BreezyRita:

Please, by "Winners" I don't just mean LFC members but all Winners in life....

So as a Christian, you're welcome here.

Purpose??
I get so many revelations from God's Word I want to share but I dunno where. And I thought, why not start up a place where you can share ideas, Scriptures and build up your spiritual life with others??

I'd love us to share the things it has pleased God to reveal to us in our everyday lives. You never can tell, you may be a vessel for someone's blessing.

So we'll teach, learn, exhort, help, study, with the help of the Holy Spirit, of course. Daily.
God help us.

Cc
HFOG
Agapecharis
Okotv
Berjeria101
Alezy
Elantraceey.......

Where Tag And Ask will be our home, this will be our church!

wow....cool, I think I like this.
Following in HD.

BreezyRita:

Please, by "Winners" I don't just mean LFC members but all Winners in life....

So as a Christian, you're welcome here.

Purpose??
I get so many revelations from God's Word I want to share but I dunno where. And I thought, why not start up a place where you can share ideas, Scriptures and build up your spiritual life with others??

I'd love us to share the things it has pleased God to reveal to us in our everyday lives. You never can tell, you may be a vessel for someone's blessing.

So we'll teach, learn, exhort, help, study, with the help of the Holy Spirit, of course. Daily.
God help us.

Cc
HFOG
Agapecharis
Okotv
Berjeria101
Alezy
Elantraceey.......

Where Tag And Ask will be our home, this will be our church!

Great idea. How's your personal devotion this morning? Anything you mind to share?
Cc LordReed, Specialist900

Alezy:
Lolz. ..A real Nigerian woman ryt?? Don't turn the tables here, just help me with a reason to desist from it. smiles

Sorry for pulling you here. Just thinking this might be a better place to have this conversation. Not like I intend to answer your questions with questions I only thought maybe I should give you a chance to express yourself instead of pushing my perspective down your throat.

Alezy, I think that partying harms our walk with the Lord. Everything we do and we expose ourselves to either draws us closer to the Lord or pulls us away from Him. And partying is no exemption. You've got to consciously and critically examine functions (relationships, books, movies, music etc) before you participate or attend

Hmm....hope I would find this thread interesting.

I have tried finding a thread where spiritual discuss across denominations is the major thing. I suppose this thread serves that purpose.

HFOG:

Sorry for pulling you here. Just thinking this might be a better place to have this conversation. Not like I intend to answer your questions with questions I only thought maybe I should give you a chance to express yourself instead of pushing my perspective down your throat.

owk. ..I grab

HFOG:
Alezy, I think that partying harms our walk with the Lord. Everything we do and we expose ourselves to either draws us closer to the Lord or pulls us away from Him. And partying is no exemption. You've got to consciously and critically examine functions (relationships, books, movies, music etc) before you participate or attend

whoops...Errnmmm well dis is kind of confusing. I won't agree that partying takes us away from our walk with the Lord.
its very ok to party as a Christian, I think what u should talk about here is what kind of party/where the party at. dnt u think so??

Alezy:
whoops...Errnmmm well dis is kind of confusing. I won't agree that partying takes us away from our walk with the Lord.
its very ok to party as a Christian, I think what u should talk about here is what kind of party/where the party at. dnt u think so??

Confusing? Sorry pls. Never my intention. I'm enjoying our discuss anyway. Pls indulge my slow responses. About type and location of party...you want to get me tongue-tied, don't you? Something happens whenever I want to give Debbie water or whatever she's asking for. She ALWAYS drops whatever she's holding - no matter what it is - and grabs what I'm offering. I reflected how unlike her many of us Christians are. We want to receive what God has to offer while still holding on to the world. We attempt to be as close as possible to the world consoling ourselves that we're still within a safe boundary. Unfortunately, the two don't mix. The enemy doesn't mind the mixture I should say but from the Word we're sure that affinity with the world is enmity with God.

BreezyRita:

True.
What happens at the parties you attend??
A wedding reception is a party. So its okay to attend.
But the things that happen at parties are most times against God's Word.

