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|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by raumdeuter: 5:49pm On Nov 24, 2015|
I doubt there is any provision for them to get out of a state else we would have several people caught on the wrong side of the boundary clamouring for the same
Since the above isnt feasible then the Igalas would have to live with Okun man for the next 4 yrs
Just like Ciroma and co were shut up when Jonathan succeded yar'Adua against their wish
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by zimoni(f): 5:53pm On Nov 24, 2015|
I believe it's wrong for the Biafrans to protest in Lagos. I believe they are only looking for trouble, they want to involve us in their agitation which I believe does not concern us.
I don't know where I got it wrong.
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 5:56pm On Nov 24, 2015|
Congratulations to the new Ooni and all the High Priests of Ife.
Congratulations to you as well being a member of the Priest family.
I congratulate Yorubaland and Omoluabi everywhere.
Thanks also for bringing those pictures, very nice and worthy. I particularly liked the one you took with his gaze fixed directly in the lens, I wish there was more lighting....that's a classic cover shot!
When the coronation is all done I would like you to create an album thread for Ooni Ogunwusi in Culture section. Give it any title that suits you. Let's extoll Ile Ife.
Please shed light on the following for me.
1. There's a shrine in Isale Eko called Idita. Some call it Idito. This shrine is believed to have been transplanted by Olofin. Before coronation an Oba must visit and perform some rituals here, facilitated by Araba. Egungun, Agemo all stop here and give homage. In the Tapa cult there is an Igunnu called Salumangi (Salumogi)...the very short Igunnu...when Igunnu cult comes out, Salumogi steps forward and pays homage at Idita. When Oro comes out they also visit the shrine. The most dramatic is the appearance of Adimu at Idita. Adimu's presence here is more than paying homage...the whole purpose of him coming out is to visit Idita...nothing more, and he spends upward of 30minutes inside.
Of all these, only three have access to the interior - Oba, led by Araba; Adimu and Oro.
There seem to be a parallel of these acts and figures in Ife.
What is the link?
2. What is the significance of the trident in the white staff held by Ooni?
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 6:02pm On Nov 24, 2015|
The same constitutional provisions that allow for State creation can be used for state boundary modifications. The only issue I have with this is that some mischievous never-do-wells will request for an Okun state when the Yoruba LGs should simply be added to Ondo, Ekiti and Kwara.
If the provisions don't exist, nothing stops the senators and reps from that state from moving a motion.
If there are more Igalas in the State House and a majority don't want an Okun Governor, then they can impeach the governor at any time.
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by OnReflection: 6:09pm On Nov 24, 2015|
Aare, thanks for drawing my attention to this project. Bookmarked for tracking purposes.
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by raumdeuter: 6:10pm On Nov 24, 2015|
These issues are not peculiar to Kogi alone and Its only in The SW and SE that we really have homogenous States
If the Okun people push that and it works then a lot of issues with boundary adjustment would come to fore especially in the North Central, SS and NE
There might also be an issue if Kwarrans, Ondo or Ekiti people would want them to be added to their own current landscape
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by modath(f): 6:18pm On Nov 24, 2015|
Dino is in the Senate to lick Saraki's boots...
I remember i said it some few pages ago that the Igalas are not here for any other tribe to govern Kogi...
The beauty inherent in Living in FCT & being a social animal with a penchant for drawing people out of their shells easily is that one feels a bit of what makes some tribes tick...
You rightly allude to the anambra Saga, Igalas are tough nuts to crack!! Won san lori gan..
As per my mamas, i have gone to our meeting place to throw them the bait but they are mighty scared of politics board..
One of our biuriful mamas said she was about to call the other mamas to raise a prayer group for me when Emptyglobe opened a thread on itself & their fellow romanis gathered like a wake of cackling vultures & were firing their relatives & loved ones curses.
Sooner than soon, my yoruba sis will come in... on that thread , muslim, christian, osu ibo, egun or ibarapa, don't matter. ... Everyone comports themselves well. ...
