TheGoodJoe:


By that time, Chidi was ahead of Etebo and Azubuike. Remember, he was among the selected players to represent Manchester City In the Preseason tour in America before he injured. If not work permit, he would have played more for City. That was a good choice.

TheGoodJoe:


Another point we should remember was when Manu Garba and Siasia's side met in the Super Six, the match ended 3-3. Without Mikel, Ekong and some other additions, I have no doubt Azubuike and Etebo will look that strong.

I do not think the Manu Garba's U20 team was weak. That was not the problem. Sometimes good teams have poor showing.

Icon4s:


Ifeanyi Mathew relegated Chidi Nwakali to the bench at New Zealand. Ifeanyi Mathew could not make the U23 midfield, at the CAF U23, that had Etebo and Azubuike.

Btw who do you rate higher between Ifeanyi Mathew and Chidiebere Nwakali?

Icon4s:


The loses to Brazil and Germany said a lot about that team.Most especially the way they were out played. They could only beat N.Korea and Hungary who you and I know are no where in terms of pedigree at youths level.

AIG07:
Good one!!!

You guys are really doing a great job here.
How I wish nff officios, coaches n other football stakeholders can know about this thread or probably pay visits once in a while from their comfort zone.

Sir Forgiveness n Sir Icon4s(you guys seem closer to the glass house) should work on that...

*Peace*

TheGoodJoe:


Brazil was individual errors. As for those dropped, especially Azubuike and Etebo, no guarantee they would do better after Denmark pushed Six passed them.

The New Zealand boys were a better team than the Siasia Olympics team before the additions.

Also, Spain in France '98 had a super team with Raul, Enrique, Sergi, Zubizaretta, Campo, Hierro etc but they crashed out in the first round. Doing bad in a competition does not mean a bad squad. It is up to the FA to keep building and training.

A mistake we made in the past. Something we should stop. Amunike and Manu Garba crashing out does not mean a bad team. We must find how to continue.

Icon4s:


Individual errors that you lost 4-2 from leading 2-1?

Were Etebo and Azubuike ever invited for 2015 U20 screening?

U are still hinging on the 6-1 thrashing by Denmark in a friendly when we beat them 2-0 in a proper tourney?

TheGoodJoe:


You brought up that Etebo and Azubuike were within the age limit. There is no way Manu Garba did not know about them. If he wanted them, he would have invited them. Whether they screened or not, Manu Garba preferred his midfield choices. They camped and stayed in the same hotel in Abuja.

Without the additions of Mikel and co., it was a weaker team. Without the additions, Denmark might still beat them.

Icon4s:


Compare Azubuike with Chidi Nwakali and not Etebo.

AIG07:
Good one!!!

You guys are really doing a great job here.
How I wish nff officios, coaches n other football stakeholders can know about this thread or probably pay visits once in a while from their comfort zone.

Sir Forgiveness n Sir Icon4s(you guys seem closer to the glass house) should work on that...

*Peace*

Icon4s:


That part where said "Manu preferred his midfield choices" underlines my point. He did not completely throw the camp open. He already had his choice of players. Azubuike and Etebo would have brought more to that team. I had always maintained also that Junior Ajayi is a better striker than Taiwo Awoniyi. Ajayi was already the main striker for 3SC then while Taiwo Awoniyi was still an academy player.

Our U20 coaches should try to give every player that falls with the U20 bracket a chance.And not just sticking to their previous U17 boys.

Icon4s:


That part where said "Manu preferred his midfield choices" underlines my point. He did not completely throw the camp open. He already had his choice of players. Azubuike and Etebo would have brought more to that team. I had always maintained also that Junior Ajayi is a better striker than Taiwo Awoniyi. Ajayi was already the main striker for 3SC then while Taiwo Awoniyi was still an academy player.

Our U20 coaches should try to give every player that falls with the U20 bracket a chance.And not just sticking to their previous U17 boys.

