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Re: Call For Establishment Of Nigerian Marine Force by congoshine(m): 9:11pm On Jul 15, 2009
Someone must chop na wink
Re: Call For Establishment Of Nigerian Marine Force by sley4life(m): 1:55am On Jul 16, 2009
there is no need for it
Re: Call For Establishment Of Nigerian Marine Force by OYBMEND: 2:21am On Jul 16, 2009
The greatest threat to national security we have include Hunger, Bad roads, no electricity, no hospitals, no schools

wanna shed any light on how a Marine Corps solves any of those?
Re: Call For Establishment Of Nigerian Marine Force by georgecso(m): 9:33am On Jul 16, 2009
The establishment of such a high security body is long overdue.
Re: Call For Establishment Of Nigerian Marine Force by CGKing(m): 11:52am On Jul 16, 2009
Marine corps in Nigeria? Yeah right!

First improve the police force, train commandos and furnish them with protective combat gear. BY THEM HELMET first!!!
Re: Call For Establishment Of Nigerian Marine Force by Nobody: 12:19pm On Jul 16, 2009
Establishment of what!!!!!!!!

A country where soldiers are sent to jail for demanding their Salary
Re: Call For Establishment Of Nigerian Marine Force by Jairzinho(m): 1:48pm On Jul 16, 2009
many thanks for all your intelligent contributions
My reactions:
OYB_MEND:

The greatest threat to national security we have include Hunger, Bad roads, no electricity, no hospitals, no schools

wanna shed any light on how a Marine Corps solves any of those?
So we should disband the military & transfer all the personnel to Social Welfare ministry?
mccloud224:

Marine corps in Nigeria?
To all those clamoring for a new force because of MEND, i wonder if that would be your opinion if the oil was being tapped from your home towns.I don't praise the recent activities of MEND but every sane thinking person knows things wouldn't have deteriorated to this state if the so called clowns in government had done something meaningful about the situation.Let no one talk about MEND using dialogue coz the people of the Niger delta already tried that with Ken Saro Wiwa! And what did he get for his "dialogue" with the area boys in aso rock?He got executed.I don't condone violence but sooner or later, various groups will start taking up arms in this country due to the insensitivity of government.The only thing those bastards in government think about is holding unto power and looting in ridiculously massive proportions.

Revolution and massive blood shed is the only thing that can turn this country around (Worked in France,U.S,U.K and even Ghana).All the so called rulers of this geopolitical joke of a country want to do is suppress the inevitable.
This NOT becos of MEND,I fully support the idae(maybe not the methods) of valiant MEND !
ocelot2006:

this post is a reply to one earlier made with regards to Nigeria owning a marine unit. Yes, the country had a standing marine unit during the civil war (the 3rd marine commando division). But that division was later transformed to the present 3rd armoured division currently headquartered in jos. all the amphibious battalions we currently have (Port Harcourt and Calabar) are all subunits of 82 division, as it is the country's specialized div.
With regards to having a new marine force, I don't think it's necessary. What we need to do is focus on the amphibious battalions we have. We need to provide them with additional patrol boats, fast attack crafts, landing crafts, hovercrafts, communication kits, and body armour. We also need to provide the airforce units that support these battalions with more attack and transport helicopters as they come in very handy during patrols and combat insertion and extraction. We also need maritime recon assets like more fixed wing aircrafts and unmanned arial vehicles (UAVs). But what we need mostly is a change in our training doctrine. That means we need more training in counter-insurgency warfare, river-rine patrols, counter-terror ops, recon and surveillance, urban terrain ops, and direct action. We also need more officers and NCOs that can think on their feet and outside the box.
Now, the Nigerian military has actually acquired some of these assets. These include maritime patrol aircrafts (2 ATR-48s & 2 A-109s) for the airforce and navy respectively, and a high tech surveillance system that includes two UAVs from Israel for the navy, and two unmanned seaborne vehicles for the navy (also isreali). The establishment of new special operations units in the army, navy, and police also marks a change in thinking within the military. However, a lot still needs to be done.

