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Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by jiggaz(m): 12:22am On Aug 02, 2015
I really have to say dis ooo, since i started coming to the Religious section of Nairaland, i have been seeing some strange threads by people claiming they don't believe God exists & some even blaspheming against God!!! ... i was stunned!!!! To be honest!! I have never met an Atheist in real life though, most people i have met that were not Christians were either Muslims, Pagans or Hindu etc... but never an Atheist though...

So i was really stunned going through some Atheist posts here on Nairaland!!!! I was like wetin be dis? See blasphemy oo!!!! I was shocked cos i haven't really seen people talk bad about God like this... So i think, dis is a welcome to the religious section.....

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Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by winner01(m): 12:31am On Aug 02, 2015
jiggaz:
I really have to say dis ooo, since i started coming to the Religious section of Nairaland, i have been seeing some strange threads by people claiming they don't believe God exists & some even blaspheming against God!!! ... i was stunned!!!! To be honest!! I have never met an Atheist in real life though, most people i have met that were not Christians were either Muslims, Pagans or Hindu etc... but never an Atheist though...

So i was really stunned going through some Atheist posts here on Nairaland!!!! I was like wetin be dis? See blasphemy oo!!!! I was shocked cos i haven't really seen people talk bad about God like this... So i think, dis is a welcome to the religious section.....
Like you said they talk bad about God....they know he exists but hate him.

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Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by Esdb3: 12:34am On Aug 02, 2015
Just be careful they don't mislead you. They are all simply folks who didn't get the right home training, read the wrong books, arrogant, confused, seen nothing in life.

Some are just a fulfilment of the scriptures. Some are angry at fake pastors. Some want to be identified as different. Some want to be like the whites and throw away the african norm.

If you can't handle them don't engage them because if you are not a strong christian, the devil will use them against you.


One thing that should always guard and guide you is:

Religion is not logic; Logic is not Religion; You can be a bad-arse scientist and still Pastor a church.

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Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by Esdb3: 12:35am On Aug 02, 2015
Most of them are not atheists but hateists.

Some have suffered something tragic that they think God should have averted even though they never had a relationship with him.

Winner01 wetin na? Why you come steal my ftc.

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Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by Ranchhoddas: 12:36am On Aug 02, 2015
Esdb3:
Just be careful they don't mislead you. They are all simply folks who didn't get the right home training, read the wrong books, arrogant, confused, seen nothing in life.

Some are just a fulfilment of the scriptures. Some are angry at fake pastors. Some want to be identified as different. Some want to be like the whites and throw away the african norm.

If you can't handle them don't engage them because if you are not a strong christian, the devil will use them against you.


One thing that should always guard and guide you is:

Religion is not logic; Logic is not Religion; You can be a bad-arse scientist and still Pastor a church.
whatever helps you sleep at night.

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Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by Esdb3: 12:39am On Aug 02, 2015
Ranchhoddas:
whatever helps you sleep at night.
Whatever helps you feel special and intellectual.

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Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by finofaya: 12:50am On Aug 02, 2015
jiggaz:
I really have to say dis ooo, since i started coming to the Religious section of Nairaland, i have been seeing some strange threads by people claiming they don't believe God exists & some even blaspheming against God!!! ... i was stunned!!!! To be honest!! I have never met an Atheist in real life though, most people i have met that were not Christians were either Muslims, Pagans or Hindu etc... but never an Atheist though...

So i was really stunned going through some Atheist posts here on Nairaland!!!! I was like wetin be dis? See blasphemy oo!!!! I was shocked cos i haven't really seen people talk bad about God like this... So i think, dis is a welcome to the religious section.....

The idea is that religious ideas are not more special than others, such as political or social or economic ideas. If you don't like a political idea like democracy, nobody accuses you of blasphemy. It should be no different with a religious idea.

Welcome to Nairaland's religion section. Hopefully, before long, there will be a change in what you find sacred. smiley

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Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by menesheh(m): 1:13am On Aug 02, 2015
winner01:
Like you said they talk bad about God....they know he exists but hate him.


We didn't see any good rational reasons to believing such god/s exist, you said we knew he exist; me, myself typing this comment makes you demonstrably wrong, cus i didn't know he exist and don't feel the impact.

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Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by menesheh(m): 1:30am On Aug 02, 2015
finofaya:


The idea is that religious ideas are not more special than others, such as political or social or economic ideas. If you don't like a political idea like democracy, nobody accuses you of blasphemy. It should be no different with a religious idea.

