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| Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by 08064753382: 3:37pm On Jul 11, 2009 |
Could any1 give me just 1 clear evidence 2 show dat God exists. |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by KunleOshob(m): 3:48pm On Jul 11, 2009 |
The evidence is all around you including you yourself |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by toneyb: 4:57pm On Jul 11, 2009 |
KunleOshob: What are the evidence? Trees, Mountains, cars animals, people, buildings, air, ocean and all are not evidence for the existence of any god. People generally assert that "God exists", yet they can't describe either part of that phrase. What's god? How does he(most of the gods are male) exist? Most of the time I'm greeted with either babbling dogmatic quotes or smug silence. For example people that promote the god hypothesis will say that "God is love", But when you really begin to talk about love in details and how it relates to the god hypothesis the same people will start to apply extra bits to the "God is love" showing that they don't think that god is identical to love but is some kind of aware force that has many attributes that aren't love. So its very confusing really because the proponents of the god hypothesis just keep performing different types of gymnastics all the time. Atheist have no proof that god does not exist, just the same way that theist have no proof that god exist. This is the case with all aspects of our lives. People want proof of things many theist seem to believe that faith and proof are the same thing, which they are not. You can search and search to prove that your god is real, but until you come up with a concrete proof that is empirically verifiable it is unfair to dupe most people into believing that your god is a real entity. God is not some undefined entity, Most theist have make lots of claims about their god and give their god a long list of attributes. Not to mention that most religious text have long drawn-out description of 'God' and how he has dealt with or is supposed to deal with humanity and the universe. So because 'God' is described in great detail, we can have a look and actually compare reality with all the claims and the about all the gods we have been hearing all the time and what god supposedly does or has done. After doing so and seeing you will see that the claims made about god are incompatible with the reality we live in. Even the word god it self has no universal definition even amongst members of the same religion or faith. Its just a wild claim that can be used to mean or pass for any thing. You hear things like god is love, god is life, god is light, god is all mighty and all powerful, god is eternal, god is all good, god is every where etc. These are just claims made by people or proponents of the god hypothesis, no god has ever made such an assertion him/her self. All these claims really create more questions than they ever answer. The proponents of the god hypothesis know they can not provide ANY evidence or proof for their wild claims so they are constantly on the defensive and constantly trying to come up with excuses for their god and the very mysterious ways he works  . That alone is enough to show that it is all made up because if any god did exist, there is no way he/she will be that stupid in letting confused people that do not even agree on his basic nature telling people about him and what he wants. God exist but only in the imaginations of those who believe in his existence. |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by Tudor6(f): 7:43pm On Jul 11, 2009 |
toneyb:The highlighted above is the core of atheism. No atheist claims to have substantial evidence as to the existence of God or all knowledge about the origins of our word. Neither has any of us met or experienced god, rather our disbelief rests on the inconsistencies between the description of god given by YOU [who claim to know god] and the realities on ground. In other words WE DISBELIEVE THE EXISTENCE OF GOD AS POTRAYED BY YOU. Its that Simple. |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by noetic2: 11:53am On Jul 12, 2009 |
toneyb: u keep mixing the existence of evidence with the acceptance of evidence. That u find kunleoshob's evidence unacceptable does not mean it is not an evidence and also lots of others find this sufficient evidence. it is up to u to establish how and why all that u see around u does not constitute an evidence.
Define Love and stop displaying ignorance here. what is love? who is God?
so what exactly is the basis of the atheistic disbelief? this is ridiculous.
How are God's claims incompatible to the reality u live in? what was the basis of this comparison of these claims to the God I know?
Again I believe that this is simply an expression of ignorance. u cannot judge a person by the adjectives/attributes associated with the person if u do not understand the meaning of these qualities. u keep embarrassing urself. what is love? what is life? what is light? what does almighty and all powerful mean? who is the God in question? how does this attributes not fit Him?