TheGoodJoe:


Manu Garba invited Pyagbara and Sokari to camp. Sokari was close to the National team then. Pyagbara had worked with Keshi for CHAN. Obinna Nwobodo was not part of the U17 team. Same with Ndidi.

So there was development.

Icon4s:


Which contributed to y his U20 team did better than Amuneke's.

U mentioned Amuneke invited 600 players yet 10 of his starting 11 were from d previous U17. That does not add up. It is either the story of inviting 600 players is false or he did not give the 600 players fair trials. Watch and see in next couple of months how quality teens or 19/20 years olds who were not part of Amuneke's Flying Eagles would emerge from our local league.

Sebi I thought the NFF once mentioned Zaharadeen Bello as the likely captain of the 2017 Flying Eagles. I dnt think Amuneke even invited him. He is not an Amuneke's boy but a Manu Garba's boy.

TheGoodJoe:


Amunike inviting hundreds of players to camp is beyond stories when the camp was full of players with coaches watching and screening. It was a process, publicly announced.

You chose to ignore the fact that this set was the most abandoned football teams of Nigeria. Leave inviting players. These boys were close to slaves. Manu Garba's U17 boys used to walk long distances to villages to charge their phones.

Amunike boys were not poor as you make them. They beat the Olympics team repeatedly. That is enough to tell you they were good players.

Unfortunately, the neglect got to them.

I remember warning about Manu boys repeatedly here. They slept in darkness a lot. Yet no cries.

Amunike's boys were the same boys beating Azubuike and Etebo. How many U20 boys will beat the Olympics team.

Westerhof invited over a hundred footballers to camp after Tunisia '94. Will you say he was bias when most of the players who made it to USA' 94 were part of the Tunisia '94 squad. If Amunike wanted to just play his boys, he would not organize the camp in the first place.

This was a case of neglect, not talent.

Icon4s:


Etebo and Azubuike were busy with their clubs as it was not end of season when those friendlies with Flying Eagles were played.


As for the Amuneke's Flying Eagles, I started asking questions when they managed narrow wins against Burundi in both legs. Even in the first leg of the Sudan game, they came from a goal down and scored 2 late goald to get the win.An U19/20 team where all the players were 16-17 years olds. All academy players. The oldest amongst them being Kelechi Nwakali just turned 18 a few weeks ago. Osimhen will have to wait till December before he turns 18. That team was grossly lacking in experience for an U20 side!

So because they boycotted training for 3 days that is why Sudan should be putting 4goals past them? And Osimhen should be scoring an own goal?

They were leading 3-2 at a point in that game which is still the narrow margin I have been complaining about. U dnt at this stage of the journey be struggling to defeat teams like Burundi and Sudan and you expect to win the WYC.

Invited 600 players and only one (nicknamed Paul Scholes) could break into the starting 11? I say watch out in the next couple of months as some quality 18,19, 20 years old players would be making waves in the NPFL.

And please don't make comparison with the Super Eagles of '94. BTW where did you get that info that Westerhorf invited hundreds of players for camping before the '94 world cup?
I can vividly tell you that what happened was that some people in some quarters were clamouring for the inclusion of certain players in the national team. They started calling the team a mafia of players from a certain Region of the country. Just like how some labelled Keshi's 2013 team an Igbo team.

I remember vividly in one of Westerhorf's interview where he said "people keep telling me there is this player that deserves to be in the Team. But I would ask them is he better than Finidi, is he better than Amuneke? Is he batter than Amokachi, Yekini or Okocha? And the person says no. So why does he deserve to be in the Team?".

Westerhoff had to invite some players to join the ALREADY ESTABLISHED Super Eagles squad. Those new invitees were not even up to 50 not to talk of being "hundreds".

The NFF should not promote any Former U17 coach with the Team any more. It has never worked for us. They would always want to profit from fielding "their boys" at the detriment of 170million Nigerians.

Amuneke na my guy but that would not stop me from treating his fukk-up. I learnt he is back to training school. Good for him and Nigerian football. Sure he has learnt from his last failure.

Icon4s:


Etebo and Azubuike were busy with their clubs as it was not end of season when those friendlies with Flying Eagles were played.