Welcome to Nairaland's religion section. Hopefully, before long, there will be a change in what you find sacred. smiley


On point,

Religion occupied a lofty position in ancient times and still wanted to continue its sting up till this 21st century that we have learn alot about the earth, universe and the interactions between matter through science. Globalization and reality are stacked enermy to organized religions. We can't continue to hold such dogma which we apparently know that it is myth, illusion and man-made

The era of non-evaluation-of-claims-and-still-hold-it-as-absolute-truth has gone. Human specie have grown to the level of using scientific investigations to ascertain any ideas or claims that worth sustainability.

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Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by menesheh(m): 1:45am On Aug 02, 2015
Esdb3:
Just be careful they don't mislead you. They are all simply folks who didn't get the right home training, read the wrong books, arrogant, confused, seen nothing in life.

Some are just a fulfilment of the scriptures. Some are angry at fake pastors. Some want to be identified as different. Some want to be like the whites and throw away the african norm.

If you can't handle them don't engage them because if you are not a strong christian, the devil will use them against you.


One thing that should always guard and guide you is:

Religion is not logic; Logic is not Religion; You can be a bad-arse scientist and still Pastor a church.

Curiosity may have killed a cat or two, but intellectual complacency is killing the intellectual potential of our species.


You are dancing to the tune and pretty glad that you are holding a delusion and illusion of our stone age ancestors that know nothing about our environment, earth and universe. Obeying the dictates of ancient people less than one quarter of chromosome below present contemporary human.


Am certain you are not more religious than any atheist you see here. We are atheist because we care pretty much about whether or not what we believe is true.


Enjoy your delusion bro.

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Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by Esdb3: 1:59am On Aug 02, 2015
menesheh:


Curiosity may have killed a cat or two, but intellectual complacency is killing the intellectual potential of our species.


You are dancing to the tune and pretty glad that you are holding a delusion and illusion of our stone age ancestors that know nothing about our environment, earth and universe. Obeying the dictates of ancient people less than one quarter of chromosome below present contemporary human.


Am certain you are not more religious than any atheist you see here. We are atheist because we care pretty much about whether or not what we believe is true or not.


Enjoy your delusion bro.


So what makes you better than your ancestors? The lost morals? Men marrying men? Mtchw.

Enjoy ur logical life. We are talking abt the real world this one is talking abt ancestors. My ancestors were idolaters. I was grafted into the sonship of God's undying love and am happy. Now you can call it delusion, I have been forewarned of your type 2000 years ago.


I belittle myself replying you. You know nothing! To you magick doesn't even happen, nothing disappears, if any human gives up the ghost there must be a logical explanation. You are ignorants and my problem is you don't want to learn.

I repeat spirituality is not logic and vice-versa. Go on a spiritual journey and see who has been delusional.

Man only speaks in the abundance of what he has witnessed. You are just another successful NWO experiments so quit bugging a real human abeg. Don't reply.

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Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by menesheh(m): 2:47am On Aug 02, 2015
Esdb3:



So what makes you better than your ancestors? The lost morals? Men marrying men? Mtchw.


Gay marriage don't kill or harm you or anybody. Without appealing to your holybook and in your own mind, rationally tell me reasons why it is immoral?

Enjoy ur logical life. We are talking abt the real world this one is talking abt ancestors. My ancestors were idolaters. I was grafted into the sonship of God's undying love and am happy. Now you can call it delusion, I have been forewarned of your type 2000 years ago.

Which real world are talking about. Believing in preternatural ideas that violents the law of nature?
You have been forewarned by same ancient ancestors that you confirmed are idolaters. Whether ancient Romans, your own tribal forefathers and ancient tribe of Israel, they all are our stone age men. You may choose to cherry pick any of them. Good luck


I belittle myself replying you. You know nothing! To you magick doesn't even happen, nothing disappears, if any human gives up the ghost there must be a logical explanation. You are ignorants and my problem is you don't want to learn.

I repeat spirituality is not logic and vice-versa. Go on a spiritual journey and see who has been delusional.
Thank goodness for belittling yourself replying a minor like me. I don't claim to know but you know all. What are those things you really want to let me know that am
obstinate to. I ve been under your present situation for more than 30 years, believing in all those your spiritual mumbo jumbo but later find out that i have no rational justifications for believing those thing i use to believe anymore.

Can give me logical explanations for human give to ghost.

Man only speaks in the abundance of what he has witnessed. You are just another successful NWO experiments so quit bugging a real human abeg. Don't reply.

Rational and unbiased mind seek to find explanations to whatever thing he witnessed and didn't understand, not appealing to some sort authority through ignorance as the cause of those things. When confrontated to why you believed in those things, you may say you accepted it faith. Sure!!!

