We have herbalist performing surgeries in some parts of the country right now. They even employ nurses and pay them more than qualified doctors pay sef. We have people who can't even spell the words 'anatomy' , 'physiology' or 'Biochemistry' opening shops and admitting people, giving injections and doing some minor surgeries and the people don't complain.
Doctors make mistakes all over the world. If not, Stella Obasanjo would still be alive. If not, Joan Rivers of fashion police would still be alive. If not, Michael Jackson would not have died in the care of Dr. Conrad Murray in 2009. This is not a Nigerian doctor thing.
If at all there is anybody to be blamed for most avoidable deaths in the Nigerian health system, it's the government and it's health administrators, not usually practising clinicians.
DON'T SHADE/BLAME NIGERIAN DOCTORS ON THIS STELLA ODUAH's SON's DEATH.
A single event like this shouldn't cast doubt on thousands of responsible hard working Others.
Every day, Nigerian doctors are risking their lives to safe the lives of others. Some even died during the Ebola and lassa fever outbreaks while trying to save Nigeria. No appreciation by the people?







Rest on Maxwell.....

Low standard everywhere

Sibrah:
Low standard everywhere

A single event like this shouldn't cast doubt on thousands of responsible hard working Ones.
See the comments online about Nigerian doctors.

drsugar:


A single event like this shouldn't cast doubt on thousands of responsible hard working Ones.
See the comments online about Nigerian doctors.

You can't blame us, it happens like all the time, Yes the greater blame should go to the Government, but some health workers...

this kind of cases are why Nigerian government official n rich mehn who can afford it engage in foreign medical tourism

This is what I hate most with Nigerian Doctors, defending themselves. Truth is that I have lost count of error deaths from our hospitals that I do not trust them again. Most of the time I get 2nd and 3rd opinions no matter how urgent the health issues are.
A doctor owes his patient a fiduciary responsiblity that he is knowledgeable for the skills expected of him.
The Doctor Who made this prescription must be held accountable.
The OP delibrately did not mention here that the Doctors in Micheal Jackson and Stella Obasanjo both had prison terms served.and their practicing licences ceased.

bullseye90:
this kind of cases are why Nigerian government official n rich mehn who can afford it engage in foreign medical tourism

It's simply because they don't have insight. I was at National hospital Abuja when a senator came for a dental treatment there and nothing happened to him afterwards. People die abroad too during medical procedures / treatments.
The main problem is our system not clinicians. We get better doctor brains here pass most of those abroad sef but the system is messed up.

drsugar:


We have herbalist performing surgeries in some parts of the country right now. They even employ nurses and pay them more than qualified doctors pay sef. We have people who can't even spell the words 'anatomy' , 'physiology' or 'Biochemistry' opening shops and admitting people, giving injections and doing some minor surgeries and the people don't complain.
Doctors make mistakes all over the world. If not, Stella Obasanjo would still be alive. If not, Joan Rivers of fashion police would still be alive. If not, Michael Jackson would not have died in the care of Dr. Conrad Murray in 2009. This is not a Nigerian doctor thing.
If at all there is anybody to be blamed for most avoidable deaths in the Nigerian health system, it's the government and it's health administrators, not usually practising clinicians.
DON'T SHADE/BLAME NIGERIAN DOCTORS ON THIS STELLA ODUAH's SON's DEATH.
A single event like this shouldn't cast doubt on thousands of responsible hard working Others.
Every day, Nigerian doctors are risking their lives to safe the lives of others. Some even died during the Ebola and lassa fever outbreaks while trying to save Nigeria. No appreciation by the people?







Rest on Maxwell.....

Next time face your front, leave nurses outta your mistakes and squabbles. Carry your cross abeg.

Lifestone:

The Doctor Who made this prescription must be held accountable.
The OP delibrately did not mention here that the Doctors in Micheal Jackson and Stella Obasanjo both had prison terms served.and their practicing licences ceased.

Agreed. But those isolated events have not translated into making blank statements like 'American doctors are not competent' 'Spanish doctors are dangerous' 'American doctors are killers'
I'm not justifying this isolated case. Just saying we should stop saying 'Nigerian doctors are.....(negatives)' For this single case, there are thousands of other sound, intelligent and well talented Nigerian doctors who know what they are doing.
The doctor or pharmacist involved should be sanctioned if found guilty, no doubt.

TheArchangel:
Next time face your front, leave nurses outta your mistakes and squabbles. Carry your cross abeg.

We are one nao.

