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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by raumdeuter: 5:49pm On Nov 24, 2015
I doubt there is any provision for them to get out of a state else we would have several people caught on the wrong side of the boundary clamouring for the same


Since the above isnt feasible then the Igalas would have to live with Okun man for the next 4 yrs

Just like Ciroma and co were shut up when Jonathan succeded yar'Adua against their wish
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by zimoni(f): 5:53pm On Nov 24, 2015
MayorofLagos:


We often question why our leaders tolerate nonsense from Ibo.

Zimoni, responses like yours shed light on our attitude, whether as leader or not, to readily yield and give in to pressure.

This response you gave is not a good one.

Okay Sir.

I believe it's wrong for the Biafrans to protest in Lagos. I believe they are only looking for trouble, they want to involve us in their agitation which I believe does not concern us.

I don't know where I got it wrong.

Thanks.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 5:56pm On Nov 24, 2015
9ja crip,
Congratulations to the new Ooni and all the High Priests of Ife.

Congratulations to you as well being a member of the Priest family.

I congratulate Yorubaland and Omoluabi everywhere.

Thanks also for bringing those pictures, very nice and worthy. I particularly liked the one you took with his gaze fixed directly in the lens, I wish there was more lighting....that's a classic cover shot!

When the coronation is all done I would like you to create an album thread for Ooni Ogunwusi in Culture section. Give it any title that suits you. Let's extoll Ile Ife.

Please shed light on the following for me.

1. There's a shrine in Isale Eko called Idita. Some call it Idito. This shrine is believed to have been transplanted by Olofin. Before coronation an Oba must visit and perform some rituals here, facilitated by Araba. Egungun, Agemo all stop here and give homage. In the Tapa cult there is an Igunnu called Salumangi (Salumogi)...the very short Igunnu...when Igunnu cult comes out, Salumogi steps forward and pays homage at Idita. When Oro comes out they also visit the shrine. The most dramatic is the appearance of Adimu at Idita. Adimu's presence here is more than paying homage...the whole purpose of him coming out is to visit Idita...nothing more, and he spends upward of 30minutes inside.

Of all these, only three have access to the interior - Oba, led by Araba; Adimu and Oro.

There seem to be a parallel of these acts and figures in Ife.

What is the link?

2. What is the significance of the trident in the white staff held by Ooni?
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 6:02pm On Nov 24, 2015
raumdeuter:
I doubt there is any provision for them to get out of a state else we would have several people caught on the wrong side of the boundary clamouring for the same


Since the above isnt feasible then the Igalas would have to live with Okun man for the next 4 yrs

Just like Ciroma and co were shut up when Jonathan succeded yar'Adua against their wish

The same constitutional provisions that allow for State creation can be used for state boundary modifications. The only issue I have with this is that some mischievous never-do-wells will request for an Okun state when the Yoruba LGs should simply be added to Ondo, Ekiti and Kwara.

If the provisions don't exist, nothing stops the senators and reps from that state from moving a motion.

If there are more Igalas in the State House and a majority don't want an Okun Governor, then they can impeach the governor at any time.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by OnReflection: 6:09pm On Nov 24, 2015
Aareonakakanfo:
[size=16pt]FG Commissions Hydrocarbon Plant In Ogun State[/size]


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The Nigerian government has commissioned a Hydrocarbon plant in Ikenne, Ogun State, to produce high grade Hydrocarbon refrigerants which are to be used in the Refrigerants Services sectors.

The plant was built in a renewed effort to ensure the phasing out of Hydrochlorofluorocarbons (HCFCs) by the year 2040 in line with Montreal Protocol agreement on Substances that Deplete the Ozone layer to which Nigeria is a party.

At the commissioning of the plant, the Minister of State for Environment, Mr Ibrahim Jibril, said that the plant would greatly mitigate the negative consequences on Nigeria’s ecological system and human health occasioned by the use of Ozone Depleting Substances (ODS).

He stated that the first stage implementation of the Hydrochlorofluorocarbons Phase-out Management Plan (HPMP), which commenced in 2011, was expected to be completed before the end of the year.

