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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Sarang(f): 6:53pm On Nov 08, 2015
alexis:


Really? Care to share


Well Jesus said it himself,My Father is greater than I am.
Jesus has a father and he prayed to his father to glorify him alongside the glory he had before.
I will ask you,dont you have a father? Are you your Father?
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Deandean: 6:53pm On Nov 08, 2015
deeptesting:
They have their internal issues like every other religious body. They are dogged and fanatical about their doctrines even though majority of them do not practice what they preach. their beliefs and doctrine is narrow minded.

For instance they believe JW is the only true religion and pretty sure if God`s Kingdom should come today only the 8 Million JWs in the world as mentioned by the OP if found not wanting will inherit the earth out of which the remnants of the 144,000 who will rule as kings and priest with Christ will be taken from. Now, look around the world and think of other fantastic people who belongs to other religious body,what will be their fate?

Would they be condemn to destruction? Or they will be assimilated and then re-thought the doctrine of the JWs?
yea,seriously ur right...but think of it,b4 God destroyed sodom,Canaan,Noah's contemporaries,Jerusalem, d house of Saul,etc ul notice a similarity in d way he did it
1.He identified himself with a single group(b it a nation,a family or a group) to whc he reels out ito information of His requirement 4 approval and survival,individuals Wu so wish to survive had to join His approved group n not try to gain his approval independently (eg Jewish proselyte s,d wives of noah'sons,d harlot of Canaan)etc
2.there was never a case of hasty generalization (He takes note of individual in good standing in a continent of evil doers)however,He once saved just 8 souls out of d entire human race,so 8million z a lump.....
But does that mean we judge or condemn U as unfit 4 survival,Nope!!!! Only God decides,while we humbly n modestly acknowledge our failings,(we sin too)we bring to ur notice God's achievable requirements 4 survival.we love U n can't stop coming.

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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Achorise: 6:53pm On Nov 08, 2015
I was a member, but when I met Jesus, my life changed, in my family everybody has left the organization left with my mum alone, I tell you ,we have found true happiness and joy in the holy spirit, and experience d personal encounter with God, not based on human intelligence or drawn and been controlled by one magazine or group in Pennsylvania. Hell fie is real.

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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by bluraygraphix(m): 6:54pm On Nov 08, 2015
Warlord3000:
Best magazine ever is AWAKE...

Always looking forward to it every Sunday and maybe reserve 50 bucks as donation wink cos what I gain from the science or travels researches are quite priceless smiley

Thanks for ur interest........ But some how sadly from Jan. 2016, awake is gonna be coming once in two months
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by alexis(m): 6:55pm On Nov 08, 2015
Jessicha:


Jesus is God , in what sense ? Do you mean Almighty God ? Thats A NO!!!! Because scripture reveal Jesus himself HAVE A GOD under whom he is subjected to ( 1 cor 15 : 24 - 28 )


I responded to this several times, here it is again:

https://www.nairaland.com/2720878/jehovahs-witnesses-17-facts-people/6#39812913
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by DebbyChris(f): 6:56pm On Nov 08, 2015
[quote author=Jessicha post=39812729] Jesus was yet to come when the likes of Moses, David, Noah was on earth but they made heaven by faith and righteousness. Jesus has come and gone and if you must make heaven you surely have to pass through Jesus.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Nnaabros: 6:56pm On Nov 08, 2015
alexis:


You should read your Bible more as it is pointed clearly why Jesus doesn't equate Himself with God. It's covered perfectly Philippians 2:5-11, it reads:

5. Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus
6. who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God "a thing to be grasped"
7. but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men
8. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
9. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name
10. so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11. and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

If that is not clear, here is God the Father i.e. Jehovah calling Jesus God:

Hebrews 1:8: "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom"

The issue then is why would Jesus say - The Father is greater than I. The answer is quite simple: Subservience in role does not equate to subservience in essence - let me explain.

