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African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by Nobody: 4:40pm On May 11, 2016
I just saw this photo of a giant Snake killed in the red sea in Egypt.

I was just talking of a similar occurrence in a friend's rural village. I was finding the dimensions of the snake as he described to be outrageous but it fit into the description of this one.

The young men of the village came out to kill it, but the elders strictly forbid them. Apparently, such extraordinary animals have a spiritual connection to the land (Gatiano would reasonate with this as a seeker of the ancient wisdom of African spirituality) and killing such can result to natural disasters - serious catastrophes like floods, famine. The place is semi - arid, sparsely populated and rural, and deeply traditional/spiritual.

According to him, animals of extraordinary nature have a spiritual connection t o the land. He spoke of how the snake was so docile and slow paced that it could not harm any man, and that indeed the elders came out and sat down right next to the snake and offered oblation to it.

Some villagers called the Wildlife Service out of fear and when they arrived, the elders of the land refused to let the snake be taken. It took the intervention of the areas governor for the snake to be captured - alive. They released it in a nearby forest.

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Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by Nobody: 5:05pm On May 11, 2016
I would call this a horrendous load of bullshit....
Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by Nobody: 5:39pm On May 11, 2016
SirWere

Are you asking for permission? Go ahead...
Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by Nobody: 5:43pm On May 11, 2016
Muafrika2:

SirWere

Are you asking for permission? Go ahead...

Very well then.

I call this a horrendous load of Bullshit gringringrin

Really, how can one think that killing an animal will suddenly change weather patterns, soil nutrients and Amount of rainfall shockedshockedshockedshocked

And they call themselves elders.....smh.



Like I said, Bullshit.
Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by Nobody: 6:07pm On May 11, 2016
SirWere:


Very well then.

I call this a horrendous load of Bullshit gringringrin

Really, how can one think that killing an animal will suddenly change weather patterns, soil nutrients and Amount of rainfall shockedshockedshockedshocked

And they call themselves elders.....smh.



Like I said, Bullshit.


The animal to the villagers is like a witches charmed animal. It's of the same caliber with their ancestral spirits and it's spirit would be rightly counted amongst their many objects of worship. Amongst the spirits that rule over the spiritual realm of the area. You do know that evil spirits have rulers, right?


To be fair to the elders, the country has since gone to the dogs.
Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by Nobody: 6:19pm On May 11, 2016
Muafrika2:



The animal to the villagers is like a witches charmed animal. It's of the same caliber with their ancestral spirits and it's spirit would be rightly counted amongst their many objects of worship. Amongst the spirits that rule over the spiritual realm of the area. You do know that evil spirits have rulers, right?


To be fair to the elders, the country has since gone to the dogs.

"Spiritual Realm, spirits have rulers"

Give me a break, a load of nonsense.
Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by Nobody: 7:00pm On May 11, 2016
SirWere:


"Spiritual Realm, spirits have rulers"

Give me a break, a load of nonsense.

Very insightful of who you are, considering the kind of things you have been posting here....


....as our fathers passedit on to us. We wither, our heart fails us, we are laid to the ground, lost to history and yet Spirit passes on, enlarged, enriched, more complex, more ready to deal with the harsh and unforgiving world.
We are being used, no doubt. Should we not know by whom( or what)? To whom or what do we give unfailing loyalty? What is this quest? What do we get? What is spirit?.....

From primal mist of matter, to spiralled galaxies and clockwork solar system. Form heaviness to lightness of life, sensory to perception, we all serve spirit, which lives on forever......
https://www.nairaland.com/3063910/spirits

Am talking about your people, SirWere, your spirit
Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by Nobody: 7:07pm On May 11, 2016
Muafrika2:

Very insightful of who you are, considering the kind of things you have been posting here....



https://www.nairaland.com/3063910/spirits

Am talking about your people, SirWere, your spirit

You seem to misunderstand me. When I say Spirit, I mean the substance that has attained immortality yet uses for ephemeral purposes. I mean the driving force, the guiding hand, the starter even of the universe as we know it.


I mean that which dwells in us, which seperates us from animals and inaminate objects yet at the same time connects us with them.

