CoolUsername:


A forty-year-old can manipulate an eleven-year-old for sex without any resistance. This is still considered abuse. Why? Because an eleven year old child is emotionally immature by default. Nobody would be arrested if both participants are underage, of course.

Conversely, an animal cannot give consent to a person because it is stunted mentally, emotionally, and intellectually when compared to humans.

KingEbukaNaija:



One of the main attacks against bestiality/zoophilia is the issue of consent. These arguments take shape into something like this: "having sex with a dog is wrong because the dog can't say no". Through logic I will show that these arguments by anti-zoos hold no logical reasoning at all, and in fact the consent issue is generally a smoke screen for the icky factor. I will show here that animals can, and do show sexual consent with a human.

Before I can effectively show that animals do have the ability to consent for sex, I need to define exactly how I am using consent:

–verb (used without object)
1. to permit, approve, or agree; comply or yield (often fol. by to or an infinitive): He consented to the proposal. We asked her permission, and she consented.
2. Archaic. to agree in sentiment, opinion, etc.; be in harmony.


Animals are sentient beings just like humans, that is they have the power of perception and a consciousness. An animal experiences pleasure and pain. A person who owns a dog knows if what they do causes pleasure or pain. When we scratch a dogs head we can tell the dog enjoys this, he may roll on his back and let you rub his stomach. Likewise, hitting the dog in the head with a shoe causes pain and the dog will shy away and be fearful in the future.

Animals can not verbally say yes or no to sex in our human languages but they have other ways to show how they feel. Surely a dog who has mounted, say his human lover, experiences pleasure. This is evident because of his orgasm. Female dogs have orgasms too. Once a dog for example realizes you as a sexual being, they show sexual desire quite often: females will sway their tales revealing their swollen vagina's and dry hump the air in front of you, males will become erect and try to mount.

Anyone who is zoo will be aware of when their animals want sex. More importantly, they will respect their animal partner when they do not want sex. Sometimes when you rub your partner down there they will pull away and sit elsewhere. That is how animals show they are either interested or not.

If an animal does not enjoy what is happening to them they will show bodily signs of this: they will tense up, their eyes and ears will move, tails might jitter, and they will pull away. If you continue it could bring painful results: Dogs have powerful teeth and will bite you! Horses can break bones (or worse) with a single kick. Quite simply, it is obvious to see what causes pleasure and pain.

As I said before, the consent issue is really a smoke screen for the icky factor. By and large people are disgusted about the idea so they claim consent is a big issue when in fact it is not. People do many awful things to animals who do not consent to what is being done:

(1) Do animals consent to locking them in a cage?
(2) Do animals consent to being slaughtered and killed in the millions every year for food?
(3) Do animals consent to being tested on by chemicals?
(4) Do animals consent to being 'fixed'?

If you did any of those four things to a human you would be thrown in jail for life (possibly killed in many US states). Not so ironically though, doing those things to animals is okay. It is accepted and happens everyday.

But as soon as you have loving sex with your dog who you care for more than anything in the world, somehow you are a sick and awful human being.

Ironic?

Source : http://www.onlinedebate.net/forums/showthread.php/14297-Animals-*can*-consent-to-sex

CoolUsername:

You just reiterated the argument I refuted.

Now replace animals with children.

CoolUsername:


I stand by my opinion. Killing animals for food or to control population is fine and good because it is necessary for survival or reasonable comfort.

Adopting an animal for work or as a pet provides it with food and shelter. It's a similar case with the schooling thing, education would be necessary for the child to survive in the society later in life.

So how is my opinion wrong? Because going by Shadeyinka's logic, paedophilia is moral since he used the fact that consent isn't necessary in certain other cases to show that it isn't necessary for sex.

taurus25:
Ethically, it is difficult to find a moral issue with beastiality, consent in this case is ambigous because how exactly are we to determine if the animal is willing or not?. Their mental capacity is comparable to that of a child.

Soceity tailors morality towards what is necessary for the collective survival and well being of our race. This is why theres nothing morally wrong with killing and eating animals, because it is necessary for our survival.

Personally, beatiality is outright disgusting, disgusting because im not by default attracted to animals in any way. However, this alone doesnt make it wrong.

There are men who find fat women disgusting and unimaginabe to have sex with, this doesnt mean it is wrong to sleep with fat women.

