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Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by mayama(m): 2:55pm On Jul 29, 2016
Enya what a pity
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by ManMountain(m): 2:56pm On Jul 29, 2016
DIKEnaWAR:


It was (then) Col Ibrahim Babangida that led the assault, not Danjuma.

Why did Danjuma not take over?

1. They tried to avoid what happened when Ironsi was killed that led to the war by refusing the next in rank, Brig Ogundipe to take over. Obj was next in rank and ought to take over. Having Obj in power then was really nothing to them, because he was an appendage of the north then.

2. Why was he not made second in command to Obj? He is a christian and from northern minority. They needed a muslim from the core north to pair Obj to placate the 'owners' of Nigeria that they have not totally lost power.

You either don't know Nigeria history or changed the narratives to try and absolve Ironsi of any act of omission.
The chief of army staff was no any other than TY Danjuma, he personally secured the seat of power while providing logistics and tactical manoeuvres for the infantry boys.
He insisted that OBJ and not him should take over while they hurriedly had to fetched out and promote Yar'adua to assuage the battered Hausa Fulanis.

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Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by mayama(m): 2:57pm On Jul 29, 2016
mayama:
Enya what a pity
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by Bluette(f): 2:57pm On Jul 29, 2016
Hmmm.
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by Philinho(m): 2:57pm On Jul 29, 2016
Very touching. Nigeria is yet to resolve the mess till today. Buhari is even in the continuation of the lingering mess in Nigeria

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Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by Truckpusher(m): 2:59pm On Jul 29, 2016
Jombojombo:

You are wise.
But the fact was that he was the most senior officer at the time. In addition, he led the counter operation against the main plotters of the first coup which led to its eventual failure in Lagos and Ironsi's subsequent assumption of office.
He was the most senior officer at that time and no one would ask him to simply sit down and take the back seat and he also led the counter operation against the plotters of the first coup which you were right but the question is : what was his actions especially against the coup plotters when he became the major beneficiary of that same coup ?

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Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by ManMountain(m): 2:59pm On Jul 29, 2016
You don't go killing people mindlessly and still be a beneficiary of that night of madness
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by damton(m): 3:00pm On Jul 29, 2016
Ironsi's failure to deal decisively with the coup plotters which was largely perceived as an ethnic coup gives an untoward impression of a tacit support to the cause of the coup plotters, and more so, coming from this same ethnic group.

Hence the growing discontent within the military ranks which led to his death.

However, you can't rule out the obsession of some officers just to penetrate and perpetuate their selves in power politics in Nigeria.

If not for anything, history will always remember him as an officer who restored peace and order at a time the country was about drifting away from the precipice.

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Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by ChemicalReaction(f): 3:00pm On Jul 29, 2016
realestniggah:
where are our elder at?who is aguiyi ironsi..

me i wasn't born during that time o
So, you didn't study 'government' in school?smh..
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by logicab: 3:00pm On Jul 29, 2016
And Fajuyi (who was his host) insisted that he must go with them where they were going.
Yet some Igbos would rather we believed Fajuyi was even more of a target than Ironsi.

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Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by ManMountain(m): 3:02pm On Jul 29, 2016
Truckpusher:
He was the most senior officer at that time and no one would ask to simply sit take the back seat and he also led the counter operation against the plotters of the first coup which you were right but the question is : what was his actions especially against the coup plotters when he became the major beneficiary of that same coup ?

His inactions or action of securing the coup plotters in the east with foot dragging on the the punishment for them led many people to conclude that he was out to buy time and protect them.
Aguiyi Ironsi inadvertently created this mess Nigeria is still struggling with after 50 years
In life, you reap what you sow.

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Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by logicab: 3:05pm On Jul 29, 2016
DIKEnaWAR:

I don't seek for this country to divide, but we must have a total fiscal federalism
Interestingly, same Ironsi damaged that same system you now say you want.

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Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by opribo(m): 3:05pm On Jul 29, 2016
As long as injustice continues to thrives in this nation so long there can never be peace and meaningful progress.
Just imagine a former Head of state killed while on active duty and abandoned just like that yet they remember Mutala Mohammed every year and immotalize him. If possible they will want to do same for late Abacha, IBB and the rest. Yet MKO the well known hero of our democracy forgotten by federal govt.

