scully95:
The game is up in Aleppo, next on the line now is raqqa.. If there is one thing I love about Russia military advisers, it's how they know how to encircle the threat and arrest it.. But the very less educated people I would say thinks they can actually encircle the king of encirclement with NATO crazy basses and not get a total failure.

The level of professionalism in this recent Aleppo is of high standards compared to anything I have seen in a war front. meanwhile when you compared it to the Syrian manbij, the u.s zoo very uneducated decided to kill over 45 civilians claiming to be high value target.

it's time for Assad to declare a no flight zone in Syria while Russia and Syria enforce it. this i think he has started by firstly sending letter to u.s condemning the killing of Syrians, civilians in manbij.

just compare it to Aleppo where the Russia/syria created a corridor for their rebels to escape. super high level of humanity and profesionalism.

omg the difference is huge, too much....

Underground:
Is anyone following the developments around the Incirlik base in Turkey?

Appleyard:

What's happening over there?

Underground:
Thoughts? Appleyard, NairaMinted, Scully95, Zoharariel

"As I understand it, Erdogan’s aircraft was being followed by two or three Turkish rebel aircraft intent on shooting him out of the sky.

The reason they did not is that they were not only locked on to by S400 radar at Heymim airbase, but also were themselves being closely followed by armed Russian planes who politely informed their partners (Turkish rebel pilots), that if they made any attempt to shoot down Erdogan they themselves would be destroyed by the Russians.

This element of the attempted coup has not been reported in the West for obvious reasons. It is indicative, however, just how closely Russia was not only following events but also how they influenced the outcome to the detriment of the coup planners.

Taking this in to account, and considering the FSB face to face meeting with Erdogan just prior to the coup where the lists of traitors were supplied, and upon which he is now acting, I am inevitably drawn to the conclusion that Russian military intelligence today knows the exact numbers and locations of these bombs.

More than likely they are still in situ. I don’t think helicopters were used to move them but rather helicopters were much more likely carrying fleeing CIA terrorists and their traitorous Turkish colleagues to safe zones.

Nukes in Turkey and Pakistan and (possibly) Saudi Arabia as well as Isreal make for a lethal powder keg of disaster. No wonder Russia has drawn the Paks toward their trading block. Israel and the Saudis can read the writing on the wall…Clinton is even less trustworthy than Obama thus a change of allegiance to Russia is the only viable long term option.

With the collapse of the Muslem tummy in the US surrounding of Russia and China that leaves only NATO in Europe, South Korea and Japan.

The US world hegemony is unravelling before our eyes and short of all out war there is nothing the US can do to prevent it.

Syria was not a line in the sand. It was the fulcrum point on which the US hegemony destroyed itself. And Putin was the clever politician that saw in this something more. He turned what appeared to the Pentagon to be only a dubious tactic into a decisive strategem.

As the old English saying goes, ‘give him enough rope and he’ll hang himself’! In other words, be patient, let the arrogant US do what it wants without let or hindrance, and sure enough ultimately it will hang itself by its own stupidity.

The US has just publically hung itself across the entire Moslem world for all to see, and there is no turning back. Rothchild’s CIA has stretched its own neck with its own rope. QED.

The nukes are well watched and most probably have been lost to the Russians forever."

Appleyard:


There is no denying the fact that foreign intelligences knew about the botched coup, and from the look of things and body languages that follows its aftermath, one can conclude that while some or one of such intelligence body worked in favour of the attempted coup, the other worked against it. This much is very apparent when you consider actions of Turkey immediately after the coup. Turkey immediately called Russia "a friend," which signifies that the Russian intelligence must have helped in thwarting the coup, even though Erdogan denies that he didn't receive any help from any foreign intelligence, but his next comments during the Russian meeting further fuels the claims that FSB must have helped him during the attempted coup, when he said that, "if I make a call for help, I will always find a helper in Russia." That statement alone clarifies the fact that Erdogan was tipped off by the Russians, and so is very possible that S-400 triumph (which actually covered the whole of those area) and Russians tailing behind, must have been the reason why the F16s couldn't take out the presidential jet from the sky. There is simply no other plausible explanation for it.

