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Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by Meel: 2:14pm On Jun 03, 2018
MrBigiman:


Who is the narcissist now between me and u. U go about tagging people, yet u wish u aren't tagged. Lab science in Nigeria will suffer a major blow and I'll be more than willing analyze where u got it wrong.
I never quoted you nor mentioned you, I just cautioned a colleague about you. There is no blessed day that I will go to the health section, and not see you through jabs against other health professional especially Medical Laboratory Scientists.


And you saying that MLS will suffer a major blow, let them punch us first. Last I check , MLs started from Aimlt in Nigeria, to 4 years Bsc Mls to 5 years BMLS. And after intern ship, we start in the civil service from Level9.


But sir, how does growth of other profession affect Drs?? if cleaners decide to become doc of cleaning and clearing, how does that affect me. The sky is big to accommodate everyone , develop your own field. You don't need to look for the down fall of others before you progress.

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Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by MrBigiman: 2:26pm On Jun 03, 2018
Meel:
I never quoted you nor mentioned you, I just cautioned a colleague about you. There is no blessed day that I will go to the health section, and not see you through jabs against other health professional especially Medical Laboratory Scientists.


And you saying that MLS will suffer a major blow, let them punch us first. Last I check , MLs started from Aimlt in Nigeria, to 4 years Bsc Mls to 5 years BMLS. And after intern ship, we start in the civil service from Level9.


But sir, how does growth of other profession affect Drs?? if cleaners decide to become doc of cleaning and clearing, how does that affect me. The sky is big to accommodate everyone , develop your own field. You don't need to look for the down fall of others before you progress.

I never asked u not to grow in ur profession, but if growth mean chaos then that's cancerous growth. America is over a 100years old, but when u tell an American, I want to go see my Doctor, he knows it's a Medical Doctor. Sadly, Nigeria despite being poorly ranked in health care, wen people say I want to see a Doctor, Johesu especially the Lab Technicians/Scientist they want people to know it's not a Medic they mean.
Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by aychris: 4:04pm On Jun 03, 2018
pls wat are the course outline for medical laboratory scientist 100 level.
Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by Meel: 4:40pm On Jun 03, 2018
MrBigiman:


I never asked u not to grow in ur profession, but if growth mean chaos then that's cancerous growth. America is over a 100years old, but when u tell an American, I want to go see my Doctor, he knows it's a Medical Doctor. Sadly, Nigeria despite being poorly ranked in health care, wen people say I want to see a Doctor, Johesu especially the Lab Technicians/Scientist they want people to know it's not a Medic they mean.
CHAOS


We have so many Ph.D holders in many fields answering Dr, and patients doesn't confuse them to medics neither does it cause chaos in the society.
We have DVM( Doctor of Veterinary Medicine), do they pose as Human Dr??
Who is a Doctor??
Personal titles
Doctor (title) , the holder of an accredited academic
degree
Doctor of Medicine
Doctor of Philosophy
Doctor of Science
Doctor of Divinity
Doctor of Sacred Theology
Juris Doctor
A medical practitioner, including:
Physician
Surgeon
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor.




When you speak of quackery, it is being perpetuated by all sectors in Nigeria. We have Auxiliary nurse trained by Medical Dr, acting as Dr in there private clinics. We have chemist posing as Surgeons. Anyone doing jobs not covered by his licence is a quack, and the necessary authority should clamp them down.

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Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by MrBigiman: 4:55pm On Jun 03, 2018
Meel:

CHAOS


We have so many Ph.D holders in many fields answering Dr, and patients doesn't confuse them to medics neither does it cause chaos in the society.
We have DVM( Doctor of Veterinary Medicine), do they pose as Human Dr??
Who is a Doctor??
Personal titles
Doctor (title) , the holder of an accredited academic
degree
Doctor of Medicine
Doctor of Philosophy
Doctor of Science
Doctor of Divinity
Doctor of Sacred Theology
Juris Doctor
A medical practitioner, including:
Physician
Surgeon
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor.




