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If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:59pm On Nov 06, 2015
If Jesus is called the Son of God, do you think that makes Him God? Muslims often misunderstand the term, "Son of God," to mean that God literally had sexual relations with Mary to produce Jesus. Is that what the term means?

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Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Aceed: 1:05pm On Nov 06, 2015
What makes God God is because of what He can do and if Jesus is His only begotten Son, it means He inherits all that makes God God, making Him God also!







SE FINI!

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Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Highcuerayte: 1:08pm On Nov 06, 2015
Man beget man,Bird begets bird. What God beget is God.

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Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by ninovandross(m): 1:15pm On Nov 06, 2015
OLAADEGBU:
If Jesus is called the Son of God, do you think that makes Him God? Muslims often misunderstand the term, "Son of God," to mean that God literally had sexual relations with Mary to produce Jesus. Is that what the term means?
then why in a christain teaching I think the catholic, they say smthing like holy mary mother of God, and we know that jesus is her son so they are calling him God
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by ninovandross(m): 1:17pm On Nov 06, 2015
Aceed:
What makes God God is because of what He can do and if Jesus is His only begotten Son, it means He inherits all that makes God God, making Him God also!







SE FINI!
so in other words we have 2 Gods then. There is the original God and the jesus God right, so wic one do u worship smiley
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Scholar8200(m): 1:32pm On Nov 06, 2015
The following verses should clarify things

Hebrews 1:8
But about the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.

John 1:1,2,18 (AMP)
In the beginning [before all time] was the Word ([a]Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself. 2 He was [continually existing] in the beginning [co-eternally] with God.
No one has seen God [His essence, His divine nature] at any time; the [One and] only begotten God [that is, the unique Son] who is in the intimate presence of the Father, He has explained Him [and interpreted and revealed the awesome wonder of the Father].

What of the Old Testament?

Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a [b]son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

The Son is also the Mighty God!

If one claims this was the Father, then consider this:


http://biblehub.com/interlinear/isaiah/9-6.htm

Father is omitted in the Hebrew meaning the use thereof was implied as a result of the general use of the word, 'abiad' being followed by Father. Besides, that Joseph described himself as a father to Pharaoh (GEnesis 45:8.) being his second-in-command tells us what it means that Jesus was described , impliedly, as Father.

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Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Aceed: 1:32pm On Nov 06, 2015
ninovandross:
so in other words we have 2 Gods then. There is the original God and the jesus God right, so wic one do u worship smiley

When Abraham beget Isaac did we have two Abrahams?
No, but you will agree with me that a time came that if any visitor/subject wanted to speak with Abraham that person would have to go through Isaac.

My illustration is just a perspective.

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Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:41pm On Nov 06, 2015
Aceed:


What makes God God is because of what He can do and if Jesus is His only begotten Son, it means He inherits all that makes God God, making Him God also!







SE FINI!

How will you explain the term 'Son of God'? How is Jesus the only begotten Son of God?
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:44pm On Nov 06, 2015
Highcuerayte:


Man beget man,Bird begets bird. What God beget is God.

Does the diagram below explain it?

Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Highcuerayte: 1:45pm On Nov 06, 2015
OLAADEGBU:


Does the diagram below explain it?
I quite don't understand that diagram
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:47pm On Nov 06, 2015
ninovandross:


then why in a christain teaching I think the catholic, they say smthing like holy mary mother of God, and we know that jesus is her son so they are calling him God

They caused the Muslims to confuse that terminology. They now think that trinity consists of the Father, Son and Mary. undecided
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:49pm On Nov 06, 2015
ninovandross:


so in other words we have 2 Gods then. There is the original God and the jesus God right, so wic one do u worship smiley

There is only One God in three Persons.

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Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:57pm On Nov 06, 2015
Scholar8200:


The following verses should clarify things

Hebrews 1:8
But about the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.

John 1:1,2,18 (AMP)
In the beginning [before all time] was the Word ([a]Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself. 2 He was [continually existing] in the beginning [co-eternally] with God.
No one has seen God [His essence, His divine nature] at any time; the [One and] only begotten God [that is, the unique Son] who is in the intimate presence of the Father, He has explained Him [and interpreted and revealed the awesome wonder of the Father].

