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The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by GRACEGLORY: 4:33pm On Jul 16, 2015
Dogs have been shown to become infected by eating infected cattle (including placentas) and deer and are presumed to become infected by consuming raw meat diets, barnyard chickens, and a variety of wild animals.

Farmers with breeding cows (Dairy or Beef) should be aware of the risk of their dogs spreading Neospora caninum the most common cause of abortion in New Zealand cattle,  if the dogs are fed raw beef. Recent Argentinian research has shown conclusively that dogs can pass Neospora oocysts that are infective to cattle when eaten with pasture; and German research has shown that, as well as the disease being carried in the bovine placenta and nervous tissue, it is also found in beef muscle tissue.

Oocysts passed in the infected dog's faeces are likely to remain infective to cattle on pasture for quite some time. Once Neospora infection is established on a farm, vertical transmission from the cow to her calf via the placenta is another important way this disease is passed on. Recent research at Massey University revealed that a high percentage of New Zealand dogs have been exposed to Neospora caninum. In the 1999 calving season, almost 100% of farm dogs were sero-positive, ie had antibodies to this organism in their blood. Summary: Dogs should not be fed raw beef, or have access to aborted foetuses, dead calves, or placentas.

Information supplied by Manawatu Veterinary Services.

ttp://www.srvs.co.nz/beef-working-dogs-g-105_358_356.htmlNo Raw Beef for Working Dogs




Your dog might not be a working dog, but fact is he/she's open to carrying or hosting a virus, though, might not be harmful at the moment, but who knows what happens late?

Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by pmadise(m): 4:59pm On Jul 16, 2015
Thanks OP for the informative piece but...

1... does these risks not include all make of raw meat and not necessarily beef only?...and;

2..is there still any danger for the dog if the fetus is dried and or boiled?
Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by GRACEGLORY: 7:47pm On Jul 16, 2015
Yes sir, the risk include all raw meat.
Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by GRACEGLORY: 7:51pm On Jul 16, 2015
pmadise:
Thanks OP for the informative piece but...

1... does these risks not include all make of raw meat and not necessarily beef only?...and;

2..is there still any danger for the dog if the fetus is dried and or boiled?
You are right! Never thought that through, So, i modified. Thanks.
Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by oluomoadebayo: 8:29pm On Jul 16, 2015
I think the problem is we believe to much in anything we find online with no real life proof to support your argument. I'm 100% raw feeder and I'm only trying to teach my dogs to eat kibbles now because I'm recently not available to feed them myself and the bording guy won't do raw for me. I belongs to many groups of real time raw feeders and everyone is giving real life experience, not just an Internet gig. My simple question is this; what are they eating in the wild?

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Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by Prodeegee(m): 7:54am On Jul 17, 2015
i could say true for foetus, but raw meat? Not true
Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by oluomoadebayo: 9:55am On Jul 17, 2015
Prodeegee:
i could say true for foetus, but raw meat? Not true

The only disadvantages of foetus ate the meats are not enough and also it could cause diahrea in some cases. Dogs are equipped to handle bacteria if you just feed the raw alone without adding rice or kibbles.
Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by GRACEGLORY: 1:12pm On Jul 17, 2015
http://m.wikihow.com/Make-a-Raw-Food-Diet-for-Dogs

Understand the risks. One of the problems with feeding a raw diet is not getting the balance right. You can have too much calcium or too little. You need to offer enough variety that your dog gets the nutrients she needs. You may provide too little or too much fat. All of these actions can lead to health problems with your dog.[1]Additionally, you can cause problems if your food is infected with bacteria such as Salmonella or Listeria monocytogenes. Raw foods are more likely to contain these bacteria than dry or canned dog foods.[2]However, some raw dog food followers note that a dog's digestive system is more adept at dealing with these bacteria, as it is not as long and more acidic than ours.[3]-