Consider an employer/employee relationship. The employer has the right to make demands of the employee, and the employee has the obligation to serve the employer. The roles clearly define a subservient relationship. However, both people are still human beings and share in the same human nature. There is no difference between the two as to their essence; they stand as equals. The fact that one is an employer and the other is an employee does nothing to alter the essential equality of these two individuals as human beings. The same can be said of the members of the Trinity. All three members (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) are essentially equal; i.e., they are all divine in nature. However, in the grand plan of redemption, they play certain roles, and these roles define authority and subservience. The Father commands the Son, and the Father and the Son command the Holy Spirit.

It is stated clearly in the Bible:

1 John:5:7: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one"

I hope this clears it up for you

Does the fact that worship is given to Jesus prove that he is God?

At Hebrews 1:6, the angels are instructed to “worship” Jesus, according to the rendering of RS, TEV, KJ, JB, and NAB. NW says “do obeisance to.” At Matthew 14:33, Jesus’ disciples are said to have “worshiped” him, according to RS, TEV, KJ; other translations say that they “showed him reverence” (NAB), “bowed down before him” (JB), “fell at his feet” (NE), “did obeisance to him” (NW).
The Greek word rendered “worship” is pro·sky·neʹo, which A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature says was also “used to designate the custom of prostrating oneself before a person and kissing his feet, the hem of his garment, the ground.” (Chicago, 1979, Bauer, Arndt, Gingrich, Danker; second English edition; p. 716) This is the term used at Matthew 14:33 to express what the disciples did toward Jesus; at Hebrews 1:6 to indicate what the angels are to do toward Jesus; at Genesis 22:5 in the Greek Septuagint to describe what Abraham did toward Jehovah and at Genesis 23:7 to describe what Abraham did, in harmony with the custom of the time, toward people with whom he was doing business; at 1 Kings 1:23 in the Septuagint to describe the prophet Nathan’s action on approaching King David.
At Matthew 4:10 (RS), Jesus said: “You shall worship [from pro·sky·neʹo] the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.” (At Deuteronomy 6:13, which Jesus is evidently here quoting, appears the personal name of God, the Tetragrammaton.) In harmony with that, we must understand that it is pro·sky·neʹo with a particular attitude of heart and mind that should be directed only toward God.

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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Sarang(f): 6:56pm On Nov 08, 2015
Achorise:
I was a member, but when I met Jesus, my life changed, in my family everybody has left the organization left with my mum alone, I tell you ,we have found true happiness and joy in the holy spirit, and experience d personal encounter with God, not based on human intelligence or drawn and been controlled by one magazine or group in Pennsylvania. Hell fie is real.


Really? How did you meet Jesus?

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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by gasgenius(m): 6:56pm On Nov 08, 2015
Jessicha:


Jesus is God , in what sense ? Do you mean Almighty God ? Thats A NO!!!! Because scripture reveal Jesus himself HAVE A GOD under whom he is subjected to ( 1 cor 15 : 24 - 28 )

In John 8:58, Jesus tells the Pharisees, "Before Abraham was, I am."
He claimed to be the "I AM" of Exodus 3:14, which is God Almighty.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Warlord3000(m): 6:57pm On Nov 08, 2015
bluraygraphix:


Thanks for ur interest........ But some how sadly from Jan. 2016, awake is gonna be coming once in two months


Haaaa.... Kilode shocked
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dacovajnr: 6:57pm On Nov 08, 2015
IlesanmiG:
yes, son of God and also God. dont look for logic in this cos you'd find none.
I defy logic coz this isn't about logic...am still insisting that Jesus is lord not God
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jephz(m): 6:57pm On Nov 08, 2015
menxer:


OK. Now that you use all your strength to serve God, by preaching the Gospel, who takes care of the social/utility services, and other functions of government?

I bet many JW are in government employment, yet without allegiance. No wonder our government is not working.

JW would just be an utopia going by your argument
.. thank u sir ..to knw more visit our website and ask any question concerning what u don't understand....
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by alexis(m): 6:58pm On Nov 08, 2015
Sarang:



Well Jesus said it himself,My Father is greater than I am.
Jesus has a father and he prayed to his father to glorify him alongside the glory he had before.
I will ask you,dont you have a father? Are you your Father?

I have a Father and I am not my Father but my Father and I are human beings. Enough about me and my father, Here is what God the Father said about Jesus:

Hebrews 1:8: "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom".