Nigerians can kiss ass so much?.. With due respect to the Dead... Why the Noise now? Cos some rich woman's son died?... How many of you spoke out when the little girl passed on the other day? Oh! Sorry she is from a poor home... Yes. No death is greater than the other. It's just so sad that this young man's death is generating so much heat, I bet the practitioners who are responsible either directly, consciously or not are in Trouble. Just because it's MADAM'S son. May God help us

drsugar:


Agreed. But those isolated events have not translated into making blank statements like 'American doctors are not competent' 'Spanish doctors are dangerous' 'American doctors are killers'
I'm not justifying this isolated case. Just saying we should stop saying 'Nigerian doctors are.....(negatives)' For this single case, there are thousands of other sound, intelligent and well talented Nigerian doctors who know what they are doing.
The doctor or pharmacist involved should be sanctioned if found guilty, no doubt.

The concern here is that the incompetent ones have become the majority while the good ones are becoming the exception.
Unfortunately medical colleagues manipulate investigations and most of these bad eggs are retained. Can't remember last time a guilty medical doctor serves a prison term

The OP has spoken and acted like a typical Nigerian Doctor. .as usual without a proper history or fact check of the case he has gone ahead to give a verdict believing it must have been a herbalist,fake doctor or an overzealous nurse that must have caused the young man's death .. most Nigerian Dr's never ask of a person's medical history or even run status checks to know their patient better ..many Nigerian doctors never take contra-indication warnings serious and don't even bother looking it up ..My dad almost lost his life Once when a Dr prescribed him ibuprofen when he was on admission, minutes later he went into involuntary asphyxia and had to be put on oxygen , his condition continued to worsen in the presence of many Dr's including a consultant, it got so bad the called a priest in to read him his last rites ,at this point I looked at the contra indication and found out Ibuprofen was contraindicated from known asthmatics and I called the Dr's attention to it and that was how his life was saved ..who gives a known asthmatic ibuprofen especially when you have his detailed history. .if I wasn't there that day that's how he would have died for nothing and the Dr's will claim something else .

drsugar:


We are one nao.

Naa. Na now you remember say we be one, huh, after throwing shades on the nurses.
Get inside and park well biko.

DrSugar stop this nonsense. The Nigerian system is bad but for some reasons the nurses have to be responsible for the death of the patients here. Bravo!. You can only tell that to a dumbo.

You see, among all health providers, the doctors have the largest number of incompetent people. You know why, they have the largest curriculum within a period which could have been better elongated.

The poor educational system affects everyone but affects medical students more and because medical students need more than the other health professionals.

I remember working with a house officer who couldn't even read an X-ray report and thus dunce majors in Orthopedics for that matter. I've sat down to watch resident medical doctors diagnose subluxation for dislocation even with an evident X-ray report saying otherwise.

Don't try to shade nurses here. I'm an Orthopedic Prosthetist before you conclude I'm a nurse. We have a larger number of dumb medical doctors than every other field. Medicine is broad and should be taught with best facility.

bullseye90:
this kind of cases are why Nigerian government official n rich mehn who can afford it engage in foreign medical tourism

OP, already put it there, why did Joan Rivers and Michael Jackson die?



BTW, the hospital in question if I can guess right is the Nizamiye Turkish Hospital in Idu industrial layout..... It's not a run off the mill private hospital, looking at the complex, one would not entertain any doubt that the people who go for treatment there have to literally and figuratively be smelling of money...

Unless it's for a specialized /pre existing condition, they probably wouldn't get better elsewhere....


One indubitible fact however remains, when it's one's time to go, ain't nothing can stop it.

Simple bruise could develop complications and lead to sepsis and if it's yet time, massive coronary failure + head trauma+ ICU stay, the person will survive and still live a productive and full life..

Lifestone:
This is what I hate most with Nigerian Doctors, defending themselves. Truth is that I have lost count of error deaths from our hospitals that I do not trust them again. Most of the time I get 2nd and 3rd opinions no matter how urgent the health issues are.
A doctor owes his patient a fiduciary responsiblity that he is knowledgeable for the skills expected of him.
The Doctor Who made this prescription must be held accountable.
The OP delibrately did not mention here that the Doctors in Micheal Jackson and Stella Obasanjo both had prison terms served.and their practicing licences ceased.

Nigerian doctors are the worst hit by the poor educational system. Imagine a situation where an Orthopedic Doctor doesn't know how to diagnose Low-limb inequality you begin to wonder how such a person scaled through.

But we don't need go far to get it. Our educational system. Very poor. If this poverty in education is evident in all sectors wouldn't it be logical to draw it's greater and worse effect in the most difficult of courses? That's it. There are a lot of dumb people studying medicine in Nigerian and doctors.

drsugar:


A single event like this shouldn't cast doubt on thousands of responsible hard working Ones.
See the comments online about Nigerian doctors.

Either you don't know what you are talking about or more heartless than Jonathan in acknowledging the many ills committed by medical workers in Nigerian medical centres.