Very good ,you seem to have an idea of military formation & equipment, but certainly not history. Read my previous post. . .  .Gen Adekunle renamed the Infantry Division –“Marine Commandos”, they were engaged largely in terrestrial warfare Eastern Nigeria ,so what they were involved  with wasn’t entirely amphibious in nature.
On the issue of amphibious battalions (like the one in PH) a battalion by definition  consists of about 3 companies(wch consists of about 3 platoons and so on),this is too small. Added to the fact that the specialist training required for Marine functions is a career long one ,like Infantry ,Amoured etc. You rise through the ranks with more knowledge on this  kind of warfare,not that you were working at 1st Infantry Division , Kaduna, tomorrow you are transferred to ‘Amphibious’ battalion.
So it’s a career-long Corps that is needed like Signals,Artillery etc
So its not just about acquiring obsolete equipment,but having a strategic focus
The navy’s jobs is different as you can get from my previous posts.
GoldCircle:

if you ask me, I think this idea of Marine force is totally unnecessary & would be a total waste and duplication of law enforcement organs!
We have total marine borders I excess of 3,000 kms ,any sensible & responsible govt  know they need this in addition to properly equipped Coast   Guard system, Port Security etc. These are very different from ,though similar to naval duties
Re: Call For Establishment Of Nigerian Marine Force by tayo4lif: 1:58pm On Jul 16, 2009
Then they should start the marine in lagos.
Re: Call For Establishment Of Nigerian Marine Force by CGKing(m): 1:59pm On Jul 16, 2009
So we should disband the military & transfer all the personnel to Social Welfare ministry?

Emphatically YES. Is it not common sense to have FIRST [b]something [/b]to secure before moving on to create security?  Its just another valid reason to dip into the treasury.
Re: Call For Establishment Of Nigerian Marine Force by OYBMEND: 5:23pm On Jul 16, 2009
Jairzinho:

many thanks for all your intelligent contributions
My reactions:So we should disband the military & transfer all the personnel to Social Welfare ministry?

If I read the topic right

it was never about the existence of the current army. It is starting a new Military establishment when we have been unable to fund the existing ones.

If your call for Marine Corps is not because of MEND why are u asking for a new military establishment? and why cant we improve the existing ones?

After all we have gracefully handed Bakasi free of charge to Cameroun, so why are we forming Armys here and there? What use are they in 21st Century? are we planning to attack anyone? the only inter-country dispute we have is Bakassi and we chikened out.

Why new waste of money forming a new military establishment?

I have said it before, our National Security challenges include Poverty, no electricity, no schools, no roads, no hospitals etc.
If your establishmment of marine corps will resolves any of these issues, I will join you to encourage President Yar'adua to dump his elusive 7 point agenda and adopt your idea.

I also find it amazing that you dont consider these issues ravaging Nigeria as a National Security issue, you want to dismiss them as a social issue in a derogatory form. These issues are both social and National security issues.
Re: Call For Establishment Of Nigerian Marine Force by Jairzinho(m): 6:50pm On Jul 16, 2009
You have some valid points my friend. . ,
Re: Call For Establishment Of Nigerian Marine Force by Onlytruth(m): 10:44pm On Jul 16, 2009
You need to train the one you have first to differentiate between war and "kill and go".  To understand that even wars have rules and conventions. Train a modern military first! A modern military does not engage in rapes and pillages. They respect Geneva conventions of war. They are not used to rig elections. Nigerian military needs a total overhaul. The civil war impact never left, so we have the "Odis" and "Zaki biams".
Until you restructure and modernise it, Nigerians should be wary of arming them even with sticks!
Re: Call For Establishment Of Nigerian Marine Force by Onlytruth(m): 10:48pm On Jul 16, 2009
OYB_MEND:

If I read the topic right

it was never about the existence of the current army. It is starting a new Military establishment when we have been unable to fund the existing ones.

If your call for Marine Corps is not because of MEND why are u asking for a new military establishment? and why cant we improve the existing ones?

After all we have gracefully handed Bakasi free of charge to Cameroun, so why are we forming Armys here and there? What use are they in 21st Century? are we planning to attack anyone? the only inter-country dispute we have is Bakassi and we chikened out.

Why new waste of money forming a new military establishment?

I have said it before, our National Security challenges include Poverty, no electricity, no schools, no roads, no hospitals etc.
If your establishmment of marine corps will resolves any of these issues, I will join you to encourage President Yar'adua to dump his elusive 7 point agenda and adopt your idea.

I also find it amazing that you dont consider these issues ravaging Nigeria as a National Security issue, you want to dismiss them as a social issue in a derogatory form. These issues are both social and National security issues.