Here God the Father is calling the Son, Jesus, “God”. Can you tell me why God the Father will call Jesus God?

The issue then is why would Jesus say - The Father is greater than I. The answer is quite simple: Subservience in role does not equate to subservience in essence - let me explain.

Consider an employer/employee relationship. The employer has the right to make demands of the employee, and the employee has the obligation to serve the employer. The roles clearly define a subservient relationship. However, both people are still human beings and share in the same human nature. There is no difference between the two as to their essence; they stand as equals. The fact that one is an employer and the other is an employee does nothing to alter the essential equality of these two individuals as human beings. The same can be said of the members of the Trinity. All three members (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) are essentially equal; i.e., they are all divine in nature. However, in the grand plan of redemption, they play certain roles, and these roles define authority and subservience. The Father commands the Son, and the Father and the Son command the Holy Spirit.

It is stated clearly in the Bible:

1 John:5:7: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one"

Can you please respond?
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by louiscol: 6:58pm On Nov 08, 2015
[quote author=major466 post=39794903]Unfortunately Jehovah's witness's core doctrine contradicts the doctrines of#i don't like them because they don't believe in the holy Trinity and they don't believe that Jesus is God.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jessicha(f): 6:59pm On Nov 08, 2015
Sarang:

4where! cheesy

My brother , truth is light

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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by alexis(m): 6:59pm On Nov 08, 2015
Jephz:
thank you ...I quoted u bcus u said God should forgive me my sin as if I said a wrong tin

I never said such, can you tell me or quote where I said such?
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Sarang(f): 7:01pm On Nov 08, 2015
alexis:


I have a Father and I am not my Father but my Father and I are human beings. Enough about me and my father, Here is what God the Father said about Jesus:

Hebrews 1:8: "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom".

Here God the Father is calling the Son, Jesus, “God”. Can you tell me why God the Father will call Jesus God?

The issue then is why would Jesus say - The Father is greater than I. The answer is quite simple: Subservience in role does not equate to subservience in essence - let me explain.

Consider an employer/employee relationship. The employer has the right to make demands of the employee, and the employee has the obligation to serve the employer. The roles clearly define a subservient relationship. However, both people are still human beings and share in the same human nature. There is no difference between the two as to their essence; they stand as equals. The fact that one is an employer and the other is an employee does nothing to alter the essential equality of these two individuals as human beings. The same can be said of the members of the Trinity. All three members (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) are essentially equal; i.e., they are all divine in nature. However, in the grand plan of redemption, they play certain roles, and these roles define authority and subservience. The Father commands the Son, and the Father and the Son command the Holy Spirit.

It is stated clearly in the Bible:

1 John:5:7: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one"

Can you please respond?


I will respond with a question..bear with me.

1cor 4:4 "The god of this System of things...

Here the bible refered to Satan as a god too.

Is Satan God?
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by EVILFOREST: 7:01pm On Nov 08, 2015
bluraygraphix:


Thanks for ur interest........ But some how sadly from Jan. 2016, awake is gonna be coming once in two months
Why.. .?
IF it's something that has to do with SPONSORSHIP.
I can pledge some amount of cash to see it continue on monthly basis.
PLEASE.. .! !!
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by essa9davies4(f): 7:01pm On Nov 08, 2015
I admire their zealousness but I don't Believe in their doctrine#
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Freksy(m): 7:02pm On Nov 08, 2015
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jephz(m): 7:02pm On Nov 08, 2015
alexis:


I never said such, can you tell me or quote where I said such?
sorry this reply wasn't for u ...twas a mistake ...twas meant for d one who said "may God forgive me my sin" .....sorry
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by bettermike: 7:02pm On Nov 08, 2015
Guys, if you like yourself, run! From jevovah witnesses. Run and don't look back!!

This was the advice one their members gave me. Ofcourse, I didn't listen at first and I regretted it big time.

They are the true definition of secret cult. I mean devil's cult.

You have been warned.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by alexis(m): 7:02pm On Nov 08, 2015
Nnaabros:


Does the fact that worship is given to Jesus prove that he is God?