I will not be happy as you are picking up run by telling me not to reply you. I want you to tell your reasons for believing in those thing you believed. We are not quarreling, we are just sharing ideas


Cheer

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Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by JMAN05: 4:21am On Aug 02, 2015
Esdb3:
Most of them are not atheists but hateists.

Some have suffered something tragic that they think God should have averted even though they never had a relationship with him.

Winner01 wetin na? Why you come steal my ftc.

Just be careful for ur own faith. Some of them as u say are not atheists. Some go to church, read their bible and pray. Even some will call on God on a threatening situation. Some can see reasons that God exist, but may not come here to admit it cos of shame.

Some too get confused about a bible text they don't understand, as such doubt the Bible's inspiration. The fact that they doubt the xtian faith will make them think they are now atheists.

Many nigerians are hypocrits. Don't be surprised that even in their individual homes u will see a Christian sticker in there doorposts.

Some u see today as atheists can repent tomorrow and God will accept them back, and probably those they converted into atheism may have died or gone deep into sin that going back is too hard. Yes, it has happened before. There are situation where someone will initiate another into a bad course, and the initiator will repent, while the initiated died on that course. Beware! Even if u believe in God and die, and finally He does not exist, is it not better than not believing in him and finally He is imperically proven to exist? No one knows what science will be decades to come.

That some do not believe in a God is foolishness without measure, though some who had previously doubted a creator now see it is impossible for all around us to come by chance.

Some that embrace atheism are those who have had bad experiences with canterfeit xtianity. While many have asked God for something they never received, so they jump into atheism. But that is not actually a good reason. This group think that God is their slave who gives them all they want. Even Jesus was not given all he asked for.

While many, I mean many, are atheist cos when God is out of the picture, they can now jump into immorality without anyone "troubling" them with God's standards. The imperfect desire to do wrong is high, so atheism gives them certificate to indulge in ungodliness. But they think that is freedom. No, it is rather slavery. 2Pet 2:19

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Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by Esdb3: 4:24am On Aug 02, 2015
menesheh:


Gay marriage don't kill or harm you or anybody. Without appealing to your holybook and in your own mind, rationally tell me reasons why it is immoral?



Which real world are talking about. Believing in preternatural ideas that violents the law of nature?
You have been forewarned by same ancient ancestors that you confirmed are idolaters. Whether ancient Romans, your own tribal forefathers and ancient tribe of Israel, they all are our stone age men. You may choose to cherry pick any of them. Good luck



Thank goodness for belittling yourself replying a minor like me. I don't claim to know but you know all. What are those things you really want to let me know that am
obstinate to. I ve been under your present situation for more than 30 years, believing in all those your spiritual mumbo jumbo but later find out that i have no rational justifications for believing those thing i use to believe anymore.

Can give me logical explanations for human give to ghost.



Rational and unbiased mind seek to find explanations to whatever thing he witnessed and didn't understand, not appealing to some sort authority through ignorance as the cause of those things. When confrontated to why you believed in those things, you may say you accepted it faith. Sure!!!

I will not be happy as you are picking up run by telling me not to reply you. I want you to tell your reasons for believing in those thing you believed. We are not quarreling, we are just sharing ideas


Cheer

Running from who? I've just graduated above your level. I role with deep cultist and spiritualist people now. The people that matter.

You want to see the world in a new view? Join Eckankar, try money rituals or check out herbalists. Come and tell me how you view the world after.


Homosexualism is right? Science called it a freaking defect. What do we as scientists do to defects?

The sexual organs of both human sex is located infront why? Men can't procreate why? You really disappointed me by asking such a dumb question

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Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by Ranchhoddas: 4:30am On Aug 02, 2015
Esdb3:
Whatever helps you feel special and intellectual.
yeah yeah...whatever
Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by dalaman: 5:50am On Aug 02, 2015
Esdb3:




Homosexualism is right? Science called it a freaking defect. What do we as scientists do to defects?


Which scientific book, journal or body of scientist has declared homosexuality as a defect?
Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by yorubadelta(f): 6:10am On Aug 02, 2015
jiggaz:
i have been seeing some strange threads by people claiming they don't believe God exists & some even blaspheming against God!!! ... i was stunned!!!! To be honest!! I have never met an Atheist in real life


That's because in real life, most of them don't have the courage to boldly declare their Atheism (especially in a country like Nigeria )
... faceless forums like nairaland gives them the platform to air their spurned beliefs.