This is simply pointless. |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by bindex(m): 12:11pm On Jul 12, 2009 |
KunleOshob: And what might these "evidence" be? The evidence that you talk about have been shown over and over again to have nothing to do with god. Rainbows were thought to be a covenant between the ancient jews and their god or the necklace of some chinese goddess until science showed that it was just a refraction of light on the water droplets in the atmosphere. Thousands of years ago, people could not understand what caused lightning, thunder,rain, volcanoes, or anything else to do with nature. This natural occurrences, affected their survival, So they invented gods that control these things. In the beginning it looked like a logical explanation to help them better understand these natural phenomena and accept them as they see fit. They made up stories and hypothesis like god zeus's great-great-great-grandfather throwing lightning at them or yahweh fierce anger and wrath being the cause of thunder lightening and earth quakes. After a while, the clever people living amongst them saw that in addition, they could control everything that others do and think by inventing stories and rules of behavior, and religion was born. The point is that there was never evidence for any supernatural beings. People just make claims and everything ends there. What you see around you are not evidence for any god or gods because some people claimed that their god is responsible for them. What you see around you as toneyb has stated is evidence for vision and environment. |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by toneyb: 12:50pm On Jul 12, 2009 |
noetic2: Kunleoshob did not provide any evidence he only made a claim and a claim is not an evidence, muslims, christians, hindus etc all claim that their various gods are responsible for what we see around us, those are ONLY claims, and claims are not evidence. If you have ANY empirical evidence to show that your god created then universe then go ahead and present it and stop foaming in the mouth. What I see around is evidence for vision and environment not evidence for any god. If you have empirical evidence that your god is responsible for all I see around then present your empirical evidence and stop foaming in the mouth. Define Love and stop displaying ignorance here. what is love? who is God?  What is the "ignorance" I am displaying here? You want me to help you define that whom those of you that believe in have no clear and coherent definition for? so what exactly is the basis of the atheistic disbelief? this is ridiculous. The christian god, as defined by the majority of christian believers is 100% impossible. Example christians say that their god is omniscient or knows all things, christians claim that their god knows the future and has a fore knowledge of everything that happens. This is what Mazaje wrote on another thread he said a god who knows everything cannot have emotions. The bible says that god experiences all of the emotions of humans, including anger, sadness, and happiness. he said humans experience emotions as a result of new knowledge for example a man who had formerly been ignorant of his wife's infidelity will experience the emotions of anger, regret and sadness only after he has learned what had previously been hidden to him. In contrast, the omniscient god is ignorant of nothing at all. Nothing is hidden from him, nothing new may be revealed to him, so there is no gained knowledge to which he may emotively react. We humans experience anger and frustration when something is wrong which we cannot fix. The perfect, omnipotent god, however, can fix anything. Humans experience longing for things we lack. The perfect god lacks nothing. An omniscient, omnipotent, and perfect god who experiences emotion is impossible. Also a god who knows the future is powerless to change it. An omniscient god who is all-powerful and freewilled is impossible. How are God's claims incompatible to the reality u live in? what was the basis of this comparison of these claims to the God I know? Who is the god that you know? Can you tell us what you know about him so that we can juxtapose it with what we see around and see if what you know about him are compatible with what we see around? What is it that you know about this god and how does this god you know affect the world in which we live in? Any empirical evidence to support any of your claims about the god you know? Faith is not evidence. Faith is delusion. Again I believe that this is simply an expression of ignorance. u cannot judge a person by the adjectives/attributes associated with the person if u do not understand the meaning of these qualities. What are