How do u explain the fact that a prophet said a thing that came to pass at the exact time he mentioned? Or he gave u your life history in details? Is there any scientific proof to this since u don't believe in God and Satan?
What's the mystery behind that??
Thanks.

thelish:
How do u explain the fact that a prophet said a thing that came to pass at the exact time he mentioned? Or he gave u your life history in details? Is there any scientific proof to this since u don't believe in God and Satan?
What's the mystery behind that??
Thanks.

I am not an atheist but I can give you an answer. Prophecy is not denominational or religious. It is either a gift of nature or something anyone can do after trying and failing many attempts. Hope you watch football, Chelsea Vs Newcastle match this year, I prophesied 5-1 and it happened exactly so, yet I am not religious.

otemanuduno:


I am not an atheist but I can give you an answer. Prophecy is not denominational or religious. It is either a gift of nature or something anyone can do after trying and failing many attempts. Hope you watch football, Chelsea Vs Newcastle match this year, I prophesied 5-1 and it happened exactly so, yet I am not religious.

That answer is based on "what you THINK", you *IMAGINATION* and not through science.

CAN YOU ANSWER THAT SCIENTIFICALLY, since science is making people to think that it gives answer to all things??

promise10:

That answer is based on "what you THINK", you *IMAGINATION* and not through science.

CAN YOU ANSWER THAT SCIENTIFICALLY, since science is making people to think that it gives answer to all things??

Science is not making us think that it gives answers to all things, but religion is making us think that science does not give answers to all things. That's religion for you, finding fault in science, yet science owned all the inventions used by religion.


Adspiramen 15: 41. And they shall not invent anything but noise while they use the inventions of the people that are not afraid of death. Yet they shall condemn the people whose inventions they are using.

Now the scientific answer is this: Altered State of Consciousness (ASC).

Anybody can go into ASC and see things beyond human imagination. I am a living testimony of it. That's where visions and other stuffs come from.

Read more:

[b]Accidental and Pathological
Intentional:
Recreational
Meditation
Listening to specific brainwave entrainment, such as a Binaural beat

ASC may be caused by psychoactive drug or intoxication,[9][note 1] which may be either accidental or pathological, but can also be intentional.

Sometimes two or more causes lead to altered state of consciousness, for example a psychiatric disorder and consumption of psycho-active substances.

Emotions influence behavior that alters the state of consciousness. Emotions can be influenced by various stimuli.[10][note 2]

Altered states of consciousness can be assessed by observations and imaging of the brain such as computed tomography scan (CT), magnetic resonance imaging (MRI), or electroencephalography (EEG) which records the electrical brain wave activity. Imaging is most important to make a diagnosis when patient’s history is unobtainable and the physical examination is not dependable. (Dandan, 2004)
Accidental and pathological causesEdit

Accidental and pathological causes refer to unforeseen events, or illnesses. According to Dr. Jeffrey R. Avner, professor of clinical pediatrics, a crucial element to understanding accidental and pathological causes to altered states of consciousness (ASC) is that it begins with reduced self-awareness followed by reduced awareness in the environment (2006).[11] When the reduction of self-awareness and environmental awareness take effect, they produce altered states of consciousness. The specific conditions below provide clarity on the types of conditions compromise accidental and pathological causes.
Traumatic experienceEdit

The first condition, traumatic experience, is defined as a lesion caused by an external force (Trauma. (n.d.) In Merriam Webster Dictionary online, 2013). Examples include impact to the brain caused by blunt force (i.e., a car accident). The reason a traumatic experience causes altered states of consciousness is because it changes how the brain works. The external impact diverts the blood flow from the front of the brain to other areas. The front of the brain is known as the prefrontal cortex responsible for analytical thought (Kunsman, 2012). When the damage becomes uncontrollable, the patient experiences changes in behavior and impaired self-awareness. This is exactly when an ASC is experienced (Spikman et al. 2013).[12]
EpilepsyEdit

Another common cause is epilepsy, according to Medlineplus[13] epilepsy can be described as a brain disorder that causes seizures (2013). During the seizure it is said that the patient will experience hallucinations and loss of mental control (Revonsuo, Chaplin, and Wedlund, 2008)[14] causing temporary dissociation from reality. A study that was conducted with six epileptic patients and used the functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) detected how the patients did indeed experience hallucinations while a seizure is occurring (Korsnes M, Hugdahl K, Nygard M, Bjornæs H, 2010).[15] This not only altered the patient’s behavioral pattern, but also made them dissociate from reality during that particular time frame.
Oxygen deficiencyEdit

