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Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by rexben(m): 9:28pm On Mar 22, 2016
I have searched throughout matthew,mark,luke and John i haven't and yet to see where Jesus commissioned christianity. Christianity was founded by paul. Have you not asked yourself this question why are pastors always preaching and backing up their doctrines with the epistles and rarely the gospel. The answer is that the EPISTLES is the alternative to the GOSPELS(Matthew,mark,luke,john). All religions are institutions of men(man made). No religion is divine or from God. Paul brought Christianity,Mohammed brought Islam,Jews brought Judaism etc. Come out of religion and follow Jesus. Religion can not save you,it can not take you anywhere. Follow Jesus because He is the only way to God. John 8:31-32,Jesus said if you continue in my words,then you are my disciples. And you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free. In order to get eternal life,you have to God through Jesus and not through religion.
Going through Acts 11:25-26 I found something. It was the disciples of Paul that were called Christians. Disciples are students. They were students of Paul because they have been taught by Paul for a year. There is a vast different between the disciples of Jesus and disciples of Paul. They both held the teachings of their teachers high above every other things. I am a disciple of Jesus

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Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by cckris: 9:51pm On Mar 22, 2016
Are you that hopeless, beyond redemption? If you can't find THE NEW COVENANT, promised in Jeremiah 31:31, which was established by Jesus, THE MESSIAH, or CHRIST in Greek, then you're most pitiable among humankind.

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Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by rexben(m): 9:54pm On Mar 22, 2016
cckris:
Are you that hopeless, beyond redemption? If you can't find THE NEW COVENANT, promised in Jeremiah 31:31, which was established by Jesus, THE MESSIAH, or CHRIST in Greek, then you're most pitiable among humankind.
pls i dont get,i will love it if you can explain futher plssss

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Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by cckris: 6:15am On Mar 23, 2016
rexben:
pls i dont get,i will love it if you can explain futher plssss
Ok. Just state which one you don't understand. But you've read the four Gospels.
Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by Peritus(m): 6:41am On Mar 23, 2016
rexben:
I have searched throughout matthew,mark,luke and John i havent and yet to see where Jesus commissioned christianity. Christianity was funded by paul. Have you not asked yourself this question why are pastors always preaching and backing up their doctrines with the epistles and rarely the gospel. The answer is that the EPISTLES is the alternative to the GOSPELS(Matthew,mark,luke,john)
Christ established the new covenant which completely changed the old way of worship. It was this mode of worship that the early Christians were following and preaching when they were called Christians (Christlike people). This means that being a Christian is not about going to church (even devil can enter church). It is about living like Christ and worshipping God as he commanded, which simply means that one loses his identity as a Christian once he is not Christ-like. Christianity is a belief, pattern or spiritual institution and not a physical institution.
The book of John says that time has come when people shall worship God as he truly is thru the help of the Holy Spirit. Christianity is that new order established to worship God in truth and spirit.

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Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by rexben(m): 2:06pm On Mar 23, 2016
cckris:
Are you that hopeless, beyond redemption? If you can't find THE NEW COVENANT, promised in Jeremiah 31:31, which was established by Jesus, THE MESSIAH, or CHRIST in Greek, then you're most pitiable among humankind.
the new covenant is never christianity.Christianity believes you have to be taught by a teacher or pastor or bishop or pope but jeremiah 31:34 no one will have to teach another to know the lord,for it shall be written in their heart. Jesus even said dont be called teachers for one is your teacher which is christ Matthew 23:8
ChristianIty make excuses for Jesus words by quoting the epistles to explain it.
The epistles and the gospels are contraditing,either you follow Jesus or follow Paul(false apostle).

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Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by cckris: 2:20pm On Mar 23, 2016
rexben:
the new covenant is never christianity.Christianity believes you have to be taught by a teacher or pastor or bishop or pope but jeremiah 31:34 no one will have to teach another to know the lord,for it shall be written in their heart. Jesus even said dont be called teachers for one is your teacher which is christ Matthew 23:8
ChristianIty make excuses for Jesus words by quoting the epistles to explain it.
The epistles and the gospels are contraditing,either you follow Jesus or follow Paul(false apostle).
If you're a Christian you'll know that an assembly has people gifted severally, for the good of all. Very beautiful experience of sinners BEING TRANSFORMED, from glory to glory, beyond human expectations.