[quote author=oluomoadebayo post=35942823]I think the problem is we believe to much in anything we find online with no real life proof to support your argument. I'm 100% raw feeder and I'm only trying to teach my dogs to eat kibbles now because I'm recently not available to feed them myself and the bording guy won't do raw for me. I belongs to many groups of real time raw feeders and everyone is giving real life experience, not just an Internet gig. My simple question is this; what are they eating in the wild?[/quoteA particular type of food that is espoused by few pet owners/lovers are raw foods. The believe is that raw foods are exactly what the dogs feed on in the wild. But, it is quite unfortunate that these dogs in the wild do not really live long like the domesticated ones which brings an error in the logic of "dogs feed on raw in the wild", but it is very good to consider all viewpoints on issues of this sort of importance. Based on research now as it is, there is no real evidence that there are any health benefits to feeding on raw meat. However, if you do want to give it a trail, do make sure you do your research with all clarity and do it right. Even The proponents of diets will tell you that there are great risks if you do not do it perfectly right.
Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by GRACEGLORY: 1:23pm On Jul 17, 2015
A particular type of food that is espoused by few pet owners/lovers are raw foods.The believe is that raw foods are exactly what the dogs feed on in the wild. But, it is quite unfortunate that these dogs in the wild do not really live long like the domesticated ones which brings an error in the logic of "dogs feed on raw in the wild", but it is very good to consider all viewpoints on issues of this sort of importance. Based on research now as it is, there is no real evidence that there are any health benefits to feeding on raw meat. However, if you do want to give it a trail, do make sure you do your research with all clarity and do it right. Even The proponents of diets will tell you that there are great risks if you do not do it perfectly right.

[http://m.wikihow.com/Make-a-Raw-Food-Diet-for-Dogs

Understand the risks. One of the problems with feeding a raw diet is not getting the balance right. You can have too much calcium or too little. You need to offer enough variety that your dog gets the nutrients she needs. You may provide too little or too much fat. All of these actions can lead to health problems with your dog.[1]Additionally, you can cause problems if your food is infected with bacteria such as Salmonella or Listeria monocytogenes. Raw foods are more likely to contain these bacteria than dry or canned dog foods.[2]However, some raw dog food followers note that a dog's digestive system is more adept at dealing with these bacteria, as it is not as long and more acidic than ours.[3]-

oluomoadebayo:
I think the problem is we believe to much in anything we find online with no real life proof to support your argument. I'm 100% raw feeder and I'm only trying to teach my dogs to eat kibbles now because I'm recently not available to feed them myself and the bording guy won't do raw for me. I belongs to many groups of real time raw feeders and everyone is giving real life experience, not just an Internet gig. My simple question is this; what are they eating in the wild?[/quoteA particular type of food that is espoused by few pet owners/lovers are raw foods. The believe author=oluomoadebayo post=35942823]I think the problem is we believe to much in anything we find online with no real life proof to support your argument. I'm 100% raw feeder and I'm only trying to teach my dogs to eat kibbles now because I'm recently not available to feed them myself and the bording guy won't do raw for me. I belongs to many groups of real time raw feeders and everyone is giving real life experience, not just an Internet gig. My simple question is this; what are they eating in the wild?
Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by oluomoadebayo: 1:32pm On Jul 17, 2015
GRACEGLORY:
http://m.wikihow.com/Make-a-Raw-Food-Diet-for-Dogs

Understand the risks. One of the problems with feeding a raw diet is not getting the balance right. You can have too much calcium or too little. You need to offer enough variety that your dog gets the nutrients she needs. You may provide too little or too much fat. All of these actions can lead to health problems with your dog.[1]Additionally, you can cause problems if your food is infected with bacteria such as Salmonella or Listeria monocytogenes. Raw foods are more likely to contain these bacteria than dry or canned dog foods.[2]However, some raw dog food followers note that a dog's digestive system is more adept at dealing with these bacteria, as it is not as long and more acidic than ours.[3]-


You are still quoting wiki without real life experience? What will you say to a raw feeder with 20years experience? A dog on raw will definitely outlive a kibble dog on an average.

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Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by Prodeegee(m): 7:43pm On Jul 17, 2015
oluomoadebayo:


The only disadvantages of foetus ate the meats are not enough and also it could cause diahrea in some cases. Dogs are equipped to handle bacteria if you just feed the raw alone without adding rice or kibbles.

No, I disagree bros

Foetus can be really infectious. This is from experience.

Except properly boiled, which is indeed killing most nutrients, or properly iced for a lengthy period

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Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by oluomoadebayo: 7:50pm On Jul 17, 2015
Prodeegee:


No, I disagree bros

Foetus can be really infectious. This is from experience.