A fool says in his heart that there is no God.

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Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by beejaay: 6:26am On Aug 02, 2015
Esdb3:
Just be careful they don't mislead you. They are all simply folks who didn't get the right home training, read the wrong books, arrogant, confused, seen nothing in life.

Some are just a fulfilment of the scriptures. Some are angry at fake pastors. Some want to be identified as different. Some want to be like the whites and throw away the african norm.
.
so xtianity and islam is africa norms and tradition

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Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by emrain(m): 6:41am On Aug 02, 2015
jiggaz:
I really have to say dis ooo, since i started coming to the Religious section of Nairaland, i have been seeing some strange threads by people claiming they don't believe God exists & some even blaspheming against God!!! ... i was stunned!!!! To be honest!! I have never met an Atheist in real life though, most people i have met that were not Christians were either Muslims, Pagans or Hindu etc... but never an Atheist though...

So i was really stunned going through some Atheist posts here on Nairaland!!!! I was like wetin be dis? See blasphemy oo!!!! I was shocked cos i haven't really seen people talk bad about God like this... So i think, dis is a welcome to the religious section.....

Welcome to the joke section of NL...

It's a torment section for the fearful tho'
Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by menesheh(m): 7:11am On Aug 02, 2015
Esdb3:


Running from who? I've just graduated above your level. I role with deep cultist and spiritualist people now. The people that matter.

You want to see the world in a new view? Join Eckankar, try money rituals or check out herbalists. Come and tell me how you view the world after.


Homosexualism is right? Science called it a freaking defect. What do we as scientists do to defects?

The sexual organs of both human sex is located infront why? Men can't procreate why? You really disappointed me by asking such a dumb question

Am actually the one who is above you, you are still stocked with those crap i abandoned for years. I've be an eckist for 6 years, attending meetings and sasa class in Umuahia(by then they have few meeting centers even here in enugu don't have any), i ve actually been into spiritism for many years, read many magic spell books, spell binding, love rings, Indian and Egyptian bla bla. Promise of riches, touch and follow, in short the truth is that i ve been a good customer of post office and local bureau de change, sending my hard earned dollars, of which most do develop wings and fly within the post offices Arena. The interest i developed about Internet and computing is because my communications with eckankar head office in Minnesota and other spiritual organizations in india.

Those things are crap and don't matter anymore, i left my very close friend monday okolie who is bent on making it through that way and also reaching the highest point of astra travel. I tried convincing him to no avail.

So this is your reasons for telling me that you've graduated above me, because you feel inside your mind that you soul travel and always in contact with eck grand master Klemp; alright. I left those things because, it doesn't work, if you wanna see some of my previous activities, i stay in enugu, my number is 081-606-42576. I became an atheist just some two yrs ago or so, all those journeys compelled me to quit all religions and spiritualism. All those while i was into these, am still a core practicing Judaic, my father was a former Christian(catholic to Christian Sabbath) and later abhor Christian doctrine and diverted to Judaism when i was 10. We grew up as Jews.


Just an advice, apply some reasoning and test to whatever promises those groups offer, evaluate it critically then record your outcome in a book in order to arrive to your personal independent conclusion.

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Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by Esdb3: 8:05am On Aug 02, 2015
menesheh:


Am actually the one who is above you, you are still stocked with those crap i abandoned for years. I've be an eckist for 6 years, attending meetings and sasa class in Umuahia(by then they have few meeting centers even here in enugu don't have any), i ve actually been into spiritism for many years, read many magic spell books, spell binding, love rings, Indian and Egyptian bla bla. Promise of riches, touch and follow, in short the truth is that i ve been a good customer of post office and local bureau de change, sending my hard earned dollars, of which most do develop wings and fly within the post offices Arena. The interest i developed about Internet and computing is because my communications with eckankar head office in Minnesota and other spiritual organizations in india.

Those things are crap and don't matter anymore, i left my very close friend monday okolie who is bent on making it through that way and also reaching the highest point of astra travel. I tried convincing him to no avail.

So this is your reasons for telling me that you've graduated above me, because you feel inside your mind that you soul travel and always in contact with eck grand master Klemp; alright. I left those thing because, it doesn't work, if you wanna see some of my previous activities, i stay in enugu, my number is 081-606-42576. I became an atheist just some two yrs ago or so, all those journeys compelled me to quit all religions and spiritism. All those while i was into these, am a hardcore practicing judaic, my father was a former Christian(catholic to Christian sabbath) and later abhor Christian doctrine and diverted to Judaism when i was 10. We grew up as jews.


