last last, how much be everything?

NLresidentQS:
The dream of every man is to own his home. May the good Lord let us all achieve that. Amen

It is important for one to be able to control cost in whatever project one is undertaking. This is one of the underlying principles of project management. How effectively you can manage cost vs time, resources vs output will determine whether you will be able to meet that deadline with your scheduled price.

A construction team consist essentially of a

*Surveyor
*Architect
*Geotechnical Engineer
*Structural Engineer
*Quantity Surveyor
*Project Manager/Contractor
Each person has a well defined function and professional trespassing is a moral crime.

In summary, the surveyor is the one in charge of making site layout and installing beacons/corner piece, and performing setting out. The Architect is the one to design the building, bringing it out from emptiness..in all its beauty and grandeur. He will conclude with an architectural drawing showing the floor plan, elevations, sections, doors/window schedule, etc.

Next is the geotechnical Engineer. He will visit the site, make appropriate tests on the soil and conclude with a result on the type of soil, the bearing capacity, the recommended foundation and wether the soil can support the house intended.

Next, the structural engineer comes in, gallantly. Merging both the architectural drawing and the soil test result from the geotechnical don, he designs the building structurally. He analyses the building for loads combination, stability, flow of stress etc and decide the components for the building. He concludes with a working drawing showing Foundation plan, foundation details, column, beams, slab, walls, staircase etc.

Note that in many cases, either the architect/structural engineer is free to design for aestethitcal components eg...finishes, tiles, pop,, landscaping etc.
The mechanical/electrical engineers prepare their schedules of mechanical components/electrical fittings.

Next is me , the Quantity Surveyor. No one, I repeat, no one knows about estimating materials, quantities, price of a structure and it's materials better than a QS. The QS estimates, technically, step by step process in the construction process and concludes with the PRICE of the project.

The project manager is in charge of keeping everyone on track. He controls the spending of money and materials and has a perpetual vision of when the project should be completed.

Now that you have a brief overview, we can move on to the topic gangan.

I didn't like how you described the work of the Architect here. He's the Chief consultant, he employs and supervises other professionals involved in any building project. This is a part we neglect and do not inform the clients about due to reasons best known to you guys. We don't only make designs, we supervise the project strictly with the guidance of the design so that the client will get his demand. OP who told you that a structural engineer is involved in the aesthetic designing of any building? Please say what you know.

You can get an excel sheet that does all the estimation and quantification from me. With a bonus of a quick concrete content calculator that give you the quantity of sand, cement and water to produce your concreting work with your selected mix ratio 08115801276, ikpehchi@gmail.com

@Op, pls are U a new school leaver? what is d motive 4 this tread?
The building industry has been grappling with the inundation of overwhelming presence of quacks in every practice. How come u are shooting urself and other professionals by handing the necessary tools needed to all existing & aspiring quacks. Don't u think u owe ur profession the duty to preserve its sanctity. U shld have bn rational enough to know when 'little' becomes 'too much' Uve laid bare here the anatomy of a simple building wch is enough info 4 me. Why do I need a Q/S anymore? Thanx anyway.
Its still people like u that wld come here sometime later and complain that architects & builders are carpet-crossing into ur professional practice.

Egunmogaji you are needed here

*runs out of thread *

Sorry bro, the site plan is the responsibility of a Town Planner not Surveyor. following...

After thoroughly studying this piece.,,My QS is out of job...




Nice one OP

Bros, you are doing a good job. Please keep it up. Can we request for pictures were necessary thanks

What a way to start the day, knowledge is power. Beautiful one OP.

troubleshooter:
@Op what is d motive 4 this tread?

INFORMATION

Noted

Nice informative analysis op! Let me av yur contact tru; boldvilleproperties@gmail.com

Make i follow dey here dey learn

Tochex101:

INFORMATION

Information for who? Building construction isn't a DIY like agriculture or some handcraft. He's doing a good job of tutoring more quacks. He deserves more than a pat in d back.

write2obi:
Egunmogaji you are needed here

*runs out of thread *

**knocks but no one answers
**opens door and walks into a dark room
**flicks on the light switch, nothing
**mutters "koni dafun NEPA"
**walks out and closes the door
**going home but will stop to get some opa eyin
**salivates on how that woman will get his "ibon to ti ki" tonight

NLresidentQS:
The dream of every man is to own his home. May the good Lord let us all achieve that. Amen

It is important for one to be able to control cost in whatever project one is undertaking. This is one of the underlying principles of project management. How effectively you can manage cost vs time, resources vs output will determine whether you will be able to meet that deadline with your scheduled price.

A construction team consist essentially of a

*Surveyor
*Architect
*Geotechnical Engineer
*Structural Engineer
*Quantity Surveyor
*Project Manager/Contractor
Each person has a well defined function and professional trespassing is a moral crime.

In summary, the surveyor is the one in charge of making site layout and installing beacons/corner piece, and performing setting out. The Architect is the one to design the building, bringing it out from emptiness..in all its beauty and grandeur. He will conclude with an architectural drawing showing the floor plan, elevations, sections, doors/window schedule, etc.

