ValentineMary:

This is what u said

I have noticed that u are not always consistent in argument.

[b]The context of the word Jealous as God said He is a Jealous God means to be fiercely protective of one's rights or possessions.. It does not mean He is refering to another diety. He is refering to His creation whom have chosen to serve Him. I think you need to check the meaning of the word JEALOUS....Oh wait let me post it here for you


jealous
ˈdʒɛləs/
adjective
adjective: jealous

feeling or showing an envious resentment of someone or their achievements, possessions, or perceived advantages.
"she was always jealous of me"
synonyms: envious, covetous, desirous; More
resentful, grudging, begrudging;
jaundiced, bitter, malicious, spiteful;
green with envy, green, green-eyed;
greedy, selfish, acquisitive;
formalemulous
"he was jealous of his brother's popularity"
antonyms: admiring, proud
feeling or showing a resentful suspicion that one's partner is attracted to or involved with someone else.
"a jealous husband"
synonyms: suspicious, distrustful, mistrustful, doubting, insecure, anxious; More
apprehensive of rivals, possessive, proprietorial, overprotective, clinging, controlling, dominating
"a jealous lover"
antonyms: trusting, understanding
fiercely protective of one's rights or possessions.
"the men were proud of their achievements and jealous of their independence"
synonyms: protective, defensive, vigilant, watchful, heedful, mindful, careful, solicitous, attentive
"they are very jealous of their rights"

like i said, stop jumping the gun![/b]

otemanuduno:


All gods are the children of ALMIGHTY GOD whose name in Latin is DOMINO REVERAD.
check here to know more about ALMIGHTY GOD who does not demand worship but the use of individual brains to do good to humanities and making findings. https://www.nairaland.com/2938907/doctrine-ufos

ValentineMary:


I am sure anyone reading this would be certain that u ain't making much sense.

eph12:

Lol. I don't expect it to make sense to an atheist as I also don't expect you to make sense to me. Just trying to let you know so you don't bring up weak arguments next time and be feeling like you're making sense.

naijadeyhia:


Are you ok? Just because i made that bold does not mean i was refering to it. Why are you so desperate to be right when you are not even a Christian? I know what i said and what you posted up there wasnt it. Can you reconcile that with my first definition for Jealousy?

I have noticed that you lie just to win arguments just as you are doing here.

Let me quote what i said again because you love lying just to win an argument




Go back to where i posted this original quote and notice that i made it bold but made some words bigger and the bigger words are my focus because they are Synonyms. I hope you know what a Synonym is. Learn to be truthful and dont be so desperate to be right that you would lie to achieve that.

ValentineMary:


This is what u said right?

feeling or showing an envious resentment of
someone or their achievements, possessions,
or perceived advantages.
"she was always jealous of me"
synonyms: envious, covetous, desirous; More
resentful, grudging, begrudging;
jaundiced, bitter, malicious, spiteful;
green with envy, green, green-eyed;
greedy, selfish, acquisitive;
formalemulous
"he was jealous of his brother's popularity"
antonyms: admiring, proud
feeling or showing a resentful suspicion that
one's partner is attracted to or involved with
someone else.
"a jealous husband"
synonyms: suspicious, distrustful, mistrustful,
doubting, insecure, anxious; More
apprehensive of rivals, possessive,
proprietorial, overprotective, clinging,
controlling, dominating
"a jealous lover"
antonyms: trusting, understanding
fiercely protective of one's rights or
possessions.
"the men were proud of their achievements
and jealous of their independence"
synonyms: protective, defensive, vigilant,
watchful, heedful, mindful, careful, solicitous,
attentive
"they are very jealous of their rights"


Take a look at the bold text. Is that not the part I quoted earlier? Why do u xtians lie a lot later u go dey claim morality.