“The hydrocarbon pilot project is one of the main components of the project and it is designed to demonstrate the feasibility of replacing the current use of HCFCs refrigerant in the Refrigeration and Air-Conditioning (RAC) sector with the Hydrocarbon refrigerant-based technology,” Mr Jibril explained.

The Minister further said that the ministry would ensure that stakeholders in the sector nationwide would be properly trained in the use of the new technology.

Mr Jibril stated that economic development had largely been unsustainable because it had been supported by the use of hydrocarbon fuels and chemicals which unfortunately were damaging the ecosystem and harmful to human health.

He maintained that, with the commissioning of the plant, there would be a remarkable economic development, as the project had the potential of creating jobs, providing foreign exchange and building local capacity to produce energy efficient low Global warming Potential (GWPs) gases among other benefits.

The Minister further called on the private sector to invest in the operation and marketing of the hydrocarbon refrigerants products, stressing that the Government was considering harnessing the products of the Hydrocarbon plant (Butane), as a source of clean fuel for cooking and an alternative for firewood.


http://www.channelstv.com/2015/11/23/fg-commissions-hydrocarbon-plant-in-ogun-state/


Stuntingblack/Shymm3x/Onreflection

Aare, thanks for drawing my attention to this project. Bookmarked for tracking purposes.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by raumdeuter: 6:10pm On Nov 24, 2015
Katsumoto:


The same constitutional provisions that allow for State creation can be used for state boundary modifications. The only issue I have with this is that some mischievous never-do-wells will request for an Okun state when the Yoruba LGs should simply be added to Ondo, Ekiti and Kwara.

If the provisions don't exist, nothing stops the senators and reps from that state from moving a motion.

If there are more Igalas in the State House and a majority don't want an Okun Governor, then they can impeach the governor at any time.

These issues are not peculiar to Kogi alone and Its only in The SW and SE that we really have homogenous States

If the Okun people push that and it works then a lot of issues with boundary adjustment would come to fore especially in the North Central, SS and NE

There might also be an issue if Kwarrans, Ondo or Ekiti people would want them to be added to their own current landscape
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by modath(f): 6:18pm On Nov 24, 2015
Aareonakakanfo:


I don't know if there is any.The lawyers should tell us that

But I believe with consistent lobbying, they should be able to get something out of it

[b]What is Melaye doing in the senate by the way?
[/b]



Dino is in the Senate to lick Saraki's boots...

I remember i said it some few pages ago that the Igalas are not here for any other tribe to govern Kogi...

The beauty inherent in Living in FCT & being a social animal with a penchant for drawing people out of their shells easily is that one feels a bit of what makes some tribes tick...

You rightly allude to the anambra Saga, Igalas are tough nuts to crack!! Won san lori gan..


As per my mamas, i have gone to our meeting place to throw them the bait but they are mighty scared of politics board.. cheesy grin

One of our biuriful mamas said she was about to call the other mamas to raise a prayer group for me when Emptyglobe opened a thread on itself & their fellow romanis gathered like a wake of cackling vultures & were firing their relatives & loved ones curses. smiley

Sooner than soon, my yoruba sis will come in... on that thread , muslim, christian, osu ibo, egun or ibarapa, don't matter. ... Everyone comports themselves well. ...

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 6:21pm On Nov 24, 2015
Zimoni,
Because of the seclusion which tradition demands, not many people can, or have seen the Ooni. It's a Big deal when you actually touch him. Normally that would be a moment of record and no photographer should miss such memorable split second contacts.....the class of photographers we have are not trained with that consciousness. After Oba Oyekan passed I looked through his albums and not one had a picture of him with a baby in his arm or a child on his lap....that part of his heart and cheerfulness with children was not recorded and children were always welcomed there. There were diplomats that would visit and bring their children to see the king and they took puctures.

Touching an Ooni is one of a kind experience...a spectacular that really should have been recorded on film.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by OnReflection: 6:28pm On Nov 24, 2015
modath:



Superstar abeg tell 'em ... Even if abok1 be church rat, he must get transistor radio ..