I don't mean your definition of spirits.
Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by Nobody: 7:11pm On May 11, 2016
SirWere:


You seem to misunderstand me. When I say Spirit, I mean the substance that has attained immortality yet uses for ephemeral purposes. I mean the driving force, the guiding hand, the starter even of the universe as we know it.


I mean that which dwells in us, which seperates us from animals and inaminate objects yet at the same time connects us with them.

I don't mean your definition of spirits.

RIIIIIGHT
undecided
Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by Nobody: 7:17pm On May 11, 2016
Muafrika2:

RIIIIIGHT undecided
I think it's dumb also. Why do you think I stopped??
I only started it because I lost a very close friend
Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by Nobody: 7:33pm On May 11, 2016
SirWere:
I think it's dumb also.
Why do you think I stopped??

I only started it because I lost a very close friend
Condolences.

Not to demean your loss, but it seems the event brought out what is really on your mind. For that short while, .... its amazing what people can say when faced with the reality of death,
Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by Nobody: 7:46pm On May 11, 2016
Muafrika2:

Condolences.

Not to demean your loss, but it seems the event brought out what is really on your mind. For that short while, .... its amazing what people can say when faced with the reality of death,
Yes, I thought about the whole grand system and how bleeped up it was. That a boy who was probably the most diligent person I will ever meet; who wrote notes for his friend even though he claimed he didn't need it, who was the poster boy for humility; who deserved a full life and smile when death finally comes knocking....dies while his nerdy, sarcastic, cynical, sometimes arrogant friend remains....


Yeah, Death is an eye-opener. Opens up your eye to what living truly is.
Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by Nobody: 8:00pm On May 11, 2016
SirWere:

Yes, I thought about the whole grand system and how bleeped up it was. That a boy who was probably the most diligent person I will ever meet; who wrote notes for his friend even though he claimed he didn't need it, who was the poster boy for humility; who deserved a full life and smile when death finally comes knocking....dies while his nerdy, sarcastic, cynical, sometimes arrogant friend remains....


Yeah, Death is an eye-opener. Opens up your eye to what living truly is.

I agree with you on this. The reason why the grand system is that vain, is because it is ruled by wickedness. Those are rulers of darkness that I just spoke about in the OP above.

And sorrow does sharpen the mind.
Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by Nobody: 8:07pm On May 11, 2016
Muafrika2:


I agree with you on this. The reason why the grand system is that vain, is because it is ruled by wickedness. Those are rulers of darkness that I just spoke about in the OP above.

And sorrow does sharpen the mind.
Ha! You're kidding me. There is no ruler. There is no ruled. There is no grand plan, no architects of good and evil.
There is only us, defined by our genes and society.
Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by Nobody: 8:24pm On May 11, 2016
SirWere:
Ha! You're kidding me. There is no ruler. There is no ruled. There is no grand plan, no architects of good and evil.
There is only us, defined by our genes and society.
RIIIIIGHT.

I must say that for you its hard to know whether you are being honest or mischievous. I can't detect a shred of violence from your spirit yet you are posting things about the spirit that raise suspicion about what you know and don't know.

Am tempted to add you on my prayer list.
Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by Nobody: 8:31pm On May 11, 2016
Muafrika2:

RIIIIIGHT.

I must say that for you its hard to know whether you are being honest or mischievous. I can't detect a shred of violence from your spirit yet you are posting things about the spirit that raise suspicion about what you know and don't know.

Am tempted to add you on my prayer list.
I am being 100 percent absolutely honest. There is only now and here.
It makes no sense to abadon that which we know for a possible reward in a place that might not for all we know exist.
Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by Nobody: 8:59pm On May 11, 2016
SirWere:

I am being 100 percent absolutely honest. There is only now and here.
It makes no sense to abadon that which we know for a possible reward in a place that might not for all we know exist.
If you say so,

Time will tell,
Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by Nobody: 9:07pm On May 11, 2016
Muafrika2:
If you say so,
Time will tell,



Indeed it will

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Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by gatiano(m): 9:47pm On May 11, 2016
It changes weather sir. The animals are one with their enivironment and nature. You kill them, there is bound to be an effect. It is just like cutting down load of trees and deforestation. Why are people now concerned about the extinction of animals? You can do life in jail, if you kill a panda, A lot of funds is going to the care of siberian white tiger from the budget of both russia and china (how horrendous load of bullshit is that Bro?)