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 6:21pm On Nov 24, 2015|
Because of the seclusion which tradition demands, not many people can, or have seen the Ooni. It's a Big deal when you actually touch him. Normally that would be a moment of record and no photographer should miss such memorable split second contacts.....the class of photographers we have are not trained with that consciousness. After Oba Oyekan passed I looked through his albums and not one had a picture of him with a baby in his arm or a child on his lap....that part of his heart and cheerfulness with children was not recorded and children were always welcomed there. There were diplomats that would visit and bring their children to see the king and they took puctures.
Touching an Ooni is one of a kind experience...a spectacular that really should have been recorded on film.
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by OnReflection: 6:28pm On Nov 24, 2015|
Nah, I have never held a one dimensional view of our northern compatriots. I know enough about West African history not to peddle any simplistic assertions beyond "inoffensive" and jocular musings.
I will say this much though; I despair at the number of northern children who are not enrolled in schools, and fear for what this connotes for the country's future stability. The religious fervour which has turned the political class in 12 states into theocrats (at least on paper) is also not fully appreciated in my view. More on this later.
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 6:29pm On Nov 24, 2015|
There will always be issues. The real issue stems from greed and ego.
Re-drawing state lines is a small issue. I actually believe that most African nations should re-draw their borders along homogenous boundaries similar to many European nations. Now, I am not saying that each Ethnic Group should have its own nation but where practical, boundaries should be re-drawn. In the short term, there will be pain but I believe in the long run, the benefits would outweigh the pain. Take a look at East Africa where Ethnic Groups cross borders to support their Ethnic Groups in other countries.
Considering that most of these states were created by military leaders, wouldn't it make sense for these issues to be re-visited? Can't these issues be reviewed together with the larger issue of the Structure of Nigeria?
It is time Nigerian legislathieves start earning some part of the obscene wages they are paid.
But of course, this is just a waste of time.
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by TreyQ: 6:31pm On Nov 24, 2015|
I'm not who you think i am oo. different person
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by OnReflection: 6:31pm On Nov 24, 2015|
If memory serves me correctly, I think the Okun representatives at the last Northern Conference argued a case for boundary modification rather than state creation.
I will look this up shortly.
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 6:33pm On Nov 24, 2015|
In another news....I found something on Ilaje and a very important and laudible role they played between Bini and Lagos.
When an Oba dies in Lagos, after the rituals are performed to debrief his body, the head is kept in Lagos but the body is transported back to Bini for burial in the Omo N Oba palace. Ilajes have the special role of shipping the headless body back and performing special rites along the way till the body is delivered at Bini. They are also delegated with the official duty of bringing paraphernalia of office from Bini to coronate a new Oba in Lagos.
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by OnReflection: 6:34pm On Nov 24, 2015|
I am following your posts closely 9jacrip.
It is a shame you are not updating that FB group as well, you know
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 6:42pm On Nov 24, 2015|
Get some insurance and fortify yaself if you want to make it a duty to assault and flog monkees online...or even face to face.
Speaking about mamas...the ground commandos or the air formations?
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by TreyQ: 6:42pm On Nov 24, 2015|
Responsibilities Of An Oba In Ancient Yoruba Kingdom
Oba is a Yoruba term for King, an Oba is the monarchical head of government in ancient Yoruba kingdoms. Some Obas ruled supreme over their kingdoms and subjects with unchecked powers while some had checks and balances like the great Old Oyo Empire (OOE), some have their powers checked as a result of their tributary status to OOE.
Their titles and appellations vary amongst clans in Yorubaland, for example, the Oba of Oyo is called ‘Alaafin of Oyo’ (Man of the palace at Oyo), some Obas’ titles are attributes to their land, examples are Oluwo of Iwo, Osolo of Isolo and so forth.
There are first class and second class Obas. First class Obas are of the ancient Yoruba kingdoms that had been in existence since the primordial era, the Alaafin, Ooni, Alake, Eleko (Oba of Lagos) are all first class Oba.