Southerners often wonder how they manage to congregate & ready for war, it is cos they have foreknowledge of what is buzzing in the polity...

Seems you talked abot Yobe sometime ago, Potiskum or Damaturu? Rest of Yobe is lipsrsealed



Ilekehd , aareonakakanfo, ramdeuter , katsumoto , mayoroflagos , onreflection , iyaiode , et al, are you gentlemen & ladies familiar with any hausa/ fulani person, beyond the stereotype / rhetorics ...

Zimoni , I nor go ask you, you & the sabo crew already don share boundary. grin

Nah, I have never held a one dimensional view of our northern compatriots. I know enough about West African history not to peddle any simplistic assertions beyond "inoffensive" and jocular musings. smiley

I will say this much though; I despair at the number of northern children who are not enrolled in schools, and fear for what this connotes for the country's future stability. The religious fervour which has turned the political class in 12 states into theocrats (at least on paper) is also not fully appreciated in my view. More on this later.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 6:29pm On Nov 24, 2015
raumdeuter:


These issues are not peculiar to Kogi alone and Its only in The SW and SE that we really have homogenous States

If the Okun people push that and it works then a lot of issues with boundary adjustment would come to fore especially in the North Central, SS and NE

There might also be an issue if Kwarrans, Ondo or Ekiti people would want them to be added to their own current landscape

There will always be issues. The real issue stems from greed and ego.

Re-drawing state lines is a small issue. I actually believe that most African nations should re-draw their borders along homogenous boundaries similar to many European nations. Now, I am not saying that each Ethnic Group should have its own nation but where practical, boundaries should be re-drawn. In the short term, there will be pain but I believe in the long run, the benefits would outweigh the pain. Take a look at East Africa where Ethnic Groups cross borders to support their Ethnic Groups in other countries.

Considering that most of these states were created by military leaders, wouldn't it make sense for these issues to be re-visited? Can't these issues be reviewed together with the larger issue of the Structure of Nigeria?

It is time Nigerian legislathieves start earning some part of the obscene wages they are paid.

But of course, this is just a waste of time.

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by TreyQ: 6:31pm On Nov 24, 2015
Aareonakakanfo:



So this is your new account bah? grin cheesy

What of the other one you used against me the last time?

You no dey use am again ? grin

JOKERS everywhere! cheesy grin

I'm not who you think i am oo. different person
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by OnReflection: 6:31pm On Nov 24, 2015
Katsumoto:


The same constitutional provisions that allow for State creation can be used for state boundary modifications. The only issue I have with this is that some mischievous never-do-wells will request for an Okun state when the Yoruba LGs should simply be added to Ondo, Ekiti and Kwara.

If the provisions don't exist, nothing stops the senators and reps from that state from moving a motion.

If there are more Igalas in the State House and a majority don't want an Okun Governor, then they can impeach the governor at any time.

Ogagun Kats,

If memory serves me correctly, I think the Okun representatives at the last Northern Conference argued a case for boundary modification rather than state creation.

I will look this up shortly.

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 6:33pm On Nov 24, 2015
In another news....I found something on Ilaje and a very important and laudible role they played between Bini and Lagos.

When an Oba dies in Lagos, after the rituals are performed to debrief his body, the head is kept in Lagos but the body is transported back to Bini for burial in the Omo N Oba palace. Ilajes have the special role of shipping the headless body back and performing special rites along the way till the body is delivered at Bini. They are also delegated with the official duty of bringing paraphernalia of office from Bini to coronate a new Oba in Lagos.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by OnReflection: 6:34pm On Nov 24, 2015
9jacrip:


E kaaro egbon mi, me le binu sihin rara.

Most folks believe Odudywa came with the crown, a wrong notion if you ask me. Obatala owns/owned the crown, Oduduwa and Obatala engaged in a face off, Oduduwa won and as a result seized the crown and exiled Obatala to the depths of Mokuro, former Ugbo settlement.