SirWere:


Very well then.

I call this a horrendous load of Bullshit gringringrin

Really, how can one think that killing an animal will suddenly change weather patterns, soil nutrients and Amount of rainfall shockedshockedshockedshocked

And they call themselves elders.....smh.



Like I said, Bullshit.
Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by Nobody: 9:55pm On May 11, 2016
gatiano:
It changes weather sir. The animals are one with their enivironment and nature. You kill them, there is bound to be an effect. It is just like cutting down load of trees and deforestation. Why are people now concerned about the extinction of animals? You can do life in jail, if you kill a panda, A lot of funds is going to the care of siberian white tiger from the budget of both russia and china (how horrendous load of bullshit is that Bro?)


Errmmmm..... I'm currently busy with a shitty thread on this same section.

Your analogy/answer is not compatible with the scenario shown by the OP though.....
Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by gatiano(m): 9:57pm On May 11, 2016
This is actually more of science, controlling the devolution of the animals, stabilizing their decay level, controlling them from attacking people (animal are not scared of people in the sense of how we think, they are connect with their instincts and do not have free will), These Elders or priests control a few, and through the electromagnetic field control a lot more. Example is the interaction between two monkey families on different islands. We don't worship the animals.

Every household and ancestral clan of black people have an animal they control. I will post two different videos here via youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAV0A4W0Dxg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3LIH2e2u7o

Now what is the difference between these two clans and the circus africans might pay their hard earn money to go see?

Every animal that ever existed here on this planet include those before the dinoseurs are still very much alive in our (Black people) custody.


Muafrika2:
I just saw this photo of a giant Snake killed in the red sea in Egypt.

I was just talking of a similar occurrence in a friend's rural village. I was finding the dimensions of the snake as he described to be outrageous but it fit into the description of this one.

The young men of the village came out to kill it, but the elders strictly forbid them. Apparently, such extraordinary animals have a spiritual connection to the land (Gatiano would reasonate with this as a seeker of the ancient wisdom of African spirituality) and killing such can result to natural disasters - serious catastrophes like floods, famine. The place is semi - arid, sparsely populated and rural, and deeply traditional/spiritual.

According to him, animals of extraordinary nature have a spiritual connection t o the land. He spoke of how the snake was so docile and slow paced that it could not harm any man, and that indeed the elders came out and sat down right next to the snake and offered oblation to it.

Some villagers called the Wildlife Service out of fear and when they arrived, the elders of the land refused to let the snake be taken. It took the intervention of the areas governor for the snake to be captured - alive. They released it in a nearby forest.







Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by gatiano(m): 10:00pm On May 11, 2016
I understand, I get it. Ideas from the Black people are quiet not acceptable to black people who are distracted by european ways. One is ok, the other should be flushed outright. Forgive me if that came out rude, I didn't mean it a derrogate anybody.

May I also remind you that before the caucasian killed out an entire race of native americans, they killed off millions of buffaloes first. The native indian never ate buffalo meat as a meal on a regular.

SirWere:


Errmmmm..... I'm currently busy with a shitty thread on this same section.

Your analogy/answer is not compatible with the scenario shown by the OP though.....
Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by Nobody: 10:07pm On May 11, 2016
gatiano:
I understand, I get it. Ideas from the Black people are quiet not acceptable to black people who are distracted by european ways. One is ok, the other should be flushed outright. Forgive me if that came out rude, I didn't mean it a derrogate anybody.

May I also remind you that before the caucasian killed out an entire race of native americans, they killed off millions of buffaloes first. The native indian never ate buffalo meat as a meal on a regular.


Huh What the hell is this?

I, for one, did not understand you.