I couldn't agree more!
Re: Call For Establishment Of Nigerian Marine Force by Zeral: 12:02pm On Jul 17, 2009
I am amazed at the lack of knowledge of the so-called Nigerian Elites which you guys happen to belong to. The basic issues have not been addressed regarding the structure of Nigerian Military. After leading my troops into Battle in 3 wars for the United States, I must say to you that it is depressing that the Elitist Nigerians of my home country still do not know the difference between the Armed forces and Law enforcement.

No Military man in Nigeria should carry any sort of Arms within the Country unless they are in the process of being deployed. Outside of the Military Barracks, the military are subject to civilian codes. This includes carrying unlicensed firearms. If Nigeria wishes to address civilian out-breaks then a separate force should be created called the National Guards. This will be the only deploy-able force to deal with unrest within the country. Soldiers may be deployed along the National borders to deter hostile neighbors only. Soldiers are not trained to keep peace, we are trained to kill and protect our country. Peacekeeping requires special training which remains in the domain of the National Guards. In the case of Coastal waters which need to be protected, there is a need for a Coastal guard force. The mission for this force will be to protect the Territorial Integrity of the Country and prevent foreigners from encroaching on our Territorial wealth or illegally migrating into the country.

Please keep in mind that the Chinese are known to send their ships into exclusive economic zones of many African countries to fish in their waters illegally. This includes Nigeria and this is part of why the United States recommended setting up the command code-named Africom to assist Governments like Nigeria, who fail to protect their economic wealth in Fisheries. A lot of Nigerian money is being stolen by the Chinese fishing off our coasts illegally.

Law Enforcement and civil code remains in the hands of the Nigerian Police forces. This is a very ill-advised scheme that allows central Politicians to wield unfair power within various parts of the country. In the United States, various bodies of law enforcement based on the level of civil needs and breakdown. There is the City Police which is trained to deal with Metropolitan Issues, There are the County Police which are spread over wide areas of Rural Land. And then there are the State Police, and their Bureau's of Investigation which are the counterparts of the FBI within the State. Finally, there are the Federal Police such as FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation) and ATF (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms). These are policing forces that have the powers to deal with Interstate crimes and crimes involving High level officials at State Levels. They are also empowered to investigate any crimes of hate and ethnicity such as racial, and discriminatory ones.

The Police are not the Armed forces. yes they may be allowed to carry arms, but the are basically supposed to be trained to keep peace. The Military on the other hand are supposed to be trained to kill and win wars. In the case of the United States, our doctrine includes overwhelming the enemy and removing their ability to want to fight. The only time the Military can be deployed in the United States will require the existence of an enemy invasion and martial law being declared. When martial law is declared then Generals take over the governing of designated areas and are left to decide how to engage the enemies while protecting the lives of civilians. Please make no mistakes that if local politicians try to obstruct the job of these Generals, they will be promptly locked up and kept out of the way until mission is accomplished.

As a Nigerian American who has served and led his troops in 3 Wars including the 1st Iraqui and 2nd Iraqui under 3 commander in Chiefs, I will advise the Nigerian Government to revisit the structure of it's armed forces and clearly define the roles between Policing and fighting wars. I train my men properly and adequately equip them to be the best fighting machines in the World. When there is a chance that their life is in danger, their standing order is to protect life and property by promptly eliminating the enemy threat. Make no mistake, they are allowed to use overwhelming force in this case which is our doctrine. Politicians meddling with soldiering is the worst thing that can happen to the Military. The Niger-Delta mission should have been left alone for a Mission accomplishment.

THE FEW, THE BEST THE US MARINES!!!!!

SEMPER FIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!
Re: Call For Establishment Of Nigerian Marine Force by CGKing(m): 12:44pm On Jul 17, 2009
Zeral

Welcome to Nairaland grin!!

I feel sorry that it is sad thing that with all ur know how and the fact that all you can contribute to ur own country will end up in the soon to be forgotten pages of a website. It hurts man, it hurts. And even though Nigeia may appear to be backward, we have alot of intelligent men here, greed is not making it work. Everything you said is already evident in the Nigerian security system, so Im not sure whom in particular you are addressing.