I dont think we know what we are doing in this country, how a set of nomads patrolling the desert can infiltrate our country and want to lord it over those who have baffles me. If govt likes let them not honor their veterans, if they like let them continue to play politics with the unity of this country. All I know is that any structure built on shaky ground will surely collapse oneday. Even till this day what was 50 years ago is still rife with us. My happiness is that the new generation does not care about history, they will settle everything once and for all when they start. So the old brigade can continue in the delusion that they can continue with all the lies and falsehood until that day of the Lord, Everything will be settled and the captives will be let loose to go and pursue their destiny.

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Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by babat89: 3:07pm On Jul 29, 2016
The only thing I saw was the crocodile swagger stick shocked na jazz or wetin?
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by Nobody: 3:07pm On Jul 29, 2016
ManMountain:


His inactions or action of securing the coup plotters in the east with foot dragging on the the punishment for them led many people to conclude that he was out to buy time and protect them.
Aguiyi Ironsi inadvertently created this mess Nigeria is still struggling with after 50 years
In life, you reap what you sow.

Actually....I blame the first republic politicians for not doing the right thing...and keeping onto power.

Instead they handed over to Ironsi....and ran away.
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by logicab: 3:07pm On Jul 29, 2016
DIKEnaWAR:

Being the most senior officer, he had to take over.
He had to take over? Which rule book has this? We had a democracy. He did NOT have to take over.

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Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by ManMountain(m): 3:11pm On Jul 29, 2016
Quakertellicus1:


Actually....I blame the first republic politicians for not doing the right thing...and keeping onto power.

Instead they handed over to Ironsi....and ran away.

You can't argue with a man with his gun holster dangling for all to see and with some murderous army boys surrounding you.
They actually had to scribble the handover note under duress using a small sheet of paper they could lay hands on.
There are so many accounts of how Ironsi took power from the politicians,

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Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by ManMountain(m): 3:13pm On Jul 29, 2016
logicab:
He had to take over? Which rule book has this? We had a democracy. He did NOT have to take over.

The aftermath of what transpired with the way power changed hand to Ironsi pointed to a pattern of Igbo elite complicity in the coup.

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Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by ManMountain(m): 3:16pm On Jul 29, 2016
tomquest:
Truth be told, Aguiyi Ironsi had the golden opportunity to do the right thing upon assuming leadership after the abortion of the so-called Igbo coup. But he failed to bring instant justice to those officers who brutally murdered notable Nigerians (while sparing those from a particular region of the country). This was the case against Ironsi. Perhaps the events which led up to the Civil War would have been averted and millions of lives saved.

QED.

No body have ever come out to explain the reason for Aguiyi not following military tradition of bringing instant justice to the coup plotters.

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Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by southpole: 3:17pm On Jul 29, 2016
idupaul:
Till today I don't know why Ironsi and Fajuyi were murdered because they even put up a resistance to the putchists
Did he arrest and punish the coupists as d law demand?

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Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by ManMountain(m): 3:18pm On Jul 29, 2016
babat89:
The only thing I saw was the crocodile swagger stick shocked na jazz or wetin?

Some people believe that the swagger stick actually have some form of potency and that was what TY and his boys first seized from him.

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Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by tomquest: 3:19pm On Jul 29, 2016
Jombojombo:

But the fact was that he was the most senior officer at the time. In addition, he led the counter operation against the main plotters of the first coup which led to its eventual failure in Lagos and Ironsi's subsequent assumption of office.

The anger [by the Awusas] after Ironsi assumed leadership was that he failed to deal squarely with the coup-plotters and "murderers". He was more interested in the sweetness of his new powers than being concerned about the regional tension that the 1966 coup was quickly instigating.

The lesson in his death is that, justice must not only be done but must be seen to be done!

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Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by southpole: 3:22pm On Jul 29, 2016
Jombojombo:

You are wise.
But the fact was that he was the most senior officer at the time. In addition, he led the counter operation against the main plotters of the first coup which led to its eventual failure in Lagos and Ironsi's subsequent assumption of office.
when he became the head of state did he arrest and punish the coupists as d law demand?

