aresa:













What's the difference between what we are spending and what other countries are spending on 1000MW. For 1125 MW, we are actually getting a good deal for our money.

The going rate for 1000MW is $1 billion.

Even the so called 22.500MW $22 billion largest damn you quoted = $1 billion per 1000 MW.

Do a little elementary arithmetic before spewing rubbish and even a little research before spewing ignorance on the internet. Hate and bitterness can not stop us.

sammydemperor:
smh...

is it that we lack understanding or the will power to make effective change

For God sakes who builds a 1125 MW plant with $1.75 billion?

You guys may see it as progress, but damn how much do you really know about power generation, its not about the number of stations, rather the capacity. These plants will not be able to deliver up to 45% of their rated capacity to the Grid...

the largest dam in world was built at a cost of $22.5 billion and it generates 22,500 MW of electricity, spare me all the bullshit of littering the whole country with mini-power plants...

build something tangible, power generation is not rocket science all it takes is just some level of responsiveness to the plight of your people

this is how they will keep on taking us for granted, if we just take anything they bring to our table without us questioning them

so much for change...

sammydemperor:
smh...

is it that we lack understanding or the will power to make effective change

For God sakes who builds a 1125 MW plant with $1.75 billion?

You guys may see it as progress, but damn how much do you really know about power generation, its not about the number of stations, rather the capacity. These plants will not be able to deliver up to 45% of their rated capacity to the Grid...

the largest dam in world was built at a cost of $22.5 billion and it generates 22,500 MW of electricity, spare me all the bullshit of littering the whole country with mini-power plants...

build something tangible, power generation is not rocket science all it takes is just some level of responsiveness to the plight of your people

this is how they will keep on taking us for granted, if we just take anything they bring to our table without us questioning them

so much for change...

musicwriter:


Thank you!.

I wanted to say something along this line when I saw your response.

China generated over 50,000 MW with about $300 Million and here we want to generate little with over $1 Billion!. If the FG give me just $10 Billion I'll solve Nigeria's electricity problem, cause I've discovered myself ''electricity generation is no rocket science'' as you said.

I've built a water powered electricity generator, the first in the history of the world. It's so simple I believe there's an eternal conspiracy to surpress the science by the electricity companies and the powers that control the system of things of this world.

Follow me cause I am going to post the technology here on Nairaland pretty soon.

sammydemperor:


Nah, not today, not now... I won't insult you, Your ignorance has done that to you already

If you could read effectively maybe you'd have had a better understanding of where am driving at

some countries have the luxury of experimenting with solar powered plants, others like Nigeria don't, we currently have an installed capacity of not more than 7,000MW. Instead of building small plants everywhere, why not build something large to generate what can supply the entire country for about 18 hours daily...

You can say all you want, but i won't stoop to your level of immaturity by trading insults... I'd rather trade opinions with you

Thanks

1wolex85:


Oga, if only one large plant is built, it means we will have a single point of failure, besides have you considered the cost of transmitting the generated power to all parts of the country? I think I prefer this smaller cluster networks as it looks easier to manage.

Reference:


That's what I've been saying all along. The biggest economy in the world, the US has the second world war to thank for all its main manufactiring concerns. The third largest economy in the world, Japan was nuked in 1945, the fourth largest (if I'm not mistaken), Germany was turned to the largest stone quarry on earth by american, british and russian bombers. Why on earth can the black man, the Nigerian not profit from adversity. We are the only country in the world that has fought a civil war and gained nothing from it, rather retrogressing steadily since the war ended in 1971. Even Rwanda has changed for the better, unrecognizable. Why are certain sections so damned incensed, angry that free oil is going when it is the best thing to happen to this country when we all know it will soon run out or technology will overtake its appeal. Why do we resist the inevitable like a junkie resists his crack pipe being taken away......

aresa:




Thanks for the info you provided.
It's a nice and welcome development.








What's the difference between what we are spending and what other countries are spending on 1000MW. For 1125 MW, we are actually getting a good deal for our money.

The going rate for 1000MW is $1 billion.

Even the so called 22.500MW $22 billion largest damn you quoted = $1 billion per 1000 MW.

