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If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:47pm On Jul 06, 2015
If the Qur'an is true, then Islam is false
by Matt Slick

If the Qur'an is true, then Islam is false. Why? Because the Qur'an says to trust the Gospels, but the four Gospels contradict the Qur'an. This means the Qur'an can't be true if it says the gospel message is also true. In order to show this, I will quote several verses from the Qur'an. The more important ones are bolded for easy reference later.

1. None can change Allah's words

Surah 6:34, "Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers."

Surah 6:115, "The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfilment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all."

Surah 18:27, "And recite (and teach) what has been revealed to thee of the Book of thy Lord: none can change His Words, and none wilt thou find as a refuge other than Him."

2. Moses was given the Torah

Surah 2:87, "We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you a messenger with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay!"

Surah 3:3, "It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong)."

3. David was given the Psalms

Surah 4:163, "We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms."

4. Jesus was given the gospel

Surah 57:27, "Then, in their wake, We followed them up with (others of) Our messengers: We sent after them Jesus the son of Mary, and bestowed on him the Gospel; and We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him Compassion and Mercy. But the Monasticism which they invented for themselves, We did not prescribe for them: (We commanded) only the seeking for the Good Pleasure of Allah; but that they did not foster as they should have done. Yet We bestowed, on those among them who believed, their (due) reward, but many of them are rebellious transgressors."

5. Christians should judge by what is in the Gospel

5:47, "Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel."

6. The Qur'an confirms the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospels and guards them

Surah 5:48 To thee [the people of the gospel] We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute;"

7. Ask Christians about spiritual things

Surah 10.94, "If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt."

8. Curse on those who say God has a son

Surah 9:30, "The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!"

9. Jesus not crucified

Surah 4:157, "That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not."

Alright, so we see that...

1. None can change Allah's words (Surah 6:34; 6:115; 18:27)
2. Jesus was given the gospel by Allah (Surah 57:27)
3. The Qur'an confirms the Gospels (Surah 5:48)
4. The Gospels contradict the Qur'an

So, if the Qur'an confirms the Gospels which say that Jesus was crucified (Matthew 27:26–31; Mark 15:15–20; Luke 23:32–34; John 19:17-18), and the Qur'an says Jesus was not crucified (Surah 4:157), then the Qur'an is false. But if it says the Gospels are false, then the Qur'an denies its own teaching and Islam is false.

https://carm.org/if-the-quran-is-true-then-islam-is-false

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Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by Nobody: 1:50pm On Jul 06, 2015
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Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by powerfulsettingz: 2:00pm On Jul 06, 2015
waiting for the poster below me to start the fight first

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Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by Nobody: 2:04pm On Jul 06, 2015
No be me go start fight,the poster above tho. tongue
Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by Emmaville(m): 2:11pm On Jul 06, 2015
As in for real?
Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by ABIOLAXYZ(m): 2:49pm On Jul 06, 2015
ALLLAH IS THE GREATEST

2:75

to top
Sahih International
Do you covet [the hope, O believers], that they would believe for you while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah and then distort the Torah after they had understood it while they were knowing?

2.76
Sahih International: And when they meet those who believe, they say, "We have believed"; but when they are alone with one another, they say, "Do you talk to them about what Allah has revealed to you so they can argue with you about it before your Lord?" Then will you not reason?

2.77
Sahih International: But do they not know that Allah knows what they conceal and what they declare?


2.78
Sahih International: And among them are unlettered ones who do not know the Scripture except in wishful thinking, but they are only assuming 2.79 Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. Allah says in Quran: Curse on those who write god's scriptures by their hands .. Curse on them what they earn
O Christians, do you really edit the book of God (bible) and earn from copy rights and deserve wrath and curse of Allah?

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Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by roob: 2:55pm On Jul 06, 2015
our muslim siblings, how far nahh... are all these true?

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Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:37pm On Jul 06, 2015
jephri:

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Helloooo? smiley
Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by OJODEL10(m): 3:56pm On Jul 06, 2015
Waiting for the nairaland jihadistsmiley
Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:22pm On Jul 08, 2015
powerfulsettingz:


waiting for the poster below me to start the fight first

I am not asking for a fight all am asking is for them to tell us if they have any objection to the assertion in the OP.