What of the Old Testament?

Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a [b]son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

The Son is also the Mighty God!

If one claims this was the Father, then consider this:


http://biblehub.com/interlinear/isaiah/9-6.htm

Father is omitted in the Hebrew meaning the use thereof was implied as a result of the general use of the word, 'abiad' being followed by Father. Besides, that Joseph described himself as a father to Pharaoh (GEnesis 45:8.) being his second-in-command tells us what it means that Jesus was described , impliedly, as Father.

Way to go! cheesy

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Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:59pm On Nov 06, 2015
Highcuerayte:


I quite don't understand that diagram

What humans begets is human and what God begets is God. Check the second diagram I posted.
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Aceed: 2:03pm On Nov 06, 2015
OLAADEGBU:


How will you explain the term 'Son of God'? How is Jesus the only begotten Son of God?

Son of God means a man is of God.

Why I used "begotten" is because we are all sons of God but that doesn't put us in the same category as Jesus/God but the Bible refers to us as gods.

Begotten is the past of beget. Now, beget means "to give rise to". So, if Jesus is the only begotten Son of God it means He "stems" from God making Him part of God, making Him God. Therefore, from the meaning of beget, you can see that we are not begotten, i.e we did not "stem" from God; but created.

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Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:13pm On Nov 06, 2015
Aceed:


Son of God means a man is of God.

Why I used "begotten" is because we are all sons of God but that doesn't put us in the same category as Jesus/God but the Bible refers to us as gods.

Are you not falling into the temptation satan used in deceiving Eve when he said we will be like God?

Aceed:


Begotten is the past of beget. Now, beget means "to give rise to". So, if Jesus is the only begotten Son of God it means He "stems" from God making Him part of God, making Him God. Therefore, from the meaning of beget, you can see that we are not begotten, i.e we did not "stem" from God; but created.

So Jesus is begotten not created. Good. wink

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Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Jozzy4: 2:22pm On Nov 06, 2015
Highcuerayte:
Man beget man,Bird begets bird. What God beget is God.


Man and bird beget through sexual intercourse , how did God beget ?
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Aceed: 2:23pm On Nov 06, 2015
OLAADEGBU:


Are you not falling into the temptation satan used in deceiving Eve when he said we will be like God?

I have a question, who are we going to be like if we are to rapture or enter heaven?


And I believe that if Adam and Eve had eaten from the tree of life, man would be more of God than we are today.
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:26pm On Nov 06, 2015
Jozzy4:


Man and bird beget through sexual intercourse , how did God beget ?

Good question. cool
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:31pm On Nov 06, 2015
Aceed:


I have a question, who are we going to be like if we are to rapture or enter heaven?

I know we are going to be like Jesus, but does that mean we are going to become omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent like God?

Aceed:


And I believe that if Adam and Eve had eaten from the tree of life, man would be more of God than we are today.

What would be the difference between our first parents and God if they had eaten from the tree of life?
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Jozzy4: 2:32pm On Nov 06, 2015
OLAADEGBU:


How will you explain the term 'Son of God'?

The Father and God of Jesus is never called "son of God " because he is UNcreated , .. That term simply denote everyone created by God nd with whom he has relationship with , even angels are called sons of God including Jesus !!!


How is Jesus the only begotten Son of God?

Simply because he is the only one directly created by his GOD ND FATHER , " FirstBORN of all Creation " Col 1:15 , other sons are created thru him ( Col 1:16)
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by uboma(m): 2:32pm On Nov 06, 2015
OLAADEGBU:

There is only One God in three Persons.

Kindly explain how there is only one God in three persons.
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by uboma(m): 2:38pm On Nov 06, 2015
Jozzy4:


The Father and God of Jesus is never called "son of God " because he is UNcreated , .. That term simply denote everyone created by God , even angels are called sons of God including Jesus !!!



Simply because he is the only one directly created by his GOD ND FATHER , " FirstBORN of all Creation " Col 1:15 , other sons are created thru him ( Col 1:16)


You are on point.

The Bible reported that Jesus Christ was the first born of all creation from the above scripture.
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by uboma(m): 2:46pm On Nov 06, 2015
Aceed:


Son of God means a man is of God.