Unless you give me an ethical reason why beastiality is wrong i dont give a rats ass if a person decides to bang his goat or cow. It doesnt concern me rather does it affect the human race in any way.

JackBizzle:



a) Until a person gets a new strain of a virus from all that animal sex

b) Consent is a thing. It defines rape. Animals can't give consent.

KingEbukaNaija:


Animals can give consent .

KingEbukaNaija:


Animals can give consent .

JackBizzle:



Oh....I forgot.

You believe in a Jewish fairytales colouring book that has talking snakes, talking donkeys, witches, ghosts and sea dragons.

KingEbukaNaija:


Nope . I did not .



Are you kidding me ??

I think you should actually read and comprehend the post not take a cursory glance at it

4kings:

Hmmm

KingEbukaNaija:


Scroll up

CoolUsername:


Taking advantage of emotional immaturity or weaker cognitive ability of an animal is abuse.

CoolUsername:


Sex requires all participants to be equally capable of giving consent (at least, to some extent).

KingEbukaNaija:

Anyone who is zoo will be aware of when their animals want sex. More importantly, they will respect their animal partner when they do not want sex. Sometimes when you rub your partner down there they will pull away and sit elsewhere. That is how animals show they are either interested or not.

KingEbukaNaija:

Female dogs have orgasms too. Once a dog for example realizes you as a sexual being, they show sexual desire quite often: females will sway their tales revealing their swollen vagina's and dry hump the air in front of you, males will become erect and try to mount.

taurus25:
Ethically, it is difficult to find a moral issue with beastiality, consent in this case is ambigous because how exactly are we to determine if the animal is willing or not?. Their mental capacity is comparable to that of a child.

Soceity tailors morality towards what is necessary for the collective survival and well being of our race. This is why theres nothing morally wrong with killing and eating animals, because it is necessary for our survival.

Personally, beatiality is outright disgusting, disgusting because im not by default attracted to animals in any way. However, this alone doesnt make it wrong.

There are men who find fat women disgusting and unimaginabe to have sex with, this doesnt mean it is wrong to sleep with fat women.

Unless you give me an ethical reason why beastiality is wrong i dont give a rats ass if a person decides to bang his goat or cow. It doesnt concern me rather does it affect the human race in any way.

KingEbukaNaija:


But as soon as you have loving sex with your dog who you care for more than anything in the world, somehow you are a sick and awful human being.

Ironic?

Source : http://www.onlinedebate.net/forums/showthread.php/14297-Animals-*can*-consent-to-sex

Weah96:


Are you asking WHY bestiality is a crime? It is a crime, you know.
Well, systems of government determine how laws are passed.

Weed is illegal in the US and cigarettes are legal. 450,000 people die directly as a result of cigarettes every year, to zero being killed by weed.

KingEbukaNaija:


No the question is if bestiality is morally right or wrong , to the atheists . If you had read the OP you have seen countries where bestiality is legal. But it being legal or verboten doesn't not mean its right ( when legal) or its wrong (when verboten ) . Just like the case of homosexuality - its legal in some countries but it does not make it morally right .



You smoke weed , don't you ?

Weah96:


It is wrong in countries where it is illegal, morally. Someone attracted to animals cannot openly sleep with said animals in the US, or have the deed discovered. He would be a criminal, an immediate immoral label.

In countries that permit it, it isn't morally wrong. They are law abiding citizens who have an attraction for animals. I'm not attracted to men and nothing will make me change my sexual identity. Likewise, those who aren't attracted to animals won't stoop so low as to sleep with one.

If you're attracted to an animal, then you obviously have a functional mental imbalance, created by a childhood issue. But the law gets to decide if you can walk on the same street as myself.

People have already raised the issue of eating animals, which is worse than r.aping them. Your problem is that you think that we are somehow superior to them somehow. It's probably the aeroplane or the cellphone that is confusing you. Or the myriad inventions and technologies.

I don't smoke weed. I ingest THC.

KingEbukasBlog:
Atheists like MrMontella and jonbellion should contribute.

KingEbukasBlog:
Atheists like MrMontella and jonbellion should contribute.

jonbellion:
huh
Zoophilia is wrong
Bleep Canada

KingEbukasBlog:


Cogent reasons why you reject it

jonbellion:
lol it's complicated

JackBizzle:


like the rightful heir to the iron throne

jonbellion:
lol
Na denerys na

chrmn1:
KingEbuka how many times I call u?