the meaning of these qualities? u keep embarrassing urself. what is love? what is life? what is light? what does almighty and all powerful mean? who is the God in question? how does this attributes not fit Him? Explain to me how your god is love, all powerful, light almighty etc with empirical evidence and stop foaming in the mouth. If you say your god is love then you should be able to provide empirical evidence to back up your claim. if you say that your god is all mighty you should also be able to provide empirical evidence to back up your claims. Do that or for ever keep shut. This is simply pointless. How is it "pointless"? Where is your empirical evidence to show that your god exist? Did any god appear to you and tell you that he exist or did you read it from the writings /tradition of others? if your god exist why then does he rely only on humans to do everything for him? When has your god ever appeared to people by himself to tell them about himself? Why is it that it is humans who do not even agree to the basic nature of this thing/idea called god (that they are always trying to sell) the ones doing all the job? If there is any god that exist he will not be so stupid to allow incompetent people like you sell his ideas or talk to people about him on his behalf, he will do it himself. If your god exist it will be a very great shame and disgrace on his behalf to rely on incompetent people like you do all the pleading and begging on his behalf. God exist only in the imaginations of those of you that believe in the hypothesis. |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by bindex(m): 3:41pm On Jul 12, 2009 |
toneyb: I wonder ohhh. Which god will allow very incompetent and irresponsible people like neotic who has never made any sense in any of his post do his biding for him? NO living god that exist will allow know nothings like neotic to make his care for him. NO god that exist will do that. If you ask the deluded neotic to provide any evidence for his god or any of his claims about his god all he will he say is that his god appeared to him in his dreams. . If you ask him what the god that appeared to him in his "dreams" looks like, or what language he spoke, or how his voice sounded or what is it that the god that appeared to him told him, he will say that is not for public consumption, because even he knows very well that he will only make a FOOL of himself is he goes ahead and talks about his delusions and private fantasies in public. What a deluded FOOL. |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by toneyb: 3:48pm On Jul 12, 2009 |
bindex: I like that bindex, delusions and private fantasies. |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by PastorAIO: 3:55pm On Jul 12, 2009 |
interesting arguments here. reminds me of a chat i had with a muslim and he was telling me about some stories in the quran. He told me of how Ibrahim went into the Kabbah and destroyed all the idols inside. The priests of these idols were furious and the people wanted to kill abraham, but abraham said that if these Gods are so powerful then they ought to be able to defend themselves and not rely on their followers to do their fighting for them. Where i kick myself is that it didn't occur to me there and then when he was there in front of me to ask whether the same did not apply to Allah. Allah has too many of his followers doing his fighting for him. You'd think that he could stand up for himself. |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by bindex(m): 4:16pm On Jul 12, 2009 |
Pastor AIO: Interesting. Abraham and Kabbah. What has the mythical abraham got to do with the kabbah? Moslems and plagiarism. Allah and Jehovah, Holy spirit, Jesus all have their followers doing EVERYTHING for them. Non of them has ever done anything for himself. We have only heard that they did many many "wonderful things" in the past when men were primitive and without the kind of knowledge we have today. Now that men are much more knowledgeable on how the forces of nature operate all the gods and their many many great "works" ran away. |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by noetic2: 4:20pm On Jul 12, 2009 |
toneyb: u never cease to amaze me with ur embarrassing ignorance. just display a little understanding of the meaningless assertions u have stated so far. u have made so many statements, why not just clarify them. whats the difference between existence and acceptance of evidence? who is God? what is His ontology? what is light? what is love? what is life? how does God not fit any of these descriptions? what does it mean to be all powerful? what is almighty? u just keep ranting meaninglessly and mixing anything with everything. please stop ridiculing urself.
