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Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by loadedvibes: 7:34am On Nov 01, 2016
Ok so I force myself read this thing and noticed that it was a nurse that wrote this article.. it has to be, they be looking for way to equate the playing ground. Let me answer your question.. Nurses are nurses and MDs are MDs, they are all doctors but not MDs.

Thank you

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Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by Nobody: 7:36am On Nov 01, 2016
Do nurses perform surgery?
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by eleojo23: 7:37am On Nov 01, 2016
babyfaceafrica:
not all doctors perform surgeries,and pharmacist prescribe drugs

Pharmacists can't prescribe for every disease.
Not because they don't know what to prescribe but because,treating an illness is more than just prescribing drugs.

There are a lot of things to consider in prescribing drugs. There could be co-morbidities which the pharmacists may not be aware of and these can only be revealed by investigations ordered by a doctor.
There are comobidities that are obvious but there are many which can only be revealed by detailed investigations that only a doctor is trained to do.
Some drugs need therapeutic drug monitoring which can only be carried out in the hospital under the supervision of a doctor with inputs from the pharmacist.

So the pharmacist has his limit in prescribing, not because he doesn't know what to prescribe, but because there are a lot more things to consider beside the obvious presenting symptoms of the patient.

Some diseases are not easy to diagnose because there could be up to five different diseases with similar symptoms. The pharmacist is trained to know symptoms of various diseases but he has his limits. This is where you need a doctor- the expert in diagnosis.
Once the doctor has confirmed the diagnosis, the pharmacist can help to choose the appropriate medication and help the patient to understand how his medication works, the possible side effects and how he should take the drugs for optimum result.

In all, healthcare is more of a symbiotic relationship between all the players involved.

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Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by Ikpangi: 7:39am On Nov 01, 2016
Doctor cool undecided tongue
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by agabaI23(m): 7:47am On Nov 01, 2016
Beautiful conclusion that i made long ago.
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by Burgerlomo: 7:50am On Nov 01, 2016
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Happy New Month Beautiful people. May God continue to
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us and may His will be done.

Amen.

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Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by airsaylongcon: 7:51am On Nov 01, 2016
Lagusta:
You all should remember that this article is talking about AMERICAN NURSES and NURSE PRACTICIONERS, who are nurses that have undergone advanced training to the extent that they can now diagnose common ailments and prescribe drugs, since doctors are scarce everywhere....

Please NEVER compare a foreign trained nurse to one nurse that finished from school of nursing.....

The only nurses I really give respect and regards are the graduate nurses, they went to the university, did a five year course, learned the real art and practice of nursing, there their training can be at par with the American nurses...

All other auxiliaries and those lazy "school of nursing" nurses need to take a chill pill......

My brother, please disabuse your mind that a Graduate nurse is a superior nurse or has a training at par with an American trained nurse. You need to know the unholiness that happens I our departments of nursing. My mum retired as the principal of a school of nursing and she was appalled at the fad of everyone rushing for BNSc.

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Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by InvertedHammer: 7:59am On Nov 01, 2016
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The difference is clear especially in the scope of practice.

The author is mainly pandering to nurses.

Did you read where he compared the experience of floor Nurse to "interns"? Unbelievable!

If need be, the author should compare interns and nursing students because both groups are still under training.

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Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by Nobody: 8:01am On Nov 01, 2016
Who is a doctor?? Phukem nurses!!
Who the hell are they??

Shout out to Uncle Jasper patent medicine store.

He runs a provision store. The whole neighbourhood call him DOCTOR so he is a doctor with or without certificate. He is a NURSE. He is a PHARMACIST and he is the best HERBALIST.

Uncle jasper be saving wasting lives since 1899. Last time he gave me an injection in the middle of my left buttocks, I couldn't walk properly for six months not to mention countless number of times he gave me laxative for paracetamol.

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Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by omonnakoda: 8:17am On Nov 01, 2016
chuksbogus2001:
I strongly concur .this write up is for the mature minds
Not just mature but internationally exposed as well.It will be hard to make sense of this without such exposure
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by odinegi(m): 8:22am On Nov 01, 2016
Well once in a while... This kind of article is important to enlighten the public, why because... Most nigerians even the educated ones are still very foolish when it comes to the health sector. When we fall sick the only thing we think of after hospital is the doctor, forgotten that alot of feilds has come together to make the HOSPITAL. Also because of this praises render to the doctors, most nurses simply get pissed and behave anyhow in return to the patients and relatives with the mindset that.... Afterall dia effort is not appreciated so why giving dia best. In conclusion if u wanna hear the truth... 10% of the mortality rate in the hospital are caused by the society not appreciating nurses effort in our hospital, so they do alot of degligence of duty which is very costly to human life. Afterall no surveillance camera is watching.