The crown was kept away in the palace and unused until after Oduduwa, it became the object of coronation and spiritual fortification for the Ooni.

Where Oduduwa came from and many other details about him remain a secret to the Oduduwa adherents/house in Ife but for me, he came from one of the 13 hamlets in Ife to usurp power, unify into an entity and set up a central administration system - an ambitious guy.

If he was out of town then how would he have been able to communicate or even convince the likes of Obameri, an Ife man to join his team against Obatala? Plus, he would have left an Arabian imprint on the system.

I believe there is a reason his adherents/house look to Oke-Ora but they won't give details angry

Yes, the chain is at the compound but I've never seen it. There are certain off limits for my family and their family - getting to each other's compounds itself requires not sitting in some places or taking one's leave when some processions start; the ewos are so many and na due to the beef since Obatala and Oduduwa period.

I am following your posts closely 9jacrip.
It is a shame you are not updating that FB group as well, you know wink
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 6:42pm On Nov 24, 2015
modath:



Dino is in the Senate to lick Saraki's boots...

I remember i said it some few pages ago that the Igalas are not here for any other tribe to govern Kogi...

The beauty inherent in Living in FCT & being a social animal with a penchant for drawing people out of their shells easily is that one feels a bit of what makes some tribes tick...

You rightly allude to the anambra Saga, Igalas are tough nuts to crack!! Won san lori gan..


As per my mamas, i have gone to our meeting place to throw them the bait but they are mighty scared of politics board.. cheesy grin

One of our biuriful mamas said she was about to call the other mamas to raise a prayer group for me when Emptyglobe opened a thread on itself & their fellow romanis gathered like a wake of cackling vultures & were firing their relatives & loved ones curses. smiley

Sooner than soon, my yoruba sis will come in... on that thread , muslim, christian, osu ibo, egun or ibarapa, don't matter. ... Everyone comports themselves well. ...


grin grin grin
Get some insurance and fortify yaself if you want to make it a duty to assault and flog monkees online...or even face to face.

Speaking about mamas...the ground commandos or the air formations? grin
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by TreyQ: 6:42pm On Nov 24, 2015
Responsibilities Of An Oba In Ancient Yoruba Kingdom

Oba is a Yoruba term for King, an Oba is the monarchical head of government in ancient Yoruba kingdoms. Some Obas ruled supreme over their kingdoms and subjects with unchecked powers while some had checks and balances like the great Old Oyo Empire (OOE), some have their powers checked as a result of their tributary status to OOE.

Their titles and appellations vary amongst clans in Yorubaland, for example, the Oba of Oyo is called ‘Alaafin of Oyo’ (Man of the palace at Oyo), some Obas’ titles are attributes to their land, examples are Oluwo of Iwo, Osolo of Isolo and so forth.

There are first class and second class Obas. First class Obas are of the ancient Yoruba kingdoms that had been in existence since the primordial era, the Alaafin, Ooni, Alake, Eleko (Oba of Lagos) are all first class Oba.

Second class Obas are the Obas of less popular kingdoms in Yorubaland, the first class and second class Oba do wear beaded crowns and royal regalia, they also hold ‘Irukere’ (fly-whisk).

There are Baale (Father of the land) who are mainly viceroys and do not wear crown as they are affiliates and their towns are tributary to a neighbouring Oba.

An Oba title is not necessarily hereditary in Yorubaland although history has it that at the outset of every kingdom, powers are transferred hereditary I.e. From an Oba to the crown prince but some strange events compromised it, for example, a situation where the Oba has no prince or the prince is too young to become an Oba, a situation where the kingdom was defeated and the royal family was exiled etc. Apart from OOE where The Oyomesi cabinet is chooser of Oba, the common method is, once an Oba dies, the Olu-awo (Head of Ifa) of the kingdom is consulted by the Ijoyes (Chiefs) to follow ancestral means of choosing the next Oba, the Olu-awo would consult the Orisa of different deities and after some rigorous sacrifices and rituals, he (Olu-Awo) would pronounce whom is next to become the Oba.