Next is the geotechnical Engineer. He will visit the site, make appropriate tests on the soil and conclude with a result on the type of soil, the bearing capacity, the recommended foundation and wether the soil can support the house intended.

Next, the structural engineer comes in, gallantly. Merging both the architectural drawing and the soil test result from the geotechnical don, he designs the building structurally. He analyses the building for loads combination, stability, flow of stress etc and decide the components for the building. He concludes with a working drawing showing Foundation plan, foundation details, column, beams, slab, walls, staircase etc.

Note that in many cases, either the architect/structural engineer is free to design for aestethitcal components eg...finishes, tiles, pop,, landscaping etc.
The mechanical/electrical engineers prepare their schedules of mechanical components/electrical fittings.

Next is me , the Quantity Surveyor. No one, I repeat, no one knows about estimating materials, quantities, price of a structure and it's materials better than a QS. The QS estimates, technically, step by step process in the construction process and concludes with the PRICE of the project.

The project manager is in charge of keeping everyone on track. He controls the spending of money and materials and has a perpetual vision of when the project should be completed.

Now that you have a brief overview, we can move on to the topic gangan.

Well analyzed but not yet complete without the BUILDER
THEN WHO IS A BUILDER?

someone first asked, what is the difference between a builder and a civil engineer?
I took time to enlightened him; read along with me.
Concerning professionals in construction industry, let me briefly state the roles of relating profession.
we all believe that the major role of an architect is production of building plans; considering some principles, (not to construct or supervise building production.)
Her own is to liaise with the builder on how to bring his dream on the CAD or paper to reality. The builder ensures BUILDABLITY. Mind you, Architectural design is not a graphics design.
For acclaimed civil Engineers, categorically speaking, they have seven branches and that a part of it is the structures.
The role of structural engineer is to design for all structural members such as beams, columns slabs structural steelwork etc., liaise her design with the builder on how visible is the fabrication of all these members and their arrangement to fulfill the aim of his design( under worst loading the structure most not fail).
A building services man designs for mechanical/ electrical services and liaise with builder on the arrangement and fixing ( hmmm... I know you will argue that he can't do that)
The quantity surveyor takes care of the estimations of project.
Now, who understands estimation process the more? structural engineer, architect, others professionals?
The fact remains that, if (Qs) overestimate or price substandard materials or add up what is not suppose to be, it is only a builder that understand the techniques of estimation.
so what's now the work of a builder?
From the aforementioned premises, judge for yourself.
The next question the person asked is ,you mean it is only builders that can do all d work on site, when it comes to structures?
I laughed, and i gave emphatic NO.
According to Nigeria building code, builders are not trained to hijack the work of other professions but due to the vast scope of our profession, we use all the knowledge we gain from all others professions to carry out BUILDING PRODUCTION MANAGEMENT....
That's why a builder can easily detect error and suggest correction to architect design because, whenever he sees design, he does not only view it from the perspective based on architectural mentality alone but reason about the structural stability, estimation in other to be economically safe and comfort of the occupant(s) and maintenance including the aesthetical view.
Hope you are getting along.
The next question ,what is d difference between structural and civil engineer?
To me, to call someone civil engineer is a wrong usage because the word ''civil engineer'' is like a general name that encompasses all construction expertise.
so, ''structural engineer'' is someone who's area of specialisation in civil engineering is mainly in structures.
someone that specialise in highway construction is not a structural engineer which implies he/she should not have any thing to do with structures. Mind you, a structural engineer is not a builder
Friends, construction is in three(3) aspects. The design, fabrication(pro
duction and management) and maintenance.
So, if your interest is more of design, then, architecture or civil engineering is good but if your interest is the actual construction of building (of course, we all want to bring our dreams of building or structure to come true) then, the best choice for you is to call on '' A BUILDER'' which in the profession is the only professional that span across all other professions in construction company industries for effective delivery of a project.
NB. As regards the incessant building collapse in Nigeria that have been recorded so far, who then are those responsible for such project. Is it not those that form bossy on such project(s) and yet it collapsed?
Hummm... the so called engineers, architects and sometimes Estate surveyors.
Mind you,since the builders have been handling projects and structure, BUILDERS have NO record(s) on building that are managed and supervised by a professional builders that have ever collapsed in Nigeria !!! you can Google search to confirm... No not one.(1)
...ALL PROFESSIONS IN BUILT ENVIRONMENT ARE UNIQUE IN THEIR OWN WAYS..
The next question is, who is now suppose to be the project manager of structures?
Be wise, choose by yourself. Let me say a project manager is someone that have knowledge to manage a project. Mind you, project are of different types. Here, We talk about structures, who is suppose to be the project manager?
Be wise, engage professional (builders) for effective delivery.
BUILDERS BUILD RIGHT.
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welldone bro, keep it up

Building a house is a whole lot of work, i cant go through all that stress, which is why i prefer buying a house of my choice and tweaking it to my taste.

girl4rmspace:
Building a house is a whole lot of work, i cant go through all that stress, which is why i prefer buying a house of my choice and tweaking it to my taste.