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Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by rexben(m): 2:27pm On Mar 23, 2016
John 4:20-24 was talking about Jesus and the samaritan. The old form of worship of worship for the samaritans is to worship God on that particular mountain but for the jew is to worship God in jerusalem i.e temples and synagogues. But Jesus gave a new order of worship as commanded by the father. He said you will not worship God on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. He clearly states that in worshipping God not location is needed. It annuls the concepts of churches,temples,synagogues,camps. He continued by saying but the hour comes and now is ,when the truth worshipper will worship the father in spirit and in truth.
No specific location was specified by Jesus. Going to church is wrong. It is continuation of old worship of God that Jesus came to change. To go to church is to disobey Jesus
Looking at the first disciples. They were moving from one house to the other. No specific location.

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Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by rexben(m): 2:32pm On Mar 23, 2016
cckris:

If you're a Christian you'll know that an assembly has people gifted severally, for the good of all. Very beautiful experience of sinners BEING TRANSFORMED, from glory to glory, beyond human expectations.
first of all i am not a christian,i am a disciple of Jesus. From what you are saying the church is a socio-religious institution right. If you say that,you are 100% correct because that is what the church represents

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Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by Empiree: 2:39pm On Mar 23, 2016
cckris:

If you're a Christian you'll know that an assembly has people gifted severally, for the good of all. Very beautiful experience of sinners BEING TRANSFORMED, from glory to glory, beyond human expectations.

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Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by cckris: 3:22pm On Mar 23, 2016
rexben:
first of all i am not a christian,i am a disciple of Jesus. From what you are saying the church is a socio-religious institution right. If you say that,you are 100% correct because that is what the church represents
Church is a Living Organism, not an organisation. The Church increases ITSELF by the increase of God. Organisations increase by physical & social structures. Membership of the Church in STRICTLY by CHOICE, as a result of hunger & THIRST for righteousness, like the woman of Samaria. Jesus said we should come to Him, the HEAD of the Church, which is His Body. People far worse than you are BEING TRANSFORMED into the image of Jesus, from glory to glory. Some CHOOSE to game the ORGANISM, making MERCHANDISE of Church. Jesus says worry not too much about them, they still can repent of their pernicious ways. But true believers are without any doubt the Light & Salt of this earth.

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Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by rexben(m): 3:53pm On Mar 23, 2016
Firstly,i am a disciple of Jesus and not a christian. Jesus never explained his relation with His church(ecclesia i.e the called ut ones) as head and body,but He said He is the vine and we are the branches.
Christianity is an organisation. An organisation has a head so does the church do. An organisation can be sued,so can the church. An organisation has hierachy so the church does. An organisation engages in programms and advertisements that will help increase profit,so the church do crusades,publicity,free medical checkups so that the members will increase whereby increment in tithes and offerings
I am not saying this,so that you may be believe Jesus and not pastors. COme out of lies they called christianity.

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Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by gimakon(m): 4:07pm On Mar 23, 2016
We lucky your royal ignorance didn't say it was moohamed who was the founder of Christianity. Islam reads the bible as a novel so what do you want to understand there? Save us the flimsy excuse of a super heavy weight crap you call a research,we don't need it.
Let the screenshot speak to you,



You don't know the shít you saying.

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Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by rexben(m): 4:45pm On Mar 23, 2016
gimakon:
We lucky your royal ignorance didn't say it was moohamed who was the founder of Christianity. Islam reads the bible as a novel so what do you want to understand there? Save us the flimsy excuse of a super heavy weight crap you call a research,we don't need it.
Let the screenshot speak to you,



You don't know the shít you saying.
I have been in christianity for so many years until i found out that christianity is professing to follow Jesus which they arent following at all.

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Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by cckris: 4:46pm On Mar 23, 2016
Ok. We both believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah, Christ in Greek.
Perhaps we may not both agree that When two or three come together in His name, He is actively present. And when they agree on anything, he grants the request'. Church MUST be a group. An individual cannot be a Church, which Jesus is building up so powerfully that no counsel, or gate of hell can defeat. That's what has been for the past two millenia, & counting. Without any centralised leadership, the Church has OVERCOME Islam, Communism, Atheism, & especially the BRUTAL HUMANISM that has INFILTRATED THE CHURCH for too long.

Christ Jesus, known as Jesus of Nazareth, is Lord forever.

