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Moscow:uk Should Explain Permission To Shoot Down Russia Planes Over Iraq by NairaMinted: 1:58pm On Oct 11, 2015
All I can say is.....hhhmmmm


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The Russian Embassy in London has requested the UK Foreign Office's clarifications on media reports of the alleged British leadership's decision to enable UK pilots participating in anti-ISIL coalition's airstrikes to shoot down Russian planes over Iraq.

Earlier, a UK defense source told the Daily Star Sunday tabloid that British and NATO pilots reportedly had been given a clearance to shoot down Russian jets over Iraq.

UK defense sources stressed that RAF pilots have been told to avoid contact with Russian jets "at all costs," but warned the pilots must be prepared to attack Russian jets "if their lives depend on it."

"We are concerned by media reports as far as they refer to senior members of the Cabinet. We urgently requested UK Foreign Office's clarifications. At the same time, the hypothesis itself of a potential conflict between British and Russian aircraft in the skies over Iraq is incomprehensible. As it is known, the Russian jets are not involved in attacks on ISIL targets on its [Iraqi] territory", Russian Ambassador in the UK Alexander Yakovenko told RIA Novosti.

Russia launched precision airstrikes against Islamic State targets in Syria last week at the request of Syrian President Bashar Assad. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Moscow had not received any requests from Baghdad to carry out airstrikes against ISIL targets in Iraq.

The Royal Air Force’s (RAF) Tornado combat aircraft are said to be equipped with up to four Advanced Short Range Air-to-Air Missiles (ASRAAM) to shoot down a Russian jet they encounter. The 2,300-miles-per-hour missiles with warheads filled with 22 pounds of high explosive lock onto targets using an infrared heat-seeker.

British Defense Secretary Michael Fallon said earlier he was seeking to extend RAF’s anti-ISIL efforts in Iraq to Syria.

A US-led coalition of 60 nations has been conducting anti-ISIL airstrikes in Iraq and Syria for over a year, bypassing the UN Security Council’s and Assad's approval.

Yakovenko also said that British aircraft were not involved in the coalition strikes against ISIL in Syria.

"As for the joint struggle against the Islamic State, we have not received an official response to our request concerning information the British side has on ISIL's infrastructure targets, which could be used by the Russian Air Force," the ambassador added.
Re: Moscow:uk Should Explain Permission To Shoot Down Russia Planes Over Iraq by Appleyard(m): 2:54pm On Oct 11, 2015
My God! Has madness actually taken over in the Upper echelon of leadership? If this news to shoot down Russian Pilots is true, it means the West/the UK is actually preparing for a hot war with Russia. And if the Royal Airforce thinks it can actually shoot down Russian planes and expect nothing to happen, it means sanity accross the western hemisphere has disappeared from their sense of reasoning; and i can assure you that the RAF would then become a "Regeretable Air Force ".

I want to beilieve they are joking!

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Re: Moscow:uk Should Explain Permission To Shoot Down Russia Planes Over Iraq by Sveen: 4:49pm On Oct 11, 2015
Bring it on raccoons, Russia is very accommodating.

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Re: Moscow:uk Should Explain Permission To Shoot Down Russia Planes Over Iraq by BALLOSKI: 7:40pm On Oct 11, 2015
Touch not thou Russian birds that hovereth or flyeth Damascus and Mesopotamia sky, cos you will all be destroyed by Generalismo Putin.



Wetin these fear fear British De try do? Putin is out to act and not talk. Be warned!

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Re: Moscow:uk Should Explain Permission To Shoot Down Russia Planes Over Iraq by BALLOSKI: 7:43pm On Oct 11, 2015
Appleyard:
My God! Has madness actually taken over in the Upper echelon of leadership? If this news to shoot down Russian Pilots is true, it means the West/the UK is actually preparing for a hot war with Russia. And if the Royal Airforce thinks it can actually shoot down Russian planes and expect nothing to happen, it means sanity accross the western hemisphere has disappeared from their sense of reasoning; and i can assure you that the RAF would then become a "Regeretable Air Force ".

I want to beilieve they are joking!
it will take Russia not too much time to deal with US and a much lesser time to deal with Britain- owing to proximity.

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Re: Moscow:uk Should Explain Permission To Shoot Down Russia Planes Over Iraq by imohchard(m): 7:50pm On Oct 12, 2015
So UK thinks that if it starts a war with russia, their cousin,America will come and aid it?
Re: Moscow:uk Should Explain Permission To Shoot Down Russia Planes Over Iraq by imohchard(m): 7:58pm On Oct 12, 2015
Let me analyse the modalities... UK shoot down Russian Planes, Russia reterliate by bombing wembly.America sends forces to europe. China and North Korea mobilizes forces ready to join moscow. World war 3 starts.. By the way, who will naija support between russia and nato forces?
BALLOSKI:
it will take Russia not too much time to deal with US and a much lesser time to deal with Britain- owing to proximity.
Re: Moscow:uk Should Explain Permission To Shoot Down Russia Planes Over Iraq by NairaMinted: 10:17pm On Oct 12, 2015
Based on these extremely dangerous turn of events, all I can say is that shame on ANYONE that supports the reckless and downright evil actions of the US in the Middle East and in the world at large. How can one country in its drive for unbridled and blind desire for world hegemony take us all to the precipice of another world war? How can a country masquerading as a bastion of democracy unleash its proxy army of the vilest and most evil of terrorists across MENA just to have its way?

