I'm here to disprove the idea of Christian God as the supreme being. The law of nature negate the existence of one supreme God, I will rather believe we are our own god.

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So, can you explain how, "we are our own god"?

There is no God anywhere that create the universe, the matter and energy in the universe can't be contain by one entity, except the universe itself. we have higher beings mostly from other domain of the universe who interact and travel among galaxies and stars. Any of them can be name God, but none is superior; according to my own knowledge, human beings are nothing in the realm of universe as an entity, we are just human and that's all to it. I can decide to be a God by gaining knowledge and start my own philosophy, if I have the chance to be transported back to 32BC. Everything relvolve around knowledge, therefore, whomever is ready to learn and acquire knowledge will actually have the power to control the life of ingnorant beings, for example, Jesus Christ

Aren't all atheists opinions negated by their belief in the supernatural?

Bamidelefundz:
There is no God anywhere that create this universe, the matter and energy in the universe can't be contain by one entity except the universe .

The universe is part of God /contained in HIM

https://www.nairaland.com/2973792/atheism-dead-logic-god-everything

So God has that propensity to contain whatsoever .

Bamidelefundz:
, we have higher beings mostly from other domain of the universe who interact and travel among galaxies and stars.

Can you provide cogent evidence for these elusive extraterrestrial beings - photos and videos of them making these travels would be nice

Bamidelefundz:

Everything relvolve around knowledge therefore whomever is ready to learn and acquire knowledge will actually have the power to control the life of ingnorant beings e.g (Jesus Christ).

you have made a claim here , an outlandish one . Knowkedge can be obtained through experience and observation . For someone like Christ to possess such ineffable knowledge of the universe , how to tweak nature itself - calming the storm , raising the dead , healing the sick and resurrection -he must be a witness to its creation or creator .

A witness to an event has experienced it - has knowledge of it and observed the processes /actions that occurred during the event . But the bible tells us that Christ was part of creation of the universe , so he has TOTAL knowledge of its functionalities - that's why he could/can tweak it for certain purposes , of course , with the bible as proof of his actions .

Bamidelefundz:
I'm here to disprove the idea of Christian God the supreme being. The law of nature negate the existence of one supreme God, I will rather believe we are our own god.

No nature proves God. But since you are against the Christian God I'll leave you be. Except you are arguing against a creator God of the universe.

Bamidelefundz:
I'm here to disprove the idea of Christian God the supreme being. The law of nature negate the existence of one supreme God, I will rather believe we are our own god.

we are gods for sure ... Darrhh

PSALM 82 : 6

"I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.'

UyiIredia:


No nature proves God. But since you are against the Christian God I'll leave you be. Except you are arguing against a creator God of the universe.

Boss, I'm only arguing against Christian God as the creator of the universe. like I said earlier, the more knowledgable you are, the more you can convince people to do things in your own way e.g Jesus Christ and Muhammad S.A.W.Knowledge is the basis of the idea of God. There is no God anywhere superior to us human beings, but their are lot of other beings different from human beings existing in this universe. which I believe, they too have there own chance to civilization just like us humans.

KingEbukaNaija:


you have made a claim here , an outlandish one . Knowkedge can be obtained through experience and observation . For someone like Christ to possess such ineffable knowledge of the universe , how to tweak nature itself - calming the storm , raising the dead , healing the sick and resurrection -he must be a witness to its creation or creator .

A witness to an event has experienced it - has knowledge of it and observed the processes /actions that occurred during the event . But the bible tells us that Christ was part of creation of the universe , so he has TOTAL knowledge of its functionalities - that's why he could/can tweak it for certain purposes , of course , with the bible as proof of his actions .

