omonnakoda:

[s]You talk like a tout so certainly you are a tout. Naturally I can tell you are Eboe that is why you would call anyone a nobody.Scholars do not rely on abuse they rely on superior arguments. You come here CLAIMING to be this and to have done that and inviting me to show you my prick so we may compare. That is an Eboe culture I will not indulge in. If you have a strong argument you should have no need for idiotic boasts
You are the one making claims not me. You are a liar you have lied several time here already
First you misspelt pubic as public and argued blindly like a bat before blaming it on your mechanic.
All your bogus claims are of no moment. A scholar who cannot spell SCHOLASTIC or PUBIC??
Crawl back into the slimy crevice you crept out of ,empty noisemaker!![/s]

GodsMercy1:
This list is not complete without Olomu

laurel03:
Wayo people

flokii:
dem talk say urhobo people sabi play wayo... how true?

omonnakoda:


The fewer words the better ,stop the election campaign
You have not made ANY POINT

Simple question Mr Scholar

NAME who first used the word Igboid in what publication

DATE What year

How did they define the term Igboid


When people talk too much often they are lying

Answer the simple questions I asked you.

I am not interested in Your Wikipedia page.

fratermathy:


"Manfredi (1982:175-195) suggested the term ‘Igboid’ for ‘those speech forms proximate to an Igbo centre’. Manfredi (1989) used phonological innovations to arrive at sub-grouping of Igboid. The term ‘Igboid’, in turn, has been criticised in many quarters, such as Emenanjo (2001:37) who sees it as continued attempt to bulkanize the Igbo language. Egbokhare et al. (2000:40) described the Igbo speech forms as belonging to an Igbo cluster." as quoted by Ohiri-Anichie(2011)

Manfredi, V. 1982. Centre and periphery in Ika Literacy. Journal of the Linguistic Association of Nigeria, Volume 1. pp. 175-195.
Manfredi, V. 1989. Igboid in Bendor-Samuel, J. (ed.). The Niger-Congo languages.



Meanwhile I gave you my name because you doubted my research pedigree. Keep your invectives in your tongue.

omonnakoda:
The reason why I always disgree with Afam is he suffers from the affliction of being unable to distinguish desire from reality

The term Igboid means what it means not what you want it to mean or what you believe it should mean

It was introduced to the best of my knowledge by Kay Williamson a linguistic scholar whose concern was linguistics NOT uniting people.

Her purpose was to describe things as they are in very much the same way a botanist or zoologist would.
So we cannot say a bat is a bird because it flies or a turtle is a fish because it swims.
Logic does not allow that.
Igboid means one thing and one thing only it is a linguistic classification.

To illustrate I will give one example.

English is a "Germanic" language by linguistic classification. This means English along with Deutsche, Netherlands and other languages have the same origin . It does not say anything else and even less about the PEOPLE

Bringing this back to Igboid.
There is no dispute that Ikwerre,and other Igbo languages have the same origin or origins or even that igboid languages have a similar origin to NON_-Igboid languages in Nigeria and Cameroon. It is illogical to imagine otherwise .

However The term Igboid was introduced somewhere by someone for some reason. It was an academic enterprise in the arena of LINGUISTICS and not culture or history to twist that usage to something else is dishonest.
The reality is the term has limited utility outside linguistics no more than a computer language does for speaking to computers. To try to remove the term from that context and then to extend its use for historical or anthropological validation is dishonest.

In all reality it is a very technical term that has no place in civilian conversation because its original meaning is distorted
It is a descriptive just like we call a lion a cat it does not tell us anything about the biology of lions and cats.

I have no doubt there were big enough sublanguages which if they had been if the forefront of contact with Europeans would have been used and so we may have been talking of Ngwaoid, Arooid or Ezzioid.etc

fratermathy:


@ omonnakoda: You can sight a mechanical error and cannot construct syntactically correct utterances.

It is alright Mr Igboid Ikwerre! I guess your tribalistic sentiments have made you famous now. Write an article on this (a scholarly one) and send to my journal here: okjournals.org and I may consider it for publication.

4C2215131:


The beauty of your work should not be sullied by your pandering to rabble rousers as I can see that you're getting worked up (naturally so). Your antagonist is not attacking your arguments but taking jabs at your psyche to wear you down.

Should you resort to shot slinging in a manner he has espoused you may cast yourself in unfavourable light. So let it be. Each his to his own. No research is all conclusive. With the light of new evidence additions and subtractions are made. Hence your detractors should understand that your stand is not infallible and as such act accordingly rather than getting all riled up.

fratermathy:


Thank you for your "elderly" advice. I appreciate I actually regret belittling myself by this guy's attack on my psyche.

Goodboiyy:
Op I took my time to read your post.. Kudos.. but lemme correct some error there.. Uvwie is not considered Impure. The uvwie dialect is just deep.. And its a combination of all Urhobo dialect (Okpe, Agbon, Ughelli e.t.c).

Secondly using the case of Okpe to compare Ikwere. is wrong. from tym immemorial The Okpe are considered One of they key branch of Urhobo... You can Use Isoko-Urhobo Relationship to Compare Ikwere. And Okpe re not close to Edo as you stated above (wondering if you have seen any1 speaking that dialect) Okpe is a collection of Urhobo dialect and mostly from Isoko so what's the relationship with Edo more than Urhobo Here ?.. Am nt trying to say we re nt Edoid but just making some correction to your post.