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Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by gowaga68: 3:23pm On Jul 29, 2016
Oluwabusobomi:

Am sure you don't know anything about the first nor the second coup. I can read ignorance all over ur post.
Get enlightened
If I may ask, wasn't it a coup for him to take that role?
Wasn't Nigeria govern by democrats..
Biko educate us.

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Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by Nobody: 3:23pm On Jul 29, 2016
Events of January 15 is why they were Murdered, By the Way his Murderer just become board Chairman of ntel two days ago.


idupaul:
Till today I don't know why Ironsi and Fajuyi were murdered because they even put up a resistance to the putchists

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Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by Fourwinds: 3:24pm On Jul 29, 2016
2eggs1goal:

Aguyi Ironsi acts and greed for power was/is part if not the main cause of Nigeria's problem, whereby people in government want to get to top even if it means killing their follow country men and expect people to worship them for it.
For his actions dia was a reaction, an eye for an eye makes Nigeria go blind sha.
please can u explain how he became greedy for power
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by chidozieikeji2: 3:24pm On Jul 29, 2016
2eggs1goal:

Aguyi Ironsi acts and greed for power was/is part if not the main cause of Nigeria's problem, whereby people in government want to get to top even if it means killing their follow country men and expect people to worship them for it.
For his actions dia was a reaction, an eye for an eye makes Nigeria go blind sha.
go and read history and stop talking trash ironsi was against nzeogwu he even did a lot of things in other to make the north happy he promoted countless northern soldiers with double ranks ranging from murtala muhammed even danjuman don't blame ironsi blame nzeogw ironsi died for something he didn't know about and secondly blame the npc contractors, men of ten percent In the north who felt they have lost power and so misled d north in order to bounce bak in the corridors of power

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Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by Eluwilussit(m): 3:25pm On Jul 29, 2016
AgentOrange:


The big mistake he made was wasting time in dealing with the coup plotters.

That was a huge mistake but we must also remember that that was the first time we had to deal with such a situation. So there was no precedent. Brand new situation.

If only he killed the plotters, the north would have been placated. Then again, January to July wasn't too long to assume that he wasted too much time. He would have been seen as being too much in a hurry if he had killed the plotters within a couple of months.

We are not aware of the activities of UN and other human rights then. The picture is fragmented and it is difficult to piece together what dilema these young officers must have faced in those days as regards their decision making.

What is appalling is not the first coup, second coup or the Civil War, but our inability to learn from them and move forward as a united nation. The same problems that we faced in the 50s and 60s are here with us today. It is even worse. Shameful.

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Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by chidozieikeji2: 3:26pm On Jul 29, 2016
ManMountain:


Danjuma led the assault that foiled the Dimka coup against Murtala, he was Chief of Army staff, be refused to to assume leadership role, to some people, they will labeled that as an act of cowardice, but a sensible one, it was a wise decision knowing that Dimka is a Middle Belt man like Danjuma.
Sometimes, the right thing is not always the wise or moral thing.
but he was junior to obj that's why obj took over
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by tomquest: 3:29pm On Jul 29, 2016
ChemicalReaction:
So, you didn't study 'government' in school?smh..

Dude is from the Indomie generation. All they know is phones and electronic games. They hardly read books on Nigeria's history.

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Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by chidozieikeji2: 3:30pm On Jul 29, 2016
DIKEnaWAR:


It was (then) Col Ibrahim Babangida that led the assault, not Danjuma.

Why did Danjuma not take over?

1. They tried to avoid what happened when Ironsi was killed that led to the war by refusing the next in rank, Brig Ogundipe to take over. Obj was next in rank and ought to take over. Having Obj in power then was really nothing to them, because he was an appendage of the north then.

2. Why was he not made second in command to Obj? He is a christian and from northern minority. They needed a muslim from the core north to pair Obj to placate the 'owners' of Nigeria that they have not totally lost power.
ye. U are right dats why obj a president instructed a yoruba senior officer to go and meet his vice wen he told him dat dia is need to promote yoruba officers yaradua heard it and sacked the guy d next morning
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by ManMountain(m): 3:31pm On Jul 29, 2016
chidozieikeji2:
but he was junior to obj that's why obj took over

He quelled the uprising as the COAS, OBJ was no where in the theater of action, just like Ironsi he had the choice of taking over and he was actually pushed by the other officers to take over, but he allowed wise thinking to guide him.

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