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Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by Nobody: 2:34pm On Jul 08, 2015
Looool! I think we all what christians will be line by 2080. Just the dimwitted opinion of a christian apologist. The insinuation that millions leave islam is enough to tell every one the guy is a foool!

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Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:11pm On Jul 08, 2015
sportsmaster:


No be me go start fight,the poster above tho. tongue

Were you expecting a fight? cheesy
Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:31pm On Jul 08, 2015
Emmaville:


As in for real?

Na for real. cheesy
Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by Nobody: 7:18pm On Jul 08, 2015
OLAADEGBU:


Where you expecting a fight? cheesy

powerfulsettingz:
waiting for the poster below me to start the fight first
see what powerfulsettingz posted.
Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by powerfulsettingz: 7:29pm On Jul 08, 2015
sportsmaster:



see what powerfulsettingz posted.
What abt it?
Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by mustymatic(m): 7:41pm On Jul 08, 2015
ABIOLAXYZ:
ALLLAH IS THE GREATEST

2:75

to top
Sahih International
Do you covet [the hope, O believers], that they would believe for you while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah and then distort the Torah after they had understood it while they were knowing?

2.76
Sahih International: And when they meet those who believe, they say, "We have believed"; but when they are alone with one another, they say, "Do you talk to them about what Allah has revealed to you so they can argue with you about it before your Lord?" Then will you not reason?

2.77
Sahih International: But do they not know that Allah knows what they conceal and what they declare?


2.78
Sahih International: And among them are unlettered ones who do not know the Scripture except in wishful thinking, but they are only assuming 2.79 Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. Allah says in Quran: Curse on those who write god's scriptures by their hands .. Curse on them what they earn
O Christians, do you really edit the book of God (bible) and earn from copy rights and deserve wrath and curse of Allah?

May Allah bless You
most modern Christians don't even believe in Muhammad as a messenger and they keep quoting verses that says to confirm frm Gospels, indeed they edit the word of God.

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Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by Nobody: 8:19pm On Jul 08, 2015
powerfulsettingz:
What abt it?
you tok say na me go first start fight
Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by powerfulsettingz: 8:23pm On Jul 08, 2015
sportsmaster:
you tok say na me go first start fight
The last tym I met you online u picked up a fight against me
Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by Nobody: 8:47pm On Jul 08, 2015
powerfulsettingz:
The last tym I met you online u picked up a fight against me
Pics or addonblivit...
Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:19am On Jul 10, 2015
ABIOLAXYZ:


ALLLAH IS THE GREATEST

2:75

to top
Sahih International
Do you covet [the hope, O believers], that they would believe for you while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah and then distort the Torah after they had understood it while they were knowing?

2.76
Sahih International: And when they meet those who believe, they say, "We have believed"; but when they are alone with one another, they say, "Do you talk to them about what Allah has revealed to you so they can argue with you about it before your Lord?" Then will you not reason?

2.77
Sahih International: But do they not know that Allah knows what they conceal and what they declare?


2.78
Sahih International: And among them are unlettered ones who do not know the Scripture except in wishful thinking, but they are only assuming 2.79 Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. Allah says in Quran: Curse on those who write god's scriptures by their hands .. Curse on them what they earn
O Christians, do you really edit the book of God (bible) and earn from copy rights and deserve wrath and curse of Allah?

So, what's your point? undecided
Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by Nobody: 10:34am On Jul 10, 2015
OLAADEGBU:


So, what's your point? undecided

3:78

{Sahih International
And indeed, there is among them a party who alter the Scripture with their tongues so you may think it is from the Scripture, but it is not from the Scripture. And they say, "This is from Allah ," but it is not from Allah . And they speak untruth about Allah while they know.}

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Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:38am On Jul 10, 2015
ParrishNorwood:


3:78

{Sahih International
And indeed, there is among them a party who alter the Scripture with their tongues so you may think it is from the Scripture, but it is not from the Scripture. And they say, "This is from Allah ," but it is not from Allah . And they speak untruth about Allah while they know.}

Then kindly point out where the qur'an is altered in the OP.
Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by Nobody: 11:36am On Jul 10, 2015
OLAADEGBU:


Then kindly point out where the qur'an is altered in the OP.

