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I send you?

ElRazur: Typical responses from like minded people.

Here, how about a different view? Being a doctor in Nigeria do not automatically means you would become a doctor in a developed country. You just have to look at the state of our universities as to why. You need to look at our hospitals as to why. You need to see where Nigeria stands in these fields on the world platform to see why.

Just because Medicine is being taught in Nigerian universities, do not mean that the students [or product of Nigeria's university] are what people abroad want. To buttress my point, please check out the thread entitle "Are nigeria's graduate really graduate" in the career section.

Years ago, I used to work with some guy who apparently was a doctor in Nigeria. Even then with my college education back then, I would be very sceptical of his claim or knowledge base - but that is just me.

From what I know, people who came here in the 60s, 70s and up to the 80s are able to practice as a doctor, but now the system is changed - at least in the UK.  You will need to do several tests and other trainings so as to bring people from back home to the standards needed here. The thing is some do fail these tests and they sometimes find it a shock, as it is not the same learning process they are used to back home.

While my problem is not with the people with the qualification - i.e the doctors back home - I think my problem lies with the way our education system is being allowed to systematically fall apart.


Let me put it this way, it would be probably easier for me to get a job in Nigeria with my qualifications, than have qualifications from Nigeria's university and looking for jobs here. Why is that?

AjanleKoko:
Naija isn't the only country affected by the Canadian 'hand falling'.
I read once about a Pakistani chap who was a professor of wireless comms in the UK, but driving a cab in Canada.

labiyemmy:


Just a simple question? If the above in bold fonts are realy true, why do some of us still got all it takes to break into the UK market with our Nigerian degrees and still came out being the best everywhere we work or at whatever we do? Why did the UK govt recruit many people to work in Britain under the HSMP Visa if Nigerian Universities turn out shit?

If you graduate as a medical doctor in Nigeria and you go to where ever to mess up, chances are that you are not that good academically and professionally and it has nothing to do with the state of Nigerian Universities because if you search properly, you will come across loads of people graduating from the same University and doing marvelously well in other countries Worldwide, even in the same Canada.

AloyEmeka9:
I was a Doctor in Nigeria, now a Cleaner in Canada - Nigerian abroad - Lamentations Of Other Nigerian Professionals

Saturday, May 30, 2009
People leave their home country with a dream of living a better life. But they tend to be oblivious of the challenges or, more realistically put, obstacles lying ahead. Not all of them get success in this endeavour. In this compilation by LAOLU AFOLABI, the travails of Nigerian professionals and other foreign nationals in Canada are brought to the fore.





http://odili.net/news/source/2009/may/30/606.html

Canada is a land of 10 million square miles. Its population is below 30 million and its rate of growth is less than 0.9 per cent. In addition, the next-door neighbour country is the United States, which offers huge job opportunities.

For all these reasons, Canada suffers from human resource deficiency throughout the year. This country attracts millions of people from around the globe, regardless of religion, belief and ideology due to its easy immigration system. Peaceful coexistence and support from government have encouraged people around the globe to migrate to Canada.

Harsh Reality

Although Canada provides warm welcome to new immigrants, the job market behaves the opposite. The country tends to favour the ‘True Canadians’ who are your next generation offspring. The new immigrants face the harsh inbuilt dichotomy of the job market as it is impossible to get a job without experience in Canada which itself, cannot be gained without a job.

Falling into this vicious cycle, the new immigrants give up their last hope of getting a good job. So many immigrants, including taxi drivers, got Ph.D but had to engage in menial jobs, as there had been no job for them.

This is a fairly common phenomenon, which scares new applicants. Although this is not the very common situation, every applicant has to bear in mind that he/she has to go through a series of hardship in getting their desired jobs. Applicant has to be mentally and physically prepared for a long struggle to see him/herself in a desired position.

In Canada, services in various sectors such as engineering, medical and education are maintained by respective regulatory bodies through various acts. That is why a person who seeks a job as an engineer has to take a licence of professional engineering; medical professionals such as doctors have to take recourse of a long process for getting certified by the Medical of Canada; nurses have to undertake certified test; for accountants, CMA certificate is mandatory; for the teachers of primary and secondary levels, teachers’ certificate is required; IT specialists have to acquire certificate on various modules; pharmacists require certification in Pharmacy.

The boldness, perseverance and doggedness of many Nigerians, coupled with their native intelligence, often result in the emergence of very capable, exceptionally intelligent high achievers. When the playing field is level, Nigerians have a knack of shining in many areas of human endeavour, particularly in the ‘professions’ i.e. Accounting, Law, Academics, Computer Science, Medicine, Education, Engineering etc. Just pick up the graduation/commencement brochure of any US high school or college with Nigerian students and look at their rankings.

It is a great irony to many in the immigration field, and to newcomers themselves, a bitter joke. Canada has a shortage of skilled professionals, and yet thousands of internationally trained doctors, engineers, teachers and nurses are forced to deliver pizzas and drive taxis.

“What angers me is we are a capable people. We have the credentials. We just can’t get the jobs,” complained a Nigerian, who feels the government has shattered his hopes and dreams.

Last year, when Canada changed the way it selects immigrants, many were happy to see the end of the old system, which matched newcomers with worker shortages. Now, Canada chooses immigrants not on their occupation, but on their education, skills and language abilities. Applicants must score 67 of a possible 100 points to be accepted.

Ostensibly, being talented and smart should make them more employable. But it isn’t working out that way. Canada is recruiting the right kind of people, but they are stuck in a bottleneck, as the agencies and bodies that regulate the fields of Medicine, Teaching and Nursing struggle to assess their qualifications.

