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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Saddamochieng00(m): 8:05am On Jun 19, 2021
obaaderemi:
Bar UK and Germany, the rest are small countries. Why is US and china, the world's only superpowers not there? wink

And I'm still waiting for you to explain how a nonentity like Togo is at par with a more prosperous South Africa in terms of HCI.

So you think being a super power automatically qualifies you to be on top of every list. In fact all the superpowers made it to the top 50 on the list so I don't get what you're saying. The question we should all be asking ourselves is how the "African Giant" couldn't even manage a top 40 spot in Africa

You should also understand that the WB uses various international tests to come up with this data. This are just but two examples.

The tests are psychometrically designed,
standardized assessments of cognitive skills. Since the 1990s, international
assessments have been conducted by organizations such as the OECD. Two high
profile examples are PISA and TIMSS which covered 71 and 65 countries in 2015.
These assessments enable credible global comparison of learning across countries
and over time

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.oecd.org/pisa/&ved=2ahUKEwiDr6_wjaPxAhWk4IUKHWeZCg4QFnoECDwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw24IV2Lj1hppSxcM8dFAP2j&cshid=1624085809416

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://nces.ed.gov/timss/&ved=2ahUKEwi-8ougj6PxAhURzIUKHainBMUQFnoECDoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3jZAxVW2itBd3OIpnBU5Iy

They don't just go around asking for data from government's that's why Yemi Kale can't cook you a number one spot on the list. wink

Below is a detailed report on how the World Bank comes up with this data.
https://openknowledge.worldbank.org/handle/10986/31280

We include developing countries by constructing a learning ‘exchange rate’
between international assessments and their regional counterparts. Regional
assessments cover much of Sub-Saharan Africa and Latin America. Thus, through
construction of a cross-test exchange rate between international and regional
assessments we quantify the difference between them, adjust for this difference,
and then place learning outcomes from regional assessments on a global scale.

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by orisa37: 8:46am On Jun 19, 2021
It has just been reported that a Kenyan man raped his daughter and gave her HIV.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by kikuyu1(m): 9:04am On Jun 19, 2021
Saddamochieng00:


Goes to show you're completely clueless on what human capital index is all about.

The Human Capital Index is a report prepared by the World Bank. The Index measures which countries are best in mobilizing the economic and professional potential of its citizens. The index measures how much capital each country loses through lack of education and health

Take a look at the top and bottom 16 on the list. grin grin grin

Truly,you didn't lie! Naij is in usual company.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by orisa37: 9:05am On Jun 19, 2021
It has just been reported that a Kenyan man raped his daughter and gave her HIV. NIGERIANS won't do such horrible to hear Act.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by kikuyu1(m): 9:09am On Jun 19, 2021
rvp2018:
The only thing I know in Togo - Lome port beat Nigerian ports - and is 3rd in Africa. I think size of country argument is very lame. Yes small countries generally tend to be better..but if you check the bottom 15 in any index...apart from NIGERIA...it normal small countries like Burundi, CAR, Niger, Chad, Somali, South Sudan....these countries with 10 million or about population. Majority of the poor countries tend to be small, landlocked and lacking of any natural resources. Nigeria ought not to be at the bottom.

Actually,being landlocked,imo is a bigger curse than smallness. Int'l trade is expensive due to logistics.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just30: 9:15am On Jun 19, 2021
One Kenyan Lunatic is still trying to compare his undeveloped country to one of Africa's most successfully developing nation.

A nation that is only second to SA in SSA in most infrastructure development.

Still trying to compare Nairobi that is as small as Tema to a behemoth like Accra.

Nairobi still plays third fiddle to Accra.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M_05_0pzHM&t=252s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqsffXpZ9aQ

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 11:24am On Jun 19, 2021
Try get to Nakuru - no excuse for lack of tall building - Nakuru sit on geological zones that don't allow tall buildings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--OHpvzE5mo

Just30:
One Kenyan Lunatic is still trying to compare his undeveloped country to one of Africa's most successfully developing nation.

A nation that is only second to SA in SSA in most infrastructure development.

Still trying to compare Nairobi that is as small as Tema to a behemoth like Accra.

Nairobi still plays third fiddle to Accra.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M_05_0pzHM&t=252s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqsffXpZ9aQ

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just30: 11:29am On Jun 19, 2021
rvp2018:
Try get to Nakuru - no excuse for lack of tall building - Nakuru sit on geological zones that don't allow tall buildings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--OHpvzE5mo

Tall building is not development

Try to get Nairobi to Kumasi level...