Take care man.
Re: Call For Establishment Of Nigerian Marine Force by CGKing(m): 12:56pm On Jul 17, 2009
By the way Zeral,

You know we have a Niger Deltan problem up here in naija. Any chance you guys can loan us just one NUKE? So we can solve this once and for all? Pls?
Re: Call For Establishment Of Nigerian Marine Force by ocelot2006(m): 3:24pm On Jul 17, 2009
Zeral:

I am amazed at the lack of knowledge of the so-called Nigerian Elites which you guys happen to belong to. The basic issues have not been addressed regarding the structure of Nigerian Military. After leading my troops into Battle in 3 wars for the United States, I must say to you that it is depressing that the Elitist Nigerians of my home country still do not know the difference between the Armed forces and Law enforcement.

No Military man in Nigeria should carry any sort of Arms within the Country unless they are in the process of being deployed. Outside of the Military Barracks, the military are subject to civilian codes. This includes carrying unlicensed firearms. If Nigeria wishes to address civilian out-breaks then a separate force should be created called the National Guards.[color=#990000][/color] This will be the only deploy-able force to deal with unrest within the country. Soldiers may be deployed along the National borders to deter hostile neighbors only. Soldiers are not trained to keep peace, we are trained to kill and protect our country. Peacekeeping requires special training which remains in the domain of the National Guards. In the case of Coastal waters which need to be protected, there is a need for a Coastal guard force. The mission for this force will be to protect the Territorial Integrity of the Country and prevent foreigners from encroaching on our Territorial wealth or illegally migrating into the country.

Please keep in mind that the Chinese are known to send their ships into exclusive economic zones of many African countries to fish in their waters illegally. This includes Nigeria and this is part of why the United States recommended setting up the command code-named Africom to assist Governments like Nigeria, who fail to protect their economic wealth in Fisheries. A lot of Nigerian money is being stolen by the Chinese fishing off our coasts illegally.

Law Enforcement and civil code remains in the hands of the Nigerian Police forces. This is a very ill-advised scheme that allows central Politicians to wield unfair power within various parts of the country. In the United States, various bodies of law enforcement based on the level of civil needs and breakdown. There is the City Police which is trained to deal with Metropolitan Issues, There are the County Police which are spread over wide areas of Rural Land. And then there are the State Police, and their Bureau's of Investigation which are the counterparts of the FBI within the State. Finally, there are the Federal Police such as FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation) and ATF (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms). These are policing forces that have the powers to deal with Interstate crimes and crimes involving High level officials at State Levels. They are also empowered to investigate any crimes of hate and ethnicity such as racial, and discriminatory ones.

The Police are not the Armed forces. yes they may be allowed to carry arms, but the are basically supposed to be trained to keep peace. The Military on the other hand are supposed to be trained to kill and win wars. In the case of the United States, our doctrine includes overwhelming the enemy and removing their ability to want to fight. The only time the Military can be deployed in the United States will require the existence of an enemy invasion and martial law being declared. When martial law is declared then Generals take over the governing of designated areas and are left to decide how to engage the enemies while protecting the lives of civilians. Please make no mistakes that if local politicians try to obstruct the job of these Generals, they will be promptly locked up and kept out of the way until mission is accomplished.

As a Nigerian American who has served and led his troops in 3 Wars including the 1st Iraqui and 2nd Iraqui under 3 commander in Chiefs, I will advise the Nigerian Government to revisit the structure of it's armed forces and clearly define the roles between Policing and fighting wars. I train my men properly and adequately equip them to be the best fighting machines in the World. When there is a chance that their life is in danger, their standing order is to protect life and property by promptly eliminating the enemy threat. Make no mistake, they are allowed to use overwhelming force in this case which is our doctrine. Politicians meddling with soldiering is the worst thing that can happen to the Military. The Niger-Delta mission should have been left alone for a Mission accomplishment.

THE FEW, THE BEST THE US MARINES!!!!!

SEMPER FIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!


Things are quite different over here than they are in the US. The Nigerian Military carries out it major operations ONLY when the operations drafted and tabled by the various Chiefs-of-staff, the IG, and/or the Directors of the State Security Service (SSS) and the National Intelligence Agency (NIA) are approved both the Minister of Defence and ultimately the President (who is the CinC). So yes, the military takes command from civilians.