Can you break it down, make it simple?? Thank you.
Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by gatiano(m): 10:15pm On May 11, 2016
It is just that one way of preserving animals to you is a load of bullshit to you (the African ways, which is the best form of preservation on a 360 degree angle)

And the non-black method of preserving wild-life may be thrilling to you and perhaps be wonderful...

In European knowledge, humans evolved out of animals, or better animal were first before man

In African perspective and science, Animal were made out of the Black peoples anatomy and character, so is actually everything in existence, thus damages done to anything in a vicious manner is damages to every BLACK PERSON.

SirWere:


Huh What the hell is this?

I, for one, did not understand you.

Can you break it down, make it simple?? Thank you.
Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by Nobody: 10:27pm On May 11, 2016
gatiano:
It is just that one way of preserving animals to you is a load of bullshit to you (the African ways, which is the best form of preservation on a 360 degree angle)

And the non-black method of preserving wild-life may be thrilling to you and perhaps be wonderful...

In European knowledge, humans evolved out of animals, or better animal were first before man

In African perspective and science, Animal were made out of the Black peoples anatomy and character, so is actually everything in existence, thus damages done to anything in a vicious manner is damages to every BLACK PERSON.


What load of nonsense are you saying

I was simply asking a question: How can the death of a single dangerous animal change the weather conditions of a place??

And you respond with................this
Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by gatiano(m): 10:31pm On May 11, 2016
There use to be a lot of hippotamus, elephants, lions, and the white tigers etc, what happened to them to such an extent that they became endangered species? They were been killed one at a time..... not at bunch.



SirWere:


What load of nonsense are you saying

I was simply asking a question: How can the death of a single dangerous animal change the weather conditions of a place??

And you respond with................this
Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by Nobody: 10:39pm On May 11, 2016
gatiano:
There use to be a lot of hippotamus, elephants, lions, and the white tigers etc, what happened to them to such an extent that they became endangered species? They were been killed one at a time..... not at bunch.




Again, you seem to be missing my question.

I did not ask about the dangers of killing animals, I am well versed enough to know that nor did I ask who hunts these animals down, I am not a fool.


I simply asked :

How on Earth can killing one single python bring about a change in a village's fortune; influence rain clouds to make them pour in excess or not at all and affect the soil Nutrients of the community

That was what I asked; not a standard whining tour about how the "Caucasians are the lower race" which is a load of crap in my opinion.
Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by gatiano(m): 10:56pm On May 11, 2016
I got your question, I just wanted you to see things from above as a creator rather than seeing things from beneath like a creature. I will answer your question with another question, and you would understand better if you are a father or if you can remember you childhood;
Why do you lie to your son about some masquerade coming for him if he does not go to sleep early? Why did your Father or Uncle tell you the same when you was a baby?
Were they really wrong for saying that to you or me when we were babies?
Can anybody blame you for doing that to your son or child?

SirWere:


Again, you seem to be missing my question.

I did not ask about the dangers of killing animals, I am well versed enough to know that nor did I ask who hunts these animals down, I am not a fool.


I simply asked :

How on Earth can killing one single python bring about a change in a village's fortune; influence rain clouds to make them pour in excess or not at all and affect the soil Nutrients of the community

That was what I asked; not a standard whining tour about how the "Caucasians are the lower race" which is a load of crap in my opinion.
Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by Nobody: 11:05pm On May 11, 2016
gatiano:
I got your question, I just wanted you to see things from above as a creator rather than seeing things from beneath like a creature. I will answer your question with another question, and you would understand better if you are a father or if you can remember you childhood;
Why do you lie to your son about some masquerade coming for him if he does not go to sleep early? Why did your Father or Uncle tell you the same when you was a baby?
Were they really wrong for saying that to you or me when we were babies?
Can anybody blame you for doing that to your son or child?


I was inquistive and had a very vivid imagination. Rather than my parent stress themselves sending me back to sleep; it was easier for them to tell me of a monster that eats kids if they don't sleep. By virtue of the limited logic and my very strong imagination , it made sense.

I wouldn't say it's wrong to do such to a child because it is from there a child learns about fear and how to control it but I wouldn't call it right either, as it can lead the child scarred for life.