u keep displaying ur folly with the quality of ur assertions. in one breadth God is inert and nihilant. In another breadth He must be stupid not to speak up for himself, yet u stupidly deny the inspiration behind the scriptures. in one breadth u claim God cannot exist, and if He does he aint perfect, and in another breadth u delusively refuse to define ur understanding of perfection. ur posts exhibit an embarrassing lack of knowledge. make up your mind and stop brashly contradicting urself. what is ur literal belief in the existence/non-existence of God? if He does not exist, why then do u try to fit Him into the container of ur uninformed imaginative assertions? bindex: is it a crime to be consistent? why are ur posts and comments never consistent? do u think at all? can u objectively review the rubbish above? please exercise ur option of ignoring my posts. |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by dadde(m): 4:43pm On Jul 12, 2009 |
@all atheist in the house.Can science eplain all the events happening around us now.they may not be able to do that now but do it latter in the future.this is why scientist engage in constant reasearch to create a theory arround some phenomenön. What am aiming at is dat human knowledge increase wit time. Yet wit all d groundbreaking breakthrough in science, yet som issues are mysteries.dont u think there there's som1 directing the affairs of thing b4 scientists discoverd it.if u can xplain God doesnt mean he doesnt exist. |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by dadde(m): 4:45pm On Jul 12, 2009 |
If u cant xplain God doesnt mean He does not exist |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by toneyb: 4:54pm On Jul 12, 2009 |
noetic2: Bla bla bla bla bla This drive by apologist never seems to stop giving. . Keep on living in your world of delusion and fantasies. What did your god tell you the last time he "appeared" to you in your "dreams"? Did he tell you to keep making a fool of your self on a public forum? Why do you keep embarrassing your god? You are not doing a good job when it comes to defending or making a case for him at all. As bindex has said no god that exist will allow know nothings like you to make his case for him or defend him. if your god exist he will do it himself. Noetic: Do you believe in god? Toneyb: No I don't Neotic: Why don't you Toneyb: Because the word god has no universal, coherent and acceptable definition even amongst member of the same faith and religion, it can be taken to mean anything besides there is no evidence for any god. people just make up claims about their various god, claims they can not support or provide any evidence for. That is why people believe only based on faith. Neotic: You can talk about the lack of evidence for other gods like the bastard allah the god of the moslems, but I empirical have evidence for the existence of my god. Toneyb: Are you sure you have empirical evidence for the existence of your god? Noetic: Yes I do Toneyb: Ok nice I will like to see your empirical evidence which shows that your god exist and is that which you portray him to be. Neotic: My god appears to me in my dreams that's empirical evidence number 1, I also feel his presence during praise and worship sessions in church or during fellowships. He has richly blessed my life and those are the empirical evidence for the existence of the god of the bible. Toneyb: . I thought you said you have empirical evidence, What you have said are not evidence at all, they are only unsubstantiated claims, any body can make such claims, You said you have empirical evidence to show that your god exist and all you can provide and baseless and unsubstantiated claims?Neotic: (Foaming in the mouth) Yes they are empirical evidence you stupid son of satan, they are evidence, provide your own evidence to show that my god does not exist, you stupid son of satan and god hater, where is your evidence to show that my god does not exist you son of satan, unintelligent fool, ignorant and stupid atheist bla bla bla bla bla, the bible talks about fools like you in the book of john, book of galatians, book of mark. idiot atheist and god hater unintelligent irrational fool. Toneyb: I am not a god hater, I can't hate what I dont believe in, you said you have empirical evidence for the existence of you god, all I did was ask you to provide the evidence, but you only made ridiculous claims. Neotic: And I provided the empirical evidence. I said my god appears to me in my dreams you stupid, ignorant and unintelligent son of satan bla bls bla bla bla. What is the meaning of ridiculous? What are the ontology of ridiculous? do you use your brain at all? what is the meaning of ridiculous? Toneyb: (Runs away laughing) What the f**k. |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by toneyb: 4:59pm On Jul 12, 2009 |
dadde: Has any god ever told you that he exist? Science has not provided answers for everything but it continues to expose the ignorance of the proponents of the god hypothesis. Scientist have searched most parts of the world but they are yet to see any god's name written in any part of the universe. Rather they have provided empirical evidence which contradicts the assertions of many of the gods (christian muslims etc) that are worshiped all over the world. |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by PastorAIO: 5:07pm On Jul 12, 2009 |
toneyb:  I laugh tire, I nearly die. What is the ontology of ridiculous? |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by horse703: 5:23pm On Jul 12, 2009 |