You are complaining that Uvwie is impure then listen To Deep Udu or the Urhobo from bayelsa, U won't understand anything...

Good writeup. . So happy seeing post like this.. Seun pls help promote the awareness of our people..

Fratermathy thumbs up..

God bless the Urhobo Nation

Pls if you are from Urhobo/Itsekiri let's promote this thread so it can HIT FP like this 1

Some Things To Note About Urhobo And Itsekiri

psalmizt:


I do not consider isoko as being an Urhobo clan... Yes we must have emerged from them, we are considerably different front Urhobo. I can barely hear Urhobo not to talk of hearing. Eme wo be wolo dede? Hehehehehe good job. Followin this thread right away

prisiluv:
Realy ,Cool! Both my parents re 4rm Aragba-orogun nd we spk kwale nt urhobo.i only knw migwo nd oghene in urhobo .tis rili nice 2meet u here.D only chief I knw, is D Onotuku(pardon my spelln)dnt mind me.dnt go hme much..

LKO:


Nice reading from u. Where are u from?

psalmizt:


I do not consider isoko as being an Urhobo clan... Yes we must have emerged from them, we are considerably different front Urhobo . I can barely hear Urhobo not to talk of hearing. Eme wo be wolo dede? Hehehehehe good job. Followin this thread right away

fratermathy:


Every tribe on the face of earth has people with inclinations to scamming others. Urhobo is not unique. 90% of scammers and so-called "wayorists" in Nigeria are not even Urhobos.

kkon:
hmmm dats nice my grandad's name is achugbe he is olorogun in that town. Nice to meet u. And pls visit ur village so that u get more acquainted with ur culture. Lol. Besides did u see ogborugbo the last time u went to the villa.. lol that iguana scared the shit outta me the first time..

prisiluv:
hehe...yea I did! Inside my great grand father's house...lol...I ran up D stairs nd refused 2com down....dey say it does'nt hurt..Yea right! tell dat 2my adrenaline...I ran lyk hell...dey say its dier father M scared of it o..

fratermathy:



So you are an urhobo girl from an urhobo community that speaks Ukwuani?

I never knew arhagba-orogun people don't speak Urhobo. Nice! Do you have an Urhobo or an Ukwuani name?

Ufuos4Love:
But OP it's we note these observations. 1. Effurun-Otor(Ephron-Otor) and Olomu in not in Ughievwen, they are separate Urhobo kingdoms or clans among the 22 total with their own dialects. 2. Enerhen is an Udu community which speak Udu dialect but are in Uvwie L.G for administrative proposes(maybe due to boundary adjustment) 3. Abeg no Urhobo dialect is 'impure' jst that some are more largely spoken, stronger and tonal than others and Ughievwen is not an exception. Ughievwen is my mother tongue though I'm paternally from Ughelli and speak Ughelli dialect quite alright, i love Ughievwen/Udu dialect maybe 'coz i was raised with it... It's so so melodious however i agree it's quite conc. Or technical if u like. Oghene bruphiyo kewe kirobo wo kpa''Urhobo kpenu(God bless you as you promote Urhobo culture).

Ufuos4Love:
I'm sorry if poking my nose but i have to say this. It's common knowledge in Urhoboland that Orogun people are generally bilingual- speaking Urhobo and Ukwani due to some understandable factors.. 1. Orogun people are paternally from Ukwani(Orogun is the daughter of the great Urhobo patriarch Oghwoghwa, the last of 4 children- Ogor, Ughelli, Agbarha and Orogun). 2. Orogun territory also shares geographical boundaries with Ukwani hence cultural mix. NB: they are fully Urhobo people and recognise themselves as such.... Wadoo.

fratermathy:


I know this but I became surprised when she said the whole community speaks Ukwuani. I was under the notion that they speak both languages but she hinted that those in Arhagba-Orogun can speak only Ukwuani.

fratermathy:



Okoh! Me nyobo wvo' tare! Oyoma. Oghene kaji bruphiyo vwo kevwe! Ise!!!

Goodboiyy:


Hehehe hw re they different oniovo ?.. Even in Urhobo I don't understand Some dialect in it.. PS: Me'r omo Urhobo Den.

So your inability for you not to understand Some part of our language doesn't make you different from us, You even Understand Okpe more than some Urhobo.. well I respect your decision on this matter.. but pls note...

Urhobo vi Isoko Ovuo'vor

fratermathy:



So you are an urhobo girl from an urhobo community that speaks Ukwuani?

I never knew arhagba-orogun people don't speak Urhobo. Nice! Do you have an Urhobo or an Ukwuani name?

prisiluv:
hmmm,please I was talking about my family . Aragba pple speak urhobo too...bt more ukwani.most of dier streets av ukwani names..my surname nd native name re both ukwani.my family is known as umu-echi...we speak urhobo very well in my village.bt more kwale.our chieftaincy titles re given in urhobo language.our culture nd traditions 100% urhobo.jst D bilingual thingy....quite unique!

scholes0:


I think isoko should be an Urhobo dialect.
let's not deceive ourselves here

darfay:


I know u are very vast in stuffs lyk dis buh u got this wan wrong. Isoko is a language of it's own with various dialects. The Isoko language is older Dan the urhobo language with Erowha(in Isoko) being the oldest clan in Isoko and urhobo land. many of the urhobo clans(okpe,evrheni,uvwie,udU,orogun etc) migrated from Isoko land

But beyond dis Isoko and urhobo are wan people with different LANGUGES.

fratermathy:



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