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French Muslims Refuse To Bury Teenager Who Killed Priest by GrandMufti: 7:20am On Jul 31, 2016
Muslims in the hometown of Adel Kermiche, one of the teenage attackers who slit the throat of an elderly priest in a church in France, have refused to bury him.

The 19-year-old, along with Abdel Malik Petitjean, also 19, took six people hostage at a church in Saint-Étienne-du-Rouvray before killing its 86-year-old priest, Father Jacques Hamel, during a morning mass at around 10am local time on Tuesday.

A nun who was in the church – identified as Sister Danielle – said the priest was forced to the ground before his throat was slit.

Both Kermiche and Petitjean were later shot dead by police.

Following the attack, Isis issued a claim of responsibility calling the pair of attackers “soldiers of the Islamic State”. Isis’ Amaq propaganda agency later released video footage of the French attackers pledging allegiance to the terror group.

Religious leaders in Saint-Étienne-du-Rouvray have refused to prepare or bury Kermiche’s body, saying they do not want to “taint” Islam by having any connection to the jihadist.

Mohammed Karabila, president of the local Muslim cultural association and imam at a local mosque, told French newspaper Le Parisien: “We’re not going to taint Islam with this person.

“We won’t participate in preparing the body or the burial.”

Fellow Muslims in the town, near Rouen in Normandy, supported the decision, Sky News reports.

Khalid El Amrani, a 25-year-old technician, said: “What this young man did is sinful; he is no longer part of our community.”

The mayor’s office will ultimately decide whether or not Kermiche will be buried in the town.

Family friend Jonathan Sacarabany said Kermiche grew up in a housing project in Saint-Étienne-du-Rouvray.

Mr Sacarabany said the jihadist was originally born in Algeria and had a sister who is a doctor in Rouen and a brother. Their mother is a professor.

The French government has come under increasing criticism for failing to prevent atrocities, including the attack in Normandy.

Security services were tipped off that Petitjean was planning an attack but police were reportedly unable to identify him from photos and video footage showing him declaring allegiance to the so-called Islamic State.

He was already on country’s “fiche S” terror watchlist for attempting to travel to Syria in June but slipped through the net to re-enter France after being stopped by Turkish authorities.

Kermiche was also known to security services and was wearing an electronic surveillance tag while on bail as he awaited trial for membership of a terror organisation at the time.

The attack came less than a than a fortnight after the Nice attack, when a Tunisian man killed 84 people and injured 300 more when he ploughed a lorry into crowds celebrating Bastille Day.



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/normandy-church-attack-muslim-community-refuse-to-bury-french-priest-killer-adel-kermiche-a7164301.html

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Re: French Muslims Refuse To Bury Teenager Who Killed Priest by ikbnice(m): 7:32am On Jul 31, 2016
That's the best treatment for him. Let the ISIS who has misguided him come and bury him. Wishing him a life of eternity in hell.

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Re: French Muslims Refuse To Bury Teenager Who Killed Priest by rusher14: 7:34am On Jul 31, 2016
Nice touch.
Re: French Muslims Refuse To Bury Teenager Who Killed Priest by Mailthaddeus(m): 8:00am On Jul 31, 2016
DemonInSiege:



Muslims are terrorists, they are pretending

The killer and the victim are going to the same place,

mess God

Hey demon or whatever u call urself, be careful with ur words before the wrought of God descend upon u. Only fools like u say there is no God.
U better repent before it's too late for u

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Re: French Muslims Refuse To Bury Teenager Who Killed Priest by Nobody: 9:57am On Jul 31, 2016
This is wrong. A sinful Muslim is entitled to a Muslim burial regardless of the enormity of his sin. This is a collective responsibility on French Muslims. It is not their right to judge him.

For Muslims who may wish to be clearer on rulings concerning issues like this...

https://islamqa.info/en/67576
Re: French Muslims Refuse To Bury Teenager Who Killed Priest by true2god: 10:25am On Jul 31, 2016
Farmerforlife:
This is wrong. A sinful Muslim is entitled to a Muslim burial regardless of the enormity of his sin. This is a collective responsibility on French Muslims. It is not their right to judge him.
What message will the Muslim ummah be sending to us kafirs if they give this Muslim terrorist an Islamic burial? Anyway he is following following the instructions of Mohammed to 'behead the infidels wherever you find them (even inside church or synagogue)'...Quran 9:5.

