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Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by MrPresident1: 6:04pm On Aug 21, 2015
Mathew 24:29-30
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


I want to break down these Bible passage.
Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by menesheh(m): 6:17pm On Aug 21, 2015
Scatter am. No shakng.
Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by gatiano(m): 6:50pm On Aug 21, 2015
beating my ceramic mud plate with my pure silver spoon.
Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by Nobody: 6:58pm On Aug 21, 2015
Space booked to correct wrong teaching on this thread.
Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by MrPresident1: 7:42pm On Aug 21, 2015
First and foremost, it is very important to bring the Bible down to 'earth'. Everything in the Bible happened here on this earth, no event happened in 'heaven' or in space, or elsewhere.

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Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by gatiano(m): 7:45pm On Aug 21, 2015
True. Except for the first few verses of the first chapter, verses 1-4.

MrPresident1:
First and foremost, it is very important to bring the Bible down to 'earth'. Everything in the Bible happened here on this earth, no event happened in 'heaven' or in space, or elsewhere.
Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by MrPresident1: 7:59pm On Aug 21, 2015
It is also important to note that the Bible is the story of a specific nation of people, before it became the story of the nations of the world, that is, there was the original tree, and there is graft. The tree and the graft is called the church.

Keep this verse in mind as we continue;

Romans 11:12
Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by MrPresident1: 8:01pm On Aug 21, 2015
gatiano:
True. Except for the first few verses of the first chapter, verses 1-4.


Trust me Gatiano, everything happened on this green earth.
Genesis 1:2 and Jeremiah 4:23

We digress, but in every great story there are sub plots, innit? cheesy
Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by gatiano(m): 8:08pm On Aug 21, 2015
innit? in nit, understood.
MrPresident1:


Trust me Gatiano, everything happened on this green earth.
Genesis 1:2 and Jeremiah 4:23

We digress, but in every great story there are sub plots, innit? cheesy
Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by MrPresident1: 8:19pm On Aug 21, 2015
Immediately after the tribulation of those days

What tribulation?
noun: tribulation; plural noun: tribulations
a cause of great trouble or suffering.
a state of great trouble or suffering.

Synonyms: Trouble, worry, anxiety, burden, cross to bear, affliction, ordeal, trial, adversity, hardship, tragedy, trauma, setback, blow, difficulty, problem, issue, bad luck, stroke of bad luck, ill fortune, mishap, misadventure, 'sufferhead'

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Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by MrPresident1: 8:37pm On Aug 21, 2015
Deuteronomy 4:30
When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
31 (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God; ) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.


Romans 11:12
Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?


Now, since we have established the meaning of tribulation, we can say that for a man to fall in life, or in business, or in family we can say that that man is in tribulation.
Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by MrPresident1: 8:41pm On Aug 21, 2015
We can say that experiences like transatlantic slave trade, Arab slave trade, colonialism, neocolonialism, Jim Crow, unfair trading practices and exploitation, racism, happening to the same people is the tribulation of those people right?

Right?

I need an answer please.

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Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by gatiano(m): 8:45pm On Aug 21, 2015
Right.
MrPresident1:
We can say that experiences like transatlantic slave trade, Arab slave trade, colonialism, neocolonialism, Jim Crow, unfair trading practices and exploitation, racism, happening to the same people is the tribulation of those people right?

Right?

I need an answer please.
Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by MrPresident1: 8:51pm On Aug 21, 2015
gatiano:
Right.

Thank you Gatiano.
Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by Kei144(m): 9:02pm On Aug 21, 2015
Professor Bill Napier, an astronomy expert at the University of Buckingham, said a strike by either an asteroid or debris from a comet could have devastating consequences.

He said: "If something like this happened, depending on where it hit it would be absolutely life-altering.

"The atmospheric chemistry would be upset by cutting out sunlight. It would be like a nuclear winter and could last for tens of thousands of years.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/507480/Asteroid-Strikes-Earth-Damage-Nasa-Destruction

Mt. 24:29 “Immediately after the distress of those days “`the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
Mt. 24:30 “At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.


https://www.nairaland.com/1879139/future-map-world/1#26327553

Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by MrPresident1: 9:04pm On Aug 21, 2015
According to Google 'Currently the smallest star we have found is called OGLE-TR-122b. This star is around 96 times more massive than Jupiter...'