There should be no excuse for darkness in your country or no water supply or paved roads.

There should be no excuse for slum living or people not being able to own property.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 11:30am On Jun 19, 2021
I once read Prof Paul Collier (Oxford proffesor) the bottom billion and he identified the 4 traps 1) Conflict trap 2) Landlocked trap 3) Natural resource trap and 4) Small country with bad governance. Nigeria is hobbled by Natural resource and conflict trap. But the rest of the bottom 15 generally have nearly all those traps - confining them forever to bottom of any index - Malawi, Burundi,CAR, South Sudan. Nigeria can easily get out of it's morass if it fixed their oil dependency - it's already a fledging democracy and name it. What they need to do is massively invest in education...especially in it's north.
kikuyu1:


Actually,being landlocked,imo is a bigger curse than smallness. Int'l trade is expensive due to logistics.

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 11:33am On Jun 19, 2021
Mad-man.
Just30:
Tall building is not development

Try to get Nairobi to Kumasi level...

There should be no excuse for darkness in your country or no water supply or paved roads.

There should be no excuse for slum living or people not being able to own property.

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 11:53am On Jun 19, 2021
Lamu port - largest deep sea port with the highest transshipment capability in the East Coast of Africa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN1QwFV2-bs&t=618s
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just30: 12:58pm On Jun 19, 2021
rvp2018:
Mad-man.
Lunatic
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Obiano13: 12:59pm On Jun 19, 2021
obaaderemi:
You are the clueless one. The top 16 is dominated by small countries, save Japan. USA is missing.

Why is a seriously backward country like Togo at par with a more progressive country like South Africa? Care to explain, smart pant?

This monkey has never been the sharpest tool in the cupboard. tongue

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just30: 12:59pm On Jun 19, 2021
rvp2018:
Lamu port - largest deep sea port with the highest transshipment capability in the East Coast of Africa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN1QwFV2-bs&t=618s
dreams


Wait for it to come to reality grin
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 2:50pm On Jun 19, 2021
Obiano13:


This monkey has never been the sharpest tool in the cupboard. tongue
But he still has more brain in his thumb than you have in your empty head, baboon. wink

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 3:14pm On Jun 19, 2021
rvp2018:
The only thing I know in Togo - Lome port beat Nigerian ports - and is 3rd in Africa. I think size of country argument is very lame. Yes small countries generally tend to be better..but if you check the bottom 15 in any index...apart from NIGERIA...it normal small countries like Burundi, CAR, Niger, Chad, Somali, South Sudan....these countries with 10 million or about population. Majority of the poor countries tend to be small, landlocked and lacking of any natural resources. Nigeria ought not to be at the bottom.
If Togo port is 3rd in Africa, then it beats Kenya's ports too, because the top 2 are in South Africa and Egypt.
If you want to talk about ports, Lagos ports have 1.5m teu, same as Lome port. And we are currently constructing a port which is going to be one of Africa's largest:

It is the largest seaport of Nigeria and one the biggest in
west africa. Lekki port is to be expanded to have a capacity
of handling around 6 million TEUs of containers and a
significant volume of liquid and dry bulk uncontainerized
cargoes.

If this is the only reason you can adduce for Togo being at par with a more prosperous south Africa, then you don't know what you are saying. A large percentage of Togo's population is in Nigeria doing one menial job or the other.

The only reason Nigeria's usually ranked low on such list has to do mainly with the spate of insecurity and backwardness in northern Nigeria. This makes many international bodies project the situation like it's worse than it actually is. Years ago, the Economist magazine ranked Lagos low because of Boko Haram when Boko HAram never had an attack on Lagos.

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 3:15pm On Jun 19, 2021
rvp2018:
I once read Prof Paul Collier (Oxford proffesor) the bottom billion and he identified the 4 traps 1) Conflict trap 2) Landlocked trap 3) Natural resource trap and 4) Small country with bad governance. Nigeria is hobbled by Natural resource and conflict trap. But the rest of the bottom 15 generally have nearly all those traps - confining them forever to bottom of any index - Malawi, Burundi,CAR, South Sudan. Nigeria can easily get out of it's morass if it fixed their oil dependency - it's already a fledging democracy and name it. What they need to do is massively invest in education...especially in it's north.
So what is the trap Kenya falls into that makes the country so poor and the people starve?

