Dont worry about it. Rather forget about it. The qualification required for it you dont have. You are probably chasing after the Abuja women, spending all your salary on trying to get some. Or you let women give you money? I call that prostitution!

[size=14pt]I will allow the insult pass, but neither did I say I was interested in your so called unlimited sex paradise[/size]

Leave the Fatawa of  the Ayatollah and Satanic  verses of rushdie, alone and lets talk about the Comforter business in the other thread. I promise you we will return to satanic erses for sure! Deal? Good

[size=14pt]Why are you people afraid of discussing it?[/size]
[size=14pt]Be fair, I answered your questions on that thread, didn't you check? [/size]

@Nezan: I am original Nigerian man. You cant tell me anything about young man and young woman, in Nigeria. The relationship is simply sexual. I am sure I did not insult you by my comment, otherwise you will not let it slide!

And on the "Comforter" issue, you answered nothing! You did not tell me who was the former Comforter. After you do that, we will graduate to the "another" Comforter.

Then we can come to the Satanic Verses, since that is what you want. I am ready for a mature dialogue, unless you wanna pass on the "former Comforter" because you know nothing about it? Hence I am going to draw inference that you will not know nothing about the "another Comforter", too!

When you have the strenght to speak up, I will lecture you about "former and another Comforters"; their natures, duties and other matters, both from the remnant of it, still in the Bible and the very simple information, complete and direct from the Quran!

I am original Nigerian man. You cant tell me anything about young man and young woman, in Nigeria. The relationship is simply sexual. I am sure I did not insult you by my comment, otherwise you will not let it slide!

[size=14pt]I can see you lack manners. You are trying to provoke me, but thank God I have grown pass dat. For your information, I am happily married with children, not some overzealous little boy. Respect my family, man.[/size]

And on the "Comforter" issue, you answered nothing! You did not tell me who was the former Comforter. After you do that, we will graduate to the "another" Comforter.

[size=14pt]This is not the thread we are discussing this issue. However, you ought to look through my post on the comforter on the thread we were discussing. The comforter is the Holy spirit. He was, He is, and shall continue to be, not some mortal human beign with a time limit. We christians worship God in the spirit, not on ablution, believing that you are washing your sins [/size]

Then we can come to the Satanic Verses, since that is what you want. I am ready for a mature dialogue, unless you wanna pass on the "former Comforter" because you know nothing about it? Hence I am going to draw inference that you will not know nothing about the "another Comforter", too

[size=14pt]Ha ha ha, you have dodged discussing the satanic verses issue again glibly. Why are you guys so afraid of discussing it?[/size]

When you have the strenght to speak up, I will lecture you about "former and another Comforters"; their natures, duties and other matters, both from the remnant of it, still in the Bible and the very simple information, complete and direct from the Quran!

[size=14pt]Ha ha ha, who needs to learn from a book that contains satanic verses? so funny of you [/size]

sleek29:

i think we should give mo some respect here,the guy battled the poisoned for 3years, he thought he could do it alone or that the devil would help him, paul did not even notice he was bitten by a snake not to talk of battling it for 3 years. o ma se ooo, piss be upon him

@Nezan: Ha ha ha ha ha! Ad you have not told us who the Former COMFORTER was!

Nezan, ask Sleek29 to help you on the Former Comforter and then he can participate in the Another Comforter!

Nezan you lack home training, do you realize that you are talking to my father, olabowale. Let me get hold of you men , your wife go cry full bucket

Sleek, you think say you get mouth, ba ?
How about this

mathew 27 to the end of the verse, jesus suffered and died a miserable death with thieves. Hahahaha. Messiah indeed

and he came back to life, but mo's grave is in arabia.

Which life ? The devil disguise as jesus and your folks believe in it, jesus said he will rise on monday and not sunday mathew 12:40, on monday jesus did not rise lol. Failed prophecy

on the third you fool, friday(1st day), saturday(2nd day),sunday(3rd day), you clearly have problems with english

olabowale:

@Nezan: Ha ha ha ha ha! Ad you have not told us who the Former COMFORTER was!

Are you dat dumb? it is the Holy Spirit all the way

olabowale:

Nezan, ask Sleek29 to help you on the Former Comforter and then he can participate in the Another Comforter!