Second class Obas are the Obas of less popular kingdoms in Yorubaland, the first class and second class Oba do wear beaded crowns and royal regalia, they also hold ‘Irukere’ (fly-whisk).
There are Baale (Father of the land) who are mainly viceroys and do not wear crown as they are affiliates and their towns are tributary to a neighbouring Oba.
An Oba title is not necessarily hereditary in Yorubaland although history has it that at the outset of every kingdom, powers are transferred hereditary I.e. From an Oba to the crown prince but some strange events compromised it, for example, a situation where the Oba has no prince or the prince is too young to become an Oba, a situation where the kingdom was defeated and the royal family was exiled etc. Apart from OOE where The Oyomesi cabinet is chooser of Oba, the common method is, once an Oba dies, the Olu-awo (Head of Ifa) of the kingdom is consulted by the Ijoyes (Chiefs) to follow ancestral means of choosing the next Oba, the Olu-awo would consult the Orisa of different deities and after some rigorous sacrifices and rituals, he (Olu-Awo) would pronounce whom is next to become the Oba.
An ancient Oba in Yorubaland would normally be the wealthiest, most influential and most important personality. They enjoyed life to the extreme, Yoruba would often say ‘Oun je aiye oloba’ (living the life of a king) if someone is living flamboyantly.
The Obas of course had many responsibilities and privileges that come with their high-status role. As divine Obas, they had access to special powers and extraordinary wisdom to carry out their thoughtful tasks. They settle disputes, pass judgements; compensate and punish, protect their subjects, develop the land among others.
An ancient Oba would have a lot of privileges among them would be ‘gbese le’ (the act of an Oba putting his leg on a kneeling woman’s shoulder). An ancient Oba could marry any woman at anytime, all he needed to do was to gbese le (oral history states this is quite uncommon). That gesture signifies ownership and marriage to the woman. If an Oba was on his forecourt, any subject who walked pass must stop to greet him. Therefore, any beautiful woman who catches his eyes might become his wife.
In this case, if the woman was married, an ‘Aroko’ (material message) would be sent to the husband to indicate the divorce and remarry of his wife, he would however though be compensated.
Husbands would warn their wives to avoid the palace, not being disrespectful to the Oba, but to avoid the occurrence of ‘gbese le’
Ancient Obas were highly respected and were often referred to as ‘igbakeji Orisa’ (second to the supreme deity), an order of an Oba is of high magnitude and must be strictly adhered to, anyone who flouted their laws might be executed as shown in this saying: “Eni ba foju di oba, Awowo awo” (Awowo would wreck those who disobey Oba).
Awowo was a machete used to execute those who disobeyed the Obas in Ancient Yorubaland.
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by TreyQ: 6:47pm On Nov 24, 2015|
Similes in Yoruba
1. O dudu bi koro isin.
2. O funfun bi egbon owu.
3. O r'ewa bi egbin.
4. O pon bi epo.
5. O le koko bi oju eja.
6. O njo bi okoto.
7. O tutu bi yinyin.
8. O kuru bi kukute.
9. O ga bi omiran.
10. O gbona bi ina.
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by CHRISTALLITE: 6:49pm On Nov 24, 2015|
CHRISTALLITE:Ejo eran mi lowo!
Please help my future.
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 6:49pm On Nov 24, 2015|
Im trying to stay out of commentaries on Northerners.
Their understanding of scholarship is far richer in the North than ours.
They see scholarship as a true study of man and nature and they preoccupy themselves with reconciliation of the two. They do not see western education as a superior academy to their trsditional cult of madrasa teachings.
Can you imagine if Yoruba would see Ifa teachings as a better scholarship for us than western education?
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by OnReflection: 6:57pm On Nov 24, 2015|
I have got absolutely nothing to quibble here Mayor.
The question you posed at the very end of your post is one that fully resonates with me.