An ancient Oba in Yorubaland would normally be the wealthiest, most influential and most important personality. They enjoyed life to the extreme, Yoruba would often say ‘Oun je aiye oloba’ (living the life of a king) if someone is living flamboyantly.

The Obas of course had many responsibilities and privileges that come with their high-status role. As divine Obas, they had access to special powers and extraordinary wisdom to carry out their thoughtful tasks. They settle disputes, pass judgements; compensate and punish, protect their subjects, develop the land among others.

An ancient Oba would have a lot of privileges among them would be ‘gbese le’ (the act of an Oba putting his leg on a kneeling woman’s shoulder). An ancient Oba could marry any woman at anytime, all he needed to do was to gbese le (oral history states this is quite uncommon). That gesture signifies ownership and marriage to the woman. If an Oba was on his forecourt, any subject who walked pass must stop to greet him. Therefore, any beautiful woman who catches his eyes might become his wife.

In this case, if the woman was married, an ‘Aroko’ (material message) would be sent to the husband to indicate the divorce and remarry of his wife, he would however though be compensated.

Husbands would warn their wives to avoid the palace, not being disrespectful to the Oba, but to avoid the occurrence of ‘gbese le’

Ancient Obas were highly respected and were often referred to as ‘igbakeji Orisa’ (second to the supreme deity), an order of an Oba is of high magnitude and must be strictly adhered to, anyone who flouted their laws might be executed as shown in this saying: “Eni ba foju di oba, Awowo awo” (Awowo would wreck those who disobey Oba).

Awowo was a machete used to execute those who disobeyed the Obas in Ancient Yorubaland.
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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by TreyQ: 6:47pm On Nov 24, 2015
Similes in Yoruba

1. O dudu bi koro isin.
2. O funfun bi egbon owu.
3. O r'ewa bi egbin.
4. O pon bi epo.
5. O le koko bi oju eja.
6. O njo bi okoto.
7. O tutu bi yinyin.
8. O kuru bi kukute.
9. O ga bi omiran.
10. O gbona bi ina.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by CHRISTALLITE: 6:49pm On Nov 24, 2015
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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 6:49pm On Nov 24, 2015
OnReflection:


Nah, I have never held a one dimensional view of our northern compatriots. I know enough about West African history not to peddle any simplistic assertions beyond "inoffensive" and jocular musings. smiley

I will say this much though; I despair at the number of northern children who are not enrolled in schools, and fear for what this connotes for the country's future stability. The religious fervour which has turned the political class in 12 states into theocrats (at least on paper) is also not fully appreciated in my view. More on this later.

Im trying to stay out of commentaries on Northerners.
Their understanding of scholarship is far richer in the North than ours.

They see scholarship as a true study of man and nature and they preoccupy themselves with reconciliation of the two. They do not see western education as a superior academy to their trsditional cult of madrasa teachings.

Can you imagine if Yoruba would see Ifa teachings as a better scholarship for us than western education?

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by OnReflection: 6:57pm On Nov 24, 2015
MayorofLagos:


Im trying to stay out of commentaries on Northerners.
Their understanding of scholarship is far richer in the North than ours.

They see scholarship as a true study of man and nature and they preoccupy themselves with reconciliation of the two. They do not see western education as a superior academy to their trsditional cult of madrasa teachings.

Can you imagine if Yoruba would see Ifa teachings as a better scholarship for us than western education?

I have got absolutely nothing to quibble here Mayor.
The question you posed at the very end of your post is one that fully resonates with me.

Question for all - Where do we locate the teachings of IFA in our reclamation efforts?
Is it possible to engender true Yoruba-renaissance without the underpinnings it affords us?

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 6:57pm On Nov 24, 2015
Katsumoto:


There will always be issues. The real issue stems from greed and ego.

Re-drawing state lines is a small issue. I actually believe that most African nations should re-draw their borders along homogenous boundaries similar to many European nations. Now, I am not saying that each Ethnic Group should have its own nation but where practical, boundaries should be re-drawn. In the short term, there will be pain but I believe in the long run, the benefits would outweigh the pain. Take a look at East Africa where Ethnic Groups cross borders to support their Ethnic Groups in other countries.