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Re: French Muslims Refuse To Bury Teenager Who Killed Priest by Nobody: 10:38am On Jul 31, 2016
true2god:
What message will the Muslim ummah be sending to us kafirs if they give this Muslim terrorist an Islamic burial? Anyway he is following following the instructions of Mohammed to 'behead the infidels wherever you find them (even inside church or synagogue)'...Quran 9:5.

We are not at all interested in what you unbelievers think, or in sending you any messages of appeasement. We Muslims are answerable only to our Lord and Creator; the Almighty. When will you finally manage to get that into your head?

And you can misquote the Quran all you like. Not interested in what you believe there either. I think that most Muslims are informed enough about Islam nowadays to know when you are lying and inserting your brand of falsehood into brackets while quoting the Quran, so your addendums no longer even merit a passing glance.

Take care of your blood pressure before you blow a pipe while monitoring Muslims.

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Re: French Muslims Refuse To Bury Teenager Who Killed Priest by Presbulg(m): 10:41am On Jul 31, 2016
One less terrorist... Death to you all.
Re: French Muslims Refuse To Bury Teenager Who Killed Priest by annunaki2(m): 11:27am On Jul 31, 2016
Farmerforlife:
This is wrong. A sinful Muslim is entitled to a Muslim burial regardless of the enormity of his sin. This is a collective responsibility on French Muslims. It is not their right to judge him.

Islamic terrorism sympathiser sighted. angry

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Re: French Muslims Refuse To Bury Teenager Who Killed Priest by Nobody: 7:06pm On Jul 31, 2016
annunaki2:


Islamic terrorism sympathiser sighted. angry


Yaaawwwn! Whatever that means.

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Re: French Muslims Refuse To Bury Teenager Who Killed Priest by terrezo2002(m): 8:30pm On Jul 31, 2016
There are Muslims who have good morals, but morality is not enough to get you to heaven. Give your lives to Jesus Christ because He is the righteousness of God. It's only in Jesus Christ that anyone could be righteous.
Anyone who follows the true teachings of Islam and Quran will definitely hate christians. So whether physically involve in the killings of Christians or not, as long as you hate them as your Quran directed you, then you are a murderer and the blood of the innocent is upon you.
As a Christian, we are commanded to pray for those who hurt us, repay no evil with evil but good, forgive those who wrong us that we may be children of the most high God.

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Re: French Muslims Refuse To Bury Teenager Who Killed Priest by true2god: 10:55pm On Jul 31, 2016
Farmerforlife:


We are not at all interested in what you unbelievers think, or in sending you any messages of appeasement. We Muslims are answerable only to our Lord and Creator; the Almighty. When will you finally manage to get that into your head?

And you can misquote the Quran all you like. Not interested in what you believe there either. I think that most Muslims are informed enough about Islam nowadays to know when you are lying and inserting your brand of falsehood into brackets while quoting the Quran, so your addendums no longer even merit a passing glance.

Take care of your blood pressure before you blow a pipe while monitoring Muslims.
Please explain the proper context of Quran 9:5, 29-30 with respect to what your Islamic terrorist did. Is he following the sunnah or not?
Re: French Muslims Refuse To Bury Teenager Who Killed Priest by Nobody: 5:05am On Aug 01, 2016
true2god:
Please explain the proper context of Quran 9:5, 29-30 with respect to what your Islamic terrorist did. Is he following the sunnah or not?

The sum total of Islamic teachings are not all summarized in Quran 9:5, 29-30 as you want us to believe. Nor do I believe that you have not been previously told the context on many previous occasions. If you did not comprehend it then, you will not do so now.

Your submission is also way off the topic of the op. The discussion concerns conducting the funeral rites for the dead criminal Muslim. Whatever his misdeeds were, he was a Muslim (I am sure you vehemently agree with this), and therefore entitled to a Muslim burial. Furthermore, he has been punished for his crime and that is that. Islamic stipulations are clear and are not reliant on the personal preferences of non Muslims or the emotional knee-jerk reactions of ignorant Muslim apologists.

The French Muslims' reaction was wrong from an Islamic point of view.

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Re: French Muslims Refuse To Bury Teenager Who Killed Priest by sanandreas(m): 7:07am On Aug 01, 2016
Farmerforlife:


The sum total of Islamic teachings are not all summarized in Quran 9:5, 29-30 as you want us to believe. Nor do I believe that you have not been previously told the context on many previous occasions. If you did not comprehend it then, you will not do so now.