Do a little elementary arithmetic before spewing rubbish and even a little research before spewing ignorance on the internet. Hate and bitterness can not stop us.

locutas:


I beg to differ. "Intellectual finishing" adds no positive value to the Power Sector discussion. The article states (and I quote verbatim)

"The Federal Government on Thursday in Abuja signed a Front-Runner Solar Power Purchase Agreements (PPAs) worth 1.75 billion dollars with 14 companies to build 1125 Megawatts(MW) capacity of renewable power in the country."

The worth of a PPA does not directly translate to the cost of the Power Plant (or Plants in this case). The worth is typically the value of the revenue accruable from the tariff over the life of the PPA (typically 20 years). The article is misleading in my opinion; as is most information in the public space on the Power Sector.

The stated amount cannot be the value of the PPAs signed, and I am equally doubtful that it represents the full development cost of the Solar Plants (CAPEX, etc.).

nextstep:
"Ouch!"

That was the sound of me falling out of my tree from laughing so hard. $1.75billion, on solar for 1125MW. I'm a *huuuge* fan of solar, but this effort might do us more harm than not. Let me see if I can explain in between stifling my laughter.

First, we know that 1/2 the money will just be eaten, so we're down to $875 million

Second, our minister has not yet learned to successfully manage the hydro and thermal plants we have on ground successfully, but rather than fixing the problem (underperforming plants, woeful grid, and ne'er do well vandals), we're pouring money down the drain on new infrastructure. I know some towns whose transformers have blown for years now.

Third, does this involve huge banks of battery banks or are we only going to see electricity when the sun is shining?

Fourth, solar needs a good amount of maintenance (cleaning the panels regularly, battery replacement) to continue to work. I'm sure there's no money in this budget for maintenance or replacement. How do we dispose of (or recycle) all the used batteries? Are we just going to dump all that lead in our ground, every 2-3 years?

Fifth, show me a government-provided solar installation that worked after six months.

Sixth, have we trained anybody local to install and maintain? Or are we going to see rusted pieces of metal in about 1-2 years time?

Seventh, how are we going to pay for all this? Is it loan, bonds, or existing cash? Will tariffs rise 3x?

Anyways, good job, looking forward to seeing it work, now back up the mango tree I go.

dyn1800:
At least they will see a football match in 5 days

Olabestonic001:


Stop saying things you don't really understand. Its better to generate and supply at 33KV with embedded powers of 8-1000KW. That will help us a lot. Someone have schooled you about the disadvantage of the large plant you're suggesting. Also, a large plant is susceptible to the whims of saboteurs.
Do you know that IKEDC does a lot of this embedded Power plants and you can see that power in their control has improved a lot.

sammydemperor:


Bro thanks for giving them that insight... A lot of guys have insulted n spat on what I said earlier on, I just look at their comment and I see why unemployment rate is xo high, imagine someone even said that 33kv is the best voltage for energy transmission

Truth is as long as these politicians use this party line politics to divide the Nigerian youths, this country will never progress... They don't understand how these things work in real life, that's why you see them call you ignorant even before they understand your point.

I still stand by what I said, that the true solution lies on mega power plants not small solar farms ...we need every power we can generate, but the government shouldn't stop at that, they should tackle this issue head on

aresa:





1125 MW plant with $1.75 billion and $22.5 billion and it generates 22,500 MW = $1 Billion per 1000 MW = The same thing.


He did not nail anything, he exposed his ignorance and inability to do simple arithmetic, or maybe you yourself no sabi elementary arithmetic..

Bobbybabs:

Don't mind them, all they do is come here to spew rubbish on issues they have no practical knowledge on. I myself don't know much about power generation. However I will definitely choose a plan of setting 10 mega plants all over the country to supply us a total of 50,000MW than having thousands of all these 100mw plants.
Common sense should tell you it is easier to track, maintain and grow these 10 mega plants I am sighting as an example. But everyone here is using the avengers situation as an excuse. So are you telling me now that the government can provide adequate security to important infrastructures in the country. If your answer is No than we are done. Nothing will ever be sustainable, it's only of matter of time before everything packs up.
All these mini power plants are not sustainable in the long run in terms of logistics and maintenance. Won't you rather have your engineers working together maintaining on one plant than moving from one village to another in different state tracking mini power plants.

shukuokukobambi:


chai!!