what u atheist dont get is science is an affirmation that God really exists, it proves it, therefore advancement in scientific knowledge shuldnt lead u to disbelieve in the existence of God if u are really intelligent in the area of science as some of u seem to claim. im a scientist myself(biologist) i shuld know. take your anatomy for instance, every organ lies in the exact position that it shuld be in to allow for normal physiological activities, which clearly disproves evolution. if humans have evolved for over amillion years, we shuldnt exist at all, cause from the begining our physiology shuld have been so weak that we shuld have died out before now. |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by bindex(m): 5:47pm On Jul 12, 2009 |
horse703: You have "evidence" that "clearly" disprove evolution and you are still here? Please present it to the right scientific authorities and earn a Nobel peace price. Mr "biologist" |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by Krayola(m): 6:16pm On Jul 12, 2009 |
toneyb: hahahahaha . . . classic!! |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by horse703: 7:10pm On Jul 12, 2009 |
thank u bindex for that title i love it. im also working hard on getting a nobel prize also u have great insight, but seeing im in africa it will take some time, so watch out for me, i wil use this alias "horse" when i get it so u remember me. |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by horse703: 7:12pm On Jul 12, 2009 |
chk this site out. [http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/blog/darwin-half-right/] |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by Tudor6(f): 7:23pm On Jul 12, 2009 |
horse703:This thread is about evidence for the existence of god and not evolution. Stop derailing! |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by horse703: 7:29pm On Jul 12, 2009 |
A year and a half ago I was traveling with a devout Christian friend who had grave doubts and questions about his faith. At the root of his inquiry were the claims of modern skepticism – that no one can actually prove that God’s hand moves in the real world, and that natural processes sufficiently explain everything. It should come as no surprise that Darwinism too played a significant role in this conversation, and we spent several days intensely discussing it. this is the first paragraph in that page, have u actually read it tudor i think u shuld. this is only one response to wht atheist claim, there are a lot more responses. read it |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by bindex(m): 7:37pm On Jul 12, 2009 |
horse703: If the writer of that blog really knows what he is talking about he will write a peer reviewed article and present it to the over 95% percent of accomplished biologist that accept evolution as a scientific fact. Is writing nonsense on a hidden blog some where for his creationist friends all he can do? . If the guy is serious he will write a peer reviewed article disproving the theory of evolution to the right authorities and win a Nobel peace prize. The discovery institute and the proponents of the intelligent design movement have been looking for people for decades that will help them disprove the theory of evolution and all its claims if the guy is serious he will not write his "theory" on an obscured blog, he will write a scientific paper and present it to the NAS. He sure knows what he stands to gain if he truly knows what he is talking about, the fact that he doesn't says that he does not know what he is talking about. He is just lying and ranting over nothing. He is a cry baby that does not even know what he is saying. |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by bindex(m): 7:40pm On Jul 12, 2009 |
horse703: Do you need the contact address of the NAS? You stand to win a Nobel peace prize if you can disprove the theory of evolution as a scientific fact. |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by horse703: 7:45pm On Jul 12, 2009 |
bindex cmon wht is this about nobel prizes, NAS,do u even know how to win a nobel prizes, there wont be any need then even for this blog wuld there |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by bindex(m): 7:49pm On Jul 12, 2009 |
noetic2: Have you ever been consistent in any of your post? You are one of the most delusional fools I have ever come across on nairaland. There is no natural evidence that a god, let alone YOUR god, the god that you say keeps appearing to you in your dreams exists. Isn't it amazing that schizophrenic people are JUST LIKE YOU in that they see/hear things that NO ONE ELSE sees? You see your god is your dreams eh? . Idiot. You can't even communicate with regular people. Just keep repeating the same things over and over like a cult leader and like the deluded slowpoke that you are.YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT YOUR GOD IS LOVE LIKE I CANNOT PROVE THAT THERE IS AN INVISIBLE DRAGON SITTING ON YOUR SHOULDER. GET IT? |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by bindex(m): 7:52pm On Jul 12, 2009 |
horse703: I bet you if you or the writer of the blog you provided knows anything about what you are saying you will be given Nobel peace price(With a million dollars) for disproving evolution as a scientific fact. |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by MrCrackles(m): 7:54pm On Jul 12, 2009 |
Poster What more evidences do you need to realise God exist? Funky username BTW! |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by bindex(m): 8:21pm On Jul 12, 2009 |
MrCrackles: What evidence do you have to show that allah exist? the koran? |
| Re: Clear Evidence 2 Show Dat God Exists. by MrCrackles(m): 9:04pm On Jul 12, 2009 |
bindex: Do i know you? |
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