donnffd:
I cant say for certain if Abortion is moral or not, it would all depend on the situation but i am certain I stand for women being given the right over their own bodies.

When the issue of abortion arises, it becomes very sensitive and people lean towards different views, but i believe that an abortion could not only be carried out but must be carried out when it is absolutely necessary. Some women can have complications in child-bearing costing them their lives

, some girls still in school are victims of rape and having that child would be a dream-destroyer.

Now you might say, every embryo has a potential of becoming a human-being, i agree, it has the potential but it is not yet a human(i.e embryo that are not yet fully developed).

It doesnt know anything, it cannot feel pain or joy, but the mother can, so i feel the mother's safety and well-being should be put first and if that means terminating a not-yet formed human, then so be it.

cc Johnydon22
NB: I dont condone reckless abortion, only necessary ones.

johnydon22:

I know this can be a difficult position to be in but i do think that we humans tend to develop an unbound love for offspring no matter how it comes about, Children are like money, always welcome even if it comes in a dirty sack.

Even though i do agree this example is delicate and there is compelling drive to get rid of the feotus, i also implore patience and perserverence, something beautiful may yet come out of the ugly situation after all.

A child is beautiful and deserves love..

donnffd:


Yes, we do agree on alot of things, i was originally of the opinion that you dont approve abortion no matter the situation. So let us narrow it down to the rape victim scenerio.

This is difficult and the choice ultimately falls back to the victim, but i would stand beside and support a victim who chooses to abort, why?

Well, let start with what you said about a foetus being a human, i disagree, i dont claim to be an expert on it but i do know that at some stage, a human foetus is no different from a fish foetus, at a stage it still has gills, tails and many features from our evolutionary past. Can it really be called a human?, i doubt it. Now you might ask, so at what point does it become a human?, i dont know and i am sure there is no universal answer,but if i was to bet, i would go for the time the brain has formed well enough to register pain.

Which brings me to my second point, personhood. Who is a person?, i dont think people are given right to live just because they are humans(hitler was a human, serial killers are humans), i think they are given right to live because they are persons(again, my opinion).
Whats the difference?, Well, a one month old baby is as much a human as a 32 year old, but not as much a person. The 32 year old has a complex array of emotions, knowledge, relationships, goals and beliefs that surpasses that of a one month old and would gladly give his or her life to save that baby from harm, thats personhood.

If we go further back into the development of a foetus, we realize that its not much of a person as the victim who was raped and as goals, and plans for the future. Like i said earlier, the sole choice would rest on the hypothetical victim, but if she decides not to keep it, she would be justified because first and formost, she is far more of a person than a 2week foetus and her future should be considered first.

Lastly, many fertilized eggs fails to get implanted on the womb wall!, Many women naturally abort more times than they know it, but noone notices, so why should a victim of rape not be allowed to choose how she wants her future to be shaped just because she has a foetus growing in her?!.

nwamehn:



@ op, I think Johnydon22 meant that the foetus is a living being but not necessarily a human. If u happen to watch a video or documentary of what happens in the womb of a woman during abortion, then u will realise that the foetus itself has life and the abortion process involves brutally taking life off the living being. I know it's very hard to encourage the rape victim to keep the baby but I see it as a better alternative than taking a life, unless the victim's life is also at risk.

donnffd:


Yes, we do agree on alot of things, i was originally of the opinion that you dont approve abortion no matter the situation. So let us narrow it down to the rape victim scenerio.

This is difficult and the choice ultimately falls back to the victim, but i would stand beside and support a victim who chooses to abort, why?

Well, let start with what you said about a foetus being a human, i disagree, i dont claim to be an expert on it but i do know that at some stage, a human foetus is no different from a fish foetus, at a stage it still has gills, tails and many features from our evolutionary past. Can it really be called a human?, i doubt it. Now you might ask, so at what point does it become a human?, i dont know and i am sure there is no universal answer,but if i was to bet, i would go for the time the brain has formed well enough to register pain.