See what your desire not to see anything good happen in this country has done to you

So we should wait until your village elders help us contribute the money to build a 10,000MW plant before we start attempting to help our sorry power situation? abi you hide the billions of dollars needed inside an earthen ware pot in your village square?

Abeg jes kip kwayet there

sammydemperor:
smh...

is it that we lack understanding or the will power to make effective change

For God sakes who builds a 1125 MW plant with $1.75 billion?

You guys may see it as progress, but damn how much do you really know about power generation, its not about the number of stations, rather the capacity. These plants will not be able to deliver up to 45% of their rated capacity to the Grid...

the largest dam in world was built at a cost of $22.5 billion and it generates 22,500 MW of electricity, spare me all the bullshit of littering the whole country with mini-power plants...

build something tangible, power generation is not rocket science all it takes is just some level of responsiveness to the plight of your people

this is how they will keep on taking us for granted, if we just take anything they bring to our table without us questioning them

so much for change...

Bobbybabs:

Don't mind them, all they do is come here to spew rubbish on issues they have no practical knowledge on. I myself don't know much about power generation. However I will definitely choose a plan of setting 10 mega plants all over the country to supply us a total of 50,000MW than having thousands of all these 100mw plants.
Common sense should tell you it is easier to track, maintain and grow these 10 mega plants I am sighting as an example. But everyone here is using the avengers situation as an excuse. So are you telling me now that the government can provide adequate security to important infrastructures in the country. If your answer is No than we are done. Nothing will ever be sustainable, it's only of matter of time before everything packs up.
All these mini power plants are not sustainable in the long run in terms of logistics and maintenance. Won't you rather have your engineers working together maintaining on one plant than moving from one village to another in different state tracking mini power plants.

supersystems:


Lol India South Korea closed their borders and learnt the hardway,when we break things down and do some reverse engineering yu'll be suprised we can do anything we wanna.Trust me,North Korea is a prime example.Did they put up bids for peoeple who can build solar panels and they didnt get.

Monocrystallite
Polycrystallite it's not hard.I've been understudying this in a while besides myself i've seen geniuses todoing well in mother land in this field bro

peacecoy:
You claim to know so much but I will highlight some basic truth.1.solar energy projects are more expensive than other forms of similar capacity 2.solar energy plants usually come in relatively smaller capacity(technology constraints).The areas where these plants will sited .it is proven the plants will give <70% of rated capacity.Nigeria has advanced in solar power studies,research,pilot plants etc . Check out Unisokoto,ABTU & ABU.

aresa:













What's the difference between what we are spending and what other countries are spending on 1000MW. For 1125 MW, we are actually getting a good deal for our money.

The going rate for 1000MW is $1 billion.

Even the so called 22.500MW $22 billion largest damn you quoted = $1 billion per 1000 MW.

Do a little elementary arithmetic before spewing rubbish and even a little research before spewing ignorance on the internet. Hate and bitterness can not stop us.

aresa:




1. These are solar panels with almost zero breakable moving engines and little or no maintenance, zero breakdowns and the fact that we have almost year round sunshine means solar has remains the best and cheapest option. They also take little time to complete. The worst is replacing solar damaged or broken panels which takes minutes to replace.


2. The hydro dams you are suggesting are labor intensive and their performance is based on water level, constant maintenance and repairs means shutdowns or reduced output.


Seems you enjoy disputing your own views with your own views..

A little education: Solar is sustainable and renewable energy.

aresa:




1. These are solar panels with almost zero breakable moving engines and little or no maintenance, zero breakdowns and the fact that we have almost year round sunshine means solar has remains the best and cheapest option. They also take little time to complete. The worst is replacing solar damaged or broken panels which takes minutes to replace.


2. The hydro dams you are suggesting are labor intensive and their performance is based on water level, constant maintenance and repairs means shutdowns or reduced output.


Seems you enjoy disputing your own views with your own views..

A little education: Solar is sustainable and renewable energy.

sammydemperor:
What was I expecting from youths who only read PDFs and have never practiced shit

I feel sorry for your thought process though...

nextstep:
"Ouch!"

That was the sound of me falling out of my tree from laughing so hard. $1.75billion, on solar for 1125MW. I'm a *huuuge* fan of solar, but this effort might do us more harm than not. Let me see if I can explain in between stifling my laughter.