Many thanks ma'am for this input. I think the guiding principle is thinking through what the aim of a gathering is and all that is involved. Some so called religious gatherings do not please the Lord either. I believe that whatever we do, we're to do to the glory of God. Because the truth is once God is not glorified, the devil is. I don't think there's a middle ground. Our lives and bodies do not belong to us any longer. Whatever we do or wherever we go that doesn't glorify God we must desist from such actions and places.
Cc Alezy

HFOG:

Confusing? Sorry pls. Never my intention. I'm enjoying our discuss anyway. Pls indulge my slow responses. About type and location of party...you want to get me tongue-tied, don't you? Something happens whenever I want to give Debbie water or whatever she's asking for. She ALWAYS drops whatever she's holding - no matter what it is - and grabs what I'm offering. I reflected how unlike her many of us Christians are. We want to receive what God has to offer while still holding on to the world. We attempt to be as close as possible to the world consoling ourselves that we're still within a safe boundary. Unfortunately, the two don't mix. The enemy doesn't mind the mixture I should say but from the Word we're sure that affinity with the world is enmity with God.

wow, this is luvly. ..I actually share same view as u and yes its very true Christians re trying to be close to the world as possible, well do I blame us for that? ? when u re not as a Christian the churchy tag becomes a name or kind of a stigma.

I just have one little concern here. sometimes it depends on what we term as worldly.

Example.... have got a cousin sister who attends MFM, she will tell you playing video games, playing any song that's not gospel, rings, chains etc are all worldly things. so how can one really cope without these things if we classify things like this that are part of our everyday lives as worldly? ?

I almost ignored this thread thinking it's for LFC members alone, of which I'm not. (I have nothing against them tho cos I have spiritual fathers from there). But I like that it's generally for everyone.

I would only like to say little about the ongoing discussion here (hope I'm permitted)?
A scripture in the bible changed my perspective about whatever activities I want to get involved in. It's 1 Cor 6:12/10:23. They say almost the same thing. I'll like you to read those verses and meditate on them. You'll realise that in as much as you have the freedom to do anything that is not wrong/not a sin, does what you're doing edify/ build you up spiritually?

Do read it first and then we can discuss more.

BreezyRita:

Well, there are a lot of things we should never be caught doing. And I'm concerned about Leviticus.
But then, we're saved by grace.
Now, that doesn't mean we should purposely live in sin because of grace.

About chains, rings, etc. I need help here. Lev 19 lists things we shouldn't do. Including wearing clothes of different kinds of material....

Brb

those re part of the law which are no more...it clearly states if u re keeping the law then keep them but if u won't then live in grace of the Lord. alot of ppl get this wrong and this is were I av problems with tithes paying in church cos it's part of the law.

HFOG:

Many thanks ma'am for this input. I think the guiding principle is thinking through what the aim of a gathering is and all that is involved. Some so called religious gatherings do not please the Lord either. I believe that whatever we do, we're to do to the glory of God. Because the truth is once God is not glorified, the devil is. I don't think there's a middle ground. Our lives and bodies do not belong to us any longer. Whatever we do or wherever we go that doesn't glorify God we must desist from such actions and places.
Cc Alezy

Our lives and bodies are owned by God. So what do we own?

Again, we say our lives are a gift from God. Meaning God gave us life as a gift. So if God gifted us a life, saying he owes us is like we're a debt onto Him.

Alezy:
those re part of the law which are no more...it clearly states if u re keeping the law then keep them but if u won't then live in grace of the Lord. alot of ppl get this wrong and this is were I av problems with tithes paying in church cos it's part of the law.

Don't you think Christians are selective?

We take on verses - especially the new testament - that favours us and leave the others - especially the old testament? Sometimes, we make reference to the old testament when it suits us?

kaboninc:


Don't you think Christians are selective?

We take on verses - especially the new testament - that favours us and leave the others - especially the old testament? Sometimes, we make reference to the old testament when it suits us?

well I do t think they (Christians) re selective in that aspect.
We are all humans. think of it, would u rather pick on a cause of negative scripture that does not really av a positive meaning to ur life at that moment than pick a positive scripture that will help u positively in all ramifications? ? that should answer ur question.

BreezyRita:
Kaboninc, are you an atheist?? Are you here to contest our beliefs??
Please , I need to know this first.

Sincerely, I thought about this too. You know I'm very wary of arguing about spiritual issues. It does no good. Many times I let it pass and simply say a word of prayer for those involved because the truth is most of what I believe today has little or nothing to do with anyone persuading me. It was a function of a personal walk with the Lord. So I know that whoever would know God flesh and blood wouldn't reveal Him to such a one.