With regards to the military bearing arms, again this is not the United States where military operations are forbidden within the country. Apart from the Niger-Delta region, the military personnels serving in formations in other states are always confined to their respective barracks, and are used only at the request of the state governor in situations that cannot be handled only by the Police (extreme religious uprising, natural disasters, etc). However, the security situation in the Niger-Delta states, especially Rivers and Delta state, is quite dire. The militants that operate within these regions are armed with quite sophisticated arms of far higher caliber than that owned by the Nigerian Police Force (50 cal machine guns, gpmg, RPGs, MG-42s, and Russian PK machine guns). The Nigerian Police Force units that operate within these regions simply cannot march them arm-wise as the max. weapon they allowed to operate are assualt rifles (K-2s, FN-FALs, AK-47s, FN-FNCs), and the max. caliber they use is the 7.62mm. Even the Mobile Police Force (MOPOL) squadrons, seen as an elite unit within the Police, (eg. squadron 19) that operate within these regions are far too stretched as they don't only have to protect innocent civilians, but also the country's assets spread in different locations. And I haven't even mentioned the number of police officers killed, or the number of stations destroyed. This is where the military comes in, and trust me, everyone's happy that they did.

With regards to civilian outbreaks, that is being handled by the Mobile Police squadrons of the Nigeria Police Force, not the army. The establishment of a National guard isn't necessary.
Re: Call For Establishment Of Nigerian Marine Force by ocelot2006(m): 3:41pm On Jul 17, 2009
Jairzinho:

many thanks for all your intelligent contributions
My reactions:So we should disband the military & transfer all the personnel to Social Welfare ministry?This NOT becos of MEND,I fully support the idae(maybe not the methods) of valiant MEND !Very good ,you seem to have an idea of military formation & equipment, but certainly not history. Read my previous post. . . .Gen Adekunle renamed the Infantry Division –“Marine Commandos”, they were engaged largely in terrestrial warfare Eastern Nigeria ,so what they were involved with wasn’t entirely amphibious in nature.
On the issue of amphibious battalions (like the one in PH) a battalion by definition consists of about 3 companies(wch consists of about 3 platoons and so on),this is too small. Added to the fact that the specialist training required for Marine functions is a career long one ,like Infantry ,Amoured etc. You rise through the ranks with more knowledge on this kind of warfare,not that you were working at 1st Infantry Division , Kaduna, tomorrow you are transferred to ‘Amphibious’ battalion.
So it’s a career-long Corps that is needed like Signals,Artillery etc
So its not just about acquiring obsolete equipment,but having a strategic focus
The navy’s jobs is different as you can get from my previous posts.We have total marine borders I excess of 3,000 kms ,any sensible & responsible govt know they need this in addition to properly equipped Coast Guard system, Port Security etc. These are very different from ,though similar to naval duties


I wish to correct a point I made on the military formation located in Port Harcourt. It is actually the 2nd Amphibious Brigade, not 3rd Amphibious battalion. But please note that it isn't the only amphibious brigade (Calabar).

That being said, I am afraid you may not be on the 3rd marine commando division. Yes it was renamed by Col. Adekunle (black scorpion) and it definitely saw action further east (eg Owerri were it later lost after being cut-off from supplies). But the 3rd marine commando, lead initialy Col. Adekunle and later by Col. Olusegun Obasanjo, was renamed due to its own theatre of operations, this being the South-South region. Its operations defintely involved the use of maritime/naval assets, hence the name Marine Commando. This division actually pioneered the use of amphibious tactics in the Nigeria Army.
Re: Call For Establishment Of Nigerian Marine Force by sley4life(m): 4:10pm On Jul 17, 2009
To fight MEND or what?
Re: Call For Establishment Of Nigerian Marine Force by manny4life(m): 3:59am On Jul 19, 2009
Zeral:

I am amazed at the lack of knowledge of the so-called Nigerian Elites which you guys happen to belong to. The basic issues have not been addressed regarding the structure of Nigerian Military. After leading my troops into Battle in 3 wars for the United States, I must say to you that it is depressing that the Elitist Nigerians of my home country still do not know the difference between the Armed forces and Law enforcement.

No Military man in Nigeria should carry any sort of Arms within the Country unless they are in the process of being deployed. Outside of the Military Barracks, the military are subject to civilian codes. This includes carrying unlicensed firearms. If Nigeria wishes to address civilian out-breaks then a separate force should be created called the National Guards. This will be the only deploy-able force to deal with unrest within the country. Soldiers may be deployed along the National borders to deter hostile neighbors only. Soldiers are not trained to keep peace, we are trained to kill and protect our country. Peacekeeping requires special training which remains in the domain of the National Guards. In the case of Coastal waters which need to be protected, there is a need for a Coastal guard force. The mission for this force will be to protect the Territorial Integrity of the Country and prevent foreigners from encroaching on our Territorial wealth or illegally migrating into the country.