I have been answering your questions while you have not answered mine. Speak out on the Satanic Verses, man

Abuzola:

Nezan you lack home training, do you realize that you are talking to my father, olabowale. Let me get hold of you men , your wife go cry full bucket

You are too small to threaten me man. Don't you know your brother terrorist fear me?

@Nezan: I real man, slek29 had the courage to approach my inquiry about Former Comforter and another comfoter. Yet you dock it through. I will open a thread of in soon for a healthy conversation.

Now on the satanic verse, what Ayatollah siad was said by Ayatollah. follow Muhammad (AS) an those who followed him (RA) an those are following him (ra) and the ones who are aive, today in that traition. I will not follwo a man or woman who is not follwoing Muhammad, when he is not, I will stop following him and follow those who are following Muhammad on the specific mater.

To set the stage for a conversation on the satanic verses. Ten I will respond as much as Allah gives me knowledge. I will wait for your statement of introduction. If you wish, we can start a thread on it. And will stay on the subject without deviating. If I raise the thread, I will simply ask you to start the accusation or allegation or statement of fact according to your undertanding. My job is to proof that noting like that happened. An if it did it proved Muhamma (AS) prophethood, regardless! I will then introduce Jesus. definitely introduce John son of zakariyyah and then Moses.

I real man, slek29 had the courage to approach my inquiry about Former Comforter and another comfoter. Yet you dock it through. I will open a thread of in soon for a healthy conversation.

[size=14pt]Better open it. But the response I gave you about the comforter in the other thread is hanging though. What beats my imagination is why muslims say the bible is corrupt but yet, try to force themselves into the same corrupt bible

Why can't you guys produce the original bible? [/size]

Now on the satanic verse, what Ayatollah siad was said by Ayatollah. follow Muhammad (AS) an those who followed him (RA) an those are following him (ra) and the ones who are aive, today in that traition. I will not follwo a man or woman who is not follwoing Muhammad, when he is not, I will stop following him and follow those who are following Muhammad on the specific mater.

[size=14pt]You mean you are now denying Ayatollah? Are you people not reading the same koran? Do you know that the man is a well respected islamic cleric? Do you know that the fatwa he placed on Rushdie was recognised throughout the middle east as legitimate? Do you know Rushdie had to run to Britain to avoid been killed by the same muslim brotherhood? Do you know that the book was banned through out the islamic world? You mean you are now more faithful than your muslim brothers from the middle east? Stop deceiving yourself, Islam is a delusion.[/size]

To set the stage for a conversation on the satanic verses. Ten I will respond as much as Allah gives me knowledge. I will wait for your statement of introduction. If you wish, we can start a thread on it. And will stay on the subject without deviating. If I raise the thread, I will simply ask you to start the accusation or allegation or statement of fact according to your undertanding. My job is to proof that noting like that happened. An if it did it proved Muhamma (AS) prophethood, regardless! I will then introduce Jesus. definitely introduce John son of zakariyyah and then Moses.

[size=14pt]Why are you guyz afraid of discussing it on this thread? In all the threads we have discussed this, you merely dance around words, looking for an excuse to run away, funny [/size]

@sleek, you are super dunce, how many hours make a day ? Isn't it 24 hours, from friday to saturday 24 hrs make a day. What a dunce

@nezan, i did not threaten you but thats just the fact. Your wife go cry full bucket if you continue such an attitude

Did the former comforter eat food, sleeps, bleed, has blood running thru his veins, prayed, e.t.c, or is the former comforter invisible like a ghost .When we understand the true nature of the former, then we should know what the 'another' would be like.

Abuzola:

@sleek, you are super dunce, how many hours make a day ? Isn't it 24 hours, from friday to saturday 24 hrs make a day. What a dunce

you seem not to understand simple English, i wasn't talking about 24 hours but i said on the third day(the first day inclusive), for instance today,tomorrow and the next, on the third day is different from ''in three days'' .

and why can't you people understand who a comforter is, ''somebody who helps to relieve other people's grief or anxieties'', Jesus came to relieve us of our grief,sadness with the gospel(good news), OF COURSE HE'S THE COMFORTER and the only difference is that the other comforter is going to live inside of us and not with us, Jesus lived with us but The Holy Spirit lives in us.

@Sleek29:

OF COURSE HE'S THE COMFORTER and the only difference is that the other comforter is going to live inside of us and not with us, Jesus lived with us but The Holy Spirit lives in us.