Boss, let me cite a very good example why I said nobody is superior in this universe, let's take 50 scientist and technologist from our time, and transport them back to 2000bc using time travel and time change dimension of 5th order(explicit mathematics), now possessing all the necessary things we have right now then in 2000bc, I assure you that whatever they lay there hand on will be miracle to the primitive people they will come across, to the extent that most of them will refer them as Gods, just because they posses the knowledge beyond there scope of reasoning. That's is just what happen to early pritmitve man like 6000BC, there inability to explain or define those beings that are already expose to there own civilization made them to see them as gods, there by worshipping them as a supreme beings, of which they are not. Project the future of mankind 500 years from now and tell me if human won't be like gods we are worshipping now. We are our own God.

Scholar8200:
So, can you explain how, "we are our own god"?

Boss hope I've answered your question

Bamidelefundz:

Boss, let me cite a very good example why I said nobody is superior in this universe, let's take 50 scientist and technologist from our time, and transport them back to 2000bc using time travel and time change dimension of 5th order(explicit mathematics), now possessing all the necessary things we have right now then in 2000bc, [b] I assure you that whatever they lay there hand on will be miracle to the primitive people [/b]they will come across, to the extent that most of them will refer them as Gods, just because they posses the knowledge beyond there scope of reasoning. That's is just what happen to early pritmitve man like 6000BC, there inability to explain or define those beings that are already expose to there own civilization made them to see them as gods, there by worshipping them as a supreme beings, of which they are not. Project the future of mankind 500 years from now and tell me if human won't be like gods we are worshipping now. We are our own God.

lol at primitive people. The folly of the modern man who thinks his civilisation is the greatest. Sorry to burst your bubble, if those scientists go back in time, they will surely find themselves to be learners in the face of the highly evolved beings and technologies they will encounter

MrPresident1:


lol at primitive people. The folly of the modern man who thinks his civilisation is the greatest. Sorry to burst your bubble, if those scientists go back in time, they will surely find themselves to be learners in the face of the highly evolved beings and technologies they will encounter

That's what I'm saying boss, you will be amaze of any knowledge or idea that you can't comprehend , that doesn't mean it's superior to you as a human being. if you start studying, and research very well you will gain that same knowledge. that was why I said in the first place, that we are gods. Hope you get me right here; being vastly more knowledgeable doesn't mean you are supreme.

Bamidelefundz:



That's what I'm saying boss, you will be amaze of any knowledge or idea that you can't comprehend that doesn't mean it's superior to you as a human being ( if you start studying and research very well you will gain that same knowledge. that was what I said in the first place that we are gods). Hope you get me right here, being vastly more knowledgeable doesn't mean you are supreme.

One question : can list attributes of a diety ?

KingEbukaNaija:


One question : can list attributes of a diety ?

Boss, I don't believe in deity, I only believe in humanity.

Bamidelefundz:

Boss, I don't believe in deity, I only believe in humanity.

Humanity's existence was made possible by a diety or do you have any proof to rebut this ?

KingEbukaNaija:


Humanity's existence was made possible by a diety or do you have any proof to rebut this ?

No I don't have. Do you have any evidence to prove that deity made our existence possible?

KingEbukaNaija:


you have made a claim here , an outlandish one . Knowkedge can be obtained through experience and observation . For someone like Christ to possess such ineffable knowledge of the universe , how to tweak nature itself - calming the storm , raising the dead , healing the sick and resurrection -he must be a witness to its creation or creator .

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Please provide the video recording of Jesus doing all these things you are alleging or accept that you are lying. What are we to do with the stories written about Jesus doing wonders about 40-70 years after he died by people who never met him while he was alive ? Hope you know that the gospels were written 40-70 years after Jesus died by unknown christians who had never met Jesus in person.

dalaman:


Please provide the video recording of Jesus doing all these things you are alleging or accept that you are lying. What are we to do with the stories written about Jesus doing wonders about 40-70 years after he died by people who never met him while he was alive ? Hope you know that the gospels were written 40-70 years after Jesus died by unknown christians who had never met Jesus in person.