At Hebrews 1:6, the angels are instructed to “worship” Jesus, according to the rendering of RS, TEV, KJ, JB, and NAB. NW says “do obeisance to.” At Matthew 14:33, Jesus’ disciples are said to have “worshiped” him, according to RS, TEV, KJ; other translations say that they “showed him reverence” (NAB), “bowed down before him” (JB), “fell at his feet” (NE), “did obeisance to him” (NW).
The Greek word rendered “worship” is pro·sky·neʹo, which A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature says was also “used to designate the custom of prostrating oneself before a person and kissing his feet, the hem of his garment, the ground.” (Chicago, 1979, Bauer, Arndt, Gingrich, Danker; second English edition; p. 716) This is the term used at Matthew 14:33 to express what the disciples did toward Jesus; at Hebrews 1:6 to indicate what the angels are to do toward Jesus; at Genesis 22:5 in the Greek Septuagint to describe what Abraham did toward Jehovah and at Genesis 23:7 to describe what Abraham did, in harmony with the custom of the time, toward people with whom he was doing business; at 1 Kings 1:23 in the Septuagint to describe the prophet Nathan’s action on approaching King David.
At Matthew 4:10 (RS), Jesus said: “You shall worship [from pro·sky·neʹo] the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.” (At Deuteronomy 6:13, which Jesus is evidently here quoting, appears the personal name of God, the Tetragrammaton.) In harmony with that, we must understand that it is pro·sky·neʹo with a particular attitude of heart and mind that should be directed only toward God.

Where did I mention worship. I quoted specific verses and instead you you addressing them, you didn't.

Why would God the father call Jesus God?

Hebrews 1:8: "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom"

Can you please answer that?
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Theultimate(m): 7:02pm On Nov 08, 2015
naughtynaughty:
awww I jxt luv u alrdy wit dis comment. #kisskisskisskisskiss

Thanks.
I grabbed the kissing aspect there though. #smile
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by bluraygraphix(m): 7:03pm On Nov 08, 2015
aprokomania:

.
you say you are 8 million in the world and 1 in 455 Nigerians are witnesses and 1 in 262 Americans.
using simple ratio, you will see that these statistics don't match up.
They can't much because u don't have all d facts, u just saw a ratio of 2 countries out of about 236 countries of the world where there are Jehovahs witnesses........ We are a worldwide brotherhood
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jessicha(f): 7:03pm On Nov 08, 2015
[quote author=DebbyChris post=39813332][/quote]

SO David and moses make heaven without Jesus ? Yes Or No

They Make Heaven without a saviour ? shocked shocked

How can Jesus claim to die for the whole WORLD if some humans make heaven without him dying for them ? pls explain
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Sarang(f): 7:04pm On Nov 08, 2015
bettermike:
Guys, if you like yourself, run! From jevovah witnesses. Run and don't look back!!

This was the advice one their members gave me. Ofcourse, I didn't listen at first and I regretted it big time.

They are the true definition of secret cult. I mean devil's cult.

You have been warned.


I am surprised.

But it happens.. people are sometimes like that. Heresay.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by alexis(m): 7:05pm On Nov 08, 2015
Sarang:



I will respond with a question..bear with me.

1cor 4:4 "The god of this System of things...

Here the bible refered to Satan as a god too.

Is Satan God?

I am not sure what you are referring to. 1 Corinthians 4:4 says = For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justify but he that judgeth me is the Lord. Can you please confirm what verse and chapter you are referring to?
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Megateq(m): 7:06pm On Nov 08, 2015
achorladey:
The simplest of answer for Trinity is found in John 3:16 For God(Jehovah) so love the world that he gave his only begotten son(Jesus]....... So hw all of a sudden he becomes Father again. last time I checked it is impossible for God to lie.
That's point
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by gasgenius(m): 7:06pm On Nov 08, 2015
The Jehovah's Witness organization has produced its own bogus version of the Bible. This version is called the New World Translation. It contains deliberate changes to many verses of Scripture. These changes try to hide the fact that Jehovah's Witness teaching is unbiblical and false.
A Comparison of the Bible an
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by alexis(m): 7:06pm On Nov 08, 2015
Jephz:
sorry this reply wasn't for u ...twas a mistake ...twas meant for d one who said "may God forgive me my sin" .....sorry