Except properly boiled, which is indeed killing most nutrients, or properly iced for a lengthy period

Good luck with that but once the mother is not infected, it's perfectly safe for to feed the Foetus. Anyway I'm enjoying my stocks &tobolos

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Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by Prodeegee(m): 7:55pm On Jul 17, 2015
oluomoadebayo:


Good luck with that but once the mother is not infected, it's perfectly safe for to feed the Foetus. Anyway I'm enjoying my stocks &tobolos

You know I'm a raw feeder too, and how do you know the mother isn't infected? Pls tell me cos I'd love to know
Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by oluomoadebayo: 7:57pm On Jul 17, 2015
Prodeegee:


You know I'm a raw feeder too, and how do you know the mother isn't infected? Pls tell me cos I'd love to know

How do you know your meat you are feeding is clean?

Dogs are well equipped to handle infections from raw because it digest quickly and the enzymes can handle it very well.

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Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by Prodeegee(m): 8:09pm On Jul 17, 2015
oluomoadebayo:


How do you know your meat you are feeding is clean?

Dogs are well equipped to handle infections from raw because it digest quickly and the enzymes can handle it very well.
i hardly feed beef, and if i have to, theyre well refridgerated. I feed raw chicken. And if a car is well equipped for bad roads, does that make you drive straight into potholes?

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Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by oluomoadebayo: 8:12pm On Jul 17, 2015
Prodeegee:
i hardly feed beef, and if i have to, theyre well refridgerated. I feed raw chicken. And if a car is well equipped for bad roads, does that make you drive straight into potholes?

And I feed any available meat, chicken, Foetus beef, even pork et al. Once I'm sure the animal doesn't die of any form of sickness, I'm good to go. Foetus is good, but the only disadvantage is their is less meat on it.

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Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by GRACEGLORY: 11:16pm On Jul 17, 2015
[A particular type of food that is espoused by few pet owners/lovers are raw foods.The believe is that raw foods are exactly what the dogs feed on in the wild. But, it is quite unfortunate that these dogs in the wild do not really live long like the domesticated ones which brings an error in the logic of "dogs feed on raw in the wild", but it is very good to consider all viewpoints on issues of this sort of importance. Based on research now as it is, there is no real evidence that there are any health benefits to feeding on raw meat. However, if you do want to give it a trail, do make sure you do your research with all clarity and do it right. Even The proponents of diets will tell you that there are great risks if you do not do it perfectly right. 

author=oluomoadebayo post=35966074]

You are still quoting wiki without real life experience? What will you say to a raw feeder with 20years experience? A dog on raw will definitely outlive a kibble dog on an average.

[/quote]

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Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by GRACEGLORY: 11:20pm On Jul 17, 2015
oluomoadebayo:


Good luck with that but once the mother is nerrot infected, it's perfectly safe for to feed the Foetus. Anyway I'm enjoying my stocks &tobolos

So, how many cows are tested before slaughtering them for food, let alone knowing the foetuses are not infected. Even the cows lives in disease. Have you been to cattle ranches before in this part of the world?
Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by oluomoadebayo: 5:16am On Jul 18, 2015
GRACEGLORY:


So, how many cows are tested before slaughtering them for food, let alone knowing the foetuses are not infected. Even the cows lives in disease. Have you been to cattle ranches before in this part of the world?

Doesn't matter once it's not killed by disease.
Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by tobolos: 7:24am On Jul 18, 2015
GRACEGLORY:
Dogs have been shown to become infected by eating infected cattle (including placentas) and deer and are presumed to become infected by consuming raw meat diets, barnyard chickens, and a variety of wild animals.

Farmers with breeding cows (Dairy or Beef) should be aware of the risk of their dogs spreading Neospora caninum the most common cause of abortion in New Zealand cattle,  if the dogs are fed raw beef. Recent Argentinian research has shown conclusively that dogs can pass Neospora oocysts that are infective to cattle when eaten with pasture; and German research has shown that, as well as the disease being carried in the bovine placenta and nervous tissue, it is also found in beef muscle tissue.

Oocysts passed in the infected dog's faeces are likely to remain infective to cattle on pasture for quite some time. Once Neospora infection is established on a farm, vertical transmission from the cow to her calf via the placenta is another important way this disease is passed on. Recent research at Massey University revealed that a high percentage of New Zealand dogs have been exposed to Neospora caninum. In the 1999 calving season, almost 100% of farm dogs were sero-positive, ie had antibodies to this organism in their blood. Summary: Dogs should not be fed raw beef, or have access to aborted foetuses, dead calves, or placentas.