“We have a disaster on our hands,” says Joan Atlin, Executive Director of the Association of International Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario.

“There are thousands of under-employed foreign professionals across the country. At the same time, we have a shortage of skilled professionals, especially in the health-care field. We don’t so much have a doctor shortage as an assessment and licensing bottleneck,” she said.

A recent statistics in Canada which studies 164,200 immigrants who arrived between 2000 and 2001 found that 70 per cent had problems entering the labour force. Six in every 10 were forced to take jobs other than those they were trained to do. The two most common occupational groups for men were Science (natural and applied) and Management, but most ended up working in sales and service or processing and manufacturing.

There was a conference on the subject of Canadian experience and, in attendance, were dozens of foreign-trained professionals – some Nigerian bankers, doctors and engineers who are not working in their professions.

At the conference, the lamentations were, in summation: “We are highly skilled men and women who arrived in Canada and are not allowed to do what we were trained to do.” People who want to come to Canada are not told what to expect.

In the conference, a banker said, “When I applied, I had to qualify. There are marks for experience, education and so on. You have to get 70 marks. I got 72. When I came here, I found my degrees were worth nothing, useful only to work at a cold room. I left a banking job in Nigeria and here, though I was living in a foreign land, a dream of many years, I am not fulfilled.”

Also, a medical doctor said “I never knew it would be difficult to get a medical licence here. But I don’t know it would be such a bureaucratic, disheartening and, ultimately, fruitless journey. I sent my application to the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons two and a half years ago, and I haven’t even received a response. I was worried my file might be lost in a drawer somewhere. I am ready to go anywhere, even rural Saskatchewan, small-town Ontario.

“After being certified a doctor in Nigeria, I got employment as a cleaner here. It’s so disturbing. Anytime some of the doctors here have a problem, they come to me for help.

They know what I can do, but to them, I have not obtained Canadian qualification. “I have been cleaning the hospital here, in fact, I have even been a babysitter,” she lamented. Another doctor at the meeting had once applied for a job as a health care worker. The answer was “sorry, you are overqualified.” The doctor then applied for work as a medical secretary and was told 30 words per minute wasn’t good enough and in any case, where is the diploma in secretarial skills? A final insult, the doctor could not get a job as a personal support worker: No experience, no qualifications.

Other foreign professionals in that country also have a taste of the experience. In their homelands, they are engineers, professors, doctors and business people. Now, they drive cabs.

Leon Kalemkerian

Leon Kalemkerian, an engineer in Iraq, drives a Limo in Toronto. “It takes no time for a dream to turn into a nightmare,” Kalemkerian said.

The electronics engineer, now 59, emigrated from Iraq in 1995 to provide a better life and more opportunities for his three children – and a job for himself. Kalemkerian has been driving Limousine for nine years. He said he tried everything possible to get his qualifications recognised in Canada. “I was told I have good work experience but I should have Canadian education,” Kalemkerian said. Even though he completed courses in Ethics and Law at the University of Toronto, that wasn’t enough.

Reza Hosseinioun

“Everything about Economics is fascinating,” says Mohammad Reza Hosseinioun. Hosseinioun, who goes by the name Reza, has a PhD in Economics and now drives a cab in Toronto. It’s not what he wanted to do but, for the lack of any choice, is what he was forced to do. Reza, 54, was born and raised in Mashad, Iran. In 1981, he went to India to study Economics at Bhopal University (now known as Barkatullah University Bhopal). He completed his PhD in 1988 after which he came to Canada and applied for refugee status. But in Canada, his dream fizzled.

Tejpal Bath

Days after graduation, Tejpal Bath was offered his dream job: living in a village and caring for cows, buffalo and horses. Bath, 35, was a veterinarian in northern India. In Canada, he drives a cab. Bath studied Veterinarian Sciences at Punjab Agricultural University in northern India, graduating in 1997 after five gruelling years. The work was satisfying. But in 2001, he visited his brother in Toronto and met some old friends. He returned home, opened a small animal clinic and applied for immigration at the same time. The clinic was doing well, but he and his wife decided to give Canada a try. They and their son, now nine, moved there in 2006. He took the first qualifying test for a veterinarian licence but didn’t pass. He drove a truck for a while. But it kept him away from his family so, two years ago, he decided to drive a cab.

Chamkaur Singh Dhaliwal

At 36, Chamkaur Singh Dhaliwal was the youngest professor of Agricultural Entomology at a university in northern India. About 17 years later, he is one of dozens of cabbies waiting for fares at Pearson airport. Dhaliwal joined as an assistant professor in the Department of Entomology at Punjab Agricultural University in Ludhiana, India, in 1980, becoming professor in 1996. It was a good life and Dhaliwal and his wife, Savinder, a school principal, were content. Two weeks after the family landed in Toronto, Dhaliwal went to the University of Guelph. His PhD was recognised, but he couldn’t find work. He opted to become a real estate agent. That went well until the market downslided. With a family to support and a mortgage to pay, Dhaliwal decided to drive a cab.

Additional information from www.notcanada.com

dinggle:
This is an act of giving a failed state like Nigeria credit!, funny enough the doctor turned cleaner is not tied, pls come back if you dare, there are thousand of people waiting to take your place. e.g Politicians, ex-presidents and wasting professors. Yeye! after eating burger and enjoying uninterrupted power failure, decent road, decent police force without accidental discharge, decent transport system, unpoluted cities, you are complaining.

AloyEmeka9:
Same problem BecomeRich, an Illorin trained electrical engineer is facing in Canada.