When you speak of quackery, it is being perpetuated by all sectors in Nigeria. We have Auxiliary nurse trained by Medical Dr, acting as Dr in there private clinics. We have chemist posing as Surgeons. Anyone doing jobs not covered by his licence is a quack, and the necessary authority should clamp them down.

I mean in the hospital though. If u listened to radio Nigeria yesterday, u'll notice the presenter asked this question to the Johesu leaders, even the so called non medical consultants abroad don't add Drs to their name when introducing themselves, because they know it would be a distraction to patients,and they were mute.He said how would it look like when everyone in the hospital suddenly start bearing Doctor. I have no issues with ur title, however I believe if we must use certain titles, it shouldn't be in a clinical setting, as it has no impact on patient care. Kindly refer to John Hopkins Pharmacist fellowship documentary and see how the tutors introduced themselves, only the Medics introduced themselves as Doctor. It's all common sense, but when fighting a partisan fight we throw away reason.

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Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by taofeeq137(m): 5:55pm On Jun 03, 2018
aychris:
pls wat are the course outline for medical laboratory scientist 100 level.

depends on your school, but basically, maths, physics, chemistry, biology, zoology, botany, then computer, english, philiosophy might be general studies for all 100 level students
Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by Meel: 6:14pm On Jun 03, 2018
MrBigiman:


I mean in the hospital though. If u listened to radio Nigeria yesterday, u'll notice the presenter asked this question to the Johesu leaders, even the so called non medical consultants abroad don't add Drs to their name when introducing themselves, because they know it would be a distraction to patients,and they were mute.He said how would it look like when everyone in the hospital suddenly start bearing Doctor. I have no issues with ur title, however I believe if we must use certain titles, it shouldn't be in a clinical setting, as it has no impact on patient care. Kindly refer to John Hopkins Pharmacist fellowship documentary and see how the tutors introduced themselves, only the Medics introduced themselves as Doctor. It's all common sense, but when fighting a partisan fight we throw away reason.
Can you explicitly explain the chaos it will cause in the hospital??


If a patients should come to the hospital, he goes to the reception not straight to the Dr . Everyone Job is well spelt out in the hospital environment. No Lab scientists will attend to a patients that comes to him when passing by in the hospital without the scientist giving direction to appropriate place . And even in the hospital, we have G.p, and consultant in different field ( O&G, path). No patient in the hospital that needs an hematologist goes to a gynaecologist.

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Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by Skyken99(m): 7:30pm On Jun 03, 2018
@MrBigiman
Pls you are not welcomed here.
This thread is a forum for MLS And not for NMA pls.
You can go to other thread and do ur online business.

U r derailing the thread.
Strictly for Medical Laboratory scientists.
Thanks.

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Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by MrBigiman: 7:44pm On Jun 03, 2018
Skyken99:
@MrBigiman

Pls you are not welcomed here.

This thread is a forum for MLS
And not for NMA pls.

You can go to other thread and do ur online business.


U r derailing the thread.

Strictly for Medical Laboratory scientists.

Thanks.

I can ask questions and seek clarifications. We are all one Nigeria and no one should bully anyone around. God bless.
Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by Skyken99(m): 8:30pm On Jun 03, 2018
MrBigiman:


I can ask questions and seek clarifications. We are all one Nigeria and no one should bully anyone around. God bless.

Your post on page 33 at 10:42am...

Is a question, clarification or fighting against the thread(MLS) ??
Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by MrBigiman: 8:31pm On Jun 03, 2018
Skyken99:

Your post on page 33 at 10:42am...
Is a question, clarification or fighting against the thread(MLS) ??
Walk out of thread
Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by Skyken99(m): 8:35pm On Jun 03, 2018
MrBigiman:

Walk out of thread
Thanks
Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by Abdussamad98: 9:54pm On Jun 04, 2018
Skyken99:


Will this programme kick off with those presently from 400L - 100L

OR for incoming 100L next academic session?
The question I have been asking for weeks.

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Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by oyatz(m): 1:56pm On Jun 13, 2018
Your statement is false.