Many people think that stars will literally fall on planet earth, hehehe, very funny. The smallest star is bigger than Jupiter our current 'world champion' biggest planet. The stars will not literally fall on the earth.

Keep in mind that they Bible is a highly advanced scientific book.
Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by MrPresident1: 9:11pm On Aug 21, 2015
Kei144, asteroids are not stars.

Take a seat and be ready to unlearn, learn, and re-learn.
Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by Jeromejnr(m): 9:14pm On Aug 21, 2015
We are waiting.
Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by MrPresident1: 9:17pm On Aug 21, 2015
The sun shall be darkened, the moon will not give her light

The sun, moon and stars are used figuratively in the Bible to describe wisdom, knowledge, guidance and leadership (Genesis 37:9). Darkening of the sun and the moon and falling of stars are Biblical figurative expressions that are used to describe the failure of wisdom and leadership and consequently, the periods of great stress and distress that derive from this failure.

Leadership
Genesis 37:9
And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.


Distress
Isaiah 31:10-11
10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

Ezekiel 32:7
And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light.

Joel 2:10
10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:
11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by Kei144(m): 9:26pm On Aug 21, 2015
Mt. 24:29-30 is a terrible event that will befall the world just before the return of Jesus. A very huge asteroid will hit the earth and alter the map of the world. It will be as in the days of Noah. As the Astronomy expert said in the previous post, the effect of such an asteroid collision could last for tens of thousands of years, but the return of Jesus will make the effect to go in a short while.

I saw the return of Jesus in a 1999 dream. In that dream, everywhere was dark and I saw myself squatting together with other people like me in a place. I could not see their faces well because of the darkness, but I knew that we were all great men (and possibly women) of God. There was great unease in the air because I knew that the world was in a terrible situation. Then a great white light shone in the sky. My first thought was, Is it a nuclear bomb? This was immediately followed by the thought, Is it the return of Jesus? I immediately woke up and I knew that God had shown me that I would witness the return of Jesus. I didn't like the dream then, because it implied that I would not partake in the rapture. That time, I went about preaching about rapture.

In recent years I got to know that I belong in the woman that gives birth to the Manchild of Revelation 12. The woman will raise up the sons of God that will be snatched up to heaven. She herself does not ascend to heaven with the sons of God, but when the dragon pursues her, she flies to a place prepared for her. There she will stay while the great tribulations occur on earth. There she will be when Jesus comes back to earth.

Mt. 24:21 For then there will be great distress, unequalled from the beginning of the world until now — and never to be equalled again.
Mt. 24:22 If those days had not been cut short, no-one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.

The woman is the elect of Mt. 24:22. She is the 144,000 Israelites. Her ministry begins next month, September 2015.

https://www.nairaland.com/2479332/september-2015-end-time-rumours
Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by MrPresident1: 9:34pm On Aug 21, 2015
Kei144, you have a picture, but the Bible does not tell us that an asteroid will strike the earth.
Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by Kei144(m): 9:37pm On Aug 21, 2015
MrPresident1:
Kei144, asteroids are not stars.

Take a seat and be ready to unlearn, learn, and re-learn.

Your problem, and the problem of many Christians, is that you don't know who exactly Jesus is. Jesus was a man on this earth 2,000 years ago. Apart from the anointing that was upon him, he was like every other man of his time. God gave him a revelation of the end time, and he described the revelation the way a man of his time would describe it. He saw multiple asteroids streaking in the earth's atmosphere (shooting stars) and he called them stars, just like the English called meteors "shooting stars".

You talk about unlearning, learning and relearning. You don't know who I am in terms of knowledge. When my ministry of raising up the end-time sons of God begins next month, may be you will hear about me.
Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by MrPresident1: 9:46pm On Aug 21, 2015
Kei144:


Your problem, and the problem of many Christians, is that you don't know who exactly Jesus is. Jesus was a man on this earth 2,000 years ago. Apart from the anointing that was upon him, he was like every other man of his time. God gave him a revelation of the end time, and he described the revelation the way a man of his time would describe it. He saw multiple asteroids streaking in the earth's atmosphere (shooting stars) and he called them stars, just like the English called meteors "shooting stars".