Why I used "begotten" is because we are all sons of God but that doesn't put us in the same category as Jesus/God but the Bible refers to us as gods.

Begotten is the past of beget. Now, beget means "to give rise to". So, if Jesus is the only begotten Son of God it means He "stems" from God making Him part of God, making Him God. Therefore, from the meaning of beget, you can see that we are not begotten, i.e we did not "stem" from God; but created.


Jesus Christ was also created by God. The Bible refers to him as the first born of all creation.
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Scholar8200(m): 2:54pm On Nov 06, 2015
uboma:



Jesus Christ was also created by God. The Bible refers to him as the first born of all creation.
But it clearly says that He is the First BORN (not first creation) but that He the First Born created all things. The passage differentiates being born and being created/made.
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:57pm On Nov 06, 2015
Jozzy4:


The Father and God of Jesus is never called "son of God " because he is UNcreated , .. That term simply denote everyone created by God nd with whom he has relationship with , even angels are called sons of God including Jesus !!!

There are sons of God= created beings and there is the Only begotten Son of God. Do you know the difference between created and begotten?

Jozzy4:


Simply because he is the only one directly created by his GOD ND FATHER , " FirstBORN of all Creation " Col 1:15 , other sons are created thru him ( Col 1:16)

Go further and read verse 17 and you will discover that it says that Jesus is the firstborn over all creation, it did not say firstborn in creation there is a difference.

Read the thread that addresses this question.==> https://www.nairaland.com/2012194/how-eternal-son-god-firstborn

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Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:00pm On Nov 06, 2015
uboma:



Kindly explain how there is only one God in three persons.

The doctrine of the Godhead affirms that there is only One God and that in the unity of the Godhead there are 3 coequal and coeternal Persons, namely, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as depicted in the graphics posted earlier. smiley

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Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Jessicha(f): 3:20pm On Nov 06, 2015
Scholar8200:
But it clearly says that He is the First BORN (not first creation)

O ga o , you took "firstborn" alone , where do you throw the next line that set the record straight . Not just firstborn but " firstborn of all creation " , firstborn of isreal is born of isreal , isnt it ? Why is the firstborn OF CREATION difficult for you to accept as the first BORN OF CREATION ?


but that He the First Born created all things. The passage differentiates being born and being created/made.

Hahaha , lol ; he was born but not created abi ? Explain to us how he was born
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Highcuerayte: 3:31pm On Nov 06, 2015
Jozzy4:


Man and bird beget through sexual intercourse , how did God beget ?
Your question lack coherency.

You can't have right answers to wrong questions.

Always learn to ask right questions.
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Highcuerayte: 3:34pm On Nov 06, 2015
OLAADEGBU:


What humans begs is human and what God begs is God. Check the second diagram I posted.
I get it.
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Scholar8200(m): 3:35pm On Nov 06, 2015
Jessicha:


O ga o , you took "firstborn" alone , where do you throw the next line that set the record straight . Not just firstborn but " firstborn of all creation " , firstborn of isreal is born of isreal , isnt it ? Why is the firstborn OF CREATION difficult for you to accept as the first BORN OF CREATION ?



Hahaha , lol ; he was born but not created abi ? Explain to us how he was born

15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Then how come He is the First born of the creatures He created?? Why did it not read that by Him were all things born (since you imply that born = created)

See
http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/3-16.htm

For the meaning of Monogene (Only Begotten) see:
http://biblehub.com/strongs/greek/3439.htm
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Jessicha(f): 3:38pm On Nov 06, 2015
OLAADEGBU:


There are sons of God= created beings and there is the Only begotten Son of God. Do you know the difference between created and begotten?

Jozzy has explained this earlier but let me add a few point :

Begotten : to cause to exist .

Isaac is called the " only begotten son" of Abraham [heb 11:17] , how was Isaac begotten or cause to exist ? Through sexual intercourse .

Now can you please tell us how Jesus was begotten ?




Go further and read verse 17 and you will discover that it says that Jesus is the firstborn over all creation, it did not say firstborn in creation there is a difference.


Firstborn OF all creation not firstborn over .. gerarahere

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