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What Is An Unbeliever/what Constitutes An Unbeliever? by ttalks(m): 9:00am On May 24, 2009
Now, the very straight foward answer in relation to Christianity is simply:

An unbeliever is someone who has not believed in Christ as the source of salvation; a person who has not realized that without Christ, he/she is a condemned sinner.

But now, where the issue really lies is:

We have a lot of Christian groups/denominations that claim that Jesus Christ is the source and foundation of their faith; they believe in him as the source of their salvation.
But what is very glaring in these different groups is that, they all have different approaches/beliefs to different issues that exist in the life of a Christian.
All these based on how they interprete the messages in the bible.

So, now, the differences in approaches are very obvious as can be seen here on nairaland.
Does that now mean that some of these groups;based on their own particular belief or approach about certain issues in the Christian faith, could be regarded as unbelievers when it is pretty clear that they could be wrong in their approach.

Should they be considered as unbelievers or should they be considered as brethren who are just making mistakes or on the wrong path?
Can they all be regarded as brethren because they have the[b] common denominator of Christ being the source of their salvation[/b]?

Do the Catholics consider the rest of the other groups unbelivers?
Do the other groups consider the Catholics and the various other groups(pentecostals,baptists,anglicans,so on and so forth) to be unbelievers or are they regarded as brethren who have things mixed up?

Honest answers would go a long way in making this issue very clear.
Re: What Is An Unbeliever/what Constitutes An Unbeliever? by Nobody: 11:44am On May 25, 2009
ttalks:

Now, the very straight foward answer in relation to Christianity is simply:

An unbeliever is someone who has not believed in Christ as the source of salvation; a person who has not realized that without Christ, he/she is a condemned sinner.

But now, where the issue really lies is:

We have a lot of Christian groups/denominations that claim that Jesus Christ is the source and foundation of their faith; they believe in him as the source of their salvation.
But what is very glaring in these different groups is that, they all have different approaches/beliefs to different issues that exist in the life of a Christian.
All these based on how they interprete the messages in the bible.

So, now, the differences in approaches are very obvious as can be seen here on nairaland.
Does that now mean that some of these groups;based on their own particular belief or approach about certain issues in the Christian faith, could be regarded as unbelievers when it is pretty clear that they could be wrong in their approach.

Should they be considered as unbelievers or should they be considered as brethren who are just making mistakes or on the wrong path?
Can they all be regarded as brethren because they have the[b] common denominator of Christ being the source of their salvation[/b]?

Do the Catholics consider the rest of the other groups unbelivers?
Do the other groups consider the Catholics and the various other groups(pentecostals,baptists,anglicans,so on and so forth) to be unbelievers or are they regarded as brethren who have things mixed up?

Honest answers would go a long way in making this issue very clear.

You are biased. You won't get to heaven with this attitude.
Re: What Is An Unbeliever/what Constitutes An Unbeliever? by ttalks(m): 3:07pm On May 25, 2009
@michelin89,
it's like u do not get the point being driven by my questions above.
I doubt u'll make a good candidate to answer the questions cos the questions are targeted at Christians of different groups/denominations and not people who aren't Christians.
Re: What Is An Unbeliever/what Constitutes An Unbeliever? by Nobody: 3:11pm On May 25, 2009
ttalks:

@michelin89,
it's like u do not get the point being driven by my questions above.
I doubt u'll make a good candidate to answer the questions cos the questions are targeted at Christians of different groups/denominations and not people who aren't Christians.

Ok I dey comot.

Bye!
Re: What Is An Unbeliever/what Constitutes An Unbeliever? by Nobody: 3:45pm On May 25, 2009
ttalks:

Now, the very straight foward answer in relation to Christianity is simply:

An unbeliever is someone who has not believed in Christ as the source of salvation; a person who has not realized that without Christ, he/she is a condemned sinner.

But now, where the issue really lies is:

We have a lot of Christian groups/denominations that claim that Jesus Christ is the source and foundation of their faith; they believe in him as the source of their salvation.
But what is very glaring in these different groups is that, they all have different approaches/beliefs to different issues that exist in the life of a Christian.
All these based on how they interprete the messages in the bible.

So, now, the differences in approaches are very obvious as can be seen here on nairaland.
Does that now mean that some of these groups;based on their own particular belief or approach about certain issues in the Christian faith, could be regarded as unbelievers when it is pretty clear that they could be wrong in their approach.

Should they be considered as unbelievers or should they be considered as brethren who are just making mistakes or on the wrong path?
Can they all be regarded as brethren because they have the[b] common denominator of Christ being the source of their salvation[/b]?