Your submission is also way off the topic of the op. The discussion concerns conducting the funeral rites for the dead criminal Muslim. Whatever his misdeeds were, he was a Muslim (I am sure you vehemently agree with this), and therefore entitled to a Muslim burial. Furthermore, he has been punished for his crime and that is that. Islamic stipulations are clear and are not reliant on the personal preferences of non Muslims or the emotional knee-jerk reactions of ignorant Muslim apologists.

The French Muslims' reaction was wrong from an Islamic point of view.

Why supporting evil? If it were to be some communities is my state, he would be thrown into the forest because he is an animal.

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Re: French Muslims Refuse To Bury Teenager Who Killed Priest by true2god: 7:17am On Aug 01, 2016
Farmerforlife:


The sum total of Islamic teachings are not all summarized in Quran 9:5, 29-30 as you want us to believe. Nor do I believe that you have not been previously told the context on many previous occasions. If you did not comprehend it then, you will not do so now.

Your submission is also way off the topic of the op. The discussion concerns conducting the funeral rites for the dead criminal Muslim. Whatever his misdeeds were, he was a Muslim (I am sure you vehemently agree with this), and therefore entitled to a Muslim burial. Furthermore, he has been punished for his crime and that is that. Islamic stipulations are clear and are not reliant on the personal preferences of non Muslims or the emotional knee-jerk reactions of ignorant Muslim apologists.

The French Muslims' reaction was wrong from an Islamic point of view.
You mean we should scrub Quran 9:5, 29-30 from the Quran?

FYI, the Saudi govt also rejected the body of Osama bin laden hence was thrown into the ocean. Why are Muslims always creating new records?
Re: French Muslims Refuse To Bury Teenager Who Killed Priest by Nobody: 12:57pm On Aug 01, 2016
true2god:
You mean we should scrub Quran 9:5, 29-30 from the Quran?

FYI, the Saudi govt also rejected the body of Osama bin laden hence was thrown into the ocean. Why are Muslims always creating new records?

No, I mean that no ruling can be based EXCLUSIVELY on Quran 9:5, 29-30, without first seeking its application and interpretation through various other verses and supporting hadith.

The Saudi rejection of bin Laden's corpse for burial was more to prevent the event from escalating into an issue of martyrdom by those who supported him. No verdict was ever issued that denied his being a Muslim, and he was still buried with Islamic rites, according to the US government, and we pray that God forgives him his misdeeds, as we pray for any Muslim who engages in sinful behaviour. The only reason to deny a Muslim burial to any individual, is if he/she has been established to hold views that take him/her outside the fold of Islam.

I have no idea what you mean by 'creating new records'.
Re: French Muslims Refuse To Bury Teenager Who Killed Priest by annunaki2(m): 2:30pm On Aug 01, 2016
Farmerforlife:


No, I mean that no ruling can be based EXCLUSIVELY on Quran 9:5, 29-30, without first seeking its application and interpretation through various other verses and supporting hadith.

The Saudi rejection of bin Laden's corpse for burial was more to prevent the event from escalating into an issue of martyrdom by those who supported him. No verdict was ever issued that denied his being a Muslim, and he was still buried with Islamic rites, according to the US government, and we pray that God forgives him his misdeeds, as we pray for any Muslim who engages in sinful behaviour. The only reason to deny a Muslim burial to any individual, is if he/she has been established to hold views that take him/her outside the fold of Islam.

I have no idea what you mean by 'creating new records'.

The bolded above confirms that the terrorist ideology of Osama and other terrorist are views that are not considered to be outside the fold of islam in your opinion. Thanks for confirming my earlier observation about you.

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Re: French Muslims Refuse To Bury Teenager Who Killed Priest by Nobody: 2:59pm On Aug 01, 2016
annunaki2:


The bolded above confirms that the terrorist ideology of Osama and other terrorist are views that are not considered to be outside the fold of islam in your opinion. Thanks for confirming my earlier observation about you.

Please go and learn how to read with comprehension. I do not like to argue with someone who strikes me as not being up to par... I have to teach you primary school English now?

Please go and read what you bolded and try a little harder, to understand the difference between a VIEW being outside the fold of Islam, and a PERSON being outside the fold of Islam. A person can hold an unIslamic view and still be a Muslim, despite his deviant view. If you still dont get that, please mention someone else to explain it to you.