Please keep in mind that the Chinese are known to send their ships into exclusive economic zones of many African countries to fish in their waters illegally. This includes Nigeria and this is part of why the United States recommended setting up the command code-named Africom to assist Governments like Nigeria, who fail to protect their economic wealth in Fisheries. A lot of Nigerian money is being stolen by the Chinese fishing off our coasts illegally.

Law Enforcement and civil code remains in the hands of the Nigerian Police forces. This is a very ill-advised scheme that allows central Politicians to wield unfair power within various parts of the country. In the United States, various bodies of law enforcement based on the level of civil needs and breakdown. There is the City Police which is trained to deal with Metropolitan Issues, There are the County Police which are spread over wide areas of Rural Land. And then there are the State Police, and their Bureau's of Investigation which are the counterparts of the FBI within the State. Finally, there are the Federal Police such as FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation) and ATF (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms). These are policing forces that have the powers to deal with Interstate crimes and crimes involving High level officials at State Levels. They are also empowered to investigate any crimes of hate and ethnicity such as racial, and discriminatory ones.

The Police are not the Armed forces. yes they may be allowed to carry arms, but the are basically supposed to be trained to keep peace. The Military on the other hand are supposed to be trained to kill and win wars. In the case of the United States, our doctrine includes overwhelming the enemy and removing their ability to want to fight. The only time the Military can be deployed in the United States will require the existence of an enemy invasion and martial law being declared. When martial law is declared then Generals take over the governing of designated areas and are left to decide how to engage the enemies while protecting the lives of civilians. Please make no mistakes that if local politicians try to obstruct the job of these Generals, they will be promptly locked up and kept out of the way until mission is accomplished.

As a Nigerian American who has served and led his troops in 3 Wars including the 1st Iraqui and 2nd Iraqui under 3 commander in Chiefs, I will advise the Nigerian Government to revisit the structure of it's armed forces and clearly define the roles between Policing and fighting wars. I train my men properly and adequately equip them to be the best fighting machines in the World. When there is a chance that their life is in danger, their standing order is to protect life and property by promptly eliminating the enemy threat. Make no mistake, they are allowed to use overwhelming force in this case which is our doctrine. Politicians meddling with soldiering is the worst thing that can happen to the Military. The Niger-Delta mission should have been left alone for a Mission accomplishment.

THE FEW, THE BEST THE US MARINES!!!!!

        SEMPER FIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!


Thank you Zeral, you hit the nail on the head. I always ask how is it that the Nigerian Govt structured their defense system and its really pathetic to see all the crap going on. This Nigerian Marine Force, I will assume that they more likely to be like the U.S. Navy, perhaps or is it the U.S. coastal guards? Well which ever case it is, I guess more attention should be focused on reinforcing their defense systems rather than creating an entirely new force.
Re: Call For Establishment Of Nigerian Marine Force by manny4life(m): 4:30am On Jul 19, 2009
ocelot2006:

Things are quite different over here than they are in the US. The Nigerian Military carries out it major operations ONLY when the operations drafted and tabled by the various Chiefs-of-staff, the IG, and/or the Directors of the State Security Service (SSS) and the National Intelligence Agency (NIA) are approved both the Minister of Defence and ultimately the President (who is the CinC). So yes, the military takes command from civilians.

With regards to the military bearing arms, again this is not the United States where military operations are forbidden within the country. Apart from the Niger-Delta region, the military personnels serving in formations in other states are always confined to their respective barracks, and are used only at the request of the state governor in situations that cannot be handled only by the Police (extreme religious uprising, natural disasters, etc). However, the security situation in the Niger-Delta states, especially Rivers and Delta state, is quite dire. The militants that operate within these regions are armed with quite sophisticated arms of far higher caliber than that owned by the Nigerian Police Force (50 cal machine guns, gpmg, RPGs, MG-42s, and Russian PK machine guns). The Nigerian Police Force units that operate within these regions simply cannot march them arm-wise as the max. weapon they allowed to operate are assualt rifles (K-2s, FN-FALs, AK-47s, FN-FNCs), and the max. caliber they use is the 7.62mm. Even the Mobile Police Force (MOPOL) squadrons, seen as an elite unit within the Police, (eg. squadron 19) that operate within these regions are far too stretched as they don't only have to protect innocent civilians, but also the country's assets spread in different locations. And I haven't even mentioned the number of police officers killed, or the number of stations destroyed. This is where the military comes in, and trust me, everyone's happy that they did.

