JohnBullMySon:
There's no need to fight FIFA. We just love misinterpreting FIFA laws. CAS does not take cases that are criminal in nature. That is solely a government matter.

The independence of football associations does not prevent them from being indicted for criminal offence. It only pertains to civil, political and administration issues. Like the government pressuring the team to campaign for political cause or them trying to resolve disputes, employ coaches or draft team lists.

When it comes to criminal matters, there's nothing like immunity. The government has every right to investigate arrest and charge anybody inside NFF collecting bribe. No matter the reason, collecting bribe inside Nigeria is a criminal offence. The government is not just interested in such because they too are culprits. They only like to interfere when it comes to choosing people.

Sepp blatter and Platini were investigated by both the US government and Swiss governments. They were charged by the Swiss government.

TheGoodJoe:


Nigeria are again courting the wrath of football body, FIFA, after the government appointed a sole administrator for the Nigeria Football Federation (NFF) on Thursday, following the sack of the executive committee by a court.

Sports minister Tamuno Danagogo on Thursday appointed Lawrence Katiken to run the country’s football after a high court in Plateau State granted an injunction stopping elected NFF president, Aminu Maigari, his executive committee and the NFF congress from office.

This action is a direct interference by government in football, which FIFA frowns at and which has attracted its wrath often in the form of a worldwide ban. FIFA equally kicks against the use of law courts in resolving football matters.

https://www.thecable.ng/nigeria-risks-fifa-ban-with-katikens-appointment

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That is the problem. European bodies can act to fight corruption in their system but when Nigerian government tries to do the same, FIFA will raise their shoulders and threaten bans repeatedly.

As it stands, we can't investigate corruption in the NFF because of FIFA.

TheSuperNerd:
Kelechi Nwakali makes Team of the Week AGAIN!

For the 2nd match round in a row, Kelechi's midfield showing earns him a TOTW slot in La Liga Smartbank (La Liga 2).

codemaniacs:







In Nigeria, you can't rule out ethnicity and religion.

What zuchyblink means is mediocrity because they are not incompetent since they already play football professionally they are not good enough to play for any of the national teams.

Then mediocre coaches.. Pinnick could have also made the appointments because he didn't want to be seen as a tribalist.

At least he could have appointed Tijani Babangida or Celestine babayaro or any other high performing northern nigerian descent coach or ex-players.

JohnBullMySon:
There's no need to fight FIFA. We just love misinterpreting FIFA laws. CAS does not take cases that are criminal in nature. That is solely a government matter.

The independence of football associations does not prevent them from being indicted for criminal offence. It only pertains to civil, political and administration issues. Like the government pressuring the team to campaign for political cause or them trying to resolve disputes, employ coaches or draft team lists.

When it comes to criminal matters, there's nothing like immunity. The government has every right to investigate arrest and charge anybody inside NFF collecting bribe. No matter the reason, collecting bribe inside Nigeria is a criminal offence. The government is not just interested in such because they too are culprits. They only like to interfere when it comes to choosing people.

Sepp blatter and Platini were investigated by both the US government and Swiss governments. They were charged by the Swiss government.

JohnBullMySon:
You don't understand what I'm saying.

A government cannot impose leadership of an FA or involve itself with how the FA is run and who runs it. It cannot use courts to interfere with the FA or resolve civil disputes. The sporting world has it's own legal system.

However, that does not cover criminal offences. Bribery is not a civil dispute. Bribery is a criminal offence that falls under a country's laws.

What you quoted is not a criminal charge. Show me where the Nigerian government tried to prosecute someone in NFF for crimes and FIFA kicked against it.