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Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by cckris: 5:01pm On Mar 23, 2016
rexben:
I have been in christianity for so many years until i found out that christianity is professing to follow Jesus which they arent following at all.
I understand that people can be discouraged by leaders who make MERCHANDISE of the flock. Jeremiah 23 & Ezekiel 13 describe it as if they were writing today. That's why God says things before they occur, that we may know there's no other as accurate. I've seen worse, & STILL SEEING painful experiences, but Jesus said OCCUPY. But how can you OCCUPY if you're not prepared to OVERCOME. Running away is not ALWAYS the best option.
Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by gimakon(m): 5:02pm On Mar 23, 2016
rexben:
I have been in christianity for so many years until i found out that christianity is professing to follow Jesus which they arent following at all.

Blah blah blah... o wait do I not follow my Jesus? well yes I do grin Satisfied?

Fact "they don't follow Jesus" doesn't mean I don't know who I follow. I'm ok as a bachelor, who did it , God did, Jesus did. The word did.

I don't know what you talking about, but for me I gotta thank God everyday, and not being shallow minded. I am a very proud christian, a wealthy one by his grace so why would I Wonna leave christendom.... No way! grin

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Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by Empiree: 5:31pm On Mar 23, 2016
gimakon:
We lucky your royal ignorance didn't say it was moohamed who was the founder of Christianity. Islam reads the bible as a novel so what do you want to understand there? Save us the flimsy excuse of a super heavy weight crap you call a research,we don't need it.
Let the screenshot speak to you,



You don't know the shít you saying.
Unfortunately, google screenshot you posted doesn't prove anything. In order to verify if Jesus (p) was the founder of Christianity, we have to go to christian source(s) which is Old and New Testaments since you use both. Google was only invented in recent years. Anyone can write anything on google.

NL Muslims and Christians have discussed this issue in this thread. https://www.nairaland.com/2172133/question-did-jesus-read-bible I believe you will enjoy it as you read if you have time. Good luck

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Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by orisa37: 6:36pm On Mar 23, 2016
Christ is The Light, The Goodness and The Life of the world. Everything in Heaven and on Earth is Christ. So Christ is THE EPISTLES, THE GOSPELS, THE DISCIPLES, THE APOSTLES AND YOU AND I.

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Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by rexben(m): 6:44pm On Mar 23, 2016
cckris:

I understand that people can be discouraged by leaders who make MERCHANDISE of the flock. Jeremiah 23 & Ezekiel 13 describe it as if they were writing today. That's why God says things before they occur, that we may know there's no other as accurate. I've seen worse, & STILL SEEING painful experiences, but Jesus said OCCUPY. But how can you OCCUPY if you're not prepared to OVERCOME. Running away is not ALWAYS the best option.
I did not run away am not asking you to run away. Jesus said in John 8:31-32 Jesus said if you continue in MY WORDS AND TEACHINGS THEN YOU ARE DISCIPLES. All i am saying is to believe in the words of Jesus only not the bible. God actually preserved the words of Jesus(in matthew,mark,luke and john) in the bible. I am saying believe in Jesus words and dont make excuses like christians do. I will love you to open your minds and eyes when you read the gospels,the Holy ghost is ever ready to teach and guide you
Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by rexben(m): 6:48pm On Mar 23, 2016
orisa37:
Christ is The Light, The Goodness and The Life of the world. Everything in Heaven and on Earth is Christ. So Christ is THE EPISTLES, THE GOSPELS, THE DISCIPLES, THE APOSTLES AND YOU AND I.
Christ is not the epistles ooo. The epistles consists f pauline epistles(the false apostle that claimed he met the resurrected Jesus) and other writers include James the brother of Jesus that did not believe in Jesus ministry before His death
Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by PastorAIO: 6:51pm On Mar 23, 2016
cckris:
Are you that hopeless, beyond redemption? If you can't find THE NEW COVENANT, promised in Jeremiah 31:31, which was established by Jesus, THE MESSIAH, or CHRIST in Greek, then you're most pitiable among humankind.

Please, concerning covenants, does it follow that the establishment of one covenant automatically mean the abrogation of any previous covenants.

Abeg don't yab me o, I'm only asking a question.
Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by rexben(m): 7:01pm On Mar 23, 2016
gimakon:


Blah blah blah... o wait do I not follow my Jesus? well yes I do grin Satisfied?

Fact "they don't follow Jesus" doesn't mean I don't know who I follow. I'm ok as a bachelor, who did it , God did, Jesus did. The word did.