Please i am talking from experience, let's learn to appreciate from the gateman at the hospital gate to the cleaners on the hospital wards.

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Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by toprealman: 8:25am On Nov 01, 2016
teepsee:
Please that write up is too long jowi.
What is my business with nurse and doctors.


They played a key role in your delivery and will most likely do same when you start making babies.
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by DeRay98(m): 8:26am On Nov 01, 2016
dancewith:
Are you kidding me? I am yet to see a nurse perform heart surgery or even most surgeries. If my memory is correct I can't recall a nurse diagnosing and making prescriptions to me when I visited the hospital.

Not all doctors can perform heart surgery, only advanced trained doctors who are usually specialists and consultants in cardiology do.
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by teepsee(f): 8:30am On Nov 01, 2016
toprealman:
They played a key role in your delivery and will most likely do same when you start making babies.
sir by God grace i have them around me. Two uncle of mine are doctors, my mom a midwife , my sister also a nurse.


So by God grace i don't think it's a problem, and i can ask them if i really want to know
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by omonnakoda: 8:31am On Nov 01, 2016
eleojo23:


Pharmacists can't prescribe for every disease.
Not because they don't know what to prescribe but because,treating an illness is more than just prescribing drugs.

There are a lot of things to consider in prescribing drugs. There could be co-morbidities which the pharmacists may not be aware of and these can only be revealed by investigations ordered by a doctor.
There are comobidities that are obvious but there are many which can only be revealed by detailed investigations that only a doctor is trained to do.
Some drugs need therapeutic drug monitoring which can only be carried out in the hospital under the supervision of a doctor with inputs from the pharmacist.

So the pharmacist has his limit in prescribing, not because he doesn't know what to prescribe, but because there are a lot more things to consider beside the obvious presenting symptoms of the patient.

Some diseases are not easy to diagnose because there could be up to five different diseases with similar symptoms. The pharmacist is trained to know symptoms of various diseases but he has his limits. This is where you need a doctor- the expert in diagnosis.
Once the doctor has confirmed the diagnosis, the pharmacist can help to choose the appropriate medication and help the patient to understand how his medication works, the possible side effects and how he should take the drugs for optimum result.

In all, healthcare is more of a symbiotic relationship between all the players involved.
There is nothing that "only a doctor is trained to do" that is fantasy. The MBBS level training is basic training,very basic indeed, after that if a doctor chooses to specialize his training is still quite narrow.

The scope of medicine so wide and pace of development so fast that no doctor can cover everything
A nurse who works in Obstetrics for 10 years cannot in anyway be compared to a paediatrician of 10 years who has not taken a delivery in 10 years . A psychiatrist who has not held a syringe or suture in 10 years cannot supplant a specialist theatre nurse. A nurse with trauma experience in a busy casualty has experience of making decisions quikly in life and death situations which few radiologists can offer.

Doctors too have their limits and those people who try to propagate this myth of a doctor with all encompassing training and knowledge are either deluded or dishonest. There is very little a doctor knows theoretically that anyone else cannot find out from the internet. The medical school training often offers a taster of some specialties and does not cover every field of medicine. Even at specialist consultant level the absence of equipment in Nigeria often makes these consultant titles empty and meaningless when compared to specialist practitioners from more advanced centres

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Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by DeRay98(m): 8:33am On Nov 01, 2016
odinegi:
Well once in a while... This kind of article is important to enlighten the public, why because... Most nigerians even the educated ones are still very foolish when it comes to the health sector. When we fall sick the only thing we think of after hospital is the doctor, forgotten that alot of feilds has come together to make the HOSPITAL. Also because of this praises render to the doctors, most nurses simply get pissed and behave anyhow in return to the patients and relatives with the mindset that.... Afterall dia effort is not appreciated so why giving dia best. In conclusion if u wanna hear the truth... 10% of the mortality rate in the hospital are caused by the society not appreciating nurses effort in our hospital, so they do alot of degligence of duty which is very costly to human life. Afterall no surveillance camera is watching.

Please i am talking from experience, let's learn to appreciate from the gateman at the hospital gate to the cleaners on the hospital wards.

Valid points, it's the doctors bossy and non appreciative attitude towards or other health workers' efforts that pisses them off especially Nig doctors. Nig doctors behave like they alone do all the work and they look down on others as inferiors.
Even right the university most med students see themselves as the "all there's". They have no idea what team play and team leadership is.
Thats the crux of the Nig dilemma.

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Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by lebete3000: 8:35am On Nov 01, 2016
Lagusta:
You all should remember that this article is talking about AMERICAN NURSES and NURSE PRACTICIONERS, who are nurses that have undergone advanced training to the extent that they can now diagnose common ailments and prescribe drugs, since doctors are scarce everywhere....