feeling or showing an envious resentment of
someone or their achievements, possessions,
or perceived advantages.
"she was always jealous of me"
synonyms: envious, covetous, desirous; More
resentful, grudging, begrudging;
jaundiced, bitter, malicious, spiteful;
green with envy, green, green-eyed;
greedy, selfish, acquisitive;
formalemulous
"he was jealous of his brother's popularity"
antonyms: admiring, proud
feeling or showing a resentful suspicion that
one's partner is attracted to or involved with
someone else.
"a jealous husband"
synonyms: suspicious, distrustful, mistrustful,
doubting, insecure, anxious; More
apprehensive of rivals, possessive,
proprietorial, overprotective, clinging,
controlling, dominating
"a jealous lover"
antonyms: trusting, understanding
fiercely protective of one's rights or
possessions.
"the men were proud of their achievements
and jealous of their independence"
[size=20pt]synonyms: protective, defensive, vigilant,
watchful, heedful, mindful, careful, solicitous,
attentive
"they are very jealous of their rights"

naijadeyhia:


Nobody is talking about heaven or hell. We are reasoning together so try not to jump the gun

PastorAIO:


The presumption is that your morality is shaped by the carrot and stick of Heaven and Hell. Is this untrue?

engrchykae:
humans only do what is right when they something to be afraid,never appeal to a man's gratitude but to his selfish interest.
my point is humans would be worse than what is obtainable today without religion especially Christianity,Buddhism,Hinduism,
even though these religions preach peace and non-violence and also enjoys a cult following,yet we have crimes and wickedness going on,
u will not want to imagine what I will turn to if am sure there is no God,

naijadeyhia:


Totality untrue. Our Morality is shaped in Love and not fear or favour.

PastorAIO:


You are supposed to speak only for yourself, otherwise I can point to dozens of others who evidently have their moral opinions shaped by the threats of hell and promise of heaven.

For example the dozens upon dozens of posts here in NL that are based on an argument called Pascal's Wager. That alone is an indictment of your 'our morality' that you're bearing on your chest.

naijadeyhia:


I also believe that your opinion is meant for yourself so you should speak for yourself in it. I can also point at millions of Believers and not Dozens of them whose worship of God is based on Love and nothing else....Note these millions and millions of believers are in the real world and not Nairaland. Besides even here on Nairaland i can also show you hundreds of same.

Are you one of those whose moral opinion is shaped by the fear of hell or the reward of heaven?

naijadeyhia:


I also believe that your opinion is meant for yourself so you should speak for yourself in it. I can also point at millions of Believers and not Dozens of them whose worship of God is based on Love and nothing else....Note these millions and millions of believers are in the real world and not Nairaland. Besides even here on Nairaland i can also show you hundreds of same.

Are you one of those whose moral opinion is shaped by the fear of hell or the reward of heaven?

Ranchhoddas:
A duel between you too would be fun to watch. You are both ''extremists'' on opposite sides of the divide. I am almost salivating at the thought. The fact that you seem to accept evolution would make it more interesting... Cloudgoddess what sayeth ye??

PastorAIO:


You sure have super powers. I once believed that only God could see into the hearts of men, but it seems that you too can see the motivations for which people worship God.

Neither my moral opinion nor my religion is based on fear of hell or reward of heaven.

I do believe that there are consequences to my actions and that makes me cautious whenever I deliberate on what to do next in my life.
However I do not recall anywhere where I've spoken plurally as if for a group by saying something like 'Our Morality'. I've only ever spoken for myself so I don't quite get what you mean by telling me to speak for myself.

Please can you point to a couple of these millions of christians whose worship of God you can demonstrate is based on Love? Obviously I'd require them to be a public figure or someone on NL.

cloudgoddess:

Explain why Christians use Pascals Wager as an argument so frequently, if hell is not a motivator for them.

malvisguy212:
what about politics that have cause more harm ? Should we abandon it or find the right formula ?

naijadeyhia:


Do you honestly think you deserve this honour?

I do know where your discussion is headed as always "they" seek proof.

You are already making demands which is quite uncanny to me so Sorry i will not go down that route with you.

Suffice to say that you know what you know while i know what i know. Lets keep it that way shall we?

Discussing spiritual things with a carnal minded man is futile so i beg to decline. Thanks for your time.

cloudgoddess:
I often see the argument posed by theists, and some atheists, that humanity somehow requires religion to keep from imploding on itself, and taking away religion would lead to widespread chaos and eventually doomsday.

I tend to strongly disagree.

This is a list of ways I think humanity could very likely be better off without religion now (specifically the Abrahamic religions and others with similar doctrines), supported by evidence I've come across.