Your point??
Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by gatiano(m): 11:24pm On May 11, 2016
That is true, and also a child that sleep early to have enough sleep wakes up well with all his/her stress settled and the muscles relaxed; Their concentration or attentive level will be at an optimal for the next day.

My point, is that our elders would do everything to preserve the ancestral land, by any means possible, with it comes several stories and myths. It maybe that there won't be rain when they kill such animal, but then if such animal is killed, The Elder will make rain just to make their messages clear to people. (Maybe).

Another example of made up myth, which was for our own good; Tribal marks, scarifications etc. Most tribal people would tell it is their culture, they would say it is the culture of their forefathers and Ancestors.

500 to 1500 years ago when the enslavers were capturing our people for economic goods, The Elders had to come up with something, They knew scarifying their childrens' faces and bodies may scare the enslavers away and most importantly, The value of a tribally marked person as a slave was a loss considering the cost of transportation and labour payment. So our elders began to design our faces, insert disc in them etc. It worked!

What do you think they told the youth? They told them the Gods said so, and if they don't comply, so and so would befall them. Thus, we began cutlassing our faces, repitition leads to habit, and habit over multiple generations is a habit very difficult to stop.

Obviously, Our Elders did right, It is now our job and duty to demystify all of our myths.

So if you kill the snake, there would be heavy flooding. A lot would scare and comply, a few would try.... an elder would do what he has to do by every and any means possible.

SirWere:


I was inquistive and had a very vivid imagination. Rather than my parent stress themselves sending me back to sleep; it was easier for them to tell me of a monster that eats kids if they don't sleep. By virtue of the limited logic and my very strong imagination , it made sense.

I wouldn't say it's wrong to do such to a child because it is from there a child learns about fear and how to control it but I wouldn't call it right either, as it can lead the child scarred for life.

Your point??
Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by Nobody: 11:29pm On May 11, 2016
gatiano:
That is true, and also a child that sleep early to have enough sleep wakes up well with all his/her stress settled and the muscles relaxed; Their concentration or attentive level will be at an optimal for the next day.

My point, is that our elders would do everything to preserve the ancestral land, by any means possible, with it comes several stories and myths. It maybe that there won't be rain when they kill such animal, but then if such animal is killed, The Elder will make rain just to make their messages clear to people. (Maybe).

Another example of made up myth, which was for our own good; Tribal marks, scarifications etc. Most tribal people would tell it is their culture, they would say it is the culture of their forefathers and Ancestors.

500 to 1500 years ago when the enslavers were capturing our people for economic goods, The Elders had to come up with something, They knew scarifying their childrens' faces and bodies may scare the enslavers away and most importantly, The value of a tribally marked person as a slave was a loss considering the cost of transportation and labour payment. So our elders began to design our faces, insert disc in them etc. It worked!

What do you think they told the youth? They told them the Gods said so, and if they don't comply, so and so would befall them. Thus, we began cutlassing our faces, repitition leads to habit, and habit over multiple generations is a habit very difficult to stop.

Obviously, Our Elders did right, It is now our job and duty to demystify all of our myths.

So if you kill the snake, there would be heavy flooding. A lot would scare and comply, a few would try.... an elder would do what he has to do by every and any means possible.


Intresting.......

But then can we clarify at this point there are traditions for which we have absolutely no need of
Re: African Traditional Beliefs Concerning Animals by gatiano(m): 11:42pm On May 11, 2016
In a sense yes, But everyone of them, every bit of them are backed by science, mathematical, philosopical, astronomical etc and most importantly societal knowledge and wisdom. So until we understand the sciences and mathematics behind every myths, I think it is save to keep them in effect.

There is no place in African culture or myth, where human sacrifice is or was permitted. It is totally unAfrican, it was burrowed from other cultures.
We must keep masquerade celebration.... and the Orishas... They are however not to be worshipped, There is nothing out there to be worshipped outside Ones Real or Higher self and to honour the Ancestors....

SirWere:


Intresting.......

But then can we clarify at this point there are traditions for which we have absolutely no need of

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