You talk about unlearning, learning and relearning. You don't know who I am in terms of knowledge. When my ministry of raising up the end-time sons of God begins next month, may be you will hear about me.

Maybe I should just tell you this, only the deep calls unto the deep. I think I know you, hehehe, looool wink

Did you read the Bible verses I cited to show the meaning of darkening sun and moon and falling stars? You need to have everything in proper perspective to be able to create the perfect picture, let the Bible interpret itself.

Isaiah 31:10-11
10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

Joel 2:10
10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:
11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by Kei144(m): 9:55pm On Aug 21, 2015
MrPresident1:
Kei144, you have a picture, but the Bible does not tell us that an asteroid will strike the earth.

Re. 8:5 Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and hurled it on the earth; and there came peals of thunder, rumblings, flashes of lightning and an earthquake.
Re. 8:6 Then the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared to sound them.
Re. 8:7 The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down upon the earth.
A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.
Re. 8:8 The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood,
Re. 8:9 a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.
Re. 8:10 The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on
the springs of water —
Re. 8:11 the name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.
Re. 8:12 The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night.

Can you see in Revelation 8 that each trumpet blow brings calamity from the sky to the earth. What do you think causes these calamities? If a huge asteroid streaks through the earth's atmosphere, close enough to the ground, but without hitting the ground, it only creates huge and terrible fire that could cover a very large geographical area. That is what happens when the first angel sounds his trumpet.

When the second angel sounds his trumpet, a huge asteroid falls into the ocean. When the third angel sounds his trumpet, an asteroid completely burns up in the atmosphere, with the release of toxic ash. In order for the description of Re. 8:12 to occur, there must be a huge asteroid collision with the earth, just like the astronomy Professor described in my earlier post. In order to understand some descriptions about end time in the Bible, you must be very knowledgeable in astronomy. God is actually an astronomical being (see Re. 4:3).
Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by MrPresident1: 10:35pm On Aug 21, 2015
Kei144:


Re. 8:5 Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and hurled it on the earth; and there came peals of thunder, rumblings, flashes of lightning and an earthquake.
Re. 8:6 Then the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared to sound them.
Re. 8:7 The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down upon the earth.
A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.
Re. 8:8 The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood,
Re. 8:9 a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.
Re. 8:10 The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on
the springs of water —
Re. 8:11 the name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.
Re. 8:12 The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night.

Can you see in Revelation 8 that each trumpet blow brings calamity from the sky to the earth. What do you think causes these calamities? If a huge asteroid streaks through the earth's atmosphere, close enough to the ground, but without hitting the ground, it only creates huge and terrible fire that could cover a very large geographical area. That is what happens when the first angel sounds his trumpet.

When the second angel sounds his trumpet, a huge asteroid falls into the ocean. When the third angel sounds his trumpet, an asteroid completely burns up in the atmosphere, with the release of toxic ash. In order for the description of Re. 8:12 to occur, there must be a huge asteroid collision with the earth, just like the astronomy Professor described in my earlier post. In order to understand some descriptions about end time in the Bible, you must be very knowledgeable in astronomy. God is actually an astronomical being (see Re. 4:3).

You are reading literal Bibles, Revelation is meant to be understood in a figurative sense, an asteroid will not hit the earth because if that happens, that is an extinction level event, God did not plan for man to go extinct.

Revelation 8 refers to how a third of the earth got corrupted, and were burnt by the heat of God's judgment.
Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by gatiano(m): 10:44pm On Aug 21, 2015
Nothing is going to happen to the earth(Planet), There will be debris coming into the earth. How will the asteroid pass the van allen belt that has locked the devils here on earth.

It is the devils wish that an asteriod should come to create a space through the van allen belt and such would not happen.
If there would be stars dropping and there would definitely be, it would be the satelites in space, the space stations.

And as the op stated, the sun, stars and the moon also mean the rulers of this world who will fall and utterly disgraced and burn, as they burn, some would be the fuel of the fire.

Op what does that eleven star bowing to one star mean?

Kei144:


Re. 8:5 Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and hurled it on the earth; and there came peals of thunder, rumblings, flashes of lightning and an earthquake.
Re. 8:6 Then the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared to sound them.
Re. 8:7 The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down upon the earth.
A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.
Re. 8:8 The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood,
Re. 8:9 a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.
Re. 8:10 The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on
the springs of water —
Re. 8:11 the name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.
Re. 8:12 The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night.