Biochemists, Microbiologists work in Medical laboratories.




nelszx:


Of course yes (I think it has even stopped it's now exclusive for doctors(pathologist) and Medical laboratory scientist) but not as a Medical Laboratory Scientist practitioner as you wish to be done here.

http://www.ascp.org/students

There are a thousand and one MB(ASCP) (Not anymore) and do not function as a MLS nor has ever worked in a Medical Laboratory but for academic/ specialist qualifications. No degree anywhere in the world aside MLS can work in the Medical Laboratory. You can read this if you wish to na fellow microbiologist write am.

https://www.elsevier.com/connect/the-hidden-profession-that-saves-lives
Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by nelszx: 2:59pm On Jun 13, 2018
oyatz:
Your statement is false.

Biochemists, Microbiologists work in Medical laboratories.

And who certifies them?
Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by oyatz(m): 3:14pm On Jun 13, 2018
The medical laboratory is actually a workshop and SEVERAL professionals work there, depending on the size and sophistication.





nelszx:

And who certifies them?

Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by nelszx: 3:19pm On Jun 13, 2018
oyatz:
The medical laboratory is actually a workshop and SEVERAL professionals work there, depending on the size and sophistication.

Lemme pretend and agree it's a workshop like you called it, who certifies those group you mentioned or don't you know you need certification and license to work in a "medical laboratory?

When you are talking to a learned mind make good citations and stop using Wikipedia as reference (Any Dick, Tom and Harry can put up any nonsense on Wikipedia.

Didnt they teach you in school that wiki isn't a good reference sure? Back your point with good references then we continue from there. You didn't know clinical biochemist can be a consultant in chemical pathology or a specialist scientist in chemical pathology?

Here's who and who are in the lab

https://labtestsonline.org/articles/medical-laboratory-professionals

Enjoy your day bro
Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by Timothy3113(m): 3:48pm On Jun 13, 2018
oyatz:
The medical laboratory is actually a workshop and SEVERAL professionals work there, depending on the size and sophistication.







I am not suppose to get involve in this discussion, but because these is a public forum and information posted here might be a turning point for some student career.


www.mlscn.gov.ng/mlscn-mandate/



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WHAT THE LAW STIPULATES ON THE PRACTICE OF
MEDICAL LABORATORY SCIENCE IN NIGERIA
A practitioner of the profession of Medical
Laboratory Science shall be one registered and
licensed by the Medical Laboratory Science
Council of Nigeria to practice as such as
stipulated in Act 11 of 2003 i.e. a registered and
licensed Medical Laboratory Scientist.
Such a practitioner shall obtain a license to
practice from the Council latest 31st day of
March each year.






When you speak of medical research, it is like a workshop which entails different professionals like pharmacologist, Microbiologist, virologists e.t.c. But any laboratory that involves a patient clinical investigation, it is been manned by medical Lab scientists. Because there is no room for error, and they have been certified. In the advent of malpractice, there license can be revoked and they will be made to face necessary disciplinary committee.

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Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by oyatz(m): 4:58pm On Jun 13, 2018
I don't have the time and energy to engage in unnecessary arguments.

1) In the UK ,both Biomedical scientists (MLS) and Clinical Scientists (Biochemists, Medical Microbiologists, Anatomists etc) work in Medical Laboratories and are both registered by the Health &Care Professionals Council (HCPC).
Pathologists are registered by the General Medical Council (GMC).

2) In Nigeria, the attempt by the MLS to claim the exclusive right to work in the Medical laboratory will lead to cascade of reactions that will culminate in the amendment of the MLSCN Act of 2003.





nelszx:

Lemme pretend and agree it's a workshop like you called it, who certifies those group you mentioned or don't you know you need certification and license to work in a "medical laboratory?

When you are talking to a learned mind make good citations and stop using Wikipedia as reference (Any Dick, Tom and Harry can put up any nonsense on Wikipedia.

Didnt they teach you in school that wiki isn't a good reference sure? Back your point with good references then we continue from there. You didn't know clinical biochemist can be a consultant in chemical pathology or a specialist scientist in chemical pathology?