Even though I have respcet for you, because of your boldness, and the assumed, in pretention to be honst, I am sure that you will not find anywhere in the Bible where the ANOTHER COMFORTER is expected to dwell inside you! You simply have just made that up, from where you got your idea for it, I simply do not know.

The basic premise described by Jesus of the another Comforter is that he is a gender specific entity, and have/had an audible voice, speaking very clearly to humans who heard/hears him, as he teaches/taught them, reminding them and honoring Jesus, even as he is the teacher of those things Jesus could not teach those people with him who were not developed enough for him to tell them, leaving the the JOB to the another! But those who were with Jesus, like those who were with previous prophets, as they followed and obeyed their injuctions were classified as BELIEVERS, people of FAITH. Unfortunately those who followed Jesus were of little faith. It is faith, its level in a people, when it climbs up to a level that the disciple did not have that the Another Comforter will be able to do those things that Jesus found the disciples ill equiped for.

If the Holy Spirit is the Another as you have postulated above, we have to ask; who heardhis voice, how and when and what new thing did he teach, what did he say about Jesus that was not known when Jesus was there with them or here with humans, whatcontroversy was settled by this holy spirit, what reminder did the holy spirit bring about? If you say that the holy spirit talks from your inside, remember that some of the people thought that its role was a one time thing, hence you and anyone aftre that one time thing does not have holy spirit. Where is his writing or it just minister to individual as needed? Where do you personally wrote what he told, while he told Nezan, etc diffrenet things?

You need to support your statement with verifiable evidence(s)! Whats so interesting is that if something is talking to you from your inside, and his voice is not heard, which is against the holy spirit description, that thing inside you maybe your conscience or the devil talking! Dont listen to the devil inside you. It will only lead you far from the truth. I have my theory and it is proveable from the Quran who the Another Comforter is. Such an entity fits what Jesus said the Another Comforter will be. Unlike the ghostly thing you are masking for us, the Another Comforter is Human, just like Jesus son of mary! But I will only tell you after I have exhausted you of all your options and gimmicks.


Again, my hat off to you. Yu are different fro those who among the Christian Nairalanders who are afraid to answer this question: daviylan, $Osisi, Nezan, Noetic are all among them.

[b]''But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to me in Judea and Samaria and to the end of the earth'' Acts1:8,  [/b]

Jesus told the disciples this before the ascension, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth, the Spirit that teaches us, gives us boldness to preach the gospel
''Behold I send the promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high'' Luke 24:49

The disciples had boldness with Christ around,every follower would feel that way when his master's is around and even after the crucifixion peter showed that lack of boldness by denying Christ which is why the resurrected Christ told them to wait until power came from above.
Christ was the logos(word,reason,intellect) in the flesh that we could hear,see,touch with our physical senses, The Holy Spirit is the logos that dwells in us,the one your physical mind can't comprehend.,

And He teaches us everyday, when the logos(word) gets into you, rhema(word for the now) is what comes out, so its easy for you to apply this divine wisdom to changing situations in life,for example how would you know porn movies are immoral since there wasn't TV at the time the bible was written,its the Holy Spirit that teaches you that its immoral.

its easy for you to have the Holy Spirit, just acknowledge Christ as your personal lord and saviour,study the scriptures and ask for the Holy Spirit to dwell in your heart and then you'll begin to hear from Him.

its easy for you to know if its the devil or God that's talking to you,its what you put inside that'll determine what you hear, you can't be reading or watching immoral things and then suddenly hear from God, and anything that contradicts what is written in the scriptures is not from God, for example you well know Jesus says you should turn the other cheek and a voice says you should retaliate,easy that's the devil speaking

''For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness,righteousness, and truth''Ephesians 5:9

@Sleek29: « #58 on: Today at 09:40:54 AM »

''But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to me in Judea and Samaria and to the end of the earth'' Acts1:8,

Arent you ashamed to quote Act 18 and hang it on Jesus? Act was after Jesus was lifted. No? I want you to hang yourself.

