MzNelly:


I've read a lot of confusing things....

joseph1832:
I see. Do you believe everything you read?.

FrancisTony:

Men do get raped just like women.

I find it "okay" if it applies to both gender but the writer seems to emphasize much on she/her/woman..

MzNelly:

No, I don't.

joseph1832:
Then why are you confuse?

MzNelly:


Never mind.

joseph1832:
I do mind. You might not know this but what you read have a very big tendency of affecting and shaping the way you think if you truly do not understand it.

Sometimes, it might completely through you of balance.

firestar:


Send me a PM.
There's a poetry class currently on WhatsApp:
Nairaland Poetry Club.

MzNelly:


Em....

Do you believe in the Bible?

HIDDENSECRECY:

Hello Miss MzNelly.

Its really nice of you to awaken your brains to the realities of life.

I share your concerns Permit me to make varying contribution to your diary.

I was also raised in the "Truth", was baptized at age 14. The only organisation where your zealousness is judged based on how much time you put in field service and your spiritual progress in I'm now a passive witness cos of the irregularities that is rife within the "JWs". I followed the Australian Royal Commission's investigation into JW's child abuse and I was shocked to my feet to see how "Elders" from "Bethel" responded to the prosecutor and Judge. The following are my own concerns:

1) Why should an Elder be deleted because the child enrolled in a University?

2)Why does "JW" condemn the United Nations to be the disgusting thing/Wild beast while they are registered NGO with UN?

3) The misuse of scripture text is common among the JW.......

dumo1:
I am a Jehovah's witness and coming from Christendom I know what it was like. I am in d truth now and I thank God for guiding my path. No regrets whatsoever. I know what MzNelly is going through but when it happens I just take 2wks off from meetings and everything but I always go back cos what u learn @ d kingdom hall no pastor will stand on a pulpit and teach u, so m always grateful for d spiritual food I receive dats why no pastor can come and tell me nonsense. The question MzNelly is now that u have left where do u go? do u stay @ home or become an atheist. That's the only question I have for u.

djoe21:


Think for themselves? It amazes me sometimes how people think that the life they own is of their making. I can understand the fact that many people now use religious means to exploit others-for even the bible forewarned us against false prophets and teachings/doctrines- but to debunk religion in it's entirety is just being ignorant. God exist! You only need to look at the designs and patterns in the universe as well as the workings of the human body to realise this. My dear life is not by chance; the unconscious cannot preceed the conscious.
Lastly, it beggers my imagination how people can scoff at the creation story of the bible-which shouldn't be read literally-but so gloriously advocate the 'Big Bang Theory'. Seriously?!

dolphinheart:


Have you found out why we(humans) grow old and die ?

InfinityEstates:
'Jehovah's witnesses belong to a cult... Jehovah's witnesses are brainwashed... Bla bla bla...' Those lines have been recurrent on this thread. But permit me to add mine.

The truth is, whether you accept it or not, whether you believe it or not, this 'cult' 'brainwash' their members to TRY to live by high moral standards in this morally debased world. They brainwash their members to TRY to live by principles as set out in the Bible so as to live better lives, to be better neighbors, to be better citizens. The word 'TRY' is highlighted, 'cos these guys are not perfect. They are bound to make mistakes, to err, hence they can only TRY, and when they do err, they are corrected.

There's a saying that, 'among every twelve, there's always a Judas'. This also applies to this 'cult'. There are bad eggs among them and these ones tend to do things that disrepute them, so I'm not surprised when some talked about having some witness friends that are worse that Maheeda. But of course, they do this secretly 'cos they know they wouldn't be allowed to be witnesses if found out.

I'm not criticizing anyone here, but if a 'cult' brainwashed you not to harm your neighbors but to be good to them, not to cause harm to yourself but to live a life that makes your family and yourself happy... A 'cult' that teaches you to be clean morally and physically, honest, truthful, kind... Those are not bad things in themselves as far as I'm concerned.

And yes, before someone asks. I'm a Jehovah's Witness. And No, I wasn't born a JW. So you should understand when I say I've gone around various religions and seen their hypocrisy. I'm not saying Jehovah's Witnesses are perfect. They are not! But as long as they continue to TRY to live by principles stated in the Bible, that's good enough for me.

Good Morning.

RomanZeus:
Lol
Former JW
Buh I'm atheist now
#religionismanmade

MzNelly:


You snubbed me.