I don't know what you talking about, but for me I gotta thank God everyday, and not being shallow minded. I am a very proud christian, a wealthy one by his grace so why would I Wonna leave christendom.... No way! grin
Part of your beliefs that are wrong includes
The bible is the inspired word of God. This is very wrong. Jesus is the only word of Gog. In this supposed bible,God spoke,the devil spoke,men spoke,even demon spoke. Ho w then you call it the word of God
you believe that Jesus came to die for the sign of the whole world. It is very wrong. He said He came to give His life as ransome to many not sacrifice for many. He said if you dont forgive those that sin against you,your heavenly father will not forgive,that is the way to get your sins forgiven
Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by rexben(m): 7:06pm On Mar 23, 2016
PastorAIO:


Please, concerning covenants, does it follow that the establishment of one covenant automatically mean the abrogation of any previous covenants.

Abeg don't yab me o, I'm only asking a question.
Yeah! You are correct,they claimed to be under a new covenant whereas still observing the old covenant eg. Payment of tithes and offering,going to temple on sabbaths. I call Christianity modern judaism that believes Jesus as the messiah whereas they continue jewish customs

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Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by Empiree: 7:07pm On Mar 23, 2016
rexben:
Christ is not the epistles ooo. The epistles consists f pauline epistles(the false apostle that claimed he met the resurrected Jesus) and other writers include James the brother of Jesus that did not believe in Jesus ministry before His death
What do you consider yourself religion wise?
Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by rexben(m): 7:36pm On Mar 23, 2016
Empiree:
What do you consider yourself religion wise?
No. I am not religious wise. I dont do religion,i teach against it with passion because religion can not lead to God. Only Jesus can. For your information,i am not a christian,i am disciple of Jesus
Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by rexben(m): 7:42pm On Mar 23, 2016
[quote author=cckris post=44040683][color=#990000][b]Ok. We both believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah, Christ in Greek.
Perhaps we may not both agree that When two or three come together in His name, He is actively present. And when they agree on anything, he grants the request'. Church MUST be a group. An individual cannot be a Church, which Jesus is building up so powerfully that no counsel, or gate of hell can defeat. That's what has been for the past two millenia, & counting. Without any cenContextual reading,matthew 18 was saying the basis for gathering is to settle agreements and not for worship. Have you asked yourself this question,why do Jesus excuse Himself from His disciples to pray?
Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by rexben(m): 7:53pm On Mar 23, 2016
Contextual
reading,matthew 18 was saying the basis
for gathering is to settle agreements and
not for worship. Have you asked yourself
this question,why do Jesus excuse Himself
from His disciples to pray? If you watch Jesus life closely,He
does what the teaches anytime anyday. That is who i am following And He is the one i love talking about. I am what i preach about.
Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by Empiree: 8:59pm On Mar 23, 2016
rexben:
No. I am not religious wise. I dont do religion,i teach against it with passion because religion can not lead to God. Only Jesus can. For your information,i am not a christian,i am disciple of Jesus
You need to teach those Christians what they missing.

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Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by cckris: 10:22pm On Mar 23, 2016
PastorAIO:

Please, concerning covenants, does it follow that the establishment of one covenant automatically mean the abrogation of any previous covenants.

Abraham the father of faithful believers was under Grace, not under the 1st Covenant with Israelites. Abraham wasn't an Israelite, they're his descendants.
In Jeremiah 31:31 God promised to make a BETTER Covenant than Moses' own. And Jesus became the Lamb that TAKES AWAY the sin of the world, not like the annual lambs that COVERED the sin of Israelites. You can see Sir, that Jesus established a BETTER COVENANT, for the whole world, & that doesn't have to be repeated yearly.

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Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by cckris: 10:52pm On Mar 23, 2016
rexben:
Jesus said in John 8:31-32 Jesus said if you continue in MY WORDS AND TEACHINGS THEN YOU ARE DISCIPLES. All i am saying is to believe in the words of Jesus only not the bible. God actually preserved the words of Jesus(in matthew,mark,luke and john)
Jesus built a Church, not Synagogue. The disciples are His Church, which the gates of hell has NEVER been able to stop. Individuals, personally regenerated form the Body of Christ, or the branches of the Vine. An INDIVIDUAL cannot be a Church. And the Church prayed together, encouraged themselves, & made disciples out of all nations.

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Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by Empiree: 1:40am On Mar 24, 2016
rexben:
Christ is not the epistles ooo. The epistles consists f pauline epistles(the false apostle that claimed he met the resurrected Jesus) and other writers include James the brother of Jesus that did not believe in Jesus ministry before His death
And have you taken your time to read Islamic view of Jesus(p)?. I mean The Qur'an?. You will finally realize Muslims are truly the disciples of Jesus just as much as you trying to be. Pick up English copy of Quran and read story of Jesus and compare it to what you now believe as a mere disciple of Jesus. Give it a try

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