Alezy:
wow, this is luvly. ..I actually share same view as u and yes its very true Christians re trying to be close to the world as possible, well do I blame us for that? when u re not as a Christian the churchy tag becomes a name or kind of a stigma.

haha. Who do we blame then? Satan? God? The world? Blame game would do no good to no one. We know that there will no excuse when we all stand before God. Why? Do you want more and more of God's kindness and peace? Then learn to know Him better and better. For as you know Him better He will give you, through His great power, everything you need for living a truly good life: He even shares His own glory and goodness with us! And by that same power He has given us all the other rich and wonderful blessings He promised; for instance the promise to save us from the lust and rottenness all around us and to give us His own character...For the free gift of salvation is now being offered to everyone; and along with the gift comes the realization that God wants us to turn away from godless living and sinful pleasures and to live good, God-fearing lives day after day...

*singing*
...Everyone's got a story...everyone's got a song...everyone's a little different...but we've all gone wrong...but the Saviour came...and He took the blame...and changed everything...

Ex-winners preacher here...

Alezy:
those re part of the law which are no more...it clearly states if u re keeping the law then keep them but if u won't then live in grace of the Lord. alot of ppl get this wrong and this is were I av problems with tithes paying in church cos it's part of the law.

Tithe isn't part of the law , Abraham paid tithes and that was way before the law came. You can check genesis14:18-20.

BreezyRita:
Are you an atheist? Are you here to contest our beliefs??
Please , I need to know this first.

Sweetheart, we gotta expect them here sooner or later but as you said ...we'll teach, learn, exhort, help, study, with the help of the Holy Spirit, of course. Daily.
God help us.
We must depend absolutely on Him. There will be times He'll want us to be silent. We must be sensitive else the purpose of this thread will be defeated. Just like our 'tag and ask' home, not everyone deserves an answer.

4rmGuest2Member:
I almost ignored this thread thinking it's for LFC members alone, of which I'm not. (I have nothing against them tho cos I have spiritual fathers from there). But I like that it's generally for everyone.

I would only like to say little about the ongoing discussion here (hope I'm permitted)?
A scripture in the bible changed my perspective about whatever activities I want to get involved in. It's 1 Cor 6:12/10:23. They say almost the same thing. I'll like you to read those verses and meditate on them. You'll realise that in as much as you have the freedom to do anything that is not wrong/not a sin, does what you're doing edify/ build you up spiritually?

Do read it first and then we can discuss more.

Here we go...
I can do anything I want to if Christ has not said no, but some of these things aren't good for me. Even if I'm allowed to do them, I'll refuse to if I think they might get such a grip on me that I can't easily stop when I want to. For instance, take the matter of eating. God has given us an appetite for food and stomachs to digest it. But that doesn't mean we should eat more than we need. Don't think of eating as important, because some day God will do away with both stomachs and eating.

You are certainly free to eat food offered to idols if you want to; it's not against God's laws to eat such meat, but that doesn't mean you should go ahead and do it. It maybe perfectly legal, but it may not be best and helpful. Don't think only of yourself. Try to think of the other fellow, too, and what is best for him.

HFOG:

Here we go...
I can do anything I want to if Christ has not said no, but some of these things aren't good for me. Even if I'm allowed to do them, I'll refuse to if I think they might get such a grip on me that I can't easily stop when I want to. For instance, take the matter of eating. God has given us an appetite for food and stomachs to digest it. But that doesn't mean we should eat more than we need. Don't think of eating as important, because some day God will do away with both stomachs and eating.

You are certainly free to eat food offered to idols if you want to; it's not against God's laws to eat such meat, but that doesn't mean you should go ahead and do it. It maybe perfectly legal, but it may not be best and helpful. Don't think only of yourself. Try to think of the other fellow, too, and what is best for him.

Is god love?

Alezy:

when u re not as a Christian the churchy tag becomes a name or kind of a stigma.

Stigma?
Happy are those who are persecuted because they are good, for the kingdom of heaven is theirs. When you are reviled and persecuted and lied about because you are My followers - wonderful! Be happy about it! Be very glad! For a tremendous reward awaits you up in heaven. And remember, the ancient prophets were persecuted too.
Notice the word 'when' not 'if'. A time must come in our walk with the Lord when the world would react this way to us else something's wrong somewhere. I sincerely hope I didn't misunderstand your point.:-)

HFOG is your god considered "love"?

Alezy:


I just have one little concern here. sometimes it depends on what we term as worldly.

Example.... have got a cousin sister who attends MFM, she will tell you playing video games, playing any song that's not gospel, rings, chains etc are all worldly things. so how can one really cope without these things if we classify things like this that are part of our everyday lives as worldly?