Just an advice, apply some reasoning and test to whatever promises those groups offer, evaluate it critically then record your outcome in a book in order to arrive to your personal independent conclusion.





You missed it. I asked you to try it so you'll have another view in the world. So you never finished it through?

Why are you advising me since they LOGICALLY can't happen.

I am a christian a child of God who isn't bothered by you and your kind because Y'all are a sign that the time is near.

Forgive my judgemental approach. Lemme ask first: Do you believe everything is Logical in other words scientifically explainable?
Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by Esdb3: 8:07am On Aug 02, 2015
beejaay:
so xtianity and islam is africa norms and tradition

Nope that is not what I meant. How many atheist have you seen go against orgies or homosexualism?
Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by Esdb3: 8:17am On Aug 02, 2015
dalaman:


Which scientific book, journal or body of scientist has declared homosexuality as a defect?

Use google for once.

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Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by menesheh(m): 9:03am On Aug 02, 2015
Esdb3:



Forgive my judgemental approach. Lemme ask first: Do you believe everything is Logical in other words scientifically explainable?


Yes. First of all, logic can either be deductive or inductive. Second, the tenets or philosophy of science is the idea of unbiased and critical evaluation of anything or ideas existing in the realm of space, time and matter to the best of human capability.

Any postulation or claim must follow logical and scientific methodology in order to differentiate facts from fantasies.

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Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by dalaman: 9:20am On Aug 02, 2015
Esdb3:


Use google for once.

I did and it says your assertion is false.

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Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by Esdb3: 10:19am On Aug 02, 2015
menesheh:



Yes. First of all, logic can either be deductive or inductive. Second, the tenets or philosophy of science is the idea of unbiased and critical evaluation of anything or ideas existing in the realm of space, time and matter to the best of human capability.

Any postulation or claim must follow logical and scientific methodology in order to differentiate facts from fantasies.

MUST? Is Logic the only realm of thinking on this planet?
Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by dalaman: 10:22am On Aug 02, 2015
Esdb3:


MUST? Is Logic the only realm of thinking on this planet?

Logic isn't the only realm of thinking. Your realm of thinking belongs to the mythical, superstitious and legendary realm. That is all there is to your realm of thoughts.

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Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by mmsen: 10:28am On Aug 02, 2015
We have always had atheists in society.

In the past those that asked too many questions, had doubts and challenged the religious authorities were ostracized, demonized and killed by the ignorant majority.

Thankfully those days are over in many parts of the world but there are still pockets of absolute stupidity - Pakistan, Yemen, Saudi Arabia and northern Nigeria are some such examples.

Why do such people fear knowledge? Why do they fear inquisition?

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Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by Esdb3: 10:31am On Aug 02, 2015
dalaman:


Logic isn't the realm of thinking. Your realm of thinking belongs to the mythical, superstitious and legendary realm. That is all there is to your realm of thoughts.

Tell me how rain falls in quick simple illustration. Indulge me and explain.



And I wonder who clicked like.
Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by onetrack(m): 10:35am On Aug 02, 2015
jiggaz:
! I have never met an Atheist in real life though,

Yes you have, you just don't know they were atheist. They were probably hiding that fact from everyone out of fear of being treated like dirt by Christians and Muslims. But with the anonymity of the internet, we atheists can go online and say what we really feel: that religion is rubbish, that the idea of god is useless, and that ideas of heaven and hell are childish ideas used to control people.

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Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by Eddlad: 10:54am On Aug 02, 2015
finofaya:


The idea is that religious ideas are not more special than others, such as political or social or economic ideas. If you don't like a political idea like democracy, nobody accuses you of blasphemy. It should be no different with a religious idea.

Welcome to Nairaland's religion section. Hopefully, before long, there will be a change in what you find sacred. smiley


You took the words right outta my mouth, very soon the Op will realise atheist is just another name for unbeliever.
Re: Religious Section Amazes Me!!!!!!! by Eddlad: 11:03am On Aug 02, 2015
menesheh:


Curiosity may have killed a cat or two, but intellectual complacency is killing the intellectual potential of our species.


You are dancing to the tune and pretty glad that you are holding a delusion and illusion of our stone age ancestors that know nothing about our environment, earth and universe. Obeying the dictates of ancient people less than one quarter of chromosome below present contemporary human.


Am certain you are not more religious than any atheist you see here. We are atheist because we care pretty much about whether or not what we believe is true or not.


Enjoy your delusion bro.


The enormous use of intellect and time by freethinkers has really helped, create a mobile phone today cure a cancer tomorrow.

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