Here's who and who are in the lab

https://labtestsonline.org/articles/medical-laboratory-professionals

Enjoy your day bro

Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by oyatz(m): 5:05pm On Jun 13, 2018
Medical laboratory is not a Nigerian creation.

Even in Nigeria, Medical Microbiologists, Physiologists, Biochemists used to undergo a two year training at the old IMLTN to be able to work in Medical laboratories but that programme was scrapped with the enactment of the MLSCN Act of 2003 but this doesn't mean it has been stopped in other Countries.




Timothy3113:



I am not suppose to get involve in this discussion, but because these is a public forum and information posted here might be a turning point for some student career.


www.mlscn.gov.ng/mlscn-mandate/



.




WHAT THE LAW STIPULATES ON THE PRACTICE OF
MEDICAL LABORATORY SCIENCE IN NIGERIA
A practitioner of the profession of Medical
Laboratory Science shall be one registered and
licensed by the Medical Laboratory Science
Council of Nigeria to practice as such as
stipulated in Act 11 of 2003 i.e. a registered and
licensed Medical Laboratory Scientist.
Such a practitioner shall obtain a license to
practice from the Council latest 31st day of
March each year.






When you speak of medical research, it is like a workshop which entails different professionals like pharmacologist, Microbiologist, virologists e.t.c. But any laboratory that involves a patient clinical investigation, it is been manned by medical Lab scientists. Because there is no room for error, and they have been certified. In the advent of malpractice, there license can be revoked and they will be made to face necessary disciplinary committee.

Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by oyatz(m): 6:09pm On Jun 13, 2018
The idea been propagated that graduates of Life sciences (Basic Medical Sciences) like Biochemistry or Medical Microbiology have no place in Medical Laboratories is a great fallacy.

They work in Medical laboratories in Developed countries.



nelszx:

Lemme pretend and agree it's a workshop like you called it, who certifies those group you mentioned or don't you know you need certification and license to work in a "medical laboratory?

When you are talking to a learned mind make good citations and stop using Wikipedia as reference (Any Dick, Tom and Harry can put up any nonsense on Wikipedia.

Didnt they teach you in school that wiki isn't a good reference sure? Back your point with good references then we continue from there. You didn't know clinical biochemist can be a consultant in chemical pathology or a specialist scientist in chemical pathology?

Here's who and who are in the lab

https://labtestsonline.org/articles/medical-laboratory-professionals

Enjoy your day bro

Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by nelszx: 8:01pm On Jun 13, 2018
oyatz:
Medical laboratory is not a Nigerian creation.

Even in Nigeria, Medical Microbiologists, Physiologists, Biochemists used to undergo a two year training at the old IMLTN to be able to work in Medical laboratories but that programme was scrapped with the enactment of the MLSCN Act of 2003 but this doesn't mean it has been stopped in other Countries.
Do you ķbow who clinical scientist are?
They are not fresh school leavers but consultants.
They are like consultant biomedical scientist (those who are specialists in infectious diseases or blood science) that are like a link between the biomedical scientist and the physician. More like the lab manager. They tell you if the patient needs more testing or ascertain if your test results are okay as all results go through them to the requesting physician. Or you didn't know a clinical scientist can be a biomedical scientist?

The UK system is so strict that you can't call yourself a "scientist if you are a graduate of any life science courses cos you'll pay a fine of £5000 for doing so.
In the medical labs in UK what we have are clinical scientists (who are consultants in various aspect of pathology), the specialist biomedical scientist, biomedical scientist, associate practitioners (intern biomedical scientists), and lab assistants. Pathologists aren't even in the labs as they operate special clinics.
The system in the UK is so strict that even if a bsc microbiology does an msc in biomedical science he cant work in the lab or can be called a biomedical scientist let alone a clinical scientist. Since they cant get jobs in hospital labs how then do you expect these set to be working in the lab.