I did everything to reach you

Now you come on this thread and talk-

I'm upset with you.

MzNelly:


JW for how long?

How long were you in the faith?

What made you swerve?

Do you truly believe there is no God?

paulGrundy:


Well, am always reachable, you can always reach me on any thread, am open.
Please don't be angry.

johnydon22:
[b]You keep making naive mistakes of which are always wrong regarding the position of atheism..

He does not believe there is no God rather he disbelieves there is..

Disbelief in a posit is not belief in the negate.... Just like that you disbelieve there is no Allah doesn't mean you believe there is no allah

It's just disbelief of the concept and disbelief is a skeptical position that requires substantiation for the concept in question.

E.g:
John: I have a diamond ball (claim)
ken: I don't believe you (disbelief... and this is not belief that john doesn't have a ball)
John: Ok here see (provides the ball, boom..proven!!)

Now Ken do not need to believe John has a diamond ball but it has been proven to be true, so Ken KNOWS and not believe)

equate that with the God claim.

Theist: I BELIEVE there is a God (claim)
atheist: I don't believe you, prove it (disbelief)

as simple as it gets..... (Belief is only applied to things you believe whether it is true or not, when something is proven it is no longer Belief but certainty **Sure**)[/b]

MzNelly:


You want God stand before you and say "I exist" for you to remove any traces of doubt from your mind?

They're tons of things you and I don't see, but we believe they exist because we feel proof of their existence.

Have you, for once, tried to search for proof of God's existence?
No, right?

And yet when I say you don't believe there is a God, you write notes to confuse yourself on your aforementioned stance.

MzNelly:


You want God stand before you and say "I exist" for you to remove any traces of doubt from your mind?

They're tons of things you and I don't see, but we believe they exist because we feel proof of their existence.

Have you, for once, tried to search for proof of God's existence?
No, right?

Lmao... i definitely have had a belief before more than you if not. . .
Faith is only required where there is no evidence, you do not need faith to know that earth is real..You are certain, sure of it, so no faith what so ever is required.

Do you have any? lets see you tender it...

And yet when I say you don't believe there is a God, you write notes to confuse yourself on your aforementioned stance.

HIDDENSECRECY:


I personally detest it when JW's call anyone with contrary opinion to theirs an "apostate".

As a JW, we don't celebrate "birthday" but celebrate "Anniversary" (e.g. wedding anniversary).

The reasoning book defined "birthday" as the "anniversary" of one's birth. OKM Aug 2014 titled "CELEBRATING 100YRS OF KINGDOM RULE"!!!

Can any JW here cite scriptural backing for anniversary celebration

MzNelly:


You want God stand before you and say "I exist" for you to remove any traces of doubt from your mind?

They're tons of things you and I don't see, but we believe they exist because we feel proof of their existence.

Have you, for once, tried to search for proof of God's existence?
No, right?

And yet when I say you don't believe there is a God, you write notes to confuse yourself on your aforementioned stance.

johnydon22:
Oh No, there should be many compelling evidences, there should be absolutely no need for belief to establish a fact, it should be based on knowledge instead. .

If any God is proven on earth, there will be no need for belief or faith, cus everyone would be sure there is and know. . So unlike you, i'd rather base my confidence on evidence, plausibilities and reason and not ancient superstitions that
needs to be believed by faith rather than certainty... If there is need to believe anything by faith, there is no reason to believe it at all. . Have you ever searched evidences to believe a flying unicorn exists? There is absolutely no evidence what so ever that's why it requires faith.

Mention them lets see if they cannot be demonstrated. .

Lmao... i definitely have had a belief before more than you if not. . .
Faith is only required where there is no evidence, you do not need faith to know that earth is real..You are certain, sure of it, so no faith what so ever is required.

Do you have any? lets see you tender it...
Actually the only difference between you and i is that you have faith in unsubstantiated claims while i don't.

Your faith in anything doesn't make anything true or even probably true. .it only means you believe it whether it is true or not..

Until any of the 5000 God concepts man has come up with through out history is proven, you will always need to believe by Faith.

Which by definition is blind because it compels you to believe that which is asserted without evidence and ensures a strong emotional conviction...and kills your ability to throw out these unsubstantiated ideas against evidence. .

Hhmm i wonder who really is confused here. .

TheDauraMallam:


MzNelly, ex JW convict here.

You've done well trying to critically think about your religious upbringing. But I fear this is the beginning of more knowledge and scrutiny to come.