Would you believe that just today, a senate hearing committee was suggesting that Syrian refugees - the very same people that the mad men in Washington say they want to "liberate" from Assad - be used as human shields to prevent their so-called "moderate" rebels from being bombed by Russia? SOMEBODY SHOULD PLEASE DEFEND THIS INSANITY!

Shame on Missy89, shame on CSTR2, shame on anyone that is deluded enough to support this madness!! It may be Iraq, Libya, Syria, today, it might well be Nigeria tomorrow!

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Re: Moscow:uk Should Explain Permission To Shoot Down Russia Planes Over Iraq by Appleyard(m): 3:00pm On Oct 13, 2015
Nairaminted, you do know that today is the D-day regarding the fake MH17 investigation final release of so-called findings?
Well, you know that is mostly your area, so am suggesting you quickly open a thread to that effect. The release is just hours away.

See ya man!
Re: Moscow:uk Should Explain Permission To Shoot Down Russia Planes Over Iraq by NairaMinted: 5:29pm On Oct 13, 2015
Appleyard:
Nairaminted, you do know that today is the D-day regarding the fake MH17 investigation final release of so-called findings?
Well, you know that is mostly your area, so am suggesting you quickly open a thread to that effect. The release is just hours away.

See ya man!

Sure, I'll do that soon. Thanks.
Re: Moscow:uk Should Explain Permission To Shoot Down Russia Planes Over Iraq by bonechamberlain(m): 6:17am On Oct 15, 2015
that media reports are all propaganda.. I don't think the u.k in its right senses would shoot down Russian jets, as the u.k would be dealt with easily by the Russians. when it comes to warfare even the Germans can easily deal with them. their match would be France obviously not Russia .
Re: Moscow:uk Should Explain Permission To Shoot Down Russia Planes Over Iraq by neocortex: 12:03pm On Oct 17, 2015
bonechamberlain:
that media reports are all propaganda.. I don't think the u.k in its right senses would shoot down Russian jets, as the u.k would be dealt with easily by the Russians. when it comes to warfare even the Germans can easily deal with them. their match would be France obviously not Russia .

Do not underestimate the UK's ability to fight in modern warfare.
Don't forget that it is the british that destroyed Napoleons
ambition, they also taught hitler a lesson of his life.
Politics is as important to war as weapons.
Re: Moscow:uk Should Explain Permission To Shoot Down Russia Planes Over Iraq by bonechamberlain(m): 12:41pm On Oct 17, 2015
neocortex:


Do not underestimate the UK's ability to fight in modern warfare.
Don't forget that it is the british that destroyed Napoleons
ambition, they also taught hitler a lesson of his life.
Politics is as important to war as weapons.
Napoleon? that was in the 18th century, do you know that if not for Russia and especially U.S , Britain would have been occupied by Germany.
Re: Moscow:uk Should Explain Permission To Shoot Down Russia Planes Over Iraq by neocortex: 12:53pm On Oct 17, 2015
bonechamberlain:
Napoleon? that was in the 18th century, do you know that if not for Russia and especially U.S , Britain would have been occupied by Germany.


Remember germany overran russia in the second world war.
If britain didn't persuade US to join the war, russia will have
been a colony of Hitler till now.
Even though german bombers did bomb the british territory.
At no point during the war did hitler army invade Britain,
same cannot be said of russia whose government and army fled
in the face of german invasion.

Even if Russia did not fight hitler , he will never have successfully
invade britain and the battle will have drawn on for a very long time.
Re: Moscow:uk Should Explain Permission To Shoot Down Russia Planes Over Iraq by bonechamberlain(m): 1:03pm On Oct 17, 2015
neocortex:



Remember germany overran russia in the second world war.
If britain didn't persuade US to join the war, russia will have
been a colony of Hitler till now.
Even though german bombers did bomb the british territory.
At no point during the war did hitler army invade Britain,
same cannot be said of russia whose government and army fled
in the face of german invasion.

Even if Russia did not fight hitler , he will never have successfully
invade britain and the battle will have drawn on for a very long time.



also remember that stalin had a pact with hitler that Germany wouldn't fight Russia/Soviet Union if they remained neutral, which Hitler himself broke and attacked an unprepared Russia, and even when the Germans attacked they didn't get into the mainland, before they were finally driven out and defeated by the Russians in the battle of Stalingrad, though at a very high cost on the part of Russia.
Re: Moscow:uk Should Explain Permission To Shoot Down Russia Planes Over Iraq by neocortex: 1:08pm On Oct 17, 2015
bonechamberlain:


also remember that stalin had a pact with hitler that Germany wouldn't fight Russia/Soviet Union if they remained neutral, which Hitler himself broke and attacked an unprepared Russia, and even when the Germans attacked they didn't get into the mainland, before they were finally driven out and defeated by the Russians in the battle of Stalingrad, though at a very high cost on the part of Russia.