If you know anyone practicing in the UK you can verify my claims to dispute it. Microbiologist, biochemists etc do not near a medical laboratory in the UK. You think the UK is like Nigeria, guy ehn just leave long talk. Make your findings but if you arent pleased, I'd recommend phase1 explain to this to you better.

cc: phase1
Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by nelszx: 8:02pm On Jun 13, 2018
oyatz:

The idea been propagated that graduates of Life sciences (Basic Medical Sciences) like Biochemistry or Medical Microbiology have no place in Medical Laboratories is a great fallacy.

They work in Medical laboratories in Developed countries.

Is there any degree like medical microbiology?
Don't you know the difference between pure and medical science?
Is biochemistry and microbiology medical science courses?
Oga use your head na, they are not for cramming alone.
Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by oyatz(m): 10:02pm On Jun 13, 2018
You can make your points clear without insulting others...It shows poor emotional maturity.


1) I have shown you several screenshots of Clinical Biochemists,and Clinical scientists working in hospitals in the UK and Ireland as well as what it takes to become one.

2) I never said they are fresh graduates or not.

3) In the US, the Medical laboratories are regulated by an agency, the CLIA which is not the regulatory council of any of the Medical laboratory Professionals.

4) In Nigeria, the attempt to make the Medical laboratories exclusive for one of the professionals is the major fulcrum for the crisis in the health sector and it is already generating many unintended consequences which will eventually leads to a revisit and amendments of the MLSCN Act of 2003.


5) The points of my posts is to show you that several professionals including graduates of Biochemistry and Microbiology work in Hospital Medical laboratories and even your link corroborate this assertion.






nelszx:

Is there any degree like medical microbiology?
Don't you know the difference between pure and medical science?
Is biochemistry and microbiology medical science courses?
Oga use your head na, they are not for cramming alone.

Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by oyatz(m): 10:17pm On Jun 13, 2018
Please read about the scientists training programme (STP) of the NHS in the UK.

Research very well about Medical laboratories (and who can work there) in different parts of the World.








nelszx:

Do you ķbow who clinical scientist are?
They are not fresh school leavers but consultants.
They are like consultant biomedical scientist (those who are specialists in infectious diseases or blood science) that are like a link between the biomedical scientist and the physician. More like the lab manager. They tell you if the patient needs more testing or ascertain if your test results are okay as all results go through them to the requesting physician. Or you didn't know a clinical scientist can be a biomedical scientist?

The UK system is so strict that you can't call yourself a "scientist if you are a graduate of any life science courses cos you'll pay a fine of £5000 for doing so.
In the medical labs in UK what we have are clinical scientists (who are consultants in various aspect of pathology), the specialist biomedical scientist, biomedical scientist, associate practitioners (intern biomedical scientists), and lab assistants. Pathologists aren't even in the labs as they operate special clinics.
The system in the UK is so strict that even if a bsc microbiology does an msc in biomedical science he cant work in the lab or can be called a biomedical scientist let alone a clinical scientist. Since they cant get jobs in hospital labs how then do you expect these set to be working in the lab.

If you know anyone practicing in the UK you can verify my claims to dispute it. Microbiologist, biochemists etc do not near a medical laboratory in the UK. You think the UK is like Nigeria, guy ehn just leave long talk. Make your findings but if you arent pleased, I'd recommend phase1 explain to this to you better.

cc: phase1

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Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by oyatz(m): 10:49pm On Jun 13, 2018
Always get your facts right bro.







nelszx:

Is there any degree like medical microbiology?
Don't you know the difference between pure and medical science?
Is biochemistry and microbiology medical science courses?
Oga use your head na, they are not for cramming alone.

Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by oyatz(m): 10:54pm On Jun 13, 2018
Sir, the fact that you don't know something does NOT mean it doesn't exist,so be humble and learn because assumptions can be very dangerous.





nelszx:

Is there any degree like medical microbiology?
Don't you know the difference between pure and medical science?
Is biochemistry and microbiology medical science courses?
Oga use your head na, they are not for cramming alone.

Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by nelszx: 6:05am On Jun 14, 2018
oyatz:
Sir, the fact that you don't know something does NOT mean it doesn't exist,so be humble and learn because assumptions can be very dangerous.