Please NEVER compare a foreign trained nurse to one nurse that finished from school of nursing.....

The only nurses I really give respect and regards are the graduate nurses, they went to the university, did a five year course, learned the real art and practice of nursing, there their training can be at par with the American nurses...

All other auxiliaries and those lazy "school of nursing" nurses need to take a chill pill......

And the funny thing is that the graduate nurses dont even give doctors problems at all...They are very cooperative and respectful to docs...it's only the auxiliary nurses and school of nursing dat claim equality with doctors...something about empty barrels making tha loudest noise....

Bro abeg lemme call you so you can hit me up on some I do jarey. ...

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Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by allymarry89(f): 8:36am On Nov 01, 2016
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Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by Nobody: 8:44am On Nov 01, 2016
This is an actual fact in the health system....... my word of advice to both parties is do ur work diligently .... n sky is our starting point.....
#ProudlyANurse

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Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by Felincous(m): 8:48am On Nov 01, 2016
Lagusta:
You all should remember that this article is talking about AMERICAN NURSES and NURSE PRACTICIONERS, who are nurses that have undergone advanced training to the extent that they can now diagnose common ailments and prescribe drugs, since doctors are scarce everywhere....

Please NEVER compare a foreign trained nurse to one nurse that finished from school of nursing.....

The only nurses I really give respect and regards are the graduate nurses, they went to the university, did a five year course, learned the real art and practice of nursing, there their training can be at par with the American nurses...

All other auxiliaries and those lazy "school of nursing" nurses need to take a chill pill......

The wrte up is for d mature mind nd nt for those who do nt even knw d diff btwn anatomy nd physiology

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Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by ItsMeAboki(m): 9:09am On Nov 01, 2016
InyinyaAgbaOku:
Complete piece of crap.
How about they didn't study the same curriculum in schools?

And what is it about comparing an EXPERIENCED FLOOR NURSE to an DOCTOR INTERN.
That's a useless comparison. But even at that, they don't have the same undergraduate curriculum, the intern doc will still know more about diagnosis whole the experienced nurse about nursing skills.
E no follow sef.
If you like, let the security man wear the same thing as doctors, even if e look like panadol, e no be panadil

What the article was clearly trying to say was that in recent times there is an increasing convergence in the roles of nurses and doctors, especially in view of enhancements in the academic content of their training, where some can even become Phd holders.
The article also gave experience as another factor for this convergence of roles, citing examples of task shifting e.g. giving prescription, surgical intervention etc.

Much as you may want to disagree; experience certainly always counts in any profession or life activity and can't be dismissed as you flippantly did.

It won't even surprise me, if by chance you are doctor, that you might have learnt a thing or two from some of the nurses in the ward during your housemanship - the fact is, no body has a monopoly of knowledge, even the teacher sometimes learns from his student.

Remember, the story of Dr. Christian Bernard, the first to successfully transplant the human heart (a white South African during Apartheid regime); well it was later revealed that towards the end of his career he was secretly allowing his black attendant (who had no formal medical training whatsoever) to assist him and eventually take over some the transplant operations.
Dr. Bernard was having difficulty moving his fingers due to arthritis and felt confident enough to entrust such procedures to his attendant because the latter had acquired the required skill, over the years through the practical experience of watching and gradually assisting - and there are similar parallels here too in Nigeria.

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Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by NurEmperor(m): 9:11am On Nov 01, 2016
dancewith:
Are you kidding me? I am yet to see a nurse perform heart surgery or even most surgeries. If my memory is correct I can't recall a nurse diagnosing and making prescriptions to me when I visited the hospital.
The writer told you that they are being restricted by laws
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by Ma2seater: 9:16am On Nov 01, 2016
This article is only useful in advanced countries. Nigeria is way behind in health care.

Nurse practitioners are more patient with patient's when it comes to assessment. In some facilities in America, the first on call is usually a Nurse Practitioner.
Naija is still crawling in terms of health care services.

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Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by toprealman: 9:26am On Nov 01, 2016
teepsee:
sir by God grace i have them around me. Two uncle of mine are doctors, my mom a midwife , my sister also a nurse.


So by God grace i don't think it's a problem, and i can ask them if i really want to know
Now paraphrasing your question: What is the usefulness of your medical doctor uncles and the nurses surrounding you....including your mum. Reflect on your answer and do have a wonderful day bro.

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Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by lokoloko84(m): 9:32am On Nov 01, 2016
eleojo23:


Pharmacists can't prescribe for every disease.
Not because they don't know what to prescribe but because,treating an illness is more than just prescribing drugs.