I believe the bible by faith bro . This is not new now

Bamidelefundz:

No I don't have. Do you have any evidence to prove that deity made our existence possible?

Well a creator of something caused its existence . Science has helped us to at least accept that that the universe has a cause and Religion guides us to understand the nature of the universe's creator .

The bible made us to understand that the creator is

- eternal : means uncreated , has no beginning an the end . So it's illogical to ask who created the creator or who designed the designer . For everything to exist , an all has to be eternal or else it progresses into infinite regression . God's eternal existence precludes infinite regression

-intelligent : his creative acts bestowed constituents of this universe with their functionalities . By the way , only an intelligent entity understands that its creation is functional and intelligent too . Eg planetary bodies , man . Like the way man understands that the robot he created is intelligent and performs a given task as it's supposed to . He also knows that robots , a factitious intelligent creation of his is not conscious

Conscious : The ability to be self aware . only a conscious entity can bestow you with consciousness . Consciousness is eternal - an attribute that was passed on to humans and even plants . Random processes lack the propensity to produce consciousness - a state of self awareness . Experiences , a path to knowledge , have made it known that consciousness does exist outside the brain or neural system .

has a Mind : Mind births mind . Mind bear thoughts . thoughts create matter . What is real to us was made possible through our thoughts . God's eternal thoughts brought forth our material universe.

The purpose of creation : why does everything exist . Why does anything need to exist . Why is nature functional . Why is there procreation
. Only a mind can possess a purpose for its actions . God's purpose of creating the universe has since been revealed in the bible .

Is immaterial : God is a Spirit whose existence is beyond the laws that control our universe . These laws govern the functioning of this universe . Man made science to understand how nature works . So science is apparently limited to the physical . The true nature of God can only be experienced , experience is a path to knowledge .

There are a thousand and one logical reasons to prove that the existence of an eternal creator , which I could have inundated you with , isn't mendacious - atheism is foolishness .

Bamidelefundz:

Boss, let me cite a very good example why I said nobody is superior in this universe, let's take 50 scientist and technologist from our time, and transport them back to 2000bc using time travel and time change dimension of 5th order(explicit mathematics), now possessing all the necessary things we have right now then in 2000bc, I assure you that whatever they lay there hand on will be miracle to the primitive people they will come across, to the extent that most of them will refer them as Gods, just because they posses the knowledge beyond there scope of reasoning. That's is just what happen to early pritmitve man like 6000BC, there inability to explain or define those beings that are already expose to there own civilization made them to see them as gods, there by worshipping them as a supreme beings, of which they are not. Project the future of mankind 500 years from now and tell me if human won't be like gods we are worshipping now. We are our own God.

Suppositions bro . By the way man was not primitive , 'primitive' is pejorative as you clearly insinuated - he just did things differently , this changed as his understanding of nature broadened . I mean there were the pyramids of Egypt , agricultural development , very destructive weapons of war , man produced musical instruments which are used today , he wrote songs and books , had disquisitions on different issues which are still relevant now etc .

Even though time travel is not plausible at all , let's say scientists from the year 4000 travelled back in time , are we going to see them as gods simply because they possess superior knowledge of nature ?

The people who were not convinced by Christ's teachings even after his show great knowledge , wisdom and miracles were prespondent during his time , so you are making a false inference.

Christ was not even worshipped in the bible , during his lifetime , He was more like revered by his disciples and adherents of his teachings .

KingEbukaNaija:


I believe the bible by faith bro . This is not new now

Mr KingEbukaNaija, just stick to this part. No one can argue this.

But don't lay further claims like they are more than your faith in them. All you have is faith not knowledge.

Pyrrho:
Mr KingEbukaNaija, just stick to this part. No one can argue this.

But don't lay further claims like they are more than your faith in them. All you have is faith not knowledge.

Lol . There are proofs that biblical events did happen though and the biblical characters are actual humans .