As for the Amuneke's Flying Eagles, I started asking questions when they managed narrow wins against Burundi in both legs. Even in the first leg of the Sudan game, they came from a goal down and scored 2 late goald to get the win.An U19/20 team where all the players were 16-17 years olds. All academy players. The oldest amongst them being Kelechi Nwakali just turned 18 a few weeks ago. Osimhen will have to wait till December before he turns 18. That team was grossly lacking in experience for an U20 side!

So because they boycotted training for 3 days that is why Sudan should be putting 4goals past them? And Osimhen should be scoring an own goal?

They were leading 3-2 at a point in that game which is still the narrow margin I have been complaining about. U dnt at this stage of the journey be struggling to defeat teams like Burundi and Sudan and you expect to win the WYC.

Invited 600 players and only one (nicknamed Paul Scholes) could break into the starting 11? I say watch out in the next couple of months as some quality 18,19, 20 years old players would be making waves in the NPFL.

And please don't make comparison with the Super Eagles of '94. BTW where did you get that info that Westerhorf invited hundreds of players for camping before the '94 world cup?
I can vividly tell you that what happened was that some people in some quarters were clamouring for the inclusion of certain players in the national team. They started calling the team a mafia of players from a certain Region of the country. Just like how some labelled Keshi's 2013 team an Igbo team.

I remember vividly in one of Westerhorf's interview where he said "people keep telling me there is this player that deserves to be in the Team. But I would ask them is he better than Finidi, is he better than Amuneke? Is he batter than Amokachi, Yekini or Okocha? And the person says no. So why does he deserve to be in the Team?".

Westerhoff had to invite some players to join the ALREADY ESTABLISHED Super Eagles squad. Those new invitees were not even up to 50 not to talk of being "hundreds".

The NFF should not promote any Former U17 coach with the Team any more. It has never worked for us. They would always want to profit from fielding "their boys" at the detriment of 170million Nigerians.

Amuneke na my guy but that would not stop me from treating his fukk-up. I learnt he is back to training school. Good for him and Nigerian football. Sure he has learnt from his last failure.

Petrobros:
Bia Icon4s vs TheGoodJoe.

Dem just dey open new thread today-today una don baptize am with una argument.
The thread don run reach 2nd page.

I may not comment regularly but I follow regularly.
All the same well done guys. I love the spirit.

joseph1013:
I'm still trying to find the words to coin the title of the thread, but the objective is simple: This is a thread to discuss the progress of our young players abroad, just like Orkpekyandega suggested.

With the inability of our U17 and U20 players to qualify for the continental, and subsequently global, competitions, the former threads have been rendered inactive. This means that we are poised to miss the emergence of another generation of very promising players in the mould of Iheanacho, Isaac Success, Osimhen, Nwakali etc, but this thread aims to scout the ones who are fortunate enough to find themselves abroad and thus distinguishing themselves.

Welcome

cc: Icon4s, TheGoodJoe, TheSuperNerd, Forgiveness, Safarigirl, tbaba1234, zoboizee, Mickael2, Napoleon55, Lordabas, goldfish80, enomakos, Daninya11, zuchyblink, CFCFan, Blackalbino6, Terzurum5, Confun, irondome, Pavarotti, OdenigboAroli, apologies if I omit your name.

TheGoodJoe:
Nice vision.

I am down with this. I hope we do not waste Amunike's U20 boys and Manu Garba's boys who failed to qualify for the U17. We need much talented players as possible.

I hope the NFF gives Manu Garba the next U20 job. So he can continue with his lads. Please, NFF, support the players. The way we abandoned them this time showed in the results.

OdenigboAroli:


Biko,keep Manu Garba out of this. The guy lacks tactical know-how. Amunike should continue,he is more equipped.

OdenigboAroli:
I was actually thinking about what becomes of our U20 since they didn't qualify for the youth world cup. I feel we should appoint a coach that will keep these guys together as the grow. I mean,we can still use these bunch for the next one.