Smh!

sanandreas:

Why supporting evil? If it were to be some communities is my state, he would be thrown into the forest because he is an animal.

There is no support for evil. There is no doubt that what he did was wrong, especially from an Islamic point of view, but he was killed for it, and that is that. He is still entitled to a burial, and he is still human. In Islam, we do not descend to the humiliation or punishment of dead bodies. Nor do we wish hell for any fellow human being, for that will make us allies of Satan, because this is Satan's objective for mankind. We ask God to forgive their infractions, especially those with more heinous crimes, and let the dead be. In Islam, vengeance is God's right, not ours.
Re: French Muslims Refuse To Bury Teenager Who Killed Priest by Plappvillemoi(f): 4:11pm On Aug 01, 2016
Farmerforlife:
This is wrong. A sinful Muslim is entitled to a Muslim burial regardless of the enormity of his sin. This is a collective responsibility on French Muslims. It is not their right to judge him.

For Muslims who may wish to be clearer on rulings concerning issues like this...

https://islamqa.info/en/67576

What are you talking about? You people will deny they dont represent Islam, yet you insist they should be given a muslim burial? That guy body should be eaten by wild birds. He was a monster in human form.

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Re: French Muslims Refuse To Bury Teenager Who Killed Priest by Plappvillemoi(f): 4:15pm On Aug 01, 2016
GrandMufti:
Muslims in the hometown of Adel Kermiche, one of the teenage attackers who slit the throat of an elderly priest in a church in France, have refused to bury him.

The 19-year-old, along with Abdel Malik Petitjean, also 19, took six people hostage at a church in Saint-Étienne-du-Rouvray before killing its 86-year-old priest, Father Jacques Hamel, during a morning mass at around 10am local time on Tuesday.

A nun who was in the church – identified as Sister Danielle – said the priest was forced to the ground before his throat was slit.

Both Kermiche and Petitjean were later shot dead by police.

Following the attack, Isis issued a claim of responsibility calling the pair of attackers “soldiers of the Islamic State”. Isis’ Amaq propaganda agency later released video footage of the French attackers pledging allegiance to the terror group.

Religious leaders in Saint-Étienne-du-Rouvray have refused to prepare or bury Kermiche’s body, saying they do not want to “taint” Islam by having any connection to the jihadist.

Mohammed Karabila, president of the local Muslim cultural association and imam at a local mosque, told French newspaper Le Parisien: “We’re not going to taint Islam with this person.

“We won’t participate in preparing the body or the burial.”

Fellow Muslims in the town, near Rouen in Normandy, supported the decision, Sky News reports.

Khalid El Amrani, a 25-year-old technician, said: “What this young man did is sinful; he is no longer part of our community.”

The mayor’s office will ultimately decide whether or not Kermiche will be buried in the town.

Family friend Jonathan Sacarabany said Kermiche grew up in a housing project in Saint-Étienne-du-Rouvray.

Mr Sacarabany said the jihadist was originally born in Algeria and had a sister who is a doctor in Rouen and a brother. Their mother is a professor.

The French government has come under increasing criticism for failing to prevent atrocities, including the attack in Normandy.

Security services were tipped off that Petitjean was planning an attack but police were reportedly unable to identify him from photos and video footage showing him declaring allegiance to the so-called Islamic State.

He was already on country’s “fiche S” terror watchlist for attempting to travel to Syria in June but slipped through the net to re-enter France after being stopped by Turkish authorities.

Kermiche was also known to security services and was wearing an electronic surveillance tag while on bail as he awaited trial for membership of a terror organisation at the time.

The attack came less than a than a fortnight after the Nice attack, when a Tunisian man killed 84 people and injured 300 more when he ploughed a lorry into crowds celebrating Bastille Day.



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/normandy-church-attack-muslim-community-refuse-to-bury-french-priest-killer-adel-kermiche-a7164301.html

This doesnt change the standing facts. Muslims communities think they can deceive us by rejecting his body. They just want to prove they dont support terrorism. The truth stands. Islam supports the action of this teens. Period!!!

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Re: French Muslims Refuse To Bury Teenager Who Killed Priest by Plappvillemoi(f): 4:17pm On Aug 01, 2016
Farmerforlife:


No, I mean that no ruling can be based EXCLUSIVELY on Quran 9:5, 29-30, without first seeking its application and interpretation through various other verses and supporting hadith.