Again, the lockdown of the Incirlik airbase with such huge security force and armaments, further lend credence to the increasingly obvious fact that a section of the US CIA was behind the coup, either with full or partial collabo from Washington, or that Washington wasn't even at all briefed on the attempted coup. This is very possible because this days, its becoming harder to tell who is in charge of American foreign policy. Whether its Bush era CIA or the other CIA plus Israeli lobby buggy man group, we can't tell anymore. Right now, trying to understand and comprehend the centrality of America's foreign policy, is one hell of an enigma, with State Department saying and doing one thing, while the factionalized CIA is doing another: a complete mystified paradoxical irony of stated objectives.

And now that Turkey is talking of striking defence arrangement with Russia, that will also include missile defence components, while also pushing forward the idea of a trilateral economic and security triangle that will involve Turkey, Russia and Azerbaijan, as a counter to its growing mistrust of and perceived mistreatment by NATO/the EU, is raising eyebrows in the western hemisphere, and has further laid bare the folly and archaic policy of the US in backstabbing and always seeking to overthrow any nation that deviate from its puppeteering course of action. Thus, the rumours making the mills about the tactical nukes, could be anything to go by, not that they would be of much use to Turkey in any significant sense, since they don't have the launch codes either.

However, one thing is gradually unravelling , and it is that, American foreign policy to the Mideast is crumbling before our very eyes. The only regret is that its going to be at the expense of much blood and chaos.

Missy89:


The problem with most anti America, Putin friendly hacks on NL is that they are simply incapable of grasping that there can be any evil in the world not directly hatched by Washington. This is a very clueless position you guys start every argument with.

Appleyard:


Nobody is incapable of grasping anything. Its your lots you have stubbornly refused to see beyond the fleece of jingoism, imbedded with the chronic syndrome of "America can never do wrong," that is the real problem here. As long as oil, pipelines and wars are involved, America will always get pulled in. Face the facts and quit living in delusion.

Appleyard:


There is no denying the fact that foreign intelligences knew about the botched coup, and from the look of things and body languages that follows its aftermath, one can conclude that while some or one of such intelligence body worked in favour of the attempted coup, the other worked against it. This much is very apparent when you consider actions of Turkey immediately after the coup. Turkey immediately called Russia "a friend," which signifies that the Russian intelligence must have helped in thwarting the coup, even though Erdogan denies that he didn't receive any help from any foreign intelligence, but his next comments during the Russian meeting further fuels the claims that FSB must have helped him during the attempted coup, when he said that, "if I make a call for help, I will always find a helper in Russia." That statement alone clarifies the fact that Erdogan was tipped off by the Russians, and so is very possible that S-400 triumph (which actually covered the whole of those area) and Russians tailing behind, must have been the reason why the F16s couldn't take out the presidential jet from the sky. There is simply no other plausible explanation for it.

Again, the lockdown of the Incirlik airbase with such huge security force and armaments, further lend credence to the increasingly obvious fact that a section of the US CIA was behind the coup, either with full or partial collabo from Washington, or that Washington wasn't even at all briefed on the attempted coup. This is very possible because this days, its becoming harder to tell who is in charge of American foreign policy. Whether its Bush era CIA or the other CIA plus Israeli lobby buggy man group, we can't tell anymore. Right now, trying to understand and comprehend the centrality of America's foreign policy, is one hell of an enigma, with State Department saying and doing one thing, while the factionalized CIA is doing another: a complete mystified paradoxical irony of stated objectives.

And now that Turkey is talking of striking defence arrangement with Russia, that will also include missile defence components, while also pushing forward the idea of a trilateral economic and security triangle that will involve Turkey, Russia and Azerbaijan, as a counter to its growing mistrust of and perceived mistreatment by NATO/the EU, is raising eyebrows in the western hemisphere, and has further laid bare the folly and archaic policy of the US in backstabbing and always seeking to overthrow any nation that deviate from its puppeteering course of action. Thus, the rumours making the mills about the tactical nukes, could be anything to go by, not that they would be of much use to Turkey in any significant sense, since they don't have the launch codes either.

However, one thing is gradually unravelling , and it is that, American foreign policy to the Mideast is crumbling before our very eyes. The only regret is that its going to be at the expense of much blood and chaos.

Missy89:



How many oil and pipelines did America takeover in Korea and Vietnam and Iraq? How much Oil import does America get from the middle east? Do you know?

NairaMinted:


I couldn't have said it any better. The body language and statements post coup and the delayed statements of condemnation of the coup from the West says a lot.

I also hear that that story of Erdogan seeking asylum in Germany whilst the coup was unfolding was hatched by a Western paper to lend more credence to the illusion that the coup was succeeding.