The next item of interest is oxygen deficiency, questioning how oxygen deficiency impacts the brain is an important part of comprehending why ASC occurs when there is oxygen deprivation in an environment. A study conducted by Edwards, Harris, and Berisher illustrated how 20 navy men were impacted when they were exposed to nitrous oxide for 10 minutes. The study confirmed that inhaling substances other than oxygen results in impaired self-awareness, which can produce ASC (1976).[16]
InfectionsEdit

In addition to oxygen deprivation or deficiency, infections are a common pathological cause of ASC. A prime example of an infection includes meningitis. The medical website WEBMD [17] states that meningitis is an infection that causes the coverings of the brain to swell. This particular infection occurs in children and young adults. This infection is primarily viral. Viral meningitis causes ASC and its symptoms include fevers and seizures (2010). The Impairment becomes visible the moment seizures begin to occur, this is when the patient enters the altered state of consciousness.
Sleep deprivationEdit

Another type of deprivation that can cause ASC includes sleep deprivation. This refers to the loss of sleep that will provoke possible seizures, caused by fatigue. Sleep deprivation can be chronic or short-term depending on the severity of the patient’s condition. Many patients can even report hallucinations, because sleep deprivation impacts the brain as well. A Harvard Medical school study conducted in 2007, also indicated with the use of MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) that a sleep deprived brain was not capable of being in control of its sensorimotor functions.[18] Therefore, there was impairment to the patient’s self-awareness. Patients were also prone to be a lot clumsier than if had they not been experiencing sleep deprivation.
FastingEdit

Coupled with deprivation of sleep and oxygen, another form of deprivation includes fasting. Fasting can occur because of religious purposes or from psychological conditions such as anorexia.[19] Fasting refers to the ability to willingly refrain from food and possibly drinks as well. Anorexia, as previously mentioned, is psychological disorder in which the patient is irrationally afraid of gaining weight. Therefore, he or she restricts the intake of calories on a daily basis. Anorexia can lead to seizures due to malnutrition (Hockenbury, Don, and Hockenbury, Sandra, 2008). The dissociation caused by fasting is not only life-threatening but it is the reason why extended fasting periods can lead to ASC. Thus, the temporary dissociation from reality allows fasting to fall into the category of an ASC following the definition provided by Dr. Avner (2006).
PsychosisEdit

Another pathological cause is psychosis, otherwise known as a psychotic episode. In order to comprehend psychosis, it is important to determine what symptoms it implies. Psychotic episodes often include delusions, paranoia, de-realization, depersonalization, and hallucinations (Revonsuo et al., 2008). Studies have not been able to clearly identify when a person is reaching a higher level of risk for a psychotic episode (Schimmelmann, B., Walger, P., & Schultze-Lutter, F.,2013),[20] but the earlier people are treated for psychosis the more likely they are to avoid the devastating consequences which could lead to a psychotic disorder (Schimmelmann, B., Walger, P., & Schultze-Lutter, F., 2013).[20] Unfortunately, there are very few studies which have thoroughly investigated psychotic episodes, and the ability to predict this disorder remains unclear. (Schimmelmann, B., Walger, P., & Schultze-Lutter, F., 2013).[20]

Reviewing the previous conditions for accidental and pathological causes, we can come to understand that all of these accidental or pathological causes share the component of reduced self-awareness. Therefore, ASCs cannot only be caused naturally but they can be induced intentionally with methods including hypnosis meditation, amongst others. There are also ASCs which are caused by less recreational purposes; people who utilize illegal substances, or heavy dosages of medications, as well as large amounts of alcohol can indeed comply with the definition of an ASC (Revonsuo et al., 2008)
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altered_state_of_consciousness
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I am not an atheist but I can give you an answer. Prophecy is not denominational or religious. It is either a gift of nature or something anyone can do after trying and failing many attempts. Hope you watch football, Chelsea Vs Newcastle match this year, I prophesied 5-1 and it happened exactly so, yet I am not religious. [/quote
Someone who hasn't seen u before, u were even forced by a neighbor who is still not a member of d church. An invited pastor from another state was able to tell us everything about us. Both secrets we even don't know about each other. I just want to know if there is any scientific explanation to this.

thelish:
How do u explain the fact that a prophet said a thing that came to pass at the exact time he mentioned? Or he gave u your life history in details? Is there any scientific proof to this since u don't believe in God and Satan?
What's the mystery behind that??
Thanks.

Oga Seun seems to have the answer... let's hope he can take out time from his busy schedule.

please I need more contributions.
cc:johnnydon, son of Lucifer, muskeeto etc.

thelish:
please I need more contributions.
cc:johnnydon, son of Lucifer, muskeeto etc.