A lot of nonchalance goes on there while it might be less in private but this people do so much damage to the credibility of medical practice in NIgeria.

drsugar:


We have herbalist performing surgeries in some parts of the country right now. They even employ nurses and pay them more than qualified doctors pay sef. We have people who can't even spell the words 'anatomy' , 'physiology' or 'Biochemistry' opening shops and admitting people, giving injections and doing some minor surgeries and the people don't complain.
Doctors make mistakes all over the world. If not, Stella Obasanjo would still be alive. If not, Joan Rivers of fashion police would still be alive. If not, Michael Jackson would not have died in the care of Dr. Conrad Murray in 2009. This is not a Nigerian doctor thing.
If at all there is anybody to be blamed for most avoidable deaths in the Nigerian health system, it's the government and it's health administrators, not usually practising clinicians.
DON'T SHADE/BLAME NIGERIAN DOCTORS ON THIS STELLA ODUAH's SON's DEATH.
A single event like this shouldn't cast doubt on thousands of responsible hard working Others.
Every day, Nigerian doctors are risking their lives to safe the lives of others. Some even died during the Ebola and lassa fever outbreaks while trying to save Nigeria. No appreciation by the people?




Rest on Maxwell.....

You are a complete disgrace to the science and medical community. Don't you ever make this kind of silly mistake in your whole pathetic life again. You are clearing a some fellow of serious case of alleged professional misconduct and mocking the dead to rest well without receiving justice.
If it's in saner climes, people like you would have been tracked down by security agencies for being assesory after the case of serious manslaughter.
Most Nigerian hospitals/Clinics (even those Hospitals deceiving the public that they are standard) hire diploma holders of Pharmacy Technicians and will unprofessionally operate without Pharmacist to check them ,buy substandard near expiry generic drugs to make more profits and when called to order by Pharmacist Council of Nigeria, these same doctors will run to government for protection.You guys have not seen anything yet, the public was expecting a foolish response like this and already had vicious response in waiting to your sillly post.
You should just keep quiet before you ridicule yourself more.

Businessideas:

You are a complete disgrace to the science and medical community. Don't you ever make this kind of silly mistake in your whole pathetic life again. You are clearing a some fellow of serious case of alleged professional misconduct and mocking the dead to rest well without receiving justice.
If it's in saner climes, people like you would have been tracked down by security agencies for being assesory after the case of serious manslaughter.
Some hospitals will operate without pharmacist and when called to order, they run to government for protection.You guys have not seen anything yet, the public was expecting a foolish response like this and already had vicious response in waiting to your sillly post.
You should just keep quiet before you ridicule yourself more.

That's bringing the shift of responsibility you get when things go wrong in the hospital to reality. For some reason the nurse is responsible.

Reyginus:
DrSugar stop this nonsense. The Nigerian system is bad but for some reasons the nurses have to be responsible for the death of the patients here. Bravo!. You can only tell that to a dumbo.

You see, among all health providers, the doctors have the largest number of incompetent people. You know why, they have the largest curriculum within a period which could have been better elongated.

The poor educational system affects everyone but affects medical students more and because medical students need more than the other health professionals.

I remember working with a house officer who couldn't even read an X-ray report and thus dunce majors in Orthopedics for that matter. I've sat down to watch resident medical doctors diagnose subluxation for dislocation even with an evident X-ray report saying otherwise.

Don't try to shade nurses here. I'm a Orthopedic Prosthetist before you conclude I'm a nurse. We have a larger number of dumb medical doctors than every other field. Medicine is broad and should be taught with best facility.

Go and sit down and stop talking trash. No house officer specializes in any branch of Surgery, they just do postings in Surgery, and that's all, you don't do specialization at the housemanship level. If you want to specialize, then you must do residency programme, in which case you must write primaries exam on your chosen area and pass after or during housemanship to be eligible for Residency programme.


Any orthopedic surgeon specialist doctor ie from senior registrar post upwards, can inteprete all bone and joint X-rays correctly. The Residency programme in Nigeria is very thorough and demanding, you can't pass them without those basic Knowledge.

Stop misinforming the public, to make yourself feel good.

Reyginus:
That's bringing the shift of responsibility you get when things go wrong in the hospital to reality. For some reason the nurse is responsible.

Are you talking about the professional nurse or auxiliary nurses?Guess what the quackery and consequences created by the anomaly called auxiliary nurse is enough to wipe away a whole generation.
Nigerian private medical practice is a huge joke and the rubbish going in the private medical practice is obscene. Is it not these guys that will blackmail pregnant women to have Caesarean operation just for pecuniary gains yet MDCN knows these issues but kept quiet!!