Question for all - Where do we locate the teachings of IFA in our reclamation efforts?
Is it possible to engender true Yoruba-renaissance without the underpinnings it affords us?
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 6:57pm On Nov 24, 2015|
It will take a revolutionary energy stemming from conservatists to deliver such transformations. ...the type witnessed in the 60s when Agbekoya seized the Western Parliament and paralyzed government.
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 7:06pm On Nov 24, 2015|
How much have you raised so far from this effort?
Is the govt aware of your efforts? I believe Lagos have a SOS slush fund that a Fashola dipped in occassionally to help Ibos. Your need should be brought to Ambode's attention.
I want to contribute to your fund but you can imagine that it could open channel for undesirable elements to abuse the assistance.
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by modath(f): 7:11pm On Nov 24, 2015|
Mayor, I don't even look their way, they are too hyperbolic, uncultured & so disconnected from reality, it is not even funny..... But I enable my sister with LIKES, that high definition chic is a beta pikin.
My mamas are abiyamo abi oja gborogboro, no air formation or broom jumping tinz..
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by OnReflection: 7:12pm On Nov 24, 2015|
I have been unable to locate the submissions made by our kindred from Kogi. At any rate, these were superseded by the conference resolutions copied in below.
5.10.2 INTERNAL BOUNDARIES
Whatever we think of Jonathan's hurriedly assembled conference, it actually did provide a framework for regionalism-lite.
Why aren't we pressuring the party at the centre to follow through with those recommendations, as advised by Afenifere?
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 7:24pm On Nov 24, 2015|
Thanks for that. It would appear that the groundwork has been done already. All that remains is for the appropriate reps/senators to politic to bring this to actualization in their respective states.
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by OnReflection: 7:43pm On Nov 24, 2015|
Do the following resolutions not speak to our yearning for regionalism?
5.12 POLITICAL RESTRUCTURING AND FORMS OF GOVERNMENT
So why are all Yoruba chieftains in the current government oblivious to this document?
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by CHRISTALLITE: 7:48pm On Nov 24, 2015|
MayorofLagos:Sir,sincerely I haven't raise anything tangible.
No,the government is not aware.
I am a Yoruba indigene.
Sir,you are right,there could be others who would tend to follow suit,but presently it seems I am the only one clamouring for help,I wouldn't have gone public,if I have the means,but Sir,I have gotten no means.
But do kindly help me out.
If anyone come again for assistance, if you can,you could help them,but if you are not chanced,I believe they would find help elsewhere by GOD'S Grace.
Sir,in anyway you can help me,I will surely appreciate it Sir.
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 7:57pm On Nov 24, 2015|
My brother i probably preempted your intent. Accept my apology.
I thought you were saying to accomodate their planned march but not oppose it for the risk it would degenerate into face off.
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 8:07pm On Nov 24, 2015|
I understand, there is no need to placate me. First of all, im not a sir.
If govt is told about you they will invite you in and give proper interview to collect info and assess your needs, not just your ability to pay for enrollment but also your maintenance and future needs to complete undergrad program. Each state has scholarship program to care for situations like this.
If they call you to go to a govt agency, are you able to? Have you applied for scholarship?
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 8:10pm On Nov 24, 2015|
Simple answer - Because Yoruba chieftains can't put the Yoruba interests above their selfish interests.
Merging of states would solve this issue of bloated civil services.
Why can't Ogun merge Lagos, Oyo with Osun, and Ondo with Ekiti?
Have three big states with more autonomous LGs for outreach to citizens?
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 8:16pm On Nov 24, 2015|
I had to ask. Theres no shame in "Awon Iyami Oshoronga's" business, not after watching Avatar and see how white people glamorize flying through "Igbo Irunmole" on the back of "egbere".
Respect fun Awon Iya jare!
|Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 8:19pm On Nov 24, 2015|
You want to merge Lagos with where
You must first pay me, Mayor, omo onile fees.
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