The first step is to ask questions, and not follow a conclusion based on faith. I believe you are on the right part, you have tasted this and it has broaden your horizon. This is just the beginning.

i leave you with this quotes:

'Believe nothing no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and common sense.' - Buddha

'Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed.' - Friedrich Nietzsche

Reality is complicated. There is no justification for all of the hasty conclusions.” ― Hideki Yukawa

There are a lot more, but I need you to ponder on these.

And oh, you need to read a lot of books. Books to gather knowledge about how and why the world is what it is. I'm not even talking about evolution books. I'm talking History, Astrology, Ancient scrolls and all. They were written by humans like you. Don't belittle yourself.

READ and emancipate your brain from mental slavery.

I'm glad you're familiar with the concept of cognitive dissonance. Let it be your guide.

I almost got baptized at 18. Glad I didn't make that mistake.

MzNelly:


The problem with you Johnny is that you always try to rope me into an argument, even when I'm obviously not in the mood.

Seems you're lucky today. Let's argue on the existence of God.
But I beg you, be classy about it. If you run your mouth anyhow, it's over between us.

Proof of God's existence:
Life did not and cannot arise spontaneously from lifeless material. This is in complete agreement with scientific laws and experimental tests. The laws of statistics, entropy, calculations from thermodynamics and kinetics all converge on the conclusion that spontaneous generation of life cannot occur. It just does not happen.
Ever wondered why life does not exist on Mars or other planets on its own? Just like that?

TheDauraMallam:


This just got interesting. But, for obvious reasons, maybe you shouldn't start by questioning the validity of God itself.

That's like the PhD of everything. johnydon22 take it slow. Guide, don't enforce.

I've realized it's very hard for non readers (especially those that are faulty in indepedent thinking and analysis) to grab the questioning god's concept.

MzNelly, if you really want to enjoy arguments for self developing reasons. and not to rub off Sunday time, then here you go: How to Win Every Argument: The Use and Abuse of Logic by Madsen Pirie

I have the pdf version, if you care.

Or better still, here is a thread I created to simplify the basics of arguments.

https://www.nairaland.com/2506120/introduction-logical-reasoning-fallacies-all

MzNelly:


Lol, anyone who has done deep research knows there's nothing scripturally wrong with birthdays.

The problem with the Witnesses is that they are too over zealous, and want Scriptural backing on everything, even in issues that just needs their own discernment.
The worst part is that they then impose it on others, which is beyond preposterous,

MzNelly:


Sorry, are you a Muslim? Your moniker?

You believe in God? Allah?

Thanks. I'll check it out.

[s]Being a mallam does not signify having the moslem faith...[/s]

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Mallam is an honorific title given to Islamic scholars in Africa (see Mawlānā for usage and etymology).

collins123:
I went to a bookshop few months ago and someone introduced the book, The Da Vinci Code to me. Been a lover of suspense and thriller novels, I had no choice than 2 buy the book for a whopping sum of 1,500 Naira.

The crazy part of this what what the dubious book was concocted with. In it (with surprisingly believable evidences ) were references claiming these facts.

1 - That Jesus Christ was not the son of God
2 - That he had a wife ( professed to be Mary Magdalene)which he had sexual relations with and the had kids.
3 - That his heirs have lived on after his death and can be traced to France.

And a lot more others that I can't say here. After reading the whole book (which I was tempted to; mind you the story line was as hot as hell, suspense filled) I wanted to watch the movie.Well I don satisfy my curiosity and so far my conclusions are :

The 'Da Vinci Code' is an attempt by forces of evil to smear the forces of light. It is a grand plan to sow seed of doubt in uncertain minds. The tactics is to grab those who are lukewarm christian and arm them with seed of doubt thereby preventing them from reaching the light. The longer objective is to create more candidates for hell.

I have watch documentaries on Discovery Channel, National Geography, and History Channel and all revealed the conspiracy theories behind the books that led to the movies. They were all based on lies and fabrications.

The Dan Vinci Code is for agnostics, atheists, and those who don't believe in the christian faith. That book is not good for weak Christians. I need anyone who have read this book, watch the movie or willing to join this discussion.

Extensively, you can know more without buying the book by visiting : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Davinci_Code

I'd also be willing to share the DVD with anyone who wanna watch. But one word of caution : You have the right to believe what you think it is the right thing. Peace Pie