Information supplied by Manawatu Veterinary Services.

ttp://www.srvs.co.nz/beef-working-dogs-g-105_358_356.htmlNo Raw Beef for Working Dogs




Your dog might not be a working dog, but fact is he/she's open to carrying or hosting a virus, though, might not be harmful at the moment, but who knows what happens late?


I love to read about real time experiences which is the only best teacher and not quoting from the internet. I can quote more than 20 write-ups to support my views but I will be more realistic in my sense of judgement.

There are every pro and cons in all phase of life.But the most important part is weighing the pro over the other side.

It is bewildered to say cats in the wild(true habitat) are shortlived.These are animals who form their own govt by providing all the required basic needs.I have been to several zoos across the country that have history of dead wild animals due to human and artificial habitation.Most Animals in the forest dies at Old age except those fallen as prey or due to aggression.

All animals are created by God to be independent in their natural habitats.Domesticating of these animals brings about the extra care and attention.Worrying over vaccines,feeds,grooming,walking,whelping etc are problems we need to face as a result of CAGING.
Animals enjoys a high level of immune system when they are independent in the wild.This makes them to resist and fight parasites, viruses and other germs.
It was always amazes me seeing robust and healthy cats in the forest without the use of multivitamin sup,calcium sup,gorillamax,bullymax,cliatrix,azinthol,zerokrim,codliver oil,charmil etc.
Are there VETs and PET SHOPs in the wilderness

These animals do not only feed on fresh meats but do same on carcases of dead animals.Some even burry their prey in the ground for days just like our HUSTLING bingos.
Is the earth free of bacteria,germs

For me,I have been feeding my dogs raw foetuses for about 5 years now and no single regret ever since.
What matter most in raw feeding is getting to know the source of the meat.
I do order foetuses from a reputable sausage coy whose vets ensures that every animal slaughtered passed through due process.
Trust me,if this foetuses have the label of an american coy or even a CHINKO man,we won't even check the expiring date.
I have used our cherished OYINBO can foods in the past and I know the result I got after the drains left in my pocket.

Most problems with breeders is that we fail in carrying out a proper RCA(root cause analysis) on any misfortune that befalls our kennel.

Another issue is wrong administration and use of Vaccines.This is another topic for another day.

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Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by tobolos: 7:39am On Jul 18, 2015
We need all the raw meat feeders to come out to share their experiences.
We don't need google experiments!
No man is an island of knowledge.No man knows it all.

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Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by GRACEGLORY: 8:23am On Jul 18, 2015
A particular type of food that is espoused by few pet owners/lovers are raw foods.The believe is that raw foods are exactly what the dogs feed on in the wild. But, it is quite unfortunate that these dogs in the wild do not really live long like the domesticated ones which brings an error in the logic of "dogs feed on raw in the wild", but it is very good to consider all viewpoints on issues of this sort of importance. Based on research now as it is, there is no real evidence that there are any health benefits to feeding on raw meat. However, if you do want to give it a trail, do make sure you do your research with all clarity and do it right. Even The proponents of diets will tell you that there are great risks if you do not do it perfectly right. 

author=tobolos post=35991903]

I love to read about real time experiences which is the only best teacher and not quoting from the internet. I can quote more than 20 write-ups to support my views but I will be more realistic in my sense of judgement.

There are every pro and cons in all phase of life.But the most important part is weighing the pro over the other side.

It is bewildered to say cats in the wild(true habitat) are shortlived.These are animals who form their own govt by providing all the required basic needs.I have been to several zoos across the country that have history of dead wild animals due to human and artificial habitation.Most Animals in the forest dies at Old age except those fallen as prey or due to aggression.