First, we know that 1/2 the money will just be eaten, so we're down to $875 million

Second, our minister has not yet learned to successfully manage the hydro and thermal plants we have on ground successfully, but rather than fixing the problem (underperforming plants, woeful grid, and ne'er do well vandals), we're pouring money down the drain on new infrastructure. I know some towns whose transformers have blown for years now.

Third, does this involve huge banks of battery banks or are we only going to see electricity when the sun is shining?

Fourth, solar needs a good amount of maintenance (cleaning the panels regularly, battery replacement) to continue to work. I'm sure there's no money in this budget for maintenance or replacement. How do we dispose of (or recycle) all the used batteries? Are we just going to dump all that lead in our ground, every 2-3 years?

Fifth, show me a government-provided solar installation that worked after six months.

Sixth, have we trained anybody local to install and maintain? Or are we going to see rusted pieces of metal in about 1-2 years time?

Seventh, how are we going to pay for all this? Is it loan, bonds, or existing cash? Will tariffs rise 3x?

Anyways, good job, looking forward to seeing it work, now back up the mango tree I go.

sammydemperor:


Mind you I never claimed I know so much, am a certified hybrid systems engineer both in training and practice, and am into power systems and power electronics now, am just telling you the little I know, if there's something you know that I don't, feel free to share, you don't need to make it seem like am competing with you... Thanks

GuyfawkesAB:


I don't need to prophesy, but it appears to me that you may not amount to much in this life and thereafter. After all the explanations that some posters have lent you, that even myself had learned a lot from, you are still arrogant and noisy, not ready to admit that your idea doesn't fit into current and future power programs.

A proud and arrogant person doesn't achieve much in life

Bobbybabs:

Please stop this ignorance, you are not helping yourself trust me.
The last time I checked I never stated the use use of hydro dams. All I said is pick what is best and build 10 mega power plants of lets say 5000mw each.
Lastly if you can process information well you should know that i clearly stated that all these 100mw mini power plants combined will be more expensive to sustain at the long run. And it is not just about solar plants.
I will still stand by what I said earlier, it is better to have 10 mega plants than having hundreds of mini plants all over the country. And please spare me the avengers excuse.
Is it not better providing full security for 10 mega plants than providing security for many mini plants.

Pakistan to build world’s Largest Solar part of 1000 MW generation


Entire solar park, with 1000 MW production ability is estimated to cost around US 1.5 billion dollars

http://germanystudy.net/pakistan-to-build-worlds-largest-solar-part-of-1000-mw-geneartion/



Here are some key highlights of Qaid-e-Azam Solar Park:

Overall capacity: 1,000 Mega Watts
Phase 1 Capacity: 100 MW
Completion of Phase 1: December 2014
Phase II Capacity: 300 MW
Phase III Capacity: 600 MW
Final Capacity: 1,000 MW
Completion of final phase: Dec 2016
Dedicated Area: 6500 Acres (Phase 1 Area: 500 Acres)
Boundary Wall: 9 KM
Annual solar Energy after final phase: 2,000 kWh/m2

sammydemperor:


Have you ever worked in a power plant before... You think it's just one generator unit they have,

You have no idea bro, you don't even know jack about power generation transmission nor distribution in this country, from your write ups one can easily tell you are quoting from PDFs

Lemme burst your bubble a bit, do you know that hydro powered plants are renewable energy sources Ohh you thought it's just solar and wind... Hydro plants are sustainable, they are what the whole national grid system relies on for black starting the grid, quit your game of playing the wise one here, just look at what Indian books have done to your life

Talking about solar powered plants, you think it's just the normal series and parallel connections they thought you back in school that they use in designing such systems, you think you just walk into the plant and replace any damage panel just like that without shutting down... Lol you must really be ignorant, time and energy will always be lost no matter the type of plant you operate as long as you have to carry out maintenance actions, so it's not just hydro plants it affects only... Mind you solar panels looses its efficiency as time goes by

aresa:













What's the difference between what we are spending and what other countries are spending on 1000MW. For 1125 MW, we are actually getting a good deal for our money.

The going rate for 1000MW is $1 billion.

Even the so called 22.500MW $22 billion largest damn you quoted = $1 billion per 1000 MW.

Do a little elementary arithmetic before spewing rubbish and even a little research before spewing ignorance on the internet. Hate and bitterness can not stop us.