Businessideas:

Are you talking about the professional nurse or auxiliary nurses?Guess what the quackery and consequences created by the anomaly called auxiliary nurse is enough to wipe away a whole generation.
Nigerian private medical practice is a huge joke and the rubbish going in the private medical practice is obscene. Is it not these guys that will blackmail pregnant women to have Caesarean operation just for pecuniary gains yet MDCN knows these issues but kept quiet!!

I was talking about what the mind of a typical Nigerian Doctor works. No mistake is his making but the poor nurse. I've watched House officers explain to their consultant bosses how they killed a patient by mistake from wrong medication.

Your last line captures a dangerous trend. I know a hospital here owned by a doctor where quacks or better put, an Engineer, is asked to insert his fingers into the vagina of a pregnant woman having difficulty delivering. The same doctor love the CS so much and charges 120k for each done.

Marcelini:


Go and sit down and stop talking trash. No house officer specializes in any branch of Surgery, they just do postings in Surgery, and that's all, you don't do specialization at the housemanship level. If you want to specialize, then you must do residency programme, in which case you must write primaries exam on your chosen area and pass after or during housemanship to be eligible for Residency programme.


Any orthopedic surgeon specialist doctor ie from senior registrar post upwards, can inteprete all bone and joint X-rays correctly. The Residency programme in Nigeria is very thorough and demanding, you can't pass them without those basic Knowledge.

Stop misinforming the public, to make yourself feel good.

Weak point. A house officer posted to an Orthopedic Unit who can't interpret an X-ray correctly is a dunce. In fact, any medical student who cannot interpret something as simple as an X-ray of the lower and upper limbs is dumb and shouldn't even pass medical school.

Which of the Residency programme is thorough? In this Nigeria? How then was a resident doctor diagnosing subluxation for dislocation in my presence? That's a very simply thing. As am Orthopedic Prosthetist, I don't even need an X-ray to distinguish the two.

In my presence, a calcaneo-cuboid fracture was blamed for foot drag. Lol. A hyper plantarflexed foot drags because the bones running the calcaneus and cuboid discontinued? Lol. Medicine is not a field were exam malpractice should work.

"I remember working with a house officer who couldn't even read an X-ray report and thus dunce majors in Orthopedics for that matter. I've sat down to watch resident medical doctors diagnose subluxation for dislocation even with an evident X-ray report saying otherwise".

This was your ignorant post I was replying. No house officers majors in any branch of medicine or Surgery, and no Resident doctor will mis diagnose subluxation for dislocation, it's obvious you are as usual making up these stories up as you go.

Yes, residency programme in Nigeria is thorough and rigorous, but you will never get to know about that,since you are not a medical doctor.

Don't worry all of you tearing Nigerian doctors apart, I can assure you that in no distant time you' ll all beg for these so called quacks and you won't find them because they left you to saner climes!#teambrain drain till we learn to appreciate ours#

Hey! We are Humans, we make mistakes too. Haba!

I simply don't get the vituperations being thrown at us left, right and centre . Una don dey reason our matter since Adam?
As delicate as our profession is, truth is that medical error is an integral part of life. However the severity of such error boils down to some factors such as work circumstance, dedication and proficiency at the job.
I'm not defending a supposedly erring collegue but has it been proven that the said doctor gave a wrong pill? Has an autopsy been done? As scientists, we deal with facts and not market place gossip, thus if an autopsy confirms the suspicion, a medical board which is already in place would try the doctor and mete out the appropriate discipline.
Guys need to also realise that we are not perfect, we do the best we can in whatever circumstance. I think the frustration being expressed here , though understood is misplaced.
The dude below me though, he obviously has something more personal with doctors than the subject of discussion.

Truth is Nigeria Doctors are glorified first aid givers. 95% of them are legalised quacks.

This space is to give someone a powerful and much needed anticonvulsant.

dakotchic:
Don't worry all of you tearing Nigerian doctors apart, I can assure you that in no distant time you' ll all beg for these so called quacks and you won't find them because they left you to saner climes!#teambrain drain till we learn to appreciate ours#

Thank you my sister, please tell them. What would I be doing in this shit hole of a country if I have my way to bail out?
Out there Nigerian doctors are making giant strides, the same doctors who were similarly bashed down here. In no distant future, y'all would be left with the real quacks when the hard working and well trained doctors have left

modath:


Unless it's for a specialized /pre existing condition, they probably wouldn't get better elsewhere....


One indubitible fact however remains, when it's one's time to go, ain't nothing can stop it.

Simple bruise could develop complications and lead to sepsis and if it's yet time, massive coronary failure + head trauma+ ICU stay, the person will survive and still live a productive and full life..

We disagree on a wide range of issues buh on this , you're a little more objective than many others.
We have been fed with half the information needed and Nigerians have run to town with it. Nigerians need to learn objectivity which would come about from being properly informed and knowledgeable.