All animals are created by God to be independent in their natural habitats.Domesticating of these animals brings about the extra care and attention.Worrying over vaccines,feeds,grooming,walking,whelping etc are problems we need to face as a result of CAGING.
Animals enjoys a high level of immune system when they are independent in the wild.This makes them to resist and fight parasites, viruses and other germs.
It was always amazes me seeing robust and healthy cats in the forest without the use of multivitamin sup,calcium sup,gorillamax,bullymax,cliatrix,azinthol,zerokrim,codliver oil,charmil etc.
Are there VETs and PET SHOPs in the wilderness

These animals do not only feed on fresh meats but do same on carcases of dead animals.Some even burry their prey in the ground for days just like our HUSTLING bingos.
Is the earth free of bacteria,germs

For me,I have been feeding my dogs raw foetuses for about 5 years now and no single regret ever since.
What matter most in raw feeding is getting to know the source of the meat.
I do order foetuses from a reputable sausage coy whose vets ensures that every animal slaughtered passed through due process.
Trust me,if this foetuses have the label of an american coy or even a CHINKO man,we won't even check the expiring date.
I have used our cherished OYINBO can foods in the past and I know the result I got after the drains left in my pocket.

Most problems with breeders is that we fail in carrying out a proper RCA(root cause analysis) on any misfortune that befalls our kennel.

Another issue is wrong administration and use of Vaccines.This is another topic for another day.
[/quote]
Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by tobolos: 9:17am On Jul 18, 2015
GRACEGLORY:
A particular type of food that is espoused by few pet owners/lovers are raw foods.The believe is that raw foods are exactly what the dogs feed on in the wild. But, it is quite unfortunate that these dogs in the wild do not really live long like the domesticated ones which brings an error in the logic of "dogs feed on raw in the wild", but it is very good to consider all viewpoints on issues of this sort of importance. Based on research now as it is, there is no real evidence that there are any health benefits to feeding on raw meat. However, if you do want to give it a trail, do make sure you do your research with all clarity and do it right. Even The proponents of diets will tell you that there are great risks if you do not do it perfectly right. 

author=tobolos post=35991903]

I love to read about real time experiences which is the only best teacher and not quoting from the internet. I can quote more than 20 write-ups to support my views but I will be more realistic in my sense of judgement.

There are every pro and cons in all phase of life.But the most important part is weighing the pro over the other side.

It is bewildered to say cats in the wild(true habitat) are shortlived.These are animals who form their own govt by providing all the required basic needs.I have been to several zoos across the country that have history of dead wild animals due to human and artificial habitation.Most Animals in the forest dies at Old age except those fallen as prey or due to aggression.

All animals are created by God to be independent in their natural habitats.Domesticating of these animals brings about the extra care and attention.Worrying over vaccines,feeds,grooming,walking,whelping etc are problems we need to face as a result of CAGING.
Animals enjoys a high level of immune system when they are independent in the wild.This makes them to resist and fight parasites, viruses and other germs.
It was always amazes me seeing robust and healthy cats in the forest without the use of multivitamin sup,calcium sup,gorillamax,bullymax,cliatrix,azinthol,zerokrim,codliver oil,charmil etc.
Are there VETs and PET SHOPs in the wilderness

These animals do not only feed on fresh meats but do same on carcases of dead animals.Some even burry their prey in the ground for days just like our HUSTLING bingos.
Is the earth free of bacteria,germs

For me,I have been feeding my dogs raw foetuses for about 5 years now and no single regret ever since.
What matter most in raw feeding is getting to know the source of the meat.
I do order foetuses from a reputable sausage coy whose vets ensures that every animal slaughtered passed through due process.
Trust me,if this foetuses have the label of an american coy or even a CHINKO man,we won't even check the expiring date.
I have used our cherished OYINBO can foods in the past and I know the result I got after the drains left in my pocket.

Most problems with breeders is that we fail in carrying out a proper RCA(root cause analysis) on any misfortune that befalls our kennel.

Another issue is wrong administration and use of Vaccines.This is another topic for another day.

It is a dullard that do things is same way and expect a different result.
Dogs acceptance to a particular new feeds are always gradual.if your dog don't do well on it after sometime,you need to change and move on.What is acceptable by your dog might not be accepted by mine.experiences is always the best teacher when it comes to breeding dogs and not online articles
Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by Prodeegee(m): 9:24am On Jul 18, 2015
tobolos:
We need all the raw meat feeders to come out to share their experiences.
We don't need google experiments!
No man is an island of knowledge.No man knows it all.



There's a difference between raw meat and foetus.

