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Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by bukatyne(f): 3:55pm On Nov 10, 2016
The world was shocked when Donald Trump 'hilariously trumped' Hillary Clinton and there was definitely several lessons to be learnt. Personally, I learnt:

1. Never Say Never: Donald graduated from a man with no political experience to become the POTUS....

2. The Social Media is powerful yet not as powerful as it seems: Going by the SM polls and atmosphere, one would have thought Hillary would win by a landslide however...

3. Discern the people that matter: Hillary was canvassing to the Blacks and Latinos (most of whom probably were not eligible to vote); Donald went to the core voters... The white men. Also, American's electoral voting system means some states are weightier than others. Imagine jacking all day for a 2units course and leaving your 6unit project to chance.

4. Strike the people that matter in the right place: Trump hit the white men/women where they wanted... Blacks are too much in their country and they wanted them out etc. His political incorrectness interestingly worked for him

5. You don't have to be good to be liked/wanted: Donald Trump cool/ He did not have to be like 'Gentleman Obama' to get same results.

6. Turn your lemons to lemonade: With all the negative press, Donald's campaign team managed and rode on the negatives to success

7. People do not always mean what they say/ say what they mean: Who would have thought Trump would have any supporter/ vote with all the 'he is anti-woman/anti-gay/anti-black/anti-(fill in the gap)'? Who would have believed that the same women/Black/Latinos would vote for him more than Hillary? According to Huffington post, majority of the women, blacks & Latinos voted Trump.

8. No knowledge is 'lost': Donald did not have the experience/knowlegde of politricks however he is a successful business man and he brought his business sense to the campaign/ movement. He fitted his gift into the suitation and utilized it well.

This also confirmed that beneath the façade of liberalism and modern-feminism, Americans are a very conservative and traditional lot.

What did you learn?


*modified to include point 8

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Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by Mindfulness: 4:00pm On Nov 10, 2016
[size=18pt]Believe in yourself! Be full of yourself! [/size]

That's the only thing I admire about him and that's the only thing we have in common character-wise. grin

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Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by Edwinmason(m): 4:07pm On Nov 10, 2016
sometimes hard work does not pay

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Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by bukatyne(f): 4:32pm On Nov 10, 2016
Edwinmason:
sometimes hard work does not pay

Please explain

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Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by bukatyne(f): 4:41pm On Nov 10, 2016
Mindfulness:
[size=18pt]Believe in yourself! Be full of yourself! [/size]

That's the only thing I admire about him and that's the only thing we have in common character-wise. grin

That Donald is really full of himself cheesy cool

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Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by Mindfulness: 4:42pm On Nov 10, 2016
bukatyne:


That Donald is really full of himself cheesy cool

How are you dear? Hope all is well? kiss

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Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by carammel(f): 4:43pm On Nov 10, 2016
7. People do not always mean what they say/ say what they mean: Who would have thought Trump would have any supporter/ vote with all the 'he is anti-woman/anti-gay/anti-black/anti-(fill in the gap)'? Who would have believed that the same women/Black/Latinos would vote for him more than Hillary? According to Huffington post, majority of the women, blacks & Latinos voted Trump.

This also confirmed that beneath the façade of liberalism and modern-feminism, Americans are a very conservative and traditional lot.

What did you learn?

This means that women only show they love their fellow women outwardly but deep within them,they would never support a woman to become a leader.

Modern-feminism will have a hard time staying.

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Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by Nobody: 4:50pm On Nov 10, 2016
The posted nude pictures of his wife and mocked her that she will never be a first lady but now she is the first Lady of America.

Lesson learnt
Don't try to pull someone down as a result of their past mistakes cos you might end up pulling him/her further.

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Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by Onegai(f): 5:08pm On Nov 10, 2016
That people prefer to trust their feelings, their religion and their anger over any facts, knowledge, experience and preparedness. And it's okay to do whatever the hell you want to do, as long as you can tap into the popular feeling going around, you will win people over. And then screw them later. Very Nigerian behaviour. Which is what I have constantly said about Americans.

So most likely Ayo Fayose is our next President. You heard it here first! grin

Strangely, I keep seeing pictures and videos of white teens in schools chanting "go home niggurs", "cotton pickers", "white power", "build the wall" and a uni in San Diego has had an attack on a Muslim girl. Wonder what's causing all this? I mean, Trump is great for America, he's a Christian, we Nigerians (whom are Black) love himmm!!!

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Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by Edwinmason(m): 5:55pm On Nov 10, 2016
bukatyne:


Please explain
who would imagine that after all the hardwork of hillary clinton she would lose this way

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Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by Timbuktuo: 6:13pm On Nov 10, 2016
Bukatyne:

Isn't it strange that women want a woman to be president just for the sake of it? And any man who doesn't vote a woman is a misogynist who isn't ready for a woman president. grin. Never mind that more white women voted Trump than Hillary. Trump got 53% of the white woman's vote. grin. Le Trump also got 45% of college educated white women voted to Hillary's 51%. I could go on and on about the statistics of voting but that would probably be pointless. But the media will try to tell you it's uneducated, basement-deelling white men who voted Trump in. Bullshit. Bullshit, I say.

But I think the most important lesson for you should be never to trust the mainstream media. Forget whatever CNN is saying, they have/had an agenda and pursued it till the very end, and were shocked, shocked I say.

Did you learn from the media about Hillary getting leaked questions to the presidential debates? I guess not. Why? Because they wanted it all hush hush. Guess who leaked the question to Clinton, a CNN operative. Oh, the shock. Now, imagine if it was found out that Trump leaked questions, the furore would be deafening. I guess Hillary is special and untouchable and above the law.

And no, Trump isn't anti-everything, he's anti anything that is anti American welfare.l, and he is not afraid to say so. That is the reason he won because he said he wasgoing to protect the interests of the average American. Trump got millions of black votes, don't get it twisted. The black voters who cast for Clinton are very likely on welfare grin, and that is a great incentive to vote Democrat. The leftwing media is in shock but a certain dude named Michael Moore, a Clinton supporter, expressly stated why Trump would win and it had nothing to do at all with bigotry or racism. This is a guy who hates Trump telling the world Trump's strwnght, but I guess it was a little too late.

Anyway, I'm happy he won. After all, we misogynists do tend to stick together.

What I learned? "Tell Ze haters to go and die."

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Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by lilmax(m): 6:25pm