Jesus told the disciples this before the ascension, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth, the Spirit that teaches us, gives us boldness to preach the gospel''Behold I send the promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high'' Luke 24:49

Where did Jesus promise that the holy spirit shall act beyond the time of the disciples? Read your Bible, again! Its either that the holy spirit dealt strictly with the disciples in their times and they wrote what he said down. Or the holy spirit did not appear to them and the reason nothing of his teaching was documented! If the later condition is true, them some later generation saw the holy spirit walked, talked, ate, slept, defended Jesus, taught, etc as Jesus had described. And if you cant identify this holy spirit that came later, then what you think is talking to you frm your inside is satan. The holy spirit must have repeated what he heard and it must have been written down by those who heard him. You can argue from Christian point that it is Saul who became Paul (lol), and I may even understand it, based on the post Jesus writing that he dominated in the Bible! Then of course the Bible threw him out as a possible holy spirit since he was not the only post Jesus writer.


What did the Christian holy spirit teach? Nothing recorded since the holyspirit did not come to the Christians who have bastardized Jesus religion, his teachings, etc.

Matthew 12:40
King James Bible: 'For as Jonah was THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS in the whale's belly, so shall the son of man be THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS in the heart of the earth.
American standard version: 'For as Jonah was THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS in the belly of the whale, so shall the son of man be THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS in the heart of the earth.
New International version: 'For as Jonah was THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS in the belly of a huge fish, so shall the son of man be THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS in the heart of the earth.'
Nowhere does it say on the third day. It says 3 days; 24 hours.
And nowhere does Jesus Christ specifically say the comforter is the holy spirit. You are just trying to force the meaning of the verses to be something they are not.

@olabowale, acts 1:8 was a statement made by Jesus himself before ascension,reading from verse 4,@@And being assembled together with them.He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, ''which'' He(Jesus) said you have heard from Me,(5) ''For John truly baptized with wate, but you (the disciples) shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.''
and then read on you'll see that they were having this conversations with Christ until the 9th verse when he ascended.

So the question is who are the disciples? The disciples were first called Christians in Antioch, he was talking to us all,when you become born again you receive the Holy Spirit and that makes you a disciple and a witness and as they were named in Antioch, a Christian

And the teachings of the Holy Spirit is found everywhere in the bible, the Spirit worked in the apostles ''And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues,as the Spirit gave them utterance acts 2:4

''Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise(the promise of the Holy Spirit) is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

Paul did what he did because of the Holy Spirit, he received the Holy Spirit through the disciples, that promise is for all mankind, and as many as those who ask they shall receive.

Abuzola:

@nezan, i did not threaten you but thats just the fact. Your wife go cry full bucket if you continue such an attitude

[size=14pt]Is this guy lunatic??[/size]

Sleek29:

So the question is who are the disciples? The disciples were first called Christians in Antioch, he was talking to us all,when you become born again you receive the Holy Spirit and that makes you a disciple and a witness and as they were named in Antioch, a Christian

Talking to you all, was not in the card of Jesus promise of the holy spirit. Its either the holy spirit was meant for the disciples, only or its for later generations. Make up your mind, man! And you see why your deceitfulness is easily vsible even by a little child?

And the teachings of the Holy Spirit is found everywhere in the bible, the Spirit worked in the apostles ''And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues,as the Spirit gave them utterance acts 2:4

Where in the Bible did Jesus say these about the holy spirit? The same way you came about Trinity, I guess. Haa.

''Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Where and when did the holy spirit instructed these things that Peter did except of his own desire, if we consider the functions of the holy spirit as Jesus described them in the Bible? I postulate that it is the evil spirit that worked on him.

39 For the promise(the promise of the Holy Spirit) is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

This is personal desire, a deviation from what Jesus said to his disciples about Holy spirit. Read it, again in your Bible and compare them side by side; Jesus statement about the Holy spirit and what your chrssitian leaders and you are saying about the docile holy spirit! One of the groups must be wrong and it cant be Jesus!

Paul did what he did because of the Holy Spirit, he received the Holy Spirit through the disciples, that promise is for all mankind, and as many as those who ask they shall receive.

Was Paul who was Saul part of the audience promised the experience of the Holy spirit, by Jesus?

Your story above reminds me of what a friend asked a Church lady just yesterday. He asked how many children the woman has, or when the boby was being born, that entity of a baby, how many person(s) or children was he? The woman said one child.

My friend retorted to her, how come you said your child is one entity child, yet the Creator of the World has to be more than One? The woman was like a deer caught in headights at night!