And for God's sake who even feeds foetus raw?
Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by oluomoadebayo: 9:30am On Jul 18, 2015
tobolos:


It is a dullard that do things is same way and expect a different result.
Dogs acceptance to a particular new feeds are always gradual.if your dog don't do well on it after sometime,you need to change and move on.What is acceptable by your dog might not be accepted by mine.experiences is always the best teacher when it comes to breeding dogs and not online articles

I stop responding to this when i have the feelings that OP is a dog lover and scholar at the same time without real life experience about dog feeding. If you feed raw for a month in a right way,you will never try kibble again. Majority of these online articles are sponsored by dog food companies. Lets share our real life experience and not online articles. I'm presently in Europe and 80% of the breeders are feeding raw food even to the nursing dams. I don't vaccinate my dogs,i don't give supplements just only food.

You can click on the link below to read from a real life raw feeder and i once be a student in one of his courses.

http://leerburg.com/feedingarawdiet.htm

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Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by Prodeegee(m): 9:34am On Jul 18, 2015
tobolos:


I love to read about real time experiences which is the only best teacher and not quoting from the internet. I can quote more than 20 write-ups to support my views but I will be more realistic in my sense of judgement.

There are every pro and cons in all phase of life.But the most important part is weighing the pro over the other side.

It is bewildered to say cats in the wild(true habitat) are shortlived.These are animals who form their own govt by providing all the required basic needs.I have been to several zoos across the country that have history of dead wild animals due to human and artificial habitation.Most Animals in the forest dies at Old age except those fallen as prey or due to aggression.

All animals are created by God to be independent in their natural habitats.Domesticating of these animals brings about the extra care and attention.Worrying over vaccines,feeds,grooming,walking,whelping etc are problems we need to face as a result of CAGING.
Animals enjoys a high level of immune system when they are independent in the wild.This makes them to resist and fight parasites, viruses and other germs.
It was always amazes me seeing robust and healthy cats in the forest without the use of multivitamin sup,calcium sup,gorillamax,bullymax,cliatrix,azinthol,zerokrim,codliver oil,charmil etc.
Are there VETs and PET SHOPs in the wilderness

These animals do not only feed on fresh meats but do same on carcases of dead animals.Some even burry their prey in the ground for days just like our HUSTLING bingos.
Is the earth free of bacteria,germs

For me,I have been feeding my dogs raw foetuses for about 5 years now and no single regret ever since.
What matter most in raw feeding is getting to know the source of the meat.
I do order foetuses from a reputable sausage coy whose vets ensures that every animal slaughtered passed through due process.
Trust me,if this foetuses have the label of an american coy or even a CHINKO man,we won't even check the expiring date.
I have used our cherished OYINBO can foods in the past and I know the result I got after the drains left in my pocket.

Most problems with breeders is that we fail in carrying out a proper RCA(root cause analysis) on any misfortune that befalls our kennel.

Another issue is wrong administration and use of Vaccines.This is another topic for another day.
You have written so much but said so little.

When you say cats in the wild, are dogs categorized as wild cats too?

And if you think keeping dogs in captivity is a problem why don't you send yours to the wild?

I wonder when people will learn. It's a pity the op doesn't have a solid source to backup or doesn't know how to defend his point.

If we feed raw beef, that's fine. But raw foetus? Like raw? Damn!
Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by tobolos: 11:16am On Jul 18, 2015
Prodeegee:

You have written so much but said so little.

When you say cats in the wild, are dogs categorized as wild cats too?

And if you think keeping dogs in captivity is a problem why don't you send yours to the wild?

I wonder when people will learn. It's a pity the op doesn't have a solid source to backup or doesn't know how to defend his point.

If we feed raw beef, that's fine. But raw foetus? Like raw? Damn!


Prodeegee or what do you call yourself?

If some dogowners and breeders have been worshiping u like a dog god,but sorry,I refuse to do the same.
I realized that most of your publications are copy and paste from online articles. I love it when people speaks from experiences and not from super story.
I know several like you who claim to know all but produces scraps underground.
Its better I toil the line of oluomoadebayo and do my thing my own way.
No one can force his or her ideology on me on this dog thing except experiences proves otherwise.
Dog owners should watch the aCceptance of every feed given to their dogs either cooked or raw,kibbles or what have you.
I always feel sorry for those who see u as a guru and swallow every vomit that comes from your mouth.
I know people like you who seek for free packages to promotes shit.
I better do things my own way and leave u with your disciples.
I would advise pet lovers on this thread to beware of unlicensed QUACKs.