Considering that most of these states were created by military leaders, wouldn't it make sense for these issues to be re-visited? Can's these issues be reviewed together with the larger issue of the Structure of Nigeria?

It is time Nigerian legislathieves start earning some part of the obscene wages they are paid.

But of course, this is just a waste of time.

It will take a revolutionary energy stemming from conservatists to deliver such transformations. ...the type witnessed in the 60s when Agbekoya seized the Western Parliament and paralyzed government.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 7:06pm On Nov 24, 2015
CHRISTALLITE:

Ejo eran mi lowo!
Please help my future.

Christalite,
How much have you raised so far from this effort?

Is the govt aware of your efforts? I believe Lagos have a SOS slush fund that a Fashola dipped in occassionally to help Ibos. Your need should be brought to Ambode's attention.

I want to contribute to your fund but you can imagine that it could open channel for undesirable elements to abuse the assistance.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by modath(f): 7:11pm On Nov 24, 2015
MayorofLagos:


grin grin grin
Get some insurance and fortify yaself if you want to make it a duty to assault and flog monkees online...or even face to face.

Speaking about mamas...the ground commandos or the air formations? grin

Mayor, I don't even look their way, they are too hyperbolic, uncultured & so disconnected from reality, it is not even funny..... But I enable my sister with LIKES, that high definition chic is a beta pikin. wink


My mamas are abiyamo abi oja gborogboro, no air formation or broom jumping tinz.. tongue
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by OnReflection: 7:12pm On Nov 24, 2015
Kats,

I have been unable to locate the submissions made by our kindred from Kogi. At any rate, these were superseded by the conference resolutions copied in below.

5.10.2 INTERNAL BOUNDARIES
1. There is need for the Federal Government to embark on full scale sensitization program to address the challenges faced on the resolution of internal boundary disputes. Lack of political will on the part of some State Governments to support the implementation of the agreed boundary resolutions has hindered the success of the process;

2. Traditional institutions have key role to play in ensuring peaceful coexistence between border dwellers. They command respect and at such must be involved in the facilitation of the peace process;

3. On the issue of resource control, sole claims of resources that straddle interstate boundaries by one community or State have also created problems in the management of boundaries in Nigeria. In this regard it is hereby recommended that joint exploitation of cross-border resources be pursued;

4. A policy for equitable sharing of straddling resources between affected States and Local Government Areas, and Communities should be evolved and applied;

5. National Boundary Commission being an agency of the Federal Government charged with the responsibility of defining and determining the limits of the boundary should be strengthened and adequately funded to enable it discharge its responsibilities effectively and timely;

6. The National Boundary Commission’s mandate should be broadened to include recommendations on boundary adjustments where necessary and be given powers to implement its decisions, working in collaboration with the relevant authorities of States of the Federation; and

7. The Federal Government should ensure that approved boundaries are enforced.

5.10.3 ADJUSTMENT OF INTERNAL BOUNDARIES
1. Conference agreed that all stringent conditions should be removed from the Constitution so as to give effective implementation to the result of settlement of disputes over boundaries, and in response to credible application by communities for boundary adjustment;

2. In particular, Conference agreed that Section 8(2) of the Constitution should be expunged and replaced with the following provisions;

3. The boundary of any existing State(s) and Local Governments and shall be adjusted by the National Boundary Commission, which shall act upon receiving an application from the area requesting boundary adjustment, provided that:
i. the application is supported by relevant stakeholders from/representing the communities in the area demanding;
ii. the area concerned is geographically contiguous with the state to which the area will be adjusted;
iii. The proposal for adjustment is approved by a simple majority in a plebiscite conducted for residents of communities situated in
the area to be adjusted, provided that the receiving state agrees to accommodate the adjustment; and
iv. A National Boundary Tribunal should be established to adjudicate on boundary disputes.