You are the one who needs' corpulent faith ' - you have a ludicrous belief that nature found a way to be complex with no designer . Just imagine procreation for example - shi.t just figured itself out . Smh .

KingEbukaNaija:


you have a ludicrous belief that nature found a way to be complex with no designer . Just imagine procreation for example - shi.t just figured itself out . Smh .

First of all, a designer doesn't imply Bible god.

Second of all, your Bible god found a way to be infinitely more complex than the whole nature without needing any designer himself. But you are having a hard time accepting that Nature has the same ability.

Is that where your faith comes into play? You need faith to assume that the Bible god is the designer of the universe.

KingEbukaNaija:


Lol . There are proofs that biblical events did happen though and the biblical characters are actual humans .

You are the one who needs' corpulent faith ' - you have a ludicrous belief that nature found a way to be complex with no designer . Just imagine procreation for example - shi.t just figured itself out . Smh .

There are proofs?

Stop fooling yourself, stick with what you know and can actually prove.

All you can prove is your faith.

There are better proofs for Buddha's existence. And he pre-dated your Bible and Christ.

Weah96:


First of all, a designer doesn't imply Bible god.

Second of all, your Bible god found a way to be infinitely more complex than the whole nature without needing any designer himself. But you are having a hard time accepting that Nature has the same ability.

Is that where your faith comes into play? You need faith to assume that the Bible god is the designer of the universe.

Mr Weah , nature was given that ability because its a working system . There are software programs that can write codes for any particular application you want - somewhat "automated programming" . There are software programs designed to work that way - to write codes for the design of applications .

What gave nature that propensity seeing it has a cause ? The creator - the cause - gave it its abilities

Pyrrho:
There are proofs?

Stop fooling yourself, stick with what you know and can actually prove.

All you can prove is your faith.

There are better proofs for Buddha's existence. And he pre-dated your Bible and Christ.

If that delusion helps you to sleep at night , stick closely to it .

KingEbukaNaija:


Mr Weah , nature was given that ability because its a working system . There's a software that can write codes for any particular program you want - somewhat "automated programming" . The software was designed to work that way - to write codes for the design of other complex software .

What gave nature that propensity seeing it has a cause ?

Nature has no cause. It's a difficult concept for me to accept, but it shouldn't be for someone like you. That's because it's right up your alley. You already believe that it's possible for mega complex harbingers of intelligence to make themselves.

Weah96:


First of all, a designer doesn't imply Bible god.

You would do well as a deist . First of all , you admit that there is a designer . But which is the true designer ? Here is where Religion comes in.

Second of all, your Bible god found a way to be infinitely more complex than the whole nature without needing any designer himself. But you are having a hard time accepting that Nature has the same ability.

Nature has cause , God does not . You are always on the verge of being liberated from your delusion but something just draws you back to square one .

Is that where your faith comes into play? You need faith to assume that the Bible god is the designer of the universe.

Faith is a substance - hard evidence , certainty , assurance that God indeed is the creator of the universe . Assumptions are not for certain , cannot withstand scrutiny and not tenable at all

Weah96:


Nature has no cause. It's a difficult concept for me to accept, but it shouldn't be for someone like you. That's because it's right up your alley. You already believe that it's possible for mega complex harbingers of intelligence to make themselves.

Nature has no cause ? *Sigh* , the nonsense you atheists come up with nowadays . Anyway , whether Nature has a cause or not , it does not preclude God's existence . Everything is part of a conscious eternal creator

Weah96:


Nature has no cause.

Its like you incorporate different ideas from different beliefs when presenting a rebuttal . Nature having no cause is a blatant assertion made by pantheism . It believes that nothing came before the universe so it has no cause and nothing exist outside nature that serves a source for its purpose .

It feels the need to make such intellectually indolent conclusion because of science's failure to discover the cause and nature of the cause of the universe and that since everything needs a cause , why doesn't God have one .

I mean who does not see the irony in this ?