There are a lot of things to consider in prescribing drugs. There could be co-morbidities which the pharmacists may not be aware of and these can only be revealed by investigations ordered by a doctor.
There are comobidities that are obvious but there are many which can only be revealed by detailed investigations that only a doctor is trained to do.
Some drugs need therapeutic drug monitoring which can only be carried out in the hospital under the supervision of a doctor with inputs from the pharmacist.

So the pharmacist has his limit in prescribing, not because he doesn't know what to prescribe, but because there are a lot more things to consider beside the obvious presenting symptoms of the patient.

Some diseases are not easy to diagnose because there could be up to five different diseases with similar symptoms. The pharmacist is trained to know symptoms of various diseases but he has his limits. This is where you need a doctor- the expert in diagnosis.
Once the doctor has confirmed the diagnosis, the pharmacist can help to choose the appropriate medication and help the patient to understand how his medication works, the possible side effects and how he should take the drugs for optimum result.

In all, healthcare is more of a symbiotic relationship between all the players involved.
Guy as a pharmacist myself,you are spot on with your submission.
God bless you

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Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by teepsee(f): 9:39am On Nov 01, 2016
toprealman:
Now paraphrasing your question: What is the usefulness of your medical doctor uncles and the nurses surrounding you....including your mum. Reflect on your answer and do have a wonderful day bro.
bro learn how not to take this too personal, i was referring to the post not the profession. So i don't see how it relates to my uncles or mom.


Well na u get ur mouth, but at the main time, i think this will be alyt to calm you down.


Have a nice day sir grin

Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by tohpahz(f): 9:42am On Nov 01, 2016
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Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by Plus234(m): 9:43am On Nov 01, 2016
Emeskhalifa:
Reminds me of Nurse Metuh grin

and Nurse Eliza

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Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by toprealman: 9:45am On Nov 01, 2016
teepsee:
bro learn how not to take this too personal, i was referring to the post not the profession. So i don't see how it relates to my uncles or mom.


Well na u get ur mouth, but at the main time, i think this will be alyt to calm you down.


Have a nice day sir grin
Referring to both the list and profession. No hard FEELS!
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by tohpahz(f): 9:45am On Nov 01, 2016
Lagusta:
You all should remember that this article is talking about AMERICAN NURSES and NURSE PRACTICIONERS, who are nurses that have undergone advanced training to the extent that they can now diagnose common ailments and prescribe drugs, since doctors are scarce everywhere....

Please NEVER compare a foreign trained nurse to one nurse that finished from school of nursing.....

The only nurses I really give respect and regards are the graduate nurses, they went to the university, did a five year course, learned the real art and practice of nursing, there their training can be at par with the American nurses...

All other auxiliaries and those lazy "school of nursing" nurses need to take a chill pill......

Ok.
'Lazy school of nursing nurses"
U haven't said the truth o.

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Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by DollyParton1(f): 9:52am On Nov 01, 2016
Lagusta:
You all should remember that this article is talking about AMERICAN NURSES and NURSE PRACTICIONERS, who are nurses that have undergone advanced training to the extent that they can now diagnose common ailments and prescribe drugs, since doctors are scarce everywhere....

Please NEVER compare a foreign trained nurse to one nurse that finished from school of nursing.....

The only nurses I really give respect and regards are the graduate nurses, they went to the university, did a five year course, learned the real art and practice of nursing, there their training can be at par with the American nurses...

All other auxiliaries and those lazy "school of nursing" nurses need to take a chill pill......
You know nothing about what you are writing on.
Your post reeks of ignorance.

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Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by DollyParton1(f): 9:56am On Nov 01, 2016
eleojo23:


Pharmacists can't prescribe for every disease.
Not because they don't know what to prescribe but because,treating an illness is more than just prescribing drugs.

There are a lot of things to consider in prescribing drugs. There could be co-morbidities which the pharmacists may not be aware of and these can only be revealed by investigations ordered by a doctor.
There are comobidities that are obvious but there are many which can only be revealed by detailed investigations that only a doctor is trained to do.
Some drugs need therapeutic drug monitoring which can only be carried out in the hospital under the supervision of a doctor with inputs from the pharmacist.

So the pharmacist has his limit in prescribing, not because he doesn't know what to prescribe, but because there are a lot more things to consider beside the obvious presenting symptoms of the patient.

Some diseases are not easy to diagnose because there could be up to five different diseases with similar symptoms. The pharmacist is trained to know symptoms of various diseases but he has his limits. This is where you need a doctor- the expert in diagnosis.
Once the doctor has confirmed the diagnosis, the pharmacist can help to choose the appropriate medication and help the patient to understand how his medication works, the possible side effects and how he should take the drugs for optimum result.

In all, healthcare is more of a symbiotic relationship between all the players involved.
Y'all like to butter up things though.
Pharmacists help Doctors choose the appropriate drugs? Really

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