I don't make assumptions
You said even in Nigeria, medical microbiology graduates bla bla bla and my question goes thus is there any degree as medical microbiology in Nigeria and what school confers such degrees on the students?

Only for you to browse and show me a UK university to buttress your point for an assumption you made on Nigerian graduates.
Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by nelszx: 6:07am On Jun 14, 2018
oyatz:
Always get your facts right bro.

Of course I know there's a Msc Medical micro that's even where I'm doing my MSc in. I means a baccalaureate degree in medical microbiology in Nigeria not the UK
Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by oyatz(m): 6:37am On Jun 14, 2018
When you make mistakes, please accept it and not start shifting goal posts.
This doesn't necessarily make you a weak but a strong person.

An intelligent person doesn't necessarily mean someone who makes no mistakes but someone who learns from mistakes of himself and others.


Read my posts very well and your responses, this time slowly.


I repeat, graduates of Life sciences like Biochemistry ,Medical Microbiology, Physiology etc (after necessary PG trainings) work in Medical laboratories in several parts of the World.

The attempt to make Medical laboratories in Nigeria exclusive for MLS can't work and will backfire in the long run.

The over zealousness of some MLS through the MLSCN to even stamped Medical doctors out of Medical laboratories has led to several court cases like the N1Billion suit that Pathcare (a firm of Pathologists) slammed against the MLSCN and several other court cases going on.

They came with thugs and crowds to attempt to seal off the laboratory of a hospital in Damaturu in 2010 and they were met with 'appropriate responses'. Similar cases abound until, they were called to other.






nelszx:


I don't make assumptions
You said even in Nigeria, medical microbiology graduates bla bla bla and my question goes thus is there any degree as medical microbiology in Nigeria and what school confers such degrees on the students?

Only for you to browse and show me a UK university to buttress your point for an assumption you made on Nigerian graduates.
Re: Medical Laboratory Scientists Forum by nelszx: 6:48am On Jun 14, 2018
oyatz:
You can make your points clear without insulting others...It shows poor emotional maturity.


1) I have shown you several screenshots of Clinical Biochemists,and Clinical scientists working in hospitals in the UK and Ireland as well as what it takes to become one.

2) I never said they are fresh graduates or not.

3) In the US, the Medical laboratories are regulated by an agency, the CLIA which is not the regulatory council of any of the Medical laboratory Professionals.

4) In Nigeria, the attempt to make the Medical laboratories exclusive for one of the professionals is the major fulcrum for the crisis in the health sector and it is already generating many unintended consequences which will eventually leads to a revisit and amendments of the MLSCN Act of 2003.


5) The points of my posts is to show you that several professionals including graduates of Biochemistry and Microbiology work in Hospital Medical laboratories and even your link corroborate this assertion.

Do you know the title "scientist" in these countries are protected titles as you can be fined or sued or jailed for using it if you are not a member of the profession?

Hahaha oga calm down if you don't know what PhD scientists are ask questions. They are not graduates of any of the pure sciences but PhD holders in clinical laboratory science.

When you make your enquiries from people who have/are practicing in the UK come back and quote me. Clinical scientists (clinical biochemists) that work in the hospital lab are consultant biomedical scientist who have passed specialist phase.

Why are you having headache over a matter that is not even related to you or affecting your life. If you love us so much then do the needful and quit antagonizing.

If the act isn't revisited and amended please go and help them. Even in countries where they don't stand alone they still won't take any other graduates that isn't theirs (foreign or local).

And my point is that graduates of biochemistry and microbiology do not work in the medical laboratory in the UK because it's a strict system that do not breed quack. I have told you those who work in the medical laboratories in the UK and for the benefit of doubt I'd state them again (Make your findings):
-Clinical scientists (consultant biomedical scientist)
-Specialist biomedical scientist
-Biomedical scientists
-Associate practitioners (interns) and
-Medical laboratory assistants
-The consultant pathologist who you seldomly find in the lab cos they operate specialised clinics.

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