"The text has disappeared under the interpretation.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil
Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:48am On Jul 10, 2015
ParrishNorwood:


"The text has disappeared under the interpretation.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil

What is the original text, if you insist that it has disappeared? undecided

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Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by Nobody: 11:53am On Jul 10, 2015
OLAADEGBU:


What is the original text, if you insist that it has disappeared? undecided

"There are some questions that shouldn't be asked until a person is mature enough to appreciate the answers.”

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Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:06pm On Jul 10, 2015
ParrishNorwood:


"There are some questions that shouldn't be asked until a person is mature enough to appreciate the answers.”

"The truth is always the strongest argument" - Greek proverb. wink

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Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by Rilwayne001: 3:38pm On Jul 10, 2015
[b] OLAADEGBU

What the Quran mean is that Moses, David and Jesus (peace and blessings be upon all of them) all got their individual revelations in their original form (probably meaning as an oral message). The Quran maintains that the books of the Jews and Christians have been corrupted, altered and edited over time. When the Quran talks about the Torah, Psalms and the Gospel it is speaking about the original versions revealed unto Moses, David and Jesus. It is not talking about the current Torah, Psalms and the Four Canonical Gospels we have today.

You may want to argue this, then join me here. https://www.nairaland.com/2172133/question-did-jesus-read-bible/15 "IT has often been said, that anything may be proved from the Bible, but before anything can be admitted as proved by the Bible, the Bible itself must be proved to be true; for if the Bible be not true, or the truth of it be doubtful, it ceases to have authority, and cannot be admitted as proof of anything." [/b]

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Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by Scholar8200(m): 4:25pm On Jul 10, 2015
The Gospel (Goodnews) was not 'given' to Jesus!!! The Gospel/Goodnews is all about Him!

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Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:08am On Jul 16, 2015
roob:


our muslim siblings, how far nahh... are all these true?

We are waiting for them to confirm. undecided
Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:57pm On Jul 17, 2015
mustymatic:


May Allah bless You
most modern Christians don't even believe in Muhammad as a messenger and they keep quoting verses that says to confirm frm Gospels, indeed they edit the word of God.

I have no doubt that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah and that Allah has no son. It's just that Yahweh has a Son and His name is Jesus.

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Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:07pm On Jul 17, 2015
Rilwayne001:


OLAADEGBU

What the Quran mean is that Moses, David and Jesus (peace and blessings be upon all of them) all got their individual revelations in their original form (probably meaning as an oral message). The Quran maintains that the books of the Jews and Christians have been corrupted, altered and edited over time. When the Quran talks about the Torah, Psalms and the Gospel it is speaking about the original versions revealed unto Moses, David and Jesus. It is not talking about the current Torah, Psalms and the Four Canonical Gospels we have today.

The bolded above contradicts what your Qur'an says that None can change Allah's words (Surah 6:34; 6:115; 18:27). Are you still saying Allah's words has been changed?

Rilwayne001:


You may want to argue this, then join me here. https://www.nairaland.com/2172133/question-did-jesus-read-bible/15 "IT has often been said, that anything may be proved from the Bible, but before anything can be admitted as proved by the Bible, the Bible itself must be proved to be true; for if the Bible be not true, or the truth of it be doubtful, it ceases to have authority, and cannot be admitted as proof of anything."

Surah 57:27 claims Jesus was given the gospel by Allah and Surah 5:48 states that the Qur'an confirms the Gospels. Who is saying the truth, you or the Qur'an? Make up your mind.

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Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by mustymatic(m): 9:04am On Jul 18, 2015
OLAADEGBU:


I have no doubt that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah and that Allah has no son. It's just that Yahweh has a Son and His name is Jesus.
Well... beta for you... but Jesus was Mary's son. born and fed like you were fed.

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