Were these events he prophesied specific?

sonOfLucifer:

Were these events he prophesied specific?

very specific. I was shocked myself. Initially, I was like its arranged. Until it came to my turn. everything was accurate.

sonOfLucifer:

Were these events he prophesied specific?

very specific. I was shocked myself. Initially, I was like its arranged. Until it came to my turn. everything was accurate. how could he have known all that? we haven't seen each other before.

thelish:


very specific. I was shocked myself. Initially, I was like its arranged. Until it came to my turn. everything was accurate. how could he have known all that? we haven't seen each other before.

Can you share any of them? If they're private, feel free not to.

sonOfLucifer:

Can you share any of them? If they're private, feel free not to.

very private dear. I just want to know if there is still any scientific explanation to it.

thelish:
How do u explain the fact that a prophet said a thing that came to pass at the exact time he mentioned? Or he gave u your life history in details? Is there any scientific proof to this since u don't believe in God and Satan?
What's the mystery behind that??
Thanks.

Prophecy is a prediction of probable occurrence in the future. Time itself doesn't exist as everything is happening in the now. There are billions of parallel realities to what we are experiencing now. You may be in bed now,while another version of you is watching a TV,and millions/unlimited realities going on.

Some people have the ability to have a glimpse into what an individual will do next. This is an ability 98% of humans have no access to at the moment. People like Nostradamus,Edgar Casey,Credo Mutua developed the art of time travel into possible future usually while sleeping,meditating, mostly when their minds are 100% relaxed and focused. These people have given almost near accurate readings into the future

Prophecies/prediction is not a gift from god but an ability a dedicated individual can develop given the right tools and environment.

Don't forget today's Science(which is still millions of years behind) have developed tools that can forecast volcanic eruptions,floods,carbon dating and weather conditions.

CAPSLOCKED:






BUT..... BUT... YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE FACING THE WRATH OF A PARTICULAR CHRISTIAN GOD BY NOW, BEGGING FOR BREAD WHILST CRAWLING FROM HOLE TO HOLE ACROSS THE STREETS.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND!

Oh, you mean ologbe Yahweh? The guy is an oku-igbe. He is dead in our planet earth and shall remain dead. I pity Christians for ignorantly practising necromancy in the name of calling on Jehovah and jesus the dead god and nephilim respectively.

Yet Muafrika2 and joagbaje won't understand that their god is dead and buried.

Prophecy is just the capacity to read the signs of time well. Everyone can learn it.

thelish:


very private dear. I just want to know if there is still any scientific explanation to it.

I dont think you would be able to get a scientific explanation to it. Just the same way you cant get an accurate scientific explanation behind Horoscope.

Have you noticed that those horoscope thingy works 95% of the time even though we know its just a sham.

Just try it, look for you sign and read what was written about your sign, you would be amazed at how they are describing you. Do bear in mind that millions of people would also read it and feel its was written for them.

How can something so generic feel so specific?

The Human mind...

Now, i dont know what he told you, i dont know if it was totally specific or ambigiously generic, and i certainly dont know how he was able to fool everyone, but i do know that no one has ever proven to have a supernatural sense and so i remain skeptic about it and until he proves that he does, i would regard him as a good(or better yet, a very good) con artist/magician/mind-reader/whatever those lots are called...

donnffd:


I dont think you would be able to get a scientific explanation to it. Just the same way you cant get an accurate scientific explanation behind Horoscope.

Have you noticed that those horoscope thingy works 95% of the time even though we know its just a sham.

Just try it, look for you sign and read what was written about your sign, you would be amazed at how they are describing you. Do bear in mind that millions of people would also read it and feel its was written for them.

How can something so generic feel so specific?

The Human mind...

Now, i dont know what he told you, i dont know if it was totally specific or ambigiously generic, and i certainly dont know how he was able to fool everyone, but i do know that no one has ever proven to have a supernatural sense and so i remain skeptic about it and until he proves that he does, i would regard him as a good(or better yet, a very good) con artist/magician/mind-reader/whatever those lots are called...

So u don't believe his prophecies are from God? Who else can expose deeper things of the mind to another who haven't seen u before?

CAPSLOCKED:


RECENTLY I SPOKE TO A DIVINER, A HERBALIST WHO SERVED AS A PASTOR FOR SOMETIME BEFORE DECIDING TO DUMP THE FAKE SH!T AND CALL "IT" WHAT IT IS.

WE TALKED ON PHONE.. WE'RE IN DIFFERENT CITIES AND WE NEVER KNEW EACH OTHER UNTIL THE PARTICULAR DAY.