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 3:17pm On Jun 19, 2021
kikuyu1:


Actually,being landlocked,imo is a bigger curse than smallness. Int'l trade is expensive due to logistics.
There are several landlocked countries in Europe doing well. It's all about creativity.

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 3:28pm On Jun 19, 2021
Saddamochieng00:


So you think being a super power automatically qualifies you to be on top of every list. In fact all the superpowers made it to the top 50 on the list so I don't get what you're saying. The question we should all be asking ourselves is how the "African Giant" couldn't even manage a top 40 spot in Africa

You should also understand that the WB uses various international tests to come up with this data. This are just but two examples.



https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.oecd.org/pisa/&ved=2ahUKEwiDr6_wjaPxAhWk4IUKHWeZCg4QFnoECDwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw24IV2Lj1hppSxcM8dFAP2j&cshid=1624085809416

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://nces.ed.gov/timss/&ved=2ahUKEwi-8ougj6PxAhURzIUKHainBMUQFnoECDoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3jZAxVW2itBd3OIpnBU5Iy

They don't just go around asking for data from government's that's why Yemi Kale can't cook you a number one spot on the list. wink

Below is a detailed report on how the World Bank comes up with this data.
https://openknowledge.worldbank.org/handle/10986/31280


And for this a country like Togo is ahead of more prosperous countries like Botswana and South Africa. wink

If it's another country, I might let you off on this but Togo? Hell, no. Unless you can explain. Can you?

Meanwhile, India is a superpower and it didn't make top50. So your noise that all the superpowers made top 50 is silly.

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 3:29pm On Jun 19, 2021
rvp2018:
Lamu port - largest deep sea port with the highest transshipment capability in the East Coast of Africa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN1QwFV2-bs&t=618s
What's the level of completion?
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 3:32pm On Jun 19, 2021
First 3 berths complete and operational. That is phase 1 - general, bulk and container. The phase 2 is 16 berths including - three bulk, three container, six general cargo, one liquid bulk, one coal, one LNG and one product oil.
obaaderemi:
What's the level of completion?

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 3:35pm On Jun 19, 2021
The four traps.
1) conflict,
2) reliance on natural resources,
3) being landlocked with bad neighbours,
4) bad governance.

Kenya is plagued by bad governance - especially corruption.

obaaderemi:
So what is the trap Kenya falls into that makes the country so poor and the people starve?

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 3:36pm On Jun 19, 2021
Being landlocked with bad neighbors make such countries economies isolated, trade expensive, and pretty much tough places. Although with air travel development is providing the likes of Rwanda and Ethiopia - away to participate in some international trade.

Imagine being neighbors with Nigeria that can wake up and close the borders...like it recently did. or a country like Nigeria again with barely any infrastructure to move your goods from port of Lagos to Niger or Chad.

obaaderemi:
There are several landlocked countries in Europe doing well. It's all about creativity.

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 7:00pm On Jun 19, 2021
rvp2018:
Being landlocked with bad neighbors make such countries economies isolated, trade expensive, and pretty much tough places. Although with air travel development is providing the likes of Rwanda and Ethiopia - away to participate in some international trade.

Imagine being neighbors with Nigeria that can wake up and close the borders...like it recently did. or a country like Nigeria again with barely any infrastructure to move your goods from port of Lagos to Niger or Chad.

You would have problems with Nigeria if you are a smuggling enclave like Benin.

About infrastructure, Nigeria has SGR and is building a railway to Niger, though the government is taking a lot of flak for it.
Did Kenya ever build a railway from Kenya to any neighboring country?

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 7:24pm On Jun 19, 2021
Of course; kenya has connected railway with uganda - that for many years was jointly run. We are building new SGR alongside it and rehabilitating it; Kenya is preferred port and transport corridor all the way to Burundi and up north sudan - there are even containers that go all the way to CAR and Zambia. We are now targeting Ethiopia.
obaaderemi:
You would have problems with Nigeria if you are a smuggling enclave like Benin.

About infrastructure, Nigeria has SGR and is building a railway to Niger, though the government is taking a lot of flak for it.
Did Kenya ever build a railway from Kenya to any neighboring country?