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Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by oluomoadebayo: 11:27am On Jul 18, 2015
tobolos:



Prodeegee or what do you call yourself?

If some dogowners and breeders have been worshiping u like a dog god,but sorry,I refuse to do the same.
I realized that most of your publications are copy and paste from online articles. I love it when people speaks from experiences and not from super story.
I know several like you who claim to know all but produces scraps underground.
Its better I toil the line of oluomoadebayo and do my thing my own way.
No one can force his or her ideology on me on this dog thing except experiences proves otherwise.
Dog owners should watch the aCceptance of every feed given to their dogs either cooked or raw,kibbles or what have you.
I always feel sorry for those who see u as a guru and swallow every vomit that comes from your mouth.
I know people like you who seek for free packages to promotes shit.
I better do things my own way and leave u with your disciples.
I would advise pet lovers on this thread to beware of unlicensed QUACKs.

Take it easy bro, everyone is entitle to his opinion. We can only tell who cares to listen without forcing anything. All i know is that, if you can feed raw meat, you can feed foetus and if you doubt me, ask me for real life proof not wiki.
Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by Prodeegee(m): 11:38am On Jul 18, 2015
tobolos:



Prodeegee or what do you call yourself?

If some dogowners and breeders have been worshiping u like a dog god,but sorry,I refuse to do the same.
I realized that most of your publications are copy and paste from online articles. I love it when people speaks from experiences and not from super story.
I know several like you who claim to know all but produces scraps underground.
Its better I toil the line of oluomoadebayo and do my thing my own way.
No one can force his or her ideology on me on this dog thing except experiences proves otherwise.
Dog owners should watch the aCceptance of every feed given to their dogs either cooked or raw,kibbles or what have you.
I always feel sorry for those who see u as a guru and swallow every vomit that comes from your mouth.
I know people like you who seek for free packages to promotes shit.
I better do things my own way and leave u with your disciples.
I would advise pet lovers on this thread to beware of unlicensed QUACKs.
smiley what more can I say?

I just read the first line and didn't bother about the rest.
Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by tobolos: 11:55am On Jul 18, 2015
oluomoadebayo:


Take it easy bro, everyone is entitle to his opinion. We can only tell who cares to listen without forcing anything. All i know is that, if you can feed raw meat, you can feed foetus and if you doubt me, ask me for real life proof not wiki.

Bros, I'm just concerned about some novice and beginners who get these ideas forced down their throats by this so called guru.
We need to put some people in their right places.
I don't know much about dogs, but from xpeience I can put my entire money on my raw foetus feeding cos I know the source. Some are even slaughtered in my presence. I simply practice what I preach. Ask am if prodeegee Sabi the source of the chicken he feeds raw
Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by Prodeegee(m): 12:00pm On Jul 18, 2015
tobolos:


Bros, I'm just concerned about some novice and beginners who get these ideas forced down their throats by this so called guru.
We need to put some people in their right places.
I don't know much about dogs, but from xpeience I can put my entire money on my raw foetus feeding cos I know the source. Some are even slaughtered in my presence. I simply practice what I preach. Ask am if prodeegee Sabi the source of the chicken he feeds raw

smiley why do people feed foetus? Cos they don't have enough money to get beef.

I buy chicken from coldroom; thesame chicken I can eat. And lemme use chucky234's words, this your discombobulated idea of me won't take you nowhere. I could care less if you like me or not. Mr tobolos. I've got better things to worry about.
Re: The Danger Of Feeding Your Dogs Raw Meat/Foetus by oluomoadebayo: 12:09pm On Jul 18, 2015
Prodeegee:


smiley why do people feed foetus? Cos they don't have enough money to get beef.

I buy chicken from coldroom; thesame chicken I can eat. And lemme use chucky234's words, this your discombobulated idea of me won't take you nowhere. I could care less if you like me or not. Mr tobolos. I've got better things to worry about.

You are correct if you say we are trying to safe money. I even ask people around for road killed meats, expired chicken from coldroom and anytype i can lay my hands on. I have 4 dogs,each will eat 1kg of meats perday and I'm not a commercial breeder so you are correct if you think I'm going for the easy ways.

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