HE MENTIONED WHERE I WAS STANDING, WHERE I'M GOING TO AND WHERE I'M COMING FROM. THE COLORS OF MY CLOTHES AND THE ONES I WORE A DAY BEFORE.
HE TOLD ME HE KNOWS I DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD NOR MIRACLES, NOR MAGIC, THAT HE'S READING MY MIND FROM HIS SHRINE THAT A RELATIVE GAVE HIM MY NUMBER.
HE TALKED ABOUT MY GIRLFRIEND EVEN WHAT SHE WAS DOING AT THE PARTICULAR TIME I WAS ON CALL WITH HIM.... AND SO MANY OTHER JUNKY STUFF WHICH HE PREDICATED CORRECTLY. I DON'T KNOW WHERE ALL THESE MAGICIANS CAME FROM BUT I DO KNOW THE WORLD WOULD BE JUST PERFECT WITHOUT THEM!

That means there are powers behind such knowledge. But atheist don't believe such powers exist. That was why I wanted their point of view.

thelish:


So u don't believe his prophecies are from God? Who else can expose deeper things of the mind to another who haven't seen u before?

Prophecies are not from god or gods,some people just have the abilities to read into time lines. An event always have multiple possible outcomes,some folks are mentally capable of reading into them. When you cross the road without looking left or right you might get run over by a vehicle which is a possibility of happening or not happening.

Prophecies are usually means of for-telling worse outcomes to events to encourage people change their ways or actions. Usually they do not happen that way.

Interesting thread...

thelish:


So u don't believe his prophecies are from God? Who else can expose deeper things of the mind to another who haven't seen u before?

The issue we mostly have is that we have been drilled to assume that once we dont understand something, then it must be the work of God or a supernatural occurence. Thats a mentality we need to shred to be able to be in full control of our lives and the world around us.

No, i dont think they are from God or any supernatural beings for that matter until reasonable prove as been provided.

donnffd:


The issue we mostly have is that we have been drilled to assume that once we dont understand something, then it must be the work of God or a supernatural occurence. Thats a mentality we need to shred to be able to be in full control of our lives and the world around us.

No, i dont think they are from God or any supernatural beings for that matter until reasonable prove as been provided.

That reasonable prove is what am looking for.

thelish:


That reasonable prove is what am looking for.

Even if you dnt have reasonable proof, its still not enough to claim that it was from God or satan, theres no prove for that either...

If someone doesnt understand how a phone works(talking to people half-way across the world in an instant), does it automatically means that it was God that did the phone or the phone must have had supernatual powers?

donnffd:


Even if you dnt have reasonable proof, its still not enough to claim that it was from God or satan, theres no prove for that either...

If someone doesnt understand how a phone works(talking to people half-way across the world in an instant), does it automatically means that it was God that did the phone or the phone must have had supernatual powers?

At least that of phone can be base on technology. I don see wetin nairaland atheist nor get answers to ooo.
u guys seems to have answers n proof to everything. But this one hard Una oo. lol

thelish:


At least that of phone can be base on technology. I don see wetin nairaland atheist nor get answers to ooo.
u guys seems to have answers n proof to everything. But this one hard Una oo. lol

go back 300years, do you think an average man on the street would believe that there is a technology or can be a technology that can make you talk to sumone at the other side of the world instantaneously? i think not...

Funny enough, if we get the transcripts of what the prophet told you, we would discover that it was somewhat generic and mind-stealing...i.e he used a previous question to give you a conclusion, so called mind-readers do it alot

Still waiting for Oga Seun's answer on this interesting topic.

Prophecy is another misused word hijacked by religion. Experts make predictions based on studying a possible outcome/outcomes of an event. Weather forecast for example are probably Prophets to the religious minds because they 8 out of 10 time give accurate reading of the future weather.

When things are studied and understood,miracles evaporate.

ifenes:
Prophecy is another misused word hijacked by religion. Experts make predictions based on studying a possible outcome/outcomes of an event. Weather forecast for example are probably Prophets to the religious minds because they 8 out of 10 time give accurate reading of the future weather.

When things are studied and understood,miracles evaporate.

Prophecy is not Prediction.

4everGod:



Prophecy is not Prediction.

What is it then?

i av seen smone who prophecied dat after a specific number of days an event z goin to apen nd it was exactly so.....i av seen smone also who meetin smone d first time tells im almst evrytin abt im frm all his names, phone number, account number plus d bank, haus location, school attended in d past, place u visited last etc..and de are all christains.....atheist aw was dt possible