Can you see in Revelation 8 that each trumpet blow brings calamity from the sky to the earth. What do you think causes these calamities? If a huge asteroid streaks through the earth's atmosphere, close enough to the ground, but without hitting the ground, it only creates huge and terrible fire that could cover a very large geographical area. That is what happens when the first angel sounds his trumpet.

When the second angel sounds his trumpet, a huge asteroid falls into the ocean. When the third angel sounds his trumpet, an asteroid completely burns up in the atmosphere, with the release of toxic ash. In order for the description of Re. 8:12 to occur, there must be a huge asteroid collision with the earth, just like the astronomy Professor described in my earlier post. In order to understand some descriptions about end time in the Bible, you must be very knowledgeable in astronomy. God is actually an astronomical being (see Re. 4:3).
Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by MrPresident1: 8:10am On Aug 22, 2015
gatiano:
Nothing is going to happen to the earth(Planet), There will be debris coming into the earth. How will the asteroid pass the van allen belt that has locked the devils here on earth.

It is the devils wish that an asteriod should come to create a space through the van allen belt and such would not happen.
If there would be stars dropping and there would definitely be, it would be the satelites in space, the space stations.

And as the op stated, the sun, stars and the moon also mean the rulers of this world who will fall and utterly disgraced and burn, as they burn, some would be the fuel of the fire.

Op what does that eleven star bowing to one star mean?


Thank you Gatiano, only literal stars that would be falling to the earth are the satellites. cheesy

Well, according to the interpretation of the dream, Joseph's eleven brothers would bow to him, this later happened in Egypt when Joseph had become prime minister and his brothers came to him seeking food, God had promoted him, and they had no choice but to bow to him.

Do you have any esoteric connection to make of this? Share please.
Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by MrPresident1: 8:21am On Aug 22, 2015
The stars will fall from heaven the powers of the heavens shall be shaken

The Heavens mean leadership, rulership and enjoyment. Deuteronomy 11:21, Lamentation 2:1.

Falling of the stars from heaven means that the rulership (the stars) of this present world will be toppled. The shaking of the powers of the heavens is the shaking of the leadership and rulership of this world and their overthrow.
Heaven= Rulership
Stars= Rulers
Falling of stars of heaven= toppling of the rulership of heaven
Shaking of the powers of heaven= overthrow of the rulership of heaven
Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by Setaje(f): 12:57pm On Aug 22, 2015
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Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by Jeromejnr(m): 1:04pm On Aug 22, 2015
MrPresident1:


Thank you Gatiano, only literal stars that would be falling to the earth are the satellites. cheesy

Well, according to the interpretation of the dream, Joseph's eleven brothers would bow to him, this later happened in Egypt when Joseph had become prime minister and his brothers came to him seeking food, God had promoted him, and they had no choice but to bow to him.

Do you have any esoteric connection to make of this? Share please.

So how did you come about that the seats that will fall will be the satellites.

If satellites actually fall there won't be any much harm they don't really create a massive impact.

And how many satellites do we even have up there in space?.
Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by MrPresident1: 4:33pm On Aug 22, 2015
Setaje:
Continue Naaaa Mrpresident1 angry

Sorry, Angel. Apologies kiss

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Re: Complete Breakdown Of Mathew 24:29-30 by MrPresident1: 4:39pm On Aug 22, 2015
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven

The sign of the appearance of the Son of man in heaven is great stress and distress in heaven, heaven here being the leading, ruling nations of this present world, the wisdom of the world fails, the world economy crashes, political structures collapse, there is worldwide anarchy and chaos and no one knows what is coming next.

The sign of the Son of man in heaven is a complete crash of the economy of heaven and by extension, the economy of the whole world. The economy has failed, the food stores are looted, there is complete breakdown of law and order, and there is panic everywhere.

Complete breakdown!

Jeremiah 25:30-33
30 Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words, and say unto them, The LORD shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth.
31 A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth; for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations, he will plead with all flesh; he will give them that are wicked to the sword, saith the LORD.
32 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth.
33 And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.

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