5.10.4 In concluding its deliberations on Land Tenure Matters and National Boundaries, Conference observed that:
i. proper land management is essential for guaranteeing citizens’ and communities’ access to shelter, employment and for achieving food security
and other social conditions necessary for decent living. At the same time, land resources should constitute an important source of revenues for States of the Federation and other sub-national public authorities. Improvement of public revenues could enhance our common drive towards socio-economic development, including the provision of enabling public infrastructures. However, the achievement of these goals is hampered by the existing land management framework, which is governed by the Land Use (Decree) Act. The Act, which contains inconsistencies, has not been properly implemented. Moreover, the insertion of the Act in the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria has made its amendment impossible;

ii. Issues of proper delineation and delimitation of internal and external boundaries are important. The elimination of extra-rigid stipulations for
adjustment of internal boundaries, which have been drawn following colonial era frames, could have profound implications for security and the attainment of developmental objectives and social justice for individuals and communities, and the Nigerian nation at large; and

iii. While there is a general consensus in Nigeria on the imperative of reforming the current weak and contradictory land and boundary governance
frameworks, access to land is an issue of rights, and that land administration should recognise the importance of strengthening the federating States as building blocks of a united Nigeria.

Whatever we think of Jonathan's hurriedly assembled conference, it actually did provide a framework for regionalism-lite.
Why aren't we pressuring the party at the centre to follow through with those recommendations, as advised by Afenifere? sad
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 7:24pm On Nov 24, 2015
OnReflection

Thanks for that. It would appear that the groundwork has been done already. All that remains is for the appropriate reps/senators to politic to bring this to actualization in their respective states.

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by OnReflection: 7:43pm On Nov 24, 2015
Katsumoto:
OnReflection

Thanks for that. It would appear that the groundwork has been done already. All that remains is for the appropriate reps/senators to politic to bring this to actualization in their respective states.

Do the following resolutions not speak to our yearning for regionalism?

5.12 POLITICAL RESTRUCTURING AND FORMS OF GOVERNMENT

1. FEDERALISM
Conference agreed that Federalism denotes a political arrangement in which a country is made up of component parts otherwise called Federating Units. Thus in a Federation, political powers are constitutionally shared between the central government and the federating units. These powers basically, represent the functions of each tier of the federation.

Conference also noted the inherent advantages of a federal system of government in a heterogenous society such as ours. These
include:

- the sustenance of unity in diversity;
- expanded opportunities for the various peoples, including minority groups, to participate in the governance of the country; thus minimizing the fears of domination and/or marginalization among minority groups. It also and promotes broad-based development

Consequently, Conference unanimously resolved as follows:

1. Nigeria shall retain a Federal system of Government;
2. The core elements of the Federation shall be as follows:
i. A Federal (Central) Government with States as the federating units; and
ii. Without prejudice to States constituting the federating units, States that wish to merge may do so in accordance with the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria (as amended).

Provided that:
(a) A two-thirds majority of all members in each of the Houses of Assembly of each of the States, in which such merger is proposed,
support by resolution, the merger;
(b) a Referendum is conducted in each of the States proposing to merge with 75% of the eligible voters in each of those States approving the
merger;
(c) the National Assembly, by resolution passed by a simple majority of membership, approves of the merger; and
(d) States that decide to merge shall also reserve the right to demerge following the same procedure and processes for merger.


2. REGIONALISM
At independence in 1960, Nigeria had three regions and by 1964 had added a fourth region. All four were autonomous but subordinated
only to the Federal Constitution. Then came the military in 1966 when aspects of the Federal Constitution were suspended leading to the
creation of 12 states, (six in the north and six in the south) in answer to political exigencies including the protection of minority rights;

More states were created to satisfy the yearnings of various ethnic nationalities which fear domination by some others. Nigeria now has 36 States plus the Federal Capital Territory. In spite of this subsisting arrangement, there continues to be demands for the creation
of more States.

After extensive consideration of Regionalism/Zones, Conference decided as follows:
(i) The States shall be the federating units; and
(ii)Any group of States may create a self-funding Zonal Commission to promote economic development, good governance, equity, peace and security in accordance with the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria (as amended).