My point is that if hitler concentrated his entire force on the russian front,
he would have overran the entire Russia territory.
but if he did that on the british side he will have a hard time achieving
his aim because of 1. the territory advantage of britain i.e being surrounded by water
and
2. Britain can muster far greater fighting force than russia can ever dream of.(because
they are still in charge of many colonies.)
Re: Moscow:uk Should Explain Permission To Shoot Down Russia Planes Over Iraq by bonechamberlain(m): 1:34pm On Oct 17, 2015
neocortex:


My point is that if hitler concentrated his entire force on the russian front,
he would have overran the entire Russia territory.
but if he did that on the british side he will have a hard time achieving
his aim because of 1. the territory advantage of britain i.e being surrounded by water
and
2. Britain can muster far greater fighting force than russia can ever dream of.(because
they are still in charge of many colonies.)

when u look at the map of Europe during ww2 u find out that Russia/Soviet and Britain where the remaining territories to be conquered. now Hitler beleived that attacking Britain and abiding by the pact with stalin might make him more powerful he then broke the pact, believing that Britain would surrender if Russia is defeated. Hitler never saw Britain as a problem his eye was in the power house of Europe, "the Soviet Union"

other countries also had the same territorial advantage u quoted,

do u know about the red army, do u know that France also had more colonies than Britain but were easliy occupied by Hitlers Germany. do you know that the Soviet Union was made up of almost the entire eastern Europe, now who would be in the best position to muster a large fighting force very quickly.

go and read about the red army, stalin saw that no one should ever be trusted, so after the German attack the red army was formed. when it was created they could easily occupy the whole of Europe with ease. another reason why NATO was formed.
Re: Moscow:uk Should Explain Permission To Shoot Down Russia Planes Over Iraq by neocortex: 1:46pm On Oct 17, 2015
bonechamberlain:

when u look at the map of Europe during ww2 u find out that Russia/Soviet and Britain where the remaining territories to be conquered. now Hitler beleived that attacking Britain and abiding by the pact with stalin might make him more powerful he then broke the pact, believing that Britain would surrender if Russia is defeated. Hitler never saw Britain as a problem his eye was in the power house of Europe, "the Soviet Union"

other countries also had the same territorial advantage u quoted,

do u know about the red army, do u know that France also had more colonies than Britain but were easliy occupied by Hitlers Germany. do you know that the Soviet Union was made up of almost the entire eastern Europe, now who would be in the best position to muster a large fighting force very quickly.

go and read about the red army, stalin saw that no one should ever be trusted, so after the German attack the red army was formed. when it was created they could easily occupy the whole of Europe with ease. another reason why NATO was formed.

You cannot sweep aside the territorial advantage of britain and you know that.
Britain was a master political strategy then and could summon million-men army
if need be at that particular time.
And also note that britain is an island and their naval fleet were battle-hardened during the
war, in fact the one advantage that britain held for a very long time was its navy.

If hitler had to attack russia just to prove how powerful he is to Russia, then
you should know that britain was more powerful then otherwise, hitler would have overrun britain,
consolidated his power and then launch a total battle on the naive Russia.
Re: Moscow:uk Should Explain Permission To Shoot Down Russia Planes Over Iraq by bonechamberlain(m): 3:51pm On Oct 17, 2015
neocortex:


You cannot sweep aside the territorial advantage of britain and you know that.
Britain was a master political strategy then and could summon million-men army
if need be at that particular time.
And also note that britain is an island and their naval fleet were battle-hardened during the
war, in fact the one advantage that britain held for a very long time was its navy.

If hitler had to attack russia just to prove how powerful he is to Russia, then
you should know that britain was more powerful then otherwise, hitler would have overrun britain,
consolidated his power and then launch a total battle on the naive Russia.
hope u read of the pact between Hitler and Russia.
Re: Moscow:uk Should Explain Permission To Shoot Down Russia Planes Over Iraq by neocortex: 4:04pm On Oct 17, 2015
bonechamberlain:
hope u read of the pact between Hitler and Russia.

I did and I maintain that Russia was naive to have trusted the "pact".
Re: Moscow:uk Should Explain Permission To Shoot Down Russia Planes Over Iraq by bonechamberlain(m): 5:46pm On Oct 17, 2015
neocortex:


I did and I maintain that Russia was naive to have trusted the "pact".
good. why do u think Hitler chose to even make any pact with Stalin. it's obvious he knew the powers the Russians wielded. though he still attacked but was taught a lesson. if he had stuck to the agreement, I don't think any other country in Europe would have their flag flying, it would all be the Nazis in Europe, western Europe in particular.

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