That gonna require much money nah.

BoboFashion:

That gonna require much money nah.

if there's anything worth spending a fortune on. Its the house you live in

Nice Topic op, i guess this is the best i'v read on NL so far. Thanx alot

At what stage do you do the electrics and plumbing, cos I cant see I on any of these lists.

girl4rmspace:


if there's anything worth spending a fortune on. Its the house you live in

You re on point!

NLresidentQS:
3. Excavation of Trench

After you have must have removed the top soil. The next thing is for the surveyors to come in and do the setting out. Usually in billing, we allocate a lump sum to that. As it is not measurable. The price of setting out varies from area to area and depends on how big or complex your building is. Most surveyors charge by plot. I would not want to mention a specific rate.

The next measurable phase is excavation of trench. How do you calculate for this?
It is a volume measurement billed in cubic metre (l*w*d)

Now the depth of excavation is gotten from the structural drawing (specifically foundation details). Sometimes the depth includes column base depth, sometimes it doesn't. You have to read that from the drawing. It is usually 0.6m - 1.5m for simple strip.

The width of your trench depends on the size of block you want to use. Is it 9" or 6"? If the drawing specifies 9" then the width is 675mm otherwise it is 450mm.

Then the length of trench. This is where you need to get your main girth (total length of all walls). Now getting this is a bit tricky and if you are not well trained you may read an excess of about 10-20m. You have to take the structural drawing showing the foundation plan...and read the length of all walls. Both Internal and external walls.

Most people erroneously use the ground floor plan in the architectural drawings to read the girth. This is a big mistake as not all wals in a building is founded from the trench eg some toilet and partition walls.

Also be careful when reading length, a trick of the trade is to measure horizontal in-in, vertical out-out.

If your whole length is say 98m, your depth is say 0.6m and your width is say 0.675m then total volume of excavation is 98 * 0.6 * 0.68. Whatever it gives you multiplied by the current rate per m3 is the amount you will set aside for trench excavation.

so you are teaching people how to do your work? nobody does that bro. You better stop

troubleshooter:
@Op, pls are U a new school leaver? what is d motive 4 this tread?
The building industry has been grappling with the inundation of overwhelming presence of quacks in every practice. How come u are shooting urself and other professionals by handing the necessary tools needed to all existing & aspiring quacks. Don't u think u owe ur profession the duty to preserve its sanctity. U shld have bn rational enough to know when 'little' becomes 'too much' Uve laid bare here the anatomy of a simple building wch is enough info 4 me. Why do I need a Q/S anymore? Thanx anyway.
Its still people like u that wld come here sometime later and complain that architects & builders are carpet-crossing into ur professional practice.

the op is an idiot.. what is then the point of your profession if you teach anybody how to estimate. what does qs do a part from taking off

oluwatosin67:

After thoroughly studying this piece.,,My QS is out of job...




Nice one OP

cc Nlresidentqs you better go and start learning trade because this is what with happened with you next.

The little the OP know about QS seems to be 'shacking' him hence, the reason for this thread. However, I need to point out that what you're doing here is unprofessional, unethical and unhealthy for the economy.
To those that think whatever posted here or that'll still be posted in relation to this topic is enough to execute construction projects without due consultation of concerned professionals, I'll implore you to rethink that as it may not be true for all projects.
To the guy who believes the architect leads the construction industry, I'll not disagree totally with you because that's usually the case under the traditional procurement method but, in other emerging and effective methods of construction project procurement, any PROFESSIONAL within the built industry can be the project leader. The fact that architects design the building does not automatically qualify them as the leader. He is just one of the consultants.
To the structural engineer who thinks he is the only person that can estimate for civil engineering projects, unfortunately that's incorrect. A structural engineer is to design structural stability of facilities while the QS is responsible for the cost and contract administration of such facilities (your civil engineering and even process engineering projects inclusive). The QS is the only legally recognised professional and the MOST qualified professional to administer construction project cost.
Back to the OP, you're not doing the profession any harm rather, you're doing yourself harm. By the time you're done 'shooting yourself in the foot', even the small 3-bedroom flats you think you're an expert in estimating their costs won't be contacted to you rather given out to 'quacks' to handle. You are not a QS but an impostor because a QS know what professional conduct is all about something that is far from your reach.
Peace

Greatest buider!Great!no mind dat wanna be QS guy with him incomplete team!Am a Prof.Builder in-view!pls i go like to get more n more enligtmemt from u jare.becus we builders makes imaginations(paper works) to become REALITY!
@Seguntijan, Atom

a good one,

Good job. More of educative and informative pieces as this.

dedarkman:
I agree with you in everything except only QS carry out cost estimation. I put it to you that ur cost estimation is limited and more at cases just on buildings. You can never cost eatimate bridges and so on that's why it pays to be a civil (structural engineer) you can do all this I repeat all this. Morning all

Did u just typed that? I have 3 questions for you sir.

1. Which University did you attend
2. How many years of experience did you have
3. what grade did you pass out with