Without religion:
1. Humanity could get along better. Tribalism is the blanket term to describe the innate human tendency to form alliances and groups against one another. More and more research is showing that tribalism can be overcome, and peace amongst people of different groups can be achieved, the more people are able to see a like-ness in one another. A "you are human just like me, I accept you, I feel comfortable around you".

neocortex:


I read the post, your attempt to differentiate tribalism from its negative effects
is your limited understanding of what tribalism is.

Let me help you with some definitions.

1. Tribalism : the state or fact of being organized in a tribe or tribes.
2. Tribalism : the behaviour and attitudes that stem from strong loyalty to one's own tribe or social group.

3. Tribalism : loyalty to a tribe or other social group especially when combined with strong negative feelings
for people outside the group.

I believe you are only aware of definition number one, that is why you think tribalism is
different from tribal discrimination. Tribalism has several meanings like other english words,
hence there is no point using only one meaning to explain the phenomenon.

dblackninja:


My kind sir...You're still linking tribalism to only ethnicity...that is where you got it all wrong..
Cloudgoddess doesn't need any clarifications, neither does majority of Nigerians need it like you said.
I will like you to study more & correct yourself.. don't wanna say much though..

Once again you [or + your friend] are alone with your opinion.

oaroloye:


THAT IS NOT TRUE, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THE SOVIET UNION GOT RID OF RELIGION.

Millions of Soviets were killed by Soviets.

EyeHateGod:

Where was Ur God when 60million people where killed??

am0sn0nyu:


The point I am making is that there's nothing evil or wrong with TRIBALISM (identifying with one's own tribe like every other tribes throughout the world does but we should all frown on tribal discrimination/segregation. Hope you now get my point.

Yeah I get your point..that's why I was surprised that your alter ego went to create a 2-page post trying to differentiate the words.

Like I said before you're only linking tribalism to ethnicity (tribes) without noting what the noun (-ism) , which is usually associated with belief & behaviour, is doing at the end of that adjective "tribal".

Can you equally say that there's nothing wrong with racism but race discrimination

I don't wanna say much so I'll instead refer you to Google, merriam webster dictionary , Oxford ald and all dictionaries in the world..

My brother before you start correcting & teaching the "majority of Nigerians", try to get your facts right.

cloudgoddess:
I often see the argument posed by theists, and some atheists, that humanity somehow requires religion to keep from imploding on itself, and taking away religion would lead to widespread chaos and eventually doomsday.

I tend to strongly disagree.

This is a list of ways I think humanity could very likely be better off without religion now (specifically the Abrahamic religions and others with similar doctrines), supported by evidence I've come across.

Without religion:
1. Humanity could get along better. Tribalism is the blanket term to describe the innate human tendency to form alliances and groups against one another. More and more research is showing that tribalism can be overcome, and peace amongst people of different groups can be achieved, the more people are able to see a like-ness in one another. A "you are human just like me, I accept you, I feel comfortable around you".

Religion is a direct obstacle to achieving this like-ness, and it shouldn't be hard to imagine why. Religion teaches millions of people, usually via childhood indoctrination (brainwashing), that because the so-called "creator of the entire universe" said so, they are better, more "holy", more valuable, more moral than other groups of people. This is a perfect recipe for unnecessary tribalistic tendencies. And we see this type of religious tribalism unfolding all over the world, often violently.

Don't get me wrong, tribalism can and does exist in many other forms (racism, imperialism, even people with different tastes in music can form alliances based on that). But what sets religion apart is the fact that it rests upon a firm foundation of fear (of hell), and shielded from criticism in a way other forms of tribalism aren't, making it much harder to overcome.

2. Humanity could better understand the world & universe around us. Since the dawn of scientific & empirical thought, religion has been in direct opposition to a vast amount of scientific progress. No honest person can deny this. When Galileo discovered the earth revolved around the sun and not the other way around, the church wanted him killed because it contradicted the picture the gospels painted of our place in the world. The same goes for the anti-evolution nonsense that still goes on today. People are actively against the foundational theory uniting all biology, for no other reason than that it contradicts the religion they were taught.