The Saudi rejection of bin Laden's corpse for burial was more to prevent the event from escalating into an issue of martyrdom by those who supported him. No verdict was ever issued that denied his being a Muslim, and he was still buried with Islamic rites, according to the US government, and we pray that God forgives him his misdeeds, as we pray for any Muslim who engages in sinful behaviour. The only reason to deny a Muslim burial to any individual, is if he/she has been established to hold views that take him/her outside the fold of Islam.

I have no idea what you mean by 'creating new records'.

Are serious?? shocked shocked
Re: French Muslims Refuse To Bury Teenager Who Killed Priest by Nobody: 6:14pm On Aug 01, 2016
Plappvillemoi:


Are serious?? shocked shocked

Yes, the dead should be respected. This is not an issue for emotions. Islam does permit the concession that Muslim criminal elements may be denied burial by Muslim rulers or leading figures, so as not to give them undue honour or status. But it does not accept that the person should be denied an Islamic burial entirely. The body should still be washed and buried appropriately. Punishment after death is left to God, not to us. There is no justice or profit in mutiliating dead bodies, or 'throwing them to animals' as some Christian gentlemen are suggesting. As to his being Muslim, there is no denying that. That he holds criminal deviant views contrary to Islamic laws does not make him a non Muslim anymore than being a chronic drunkard or a serial killer.

Plappvillemoi:

This doesnt change the standing facts. Muslims communities think they can deceive us by rejecting his body. They just want to prove they dont support terrorism. The truth stands. Islam supports the action of this teens. Period!!!

You are of course, entitled to your opinion. However, your assertions are not standing facts. If you want to know about real standing facts...

http://abuaminaelias.com/protection-of-civilian-non-combatants-in-islam/

http://www.islamicsupremecouncil.org/understanding-islam/legal-rulings/21-jihad-classical-islamic-perspective.html?start=14

https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/08/01/the-life-of-priests-rabbis-and-monks-are-inviolable/

These are direct hadith from the prophet (ﷺ) that prohibit the killing of non combatants, with individual reference to clergymen in churches. So what he did is against the directive of the prophet Muhammad (ﷺ), and therefore a sin and a crime. Muslims cannot support the actions of a sinner or a criminal.

HomoSapiien:

Terrorist. This further confirms Islam to be a religion of terror that it is

Please watch your language. If you cannot be civil, then dont interact with humans. I have no time for rude teenagers.
Re: French Muslims Refuse To Bury Teenager Who Killed Priest by HajimeSaito(m): 2:12pm On Aug 14, 2017
Farmerforlife:


Yes, the dead should be respected. This is not an issue for emotions. Islam does permit the concession that Muslim criminal elements may be denied burial by Muslim rulers or leading figures, so as not to give them undue honour or status. But it does not accept that the person should be denied an Islamic burial entirely. The body should still be washed and buried appropriately. Punishment after death is left to God, not to us. There is no justice or profit in mutiliating dead bodies, or 'throwing them to animals' as some Christian gentlemen are suggesting. As to his being Muslim, there is no denying that. That he holds criminal deviant views contrary to Islamic laws does not make him a non Muslim anymore than being a chronic drunkard or a serial killer.



You are of course, entitled to your opinion. However, your assertions are not standing facts. If you want to know about real standing facts...

http://abuaminaelias.com/protection-of-civilian-non-combatants-in-islam/

http://www.islamicsupremecouncil.org/understanding-islam/legal-rulings/21-jihad-classical-islamic-perspective.html?start=14

https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/08/01/the-life-of-priests-rabbis-and-monks-are-inviolable/

These are direct hadith from the prophet (ﷺ) that prohibit the killing of non combatants, with individual reference to clergymen in churches. So what he did is against the directive of the prophet Muhammad (ﷺ), and therefore a sin and a crime. Muslims cannot support the actions of a sinner or a criminal.



Please watch your language. If you cannot be civil, then dont interact with humans. I have no time for rude teenagers.


Wait a minute, do you mean that the unholy fake "prophet " Sex Award Winner ( S.A.W ) never approved the slaying of infidels? I thought that we infidels are lower than dirt and we should be murdered with impunity for the offence of Shirk. This poor Caatholic priest is EXACTLY the sort of person that "prophet " M for MUMU told his idiotic followers to kill. The man was truly an illiterate buffoon if he was always sending mixed messages to his already confused followers.

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