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by mhkent(m): 8:21pm On Jun 19, 2021
rvp2018:
I once read Prof Paul Collier (Oxford proffesor) the bottom billion and he identified the 4 traps 1) Conflict trap 2) Landlocked trap 3) Natural resource trap and 4) Small country with bad governance. Nigeria is hobbled by Natural resource and conflict trap. But the rest of the bottom 15 generally have nearly all those traps - confining them forever to bottom of any index - Malawi, Burundi,CAR, South Sudan. Nigeria can easily get out of it's morass if it fixed their oil dependency - it's already a fledging democracy and name it. What they need to do is massively invest in education...especially in it's north.
Well sadly you are correct. The north is simply the bane of the country, the previous government built schools for them, yet still no effect.

It so bad that during the 90's, we had to stop educational development all in the name of allowing the north to catch up by introducing quota system. Still the north is still catching up.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Obiano13: 11:16pm On Jun 19, 2021
obaaderemi:
But he still has more brain in his thumb than you have in your empty head, baboon. wink

If your thumb had an iota of brain it would refrain from typing the nonsense it types so frequently. But then again, a monkey is always a monkey. Its thumbs are only good for grabbing branches.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Saddamochieng00(m): 11:30am On Jun 20, 2021
obaaderemi:
And for this a country like Togo is ahead of more prosperous countries like Botswana and South Africa. wink

If it's another country, I might let you off on this but Togo? Hell, no. Unless you can explain. Can you?

Meanwhile, India is a superpower and it didn't make top50. So your noise that all the superpowers made top 50 is silly.

So your reason for doubting the credibility of this list is because Togo was placed ahead of South Africa and India didn't make it to the top 50?
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 12:04pm On Jun 20, 2021
Obiano13:


If your thumb had an iota of brain it would refrain from typing the nonsense it types so frequently. But then again, a monkey is always a monkey. Its thumbs are only good for grabbing branches.
And a baboon is always a baboon because it never has anything to say but yak like you do. wink

I don't even know you and never knew a brainless idiot like you was keeping tabs on me. @ bolded.

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 12:06pm On Jun 20, 2021
Saddamochieng00:


So your reason for doubting the credibility of this list is because Togo was placed ahead of South Africa and India didn't make it to the top 50?
Oh, yes! A lot is taken away from the report if a country like India with the progress it has made in education and healthcare doesn't make top 50. And a country like Togo which we know very well in this parts, is at par with South Africa, the most advanced country in Africa. Go figure.

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 12:10pm On Jun 20, 2021
mhkent:

Well sadly you are correct. The north is simply the bane of the country, the previous government built schools for them, yet still no effect.

It so bad that during the 90's, we had to stop educational development all in the name of allowing the north to catch up by introducing quota system. Still the north is still catching up.
The north can never catch up. The rest of Nigeria is at least 100 years ahead of the north.

That's why the north is bent on bringing the whole country down.

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 1:06pm On Jun 20, 2021
The list is solid. Ghana is at 0.45...both Togo and South Africa at 0.43...and Nigeria at 0.36. I think you overrate South Africa - it has one worst education systems - and it one of the most unequal countries. It like North Nigeria essentially where a few oil barons are thriving while everyone else is poor. One Dangote for 100m Al marajis. In South Africa - the 10 percent mostly white and coloured and Asians - control the economy - while the blacks receive one worst education. Testing or assessment has been done...and their kids normally come bottom in Southern and Eastern Africa....except for just one province of Western Cape (white majority). Their teachers I think also perform so poorly they would get 70% of a the kids exams compared to kenya teachers who'd scored 95 percent.

As regard Health care - HIV-AIDS has devastated Southern Africa countries - with South Africa the worst hit - thanks to Mbeki and his HIV denialist. I think one point 30 percent of the population were infected. HIV because it attack body immunity - pretty much wrecks all the health indicators - and you can see what it did to South Africa life expectancy and health care system.

The blame squarely lies on fumbling ANC - they should have concentrated on educating the black majority - and what they did on HIV-AIDS should be a crime against humanity - for no other country fumbled as they did - and let the disease ravaged it's citizen. Mbeki should be tried at ICC.

obaaderemi:
Oh, yes! A lot is taken away from the report if a country like India with the progress it has made in education and healthcare doesn't make top 50. And a country like Togo which we know very well in this parts, is at par with South Africa, the most advanced country in Africa. Go figure.

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