Hmm. This is a delicate spot you've touched. I'm trusting God to help me out. :-)

One, we're individuals and no two persons can have exactly the same relationship with God. God is fair, just, perfect and impartial yet He relates with us as INDIVIDUALS.

Two, each person to a large extent determines his/her relationship with God. You can go as deep as you wish. You set the limits. Let me try to illustrate this. Six friends may go to the same university, offer the same course, write the same exams but they'll never come out with the same result. Who determines their performance? Walking with God takes personal sacrifice and commitment. Not everyone is willing to do that. Why? Because we're individuals. Why? God made us so. Why? He chose to and He has every right to do what He wants to. Who are we to question Him?:-).

Three, the closer we walk with God the more we know Him. The more we know Him the less the world has a grip on us. It's futile trying to struggle not to love the world or be part of the world. Aim at walking with God like Enoch did and naturally the things of this world will grow dim.

Four, the closer we get to God the more careful we must be because much is required from whoever is given much. Reflect on God's expectation from Moses, Aaron, the Levites and the Israelites. God is a constant, we're the variables.

Alezy, thought I should break the post so it doesn't get too lengthy.

Five, we can neither be compelled to know God nor to present our bodies as living sacrifices unto Him. Even Paul simply beseeched (pleaded) with the Romans to do that even though it's our REASONABLE service.

All these imply that as I walk with God as an individual I will personally come to the persuasion that certain things or people are trying to limit my walk with Him and I'll simply give them up for His sake.

Now I don't think it would be right for me to insist that everyone walks with God exactly as I do and make the same sacrifices I make. I need to simply pray that their eyes of their understanding would be opened. I have no business criticizing them. At most I would try to exhort them to know the Lord more. Truth is, We all have ourselves to deny and our crosses to carry individually between us and the Lord.

We must however strike a balance. There are many things the Bible spells out clearly that must not be in the life of a Christian no matter the level you are in your walk with God. But how can you know what God says when you don't spend sufficient time reading and meditating on His Word? However there are other things we find the Bible is silent over. We must trust the Holy Spirit to stay within the right boundaries because we can't trust our hearts or our impulses. You know why I believe.

To me, these boundaries bother on the friends we keep, how we spend our leisure, our dressing, our speech, what we read, where we go and every part of our lives including what we think.

...Dear brothers, I plead with you to give your bodies to God. Let them be a living sacrifice, holy - the kind He can accept. When you think of what He has done for you, is this too much to ask? Don't copy the behaviours and customs of this world, but be a new and different person with a fresh newness in all you do and think. Then you will learn from your own experience how His ways will really satisfy you.

Since we have such a huge crowd of men of faith watching us from the grandstands, let us strip off anything that slows us down or holds us back, and especially those sins that wrap themselves so tightly around our feet and trip us up; and let us run with patience the particular race that God has set before us. Keep your eyes on Jesus, our leader and instructor...

kaboninc:


Our lives and bodies are owned by God. So what do we own?

Again, we say our lives are a gift from God. Meaning God gave us life as a gift. So if God gifted us a life, saying he owes us is like we're a debt onto Him.

Hmm. Sometimes I wish I had all the answers. Most times however, I'm glad and grateful I do not. I mean who wants a God that this finite mind can predict and fathom plus there will be nothing to look forward to if everything here makes perfect sense. Pls don't mistake me for a 'know-it-all'. I do not know half as much as I need to. I am saying this so you get my stance while I try to respond to you please.
I don't mean to say I am perfect. I haven't learned all I should even yet, but I keep working towards that day when I will be finally all that Christ saved me for and wants me to be...
I believe we've settled on the aforementioned. So don't expect perfect and satisfying answers always from me. I do not claim to know it all please.
*singing*
Unanswered questions at times have questioned my faith,
He says those puzzles I never could fit into place
But a voice deep within says
‘Child, trust Me and be of good cheer.’
‘Heaven waits to explain it and make it all clear.’

Heavens holds all the answers that we’ll never know till we’re there
All the reasons for all of our trials, our burdens and cares
In the presence of Jesus we’ll know and understand well
Heaven holds all the secrets that time will never tell

Doors that were unopened, storms and painful good byes,
Fill my mind with confusion, my mouth with the words
‘Dear Lord why?
But He whispers ‘My child, hold My hand and keep following Me’
‘Someday heaven will focus the picture that now you can see.’