Religious indoctrination installs cognitive biases in peoples' minds, causing strong feelings of resistance, anger, hostility and paranoia once they are confronted with certain scientific (& sometimes philosophical) topics that call into question the religious worldview they were indoctrinated with. The anti-intellectual, anti-science mindset that religion births is causing billions of people across the globe to remain centuries behind on a huge chunk of human knowledge. Thus, impeding the scientific & intellectual progress of humanity as a whole.

According to surveys, the countries with the lowest populations of religious people have the highest rates of quality education. It's not always accurate to imply causation from correlation, and the relationship might flow both ways, but it's quite obvious that the more religious someone is, the more unwelcoming of science they're likely to be.

3. Humanity could understand ourselves better. It is true that humans have innate biological insticts that drive much of our behavior. These insticts, as science continues to find, aren't magical but evolved. They helped our species survive, just like every other animals' insticts help it survive. Rather than helping us understand and best navigate our human instincts (like our emotional reactions & sexuality), religion demonizes and mystifies them. It manufactures a ridiculous amount of shame around simply being human.

Religion also, in it's ignorance, has stamped mental disorders with labels like "spiritual invasion" or "demonic posession". Instead of people getting the psychiatric help they need, people are sent to exorcists and other phony religious leaders for "deliverance". Not only does this put lives & minds in danger, but it generates an unnecessary sense of fear and panic around treatable medical conditions, causing people to fundamentally misunderstand their own mental health.

4. Humanity could be more proactive & prosperous. Rather than relying on prayer, which is essentially talking to yourself, people could be more likely to take action towards solving their problems if religion were not a factor in their lives. Again, we see that the most prospering and forward-moving countries have smaller percentages of people who think religiously. Because their societies are based in reason and evidence-based thinking, they are quicker to find workable solutions to economic, political, health, and other issues. Much of the law in the developed world is based on our current understanding of these issues according to research. NOT religious books, which were written by people 2,000 years ago who were quite ignorant in these areas.

5. Humanity could be happier. The biggest reason of all that people give for why people need religion, is that it gives them comfort and hope. When going through a rough time, praying helps people cope. When someone dies, the promise that you'll see them again is soothing. Although I don't deny that religion can serve as an emotional bandaid, or even a vessel for truly healing practices (ex. "giving your troubles up to god" could have the same cognitive effect as "accepting what you can't control and doing your best" ), it is NOT, imo, the only way, let alone the best way, for us to achieve happiness and peace.

As I've mentioned in previous posts, the areas of Neuroscience and Psychology are making some incredible discoveries as of late, uncovering long-awaited answers to our mysterious psyches and how to navigate them. Recent studies show that happiness, contentment, and compassion for onesself and others can be learned & practiced as skills; healing from grief, sorrow, and trauma can be achieved through evidence based psychiatric techniques (including self-directed therapies); and life's obstacles can be surmounted by tapping into proven resources (like a nurturing social environment).

In other words, very good answers to how to be happier, how to get over struggles, how to find peace, are out there. In this day and age, the internet, libraries and bookstores are swarming with this information. With some research into these resources, it should become clear that religion has outlived it's usefulness in this area as well.

So, to conclude, I think that humanity could not only survive without organized religion like the Abrahamic faiths, we could thrive. The children who are raised without the religion across the globe, in areas like the Netherlands, Japan, the Czech Republic, and Iceland, yet become healthy, happy, and functioning members of their societies, are evidence of this. At this point I feel like humanity is clutching on to religion like a child to it's stuffed animal. We don't need it anymore, we just think we do.

EyeHateGod:

Where was Ur God when 60million people where killed??

oaroloye:



The Soviets agreed to reject Yahshua's Teachings long before the Communistic Takeover. Therefore, when their leaders rewarded their devotion with treachery, they had no contact with God.

felixomor:


He was keeping to His word. And that doesnt change the fact that u killed the 60 million and many more

am0sn0nyu:


The point I am making is that there's nothing evil or wrong with TRIBALISM (identifying with one's own tribe like every other tribes throughout the world does but we should all frown on tribal discrimination/segregation. Hope you now get my point.

EyeHateGod:

Which word? Yes 60 million people where killed by Mao not me But what was Ur omnipresent God Doing?? Watching them get killed? Or he Couldn't even do anything cause he can't because he doesn't exist??