With regards to civilian outbreaks, that is being handled by the Mobile Police squadrons of the Nigeria Police Force, not the army. The establishment of a National guard isn't necessary.

Well that is the point Zeral is trying to make. I believe in the entire defense network, Nigeria should have separation of powers.

First of, military activities shouldn't concern the IG (Inspector General of Police), and neither should it concern the State Security Service (SSS), it should only be concern the Minister of defense, military cheif-of-staff and obviously the president.

The Niger/Delta region is quite a hell of a problem but shouldn't concern the military either because they are not engaged in warfare. Just like Zerel said, deploying peace keeping National Guards would have been the best, but I guess Nigeria doesn't have that unit hence the reason why the military steps in. WRONG.

Obviously state law permits the sophistication of weapons a street police is allowed to carry that is why the National Guard would have been the best. Besides, Nigerian Govt need do better to reinforce their defense network and equipment.

In all, all I'm trying to say is that Nigerian Govt needs to restructure the entire defense department and system into several classification both at state and federal levels. In my own opinion, the Govt has so much oversight powers and that is why they cannot perform. Here would be my recomendation:

Dept of Defense

Military (Army, Navy, Air force, Marines, Coast Guard, National Guard)

Federal Defense and Intelligence Agencies (NSA, CIA, DIA , DSS, DISA, DHS etc).

Don't forget that all this agencies have sub-agencies like Dept of Homeland Security has about six other agencies. Again, like I said, they need this agencies for security classification. It wouldn't hurt for them to start classifying documents into their classes.
Re: Call For Establishment Of Nigerian Marine Force by Nezan(m): 3:19pm On Jul 21, 2009
sley4life:

To fight MEND or what?
we go lyk am-o, wit this bombing of Lagos
Re: Call For Establishment Of Nigerian Marine Force by Dede1(m): 9:24pm On Jul 21, 2009
This is another idiotic and silly idea instigated by dull mind of imitators in the jungle called Nigeria. The Marine Corps in United States of America or the Royal Marines of United Kingdom are motorized and rapid deployment infantry forces. USA Marines Corps is attached to Navy because of the birth history of the force and the ability of the Navy to handle the logistic headache involved in deployment of huge mechanized infantry divisions.
Re: Call For Establishment Of Nigerian Marine Force by Jairzinho(m): 2:37pm On Jul 22, 2009
Dede1:

This is another idiotic and silly idea instigated by dull mind of imitators in the jungle called Nigeria. The Marine Corps in United States of America or the Royal Marines of United Kingdom are motorized and rapid deployment infantry forces. USA Marines Corps is attached to Navy because of the birth history of the force and the ability of the Navy to handle the logistic headache involved in deployment of huge mechanized infantry divisions.
Are u disgruntled. . . . ? why the beef? grin
Re: Call For Establishment Of Nigerian Marine Force by Jairzinho(m): 10:38pm On Jul 30, 2009
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Re: Call For Establishment Of Nigerian Marine Force by raymondinc(m): 11:32pm On May 22, 2013
Zeral! You have spoken well. I wish our current president (His excellency Goodluck Ebele Jonathan) will have to take note of your points and deal with this welcome ideals by so doing the military and other form of securities will regain their rights and importance as well as discharging their duties effectively in accordance to their criterias. Why would a civilian issue out orders when we all know that all these crimes are been committed by the civilians with a reliable supports by the politicians whom takes it upon themselves to pump in money for these raskas to carry out their duties given them. They even ensure the safety arrival of sophisticated firearms by mere using their names to clear the way with orders backing it up. So tell me, how can an agent or security personel whom wouldn't want to lose his job stand against such command even when he knows that it isn't right. And another thing is that establishing special marine corp that is going to stand on its own without breaking into other forces to create a firm marine is going to reduce unemployment too. Because when we talk about the rate of crime we should be able to look at the rate of unemployment, this should be conducted in such a way that not only the degree holders are entitled to these opportunities because not every body can afford universities and polytechnics by so doing there will be lesser crimes and maximum peace. Thank you!

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