Which brings me to my second point, personhood. Who is a person?, i dont think people are given right to live just because they are humans(hitler was a human, serial killers are humans), i think they are given right to live because they are persons(again, my opinion).
Whats the difference?, Well, a one month old baby is as much a human as a 32 year old, but not as much a person. The 32 year old has a complex array of emotions, knowledge, relationships, goals and beliefs that surpasses that of a one month old and would gladly give his or her life to save that baby from harm, thats personhood.


If we go further back into the development of a foetus, we realize that its not much of a person as the victim who was raped and as goals, and plans for the future. Like i said earlier, the sole choice would rest on the hypothetical victim, but if she decides not to keep it, she would be justified because first and formost, she is far more of a person than a 2week foetus and her future should be considered first.

Lastly, many fertilized eggs fails to get implanted on the womb wall!, Many women naturally abort more times than they know it, but noone notices

so why should a victim of rape not be allowed to choose how she wants her future to be shaped just because she has a foetus growing in her?!.

shadeyinka:
There is a universal rule we must apply here..and that is the right to life.

So, who is alive?

Is being alive synonymous to being able to do what adults do? Even though a day old child cannot speak, run, fight...etc. He is regarded as a human being with rights.

A friend of mine was booked to do a caesarian op for her pregnancy because of some complications well before her EDD. When can we say that the foetus taken out is a human being? Must a baby be born before it is regarded as human?

When does a foetus develop pain receptors? If a foetus doesn't have a developed mouth to scream and muscles to squirm would that be enough evidence to conclude that it is not living?

When a man is in coma but he can still breath, don't we still consider him as living and human? Spontaneous abortions do take place just as spontaneous death in grown ups?


So, when really does a foetus transit from a collection of cells to human?

Why is murder evil and immoral? Because it Denys forcefully the potential of an individual. To this end, ABORTION is murder.

Abortion may be permitted if the life of the mother is at stake...other than that, the potential of that human being we call foetus is at stake.

shadeyinka:
There is a universal rule we must apply here..and that is the right to life.

So, who is alive?

Is being alive synonymous to being able to do what adults do? Even though a day old child cannot speak, run, fight...etc. He is regarded as a human being with rights.

A friend of mine was booked to do a caesarian op for her pregnancy because of some complications well before her EDD. When can we say that the foetus taken out is a human being? Must a baby be born before it is regarded as human?

When does a foetus develop pain receptors? If a foetus doesn't have a developed mouth to scream and muscles to squirm would that be enough evidence to conclude that it is not living?

When a man is in coma but he can still breath, don't we still consider him as living and human? Spontaneous abortions do take place just as spontaneous death in grown ups?

So, when really does a foetus transit from a collection of cells to human?

Why is murder evil and immoral? Because it Denys forcefully the potential of an individual. To this end, ABORTION is murder.

Abortion may be permitted if the life of the mother is at stake...other than that, the potential of that human being we call foetus is at stake.

johnydon22:


I wouldn't even though i recognize it is a tough choice for her to make.

Even as a fully functional human you still have tails only seating on it, My argument is based on the feotus being a functional system of cells, an off spring of humans and at that i reserve a right for them to live.

I do agree this to be a delicate matter and it's understandable if the mother chooses to abort the feotus at this juncture being a result of a forceful act, but i also do believe that every baby deserves as much chance to live like every other.

She still has a future even the baby you may say different from the original plan but we all know the eventuality of achieving a desired goal is still under the confines of chance.

This is my philosophy, this is my belief - thus future is uncertain, that you'd live tomorrow is still even under heavy chance, so i believe in living in the moment which is directly why i ask for patience and perserverence on the part of such 'ill fated unready mothers".

something beautiful may yet come from it, that baby may still be the beacon that lights her future.

Nature kills us everyday, why then do we complain when a human kills another - because this time a mind is involved, a decision was taken.

So you would not react same way when a land slide occurs and a boulder smashes someone to death AND when a boulder was pushed deliberately by someone else to smash another to death.

I do believe she has every right to and by all means do - my sentiments are from the direct tilt of my emotional moral principles.

Helping others to survive as long as it does not directly endanger your own life

kevoh:
Abortion is never a wise option except in cases where the pregnancy poses as life threatening to the mother.