No shaking grin

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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Nnaabros: 7:07pm On Nov 08, 2015
alexis:


You should read your Bible more as it is pointed clearly why Jesus doesn't equate Himself with God. It's covered perfectly Philippians 2:5-11, it reads:

5. Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus
6. who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God "a thing to be grasped"
7. but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men
8. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
9. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name
10. so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11. and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

If that is not clear, here is God the Father i.e. Jehovah calling Jesus God:

Hebrews 1:8: "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom"

The issue then is why would Jesus say - The Father is greater than I. The answer is quite simple: Subservience in role does not equate to subservience in essence - let me explain.

Consider an employer/employee relationship. The employer has the right to make demands of the employee, and the employee has the obligation to serve the employer. The roles clearly define a subservient relationship. However, both people are still human beings and share in the same human nature. There is no difference between the two as to their essence; they stand as equals. The fact that one is an employer and the other is an employee does nothing to alter the essential equality of these two individuals as human beings. The same can be said of the members of the Trinity. All three members (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) are essentially equal; i.e., they are all divine in nature. However, in the grand plan of redemption, they play certain roles, and these roles define authority and subservience. The Father commands the Son, and the Father and the Son command the Holy Spirit.

It is stated clearly in the Bible:

1 John:5:7: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one"

I hope this clears it up for you

Hebrews 1:8:

RS reads:“Of the Son he says, ‘Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever.’”
(KJ, NE, TEV, Dy, JB, NAB have similar renderings.) However, NW reads: “But with reference to the Son: ‘God is your throne forever and ever.’” (AT, Mo, TC, By convey the same idea.)

Which rendering is harmonious with the context? The preceding verses say that God is speaking, not that he is being addressed; and the following verse uses the expression “God, thy God,” showing that the one addressed is not the Most High God but is a worshiper of that God. Hebrews 1:8 quotes from Psalm 45:6, which originally was addressed to a human king of Israel. Obviously, the Bible writer of this psalm did not think that this human king was Almighty God. Rather, Psalm 45:6, in RS, reads “Your divine throne.” (NE says, “Your throne is like God’s throne.” JP [verse 7]: “Thy throne given of God.”) Solomon, who was possibly the king originally addressed in Psalm 45, was said to sit “upon Jehovah’s throne.” (1 Chron. 29:23, NW) In harmony with the fact that God is the “throne,” or Source and Upholder of Christ’s kingship, Daniel 7:13, 14 and Luke 1:32 show that God confers such authority on him.

Hebrews 1:8, 9 quotes from Psalm 45:6, 7, concerning which the Bible scholar B. F. Westcott states: “The LXX. admits of two renderings: [ho the·osʹ] can be taken as a vocative in both cases (Thy throne, O God, . . . therefore, O God, Thy God . . . ) or it can be taken as the subject (or the predicate) in the first case (God is Thy throne, or Thy throne is God . . . ), and in apposition to [ho the·osʹ sou] in the second case (Therefore God, even Thy God . . . ). . . . It is scarcely possible that [’Elo·himʹ] in the original can be addressed to the king. The presumption therefore is against the belief that [ho the·osʹ] is a vocative in the LXX. Thus on the whole it seems best to adopt in the first clause the rendering: God is Thy throne (or, Thy throne is God), that is ‘Thy kingdom is founded upon God, the immovable Rock.’”—The Epistle to the Hebrews (London, 1889), pp. 25, 26.

1Johnn 5:7, 8:

KJ reads: “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.”
(Dy also includes this Trinitarian passage.) However, NW does not include the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth.” (RS, NE, TEV, JB, NAB also leave out the Trinitarian passage.)

Regarding this Trinitarian passage, textual critic F. H. A. Scrivener wrote: “We need not hesitate to declare our conviction that the disputed words were not written by St. John: that they were originally brought into Latin copies in Africa from the margin, where they had been placed as a pious and orthodox gloss on ver. 8: that from the Latin they crept into two or three late Greek codices, and thence into the printed Greek text, a place to which they had no rightful claim.”—A Plain Introduction to the Criticism of the New Testament (Cambridge, 1883, third ed.), p. 654.

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