Do the Catholics consider the rest of the other groups unbelivers?
Do the other groups consider the Catholics and the various other groups(pentecostals,baptists,anglicans,so on and so forth) to be unbelievers or are they regarded as brethren who have things mixed up?

Honest answers would go a long way in making this issue very clear.

The church was meant to be one unfortunally christianity is being factionalised.
Honestly Idont thinkn we can ever be united again.

Whereever you are the most important thing is for you to live a good christian life .That is the only thing that will take anyone to heaven not the church we are attending
Re: What Is An Unbeliever/what Constitutes An Unbeliever? by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:15am On May 26, 2009
ttalks:

Now, the very straight foward answer in relation to Christianity is simply:

An unbeliever is someone who has not believed in Christ as the source of salvation; a person who has not realized that without Christ, he/she is a condemned sinner.

But now, where the issue really lies is:

We have a lot of Christian groups/denominations that claim that Jesus Christ is the source and foundation of their faith; they believe in him as the source of their salvation.
But what is very glaring in these different groups is that, they all have different approaches/beliefs to different issues that exist in the life of a Christian.
All these based on how they interprete the messages in the bible.

So, now, the differences in approaches are very obvious as can be seen here on nairaland.
Does that now mean that some of these groups;based on their own particular belief or approach about certain issues in the Christian faith, could be regarded as unbelievers when it is pretty clear that they could be wrong in their approach.

Should they be considered as unbelievers or should they be considered as brethren who are just making mistakes or on the wrong path?
Can they all be regarded as brethren because they have the[b] common denominator of Christ being the source of their salvation[/b]?

Do the Catholics consider the rest of the other groups unbelivers?
Do the other groups consider the Catholics and the various other groups(pentecostals,baptists,anglicans,so on and so forth) to be unbelievers or are they regarded as brethren who have things mixed up?

Honest answers would go a long way in making this issue very clear.

To be a believer you must not only believe in the existence of God but you must accept Jesus as your Saviour and personal Lord.  The question is does the RCC members believe that Jesus exists in reality or do they believe He is just a legend?  Their answers to the following questions will tell you what they believe.

Do they believe that the Creation account was allegorical or a historical fact?
Do they believe that Adam and Eve were real persons or just myths, legends or fiction characters?
Do they believe that the 10 commandments are allegorical or actually written by the finger of God?
Do they believe Exodus 20:11 where God wrote that He created the heavens and the earth (the universe) within 6 days or do they believe that this is just allegorical?
Do they believe the geneaology of Jesus that Dr. Luke traced back to Adam are just allegorical and fictitious names or real? and that's if they believe the historical Jesus (Luke 3:23-38).

Answers to this and more will determine whether they are believers or unbelievers as far as Christianity is concerned.
Re: What Is An Unbeliever/what Constitutes An Unbeliever? by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:21am On May 26, 2009
chukwudi44:

The church was meant to be one unfortunally christianity is being factionalised.
Honestly Idont thinkn we can ever be united again.

Whereever you are the most important thing is for you to live a good christian life .That is the only thing that will take anyone to heaven not the church we are attending

The question is, are you good enough to go to heaven?  Take the test below to find out.

http://www.wayofthemaster.com/goodperson.shtml
Re: What Is An Unbeliever/what Constitutes An Unbeliever? by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:17pm On May 27, 2009
@chukwudi44,

Have you taken the test to find out whether you are a good Christian?
Re: What Is An Unbeliever/what Constitutes An Unbeliever? by ttalks(m): 6:51pm On May 27, 2009
So far, I've gotten replies from just a few people on this issue.

Chukwudi,
I get the point that u're driving at, but what I want to know clearly is: Do u Catholics consider the rest of the other Christian groups as unbelievers or do u consider them as brethren who have things messed up/twisted?
A straight forward answer;probably with reasons to back it, would help.

Olaadegbu,
From what u've said, there is an indicaton that u do not consider Catholics to be believers; -or do u think they are the believers that have things messed up/twisted/confused?

The reason I'm asking this questions is based on the scenario presented by a family for example:
A father and mother have three children.
These parents have set down the way they would like for their kids to follow.
Kid 1 follows that way to the letter.
Kid 2 and kid 3 try to follow that way but for one reason or the other, they do not confom properly.

The parents are not happy with Kid 2 and 3 and probably discipline them based on this.
But still, these two kids who don't get it right are still siblings with kid 1 and still children of the parents.

Can that scenario be used to determine if all the Christian groups are still brethren despite their differences but as long as they have the common denominator as Christ as their source of salvation?

So maybe it is here we now determine those who do not have Christ as the source of their salvation.

N/B: I didn't start this thread to try to tell a different Christian group(s) that their way is wrong or try to make them see why the other is right.The purpose is just to understand how we all view ourselves.

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