So why are all Yoruba chieftains in the current government oblivious to this document?
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by CHRISTALLITE: 7:48pm On Nov 24, 2015
MayorofLagos:


Christalite,
How much have you raised so far from this effort?

Is the govt aware of your efforts? I believe Lagos have a SOS slush fund that a Fashola dipped in occassionally to help Ibos. Your need should be brought to Ambode's attention.

I want to contribute to your fund but you can imagine that it could open channel for undesirable elements to abuse the assistance.
Sir,sincerely I haven't raise anything tangible.

No,the government is not aware.
I am a Yoruba indigene.

Sir,you are right,there could be others who would tend to follow suit,but presently it seems I am the only one clamouring for help,I wouldn't have gone public,if I have the means,but Sir,I have gotten no means.
But do kindly help me out.
If anyone come again for assistance, if you can,you could help them,but if you are not chanced,I believe they would find help elsewhere by GOD'S Grace.

Sir,in anyway you can help me,I will surely appreciate it Sir.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 7:57pm On Nov 24, 2015
zimoni:


Okay Sir.

I believe it's wrong for the Biafrans to protest in Lagos. I believe they are only looking for trouble, they want to involve us in their agitation which I believe does not concern us.

I don't know where I got it wrong.

Thanks.

My brother i probably preempted your intent. Accept my apology.

I thought you were saying to accomodate their planned march but not oppose it for the risk it would degenerate into face off.

My bad!
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 8:07pm On Nov 24, 2015
CHRISTALLITE:

Sir,sincerely I haven't raise anything tangible.

No,the government is not aware.
I am a Yoruba indigene.

Sir,you are right,there could be others who would tend to follow suit,but presently it seems I am the only one clamouring for help,I wouldn't have gone public,if I have the means,but Sir,I have gotten no means.
But do kindly help me out.
If anyone come again for assistance, if you can,you could help them,but if you are not chanced,I believe they would find help elsewhere by GOD'S Grace.

Sir,in anyway you can help me,I will surely appreciate it Sir.

I understand, there is no need to placate me. First of all, im not a sir.

If govt is told about you they will invite you in and give proper interview to collect info and assess your needs, not just your ability to pay for enrollment but also your maintenance and future needs to complete undergrad program. Each state has scholarship program to care for situations like this.

If they call you to go to a govt agency, are you able to? Have you applied for scholarship?
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 8:10pm On Nov 24, 2015
OnReflection:


Do the following resolutions not speak to our yearning for regionalism?



So why are all Yoruba chieftains in the current government oblivious to this document?

Excellent question

Simple answer - Because Yoruba chieftains can't put the Yoruba interests above their selfish interests.

Merging of states would solve this issue of bloated civil services.
Why can't Ogun merge Lagos, Oyo with Osun, and Ondo with Ekiti?

Have three big states with more autonomous LGs for outreach to citizens?

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 8:16pm On Nov 24, 2015
modath:


Mayor, I don't even look their way, they are too hyperbolic, uncultured & so disconnected from reality, it is not even funny..... But I enable my sister with LIKES, that high definition chic is a beta pikin. wink


My mamas are abiyamo abi oja gborogboro, no air formation or broom jumping tinz.. tongue

Lmao. grin
I had to ask. Theres no shame in "Awon Iyami Oshoronga's" business, not after watching Avatar and see how white people glamorize flying through "Igbo Irunmole" on the back of "egbere". cheesy cheesy

Respect fun Awon Iya jare!

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 8:19pm On Nov 24, 2015
Katsumoto:


Excellent question

Simple answer - Because Yoruba chieftains can't put the Yoruba interests above their selfish interests.

Merging of states would solve this issue of bloated civil services.
Why can't Ogun merge Lagos, Oyo with Osun, and Ondo with Ekiti?

Have three big states with more autonomous LGs for outreach to citizens?


You want to merge Lagos with where

You must first pay me, Mayor, omo onile fees. grin

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