chukwudi44:

@bobbyaff
It is better to discuss the sabath since a greater percentage of christians are involved ,do you realise that the seventh day adventist represent less than 4 percent of the christian poipulation,which means that the remaining 96 percent that don't observe the sabath are doomed. I would prefer we discuss the sabath since a greater number of christians are involved.

In your hypocritical hatred for the RCC you always pick on them because they are the largest branch of christendom.

But I have bad news for you

The RCC will outlive you
The RCC will outlive your children,grand children and great great,  grand children(that is if you will have any)

This is a funny accusation because all christians(and i mean every single one of them) are idol worshippers.To now stand up and accuse the major subsect within christiandom of idol worshipping by another christian is a big joke.
BOBBYAF,YOU AND THE REST OF THE CHRISTIANDOM ARE ALL IDOL WORSHIPPERS!Get used to that fact and learn to live with it.And,bobbyaf, stop judging others on what you yourself is guilty of.Judge not lest you be judged.

@bobbyaff
It is better to discuss the sabath since a greater percentage of christians are involved ,do you realise that the seventh day adventist represent less than 4 percent of the christian poipulation,which means that the remaining 96 percent that don't observe the sabath are doomed.

I would prefer we discuss the sabath since a greater number of christians are involved.

In your hypocritical hatred for the RCC you always pick on them because they are the largest branch of christendom.

But I have bad news for you, The RCC will outlive you, The RCC will outlive your children,grand children and great great, grand children(that is if you will have any)

What kind of a god condemns me to damnation coz i didn't sleep all through my saturday

~Lady~:

@ Chukwudi

Why are you entertaining Bobbyaf?
Don't you know foolishness when u see one?
According to Bobby, God himself promotes idolatry when he commanded the Israelites to make graven images to be used in worship.

@ Chukwudi

Why are you entertaining Bobbyaf?
Don't you know foolishness when u see one?
According to Bobby, God himself promotes idolatry when he commanded the Israelites to make graven images to be used in worship.

Bobbyaf:

@ Lady

Age-old strategy by Catholics when they are confronted with truth is to question the very God of the bible,

Besides, your ignorance of things of this nature doesn't surprise me anyway. How can you compare God's motives for an action that He commanded, with man's motives for an action that suits such a motive?

The symbolism in Moses' brazen serpent must not be mistaken for idolatry as compared to a deliberate attempt on the part of humans to disobey a direct command of God. Moses in no way made anyone kiss that serpent on a pole, or encouraged anyone to bow down to it.

Like Adam that accused God of providing a woman that lured him into sin, you are now accusing God of encouraging idolatry, because you fail to understand the import of why God told Moses to build a pole with a brazen serpent on it.

Stop looking for excuse, and stop blaming God.

Hello Bobbyaf


What you just raised here is a very important issue, but the man can not see what you are saying here, this is a very very clear massage.

@BobbyAf
Why did God tell moses to build a pole with a brazen serpent on it?

bawomolo:

which is technically idol worshiping.

The God of the bible is only worried when the idol worshiped is not him.

Bobbyaf:

Jesus said "as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness even so must the Son of man be lifted up so that whoever believes on him shall have eternal life"

They are several reasons why God told Moses to place a brazen serpent on a pole for all to see.

1. It was a reminder to them. Upon seeing the serpent they would remember what led to some of them dying from excruciating pain in the wilderness, (forgive my finding it amusing)

2. Its medically strange that the very venom of snakes that kill, is the very venom that saves life. Is it any wonder why God said life is found in the blood. The serpent on the pole represents both death and salvation, hence it symbolizes Jesus on the cross. The bible says "He became sin for us, " On the cross Jesus bore the sin of the entire world from all dispensations both from the past until the very last person to be born.

by looking in faith they would be healed. it wasn't the look so much on the serpent that healed them but their faith. It is only as we look at Calvary can we really and truly experience salvation.

So it all comes down to context and intention of the person.

But that doesn't make any sense when we look at your reasoning. God is contradicting himself here according to your interpretation of the commandment.
Your interpretation says any making of a graven image and use of it in worship means that the image is being worshipped.
So why would God command that a graven image be made that will be used in worship?

Pastor AIO:


@BobbyAf

Why did God tell moses to build a pole with a brazen serpent on it?

@Pastor AIO

- Pastor AIO

Why?

Simple. The brazen serpent among other significances was a step short of an idol . . .

^{BobbyAf's already trying to do a good job highlighting the significances} 

Notice that it was looked up to (i.e. beheld) and not bowed down to (i.e. it was not worshipped)

The distinction can be noticed when reading Exodus chapter 20 verses 4-5

There is a whole world wide difference between a graven image and an idol

Moreover the brazen serpent wasn't a subject of worship . . .

The brazen serpent was a graven image and not an idol

Pictures or paintings of ancestors or effigies of any other human beings for that matter cant assist in worshipping the true God.

Neither are and/or were such effigies (i.e. these Virgin Mary figurines) commanded to be made by Him anyway

Remember when the Israelites burnt incense and made drink offerings to the “queen of heaven,”

God was angry with them because they were serving other gods

Read Jeremiah chapter 44 verses 14-30 for the exact details

~Lady~:

But that doesn't make any sense when we look at your reasoning. God is contradicting himself here according to your interpretation of the commandment.
Your interpretation says any making of a graven image and use of it in worship means that the image is being worshipped.
So why would God command that a graven image be made that will be used in worship?

davidylan:

this is the usual subtle twisting of the scripture to justify catholic nonsense. Read that portion of the bible again -

Num 21:8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.

Where was the serpent WORSHIPPED like you dishonestly claimed? Why was this serpent NEVER mentioned again after verse 9 except to use it as a symbol of Christ's own crucifiction on the cross? If this was indeed a graven image that God meant for worship then why didnt the jews take it along with them and even install it in the temple when solomon finally built one?

~Lady~:

Where did I say that the serpent is worshipped?
Read my post well again before you give yourself hypertension.

~Lady~:

But that doesn't make any sense when we look at your reasoning. God is contradicting himself here according to your interpretation of the commandment.
Your interpretation says any making of a graven image and use of it in worship means that the image is being worshipped.
[size=18pt]So why would God command that a graven image be made that will be used in worship?[/size]

~Lady~:

@ Chukwudi

Why are you entertaining Bobbyaf?
Don't you know foolishness when u see one?
According to Bobby, [size=18pt]God himself promotes idolatry when he commanded the Israelites to make graven images to be used in worship.[/size]

Bobbyaf:

And since you don't know the heart of man as God does, its best to simply obey rather than conjure up excuses for plain idolatry. In other words God doesn't want a representation when it comes to worship. He prefers a direct approach. He desires that all of His children come to Him directly. Jesus didn't teach us to pray through saints. He simply said to pray to our father which is in heaven. So we don't need Mary, or dead saints through whom to pray since they are dead and gone.

The RCC removed the 2nd commandment which forbids image carving and worship. It plainly says "thou shall not make unto thee any graven images", of anything, be it Mary, Jesus, or anyone else. What is it about that plain commandment you are failing to comprehend?

Davidylan:


Wait until I start a thread on the pentecostals . . .

they are no better than the catholics at all.

@Davidylan

- Davidylan

The penterascals indeed . . . ^{Coining KunleOshob's phrase}

BTW in fairness ~Lady~ didnt say the serpent was worshipped

but did insinuate that others do inadvertently and/or subtly worship graven images of some sort . . .

Read here:

[size=17pt]According to Bobby[/size], God himself promotes idolatry when he commanded the Israelites to make graven images to be used in worship.