Blueelf:


Good one Sire

You're the only one on this thread to have accurately interpreted FIFA laws

I suggested that NFF chiefs be investigated thoroughly (indigenous national team coaches also). And many shot and t down saying FIFA will shout "interference"

But I don't think FIFA will be against booting out enemies of football in Nigeria. If FIFA can punish siasia thoroughly, why can't EFCC and ICPC

That's why we need a new government quick quick and one that has sports interest at heart so that a proper clean up can start

Blueelf:


Good one Sire

You're the only one on this thread to have accurately interpreted FIFA laws

I suggested that NFF chiefs be investigated thoroughly (indigenous national team coaches also). And many shot and t down saying FIFA will shout "interference"

But I don't think FIFA will be against booting out enemies of football in Nigeria. If FIFA can punish siasia thoroughly, why can't EFCC and ICPC

That's why we need a new government quick quick and one that has sports interest at heart so that a proper clean up can start

Kog45:
The laws that guide NFF have many faces that only well seasoned sport administrators can interpret and I can tell you EFCC or ICPC personnel doesn’t know more than you when it comes to legal frame related to corruption in football federations,more reason NFF members always have their ways when it comes to corruption issues.

lovewins:
Maybe just maybe Nigeria could get into the u23 AFCON/Olympic through the back door. The Guinean player who scored their second goal Alseny Soumah is overaged. It is even very easy to prove as Alseny has participated in other CAF competition and his registered date of birth is on record.

You'll also notice that other platforms like transfermarkt still have his original birthday. Of course I know Nigeria has her own infractions but this one can be proven. Whether the NFF will take this up remains to be seen.

Remember Morocco used this against Ghana women's u-17 as they could prove from Facebook that some of the girls were overaged.

lovewins:
Maybe just maybe Nigeria could get into the u23 AFCON/Olympic through the back door. The Guinean player who scored their second goal Alseny Soumah is overaged. It is even very easy to prove as Alseny has participated in other CAF competition and his registered date of birth is on record.

You'll also notice that other platforms like transfermarkt still have his original birthday. Of course I know Nigeria has her own infractions but this one can be proven. Whether the NFF will take this up remains to be seen.

Remember Morocco used this against Ghana women's u-17 as they could prove from Facebook that some of the girls were overaged.

elyte89:


Not applicable….sheyb dey allow 3 over age players in Olympic competition?

lovewins:
Maybe just maybe Nigeria could get into the u23 AFCON/Olympic through the back door. The Guinean player who scored their second goal Alseny Soumah is overaged. It is even very easy to prove as Alseny has participated in other CAF competition and his registered date of birth is on record.

You'll also notice that other platforms like transfermarkt still have his original birthday. Of course I know Nigeria has her own infractions but this one can be proven. Whether the NFF will take this up remains to be seen.

Remember Morocco used this against Ghana women's u-17 as they could prove from Facebook that some of the girls were overaged.

lovewins:


No.

They allow 3 overaged players in the Olympics not the qualifiers or AFCON u23

Blueelf:


Good one Sire

You're the only one on this thread to have accurately interpreted FIFA laws

I suggested that NFF chiefs be investigated thoroughly (indigenous national team coaches also). And many shot and t down saying FIFA will shout "interference"

But I don't think FIFA will be against booting out enemies of football in Nigeria. If FIFA can punish siasia thoroughly, why can't EFCC and ICPC

That's why we need a new government quick quick and one that has sports interest at heart so that a proper clean up can start

JohnBullMySon:
You don't understand what I'm saying.

A government cannot impose leadership of an FA or involve itself with how the FA is run and who runs it. It cannot use courts to interfere with the FA or resolve civil disputes. The sporting world has it's own legal system.

However, that does not cover criminal offences. Bribery is not a civil dispute. Bribery is a criminal offence that falls under a country's laws.

What you quoted is not a criminal charge. Show me where the Nigerian government tried to prosecute someone in NFF for crimes and FIFA kicked against it.

elyte89:



E sure me say we sef get over age for d olodo d wey we parade, we can’t win d case jare,forget

JohnBullMySon:
You don't understand what I'm saying.

A government cannot impose leadership of an FA or involve itself with how the FA is run and who runs it. It cannot use courts to interfere with the FA or resolve civil disputes. The sporting world has it's own legal system.

However, that does not cover criminal offences. Bribery is not a civil dispute. Bribery is a criminal offence that falls under a country's laws.

What you quoted is not a criminal charge. Show me where the Nigerian government tried to prosecute someone in NFF for crimes and FIFA kicked against it.

COOL10:
Almost five years since Victor Moses left and we're yet to find a credible replacement. Moses Simon, Chukwueze, Dennis, Onyekuru; none of those guys has managed to fill his boots.

Danielnino00:
Here's a key point to note from the article posted above
According to FIFA, any allegations of administrative malpractices should be investigated internally. Investigations should fall under the local federation by-laws and FIFA stipulations rather than being carried out by government. These internal mechanisms are meant to shield FIFA from any external interference in its operations as a private entity.

So you see, it will be difficult for the government to carry out an independent investigation into corruption dealings within the NFF without FIFA sanctions being imposed...

TheGoodJoe:


Thank you for the precise post. With the recent cases, especially the Manchester City suspension by UEFA, the FG can call a bluff of FIFA and challenge the suspension in the Court of Arbitration for Sport. FIFA has become an extended arm for corruption in countries by defending corrupt individuals with their corrupt rules.

The corrupt people should solve the problem internally. Which kind thrash from FIFA is that?

chrisooblog:
Yeah I read that on twitter too but someone said the rules have been adjusted by FIFA allowing 24 year olds to play if the said player isn't classified as one of the allowed 3 overage players.

Modified just read the FIFA communique 3 overage players can be involved in the qualifying rounds so the goal scorer most probably falls into that bracket.

https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/49db2cdaf7e8829/original/Circular-No-1792-information-on-preliminary-competitions_EN.pdf

TheGoodJoe:


Thank you for the precise post. With the recent cases, especially the Manchester City suspension by UEFA, the FG can call a bluff of FIFA and challenge the suspension in the Court of Arbitration for Sport. FIFA has become an extended arm for corruption in countries by defending corrupt individuals with their corrupt rules.

The corrupt people should solve the problem internally. Which kind thrash from FIFA is that?

TheGoodJoe:

You can't investigate corruption inside the NFF without taking over offices and records. As soon as you try to look into their records, it is tagged interference. So, how can you investigate?

Danielnino00:


I think it might be you who has misinterpreted the FIFA law regarding government interference in FA affairs..
Most times,it isn't the intention of the government that matters, it is how FIFA choose to interpret the law..
A case study here is Kenya and Zimbabwe who are serving a FIFA ban for government interference although Kenya's was recently lifted..

JohnBullMySon:
Of course FIFA would suspend them, since when did it become legal to dissolve an entity on the actions of an individual? This is an issue of overreach

Instead of just prosecuting the individuals who committed a crime, they go ahead to dissolve the FA. That is outright government overreach and interference. We should understand the difference between legality and illegality. You don't go and close a public corporation employing hundreds of people because the CEO committed a crime. Is it part of the Kenyan constitution to close a business if the head is sexually abusing workers?

Danielnino00:
Here's a key point to note from the article posted above
According to FIFA, any allegations of administrative malpractices should be investigated internally. Investigations should fall under the local federation by-laws and FIFA stipulations rather than being carried out by government. These internal mechanisms are meant to shield FIFA from any external interference in its operations as a private entity.

So you see, it will be difficult for the government to carry out an independent investigation into corruption dealings within the NFF without FIFA sanctions being imposed...

JohnBullMySon:
As for this, I believe the malpractices are civil in nature not criminal. Some governments don't understand that as soon they send money to the FA, that money ceases to be public funds. The FA is operates as a private entity so the government has no right to investigate how money is being spent, just as the government cannot start investigating how money is spent in a private company.

However, I rechecked Nigeria's laws and it seems that bribery as a crime only covers payments to public officials. In that case, the FG can stop all spending on the NFF and demand an investigation by FIFA. let's see how the NFF can stay afloat without government money.

Lastly, I believe embezzlement is always a criminal offence. If the malpractice was embezzlement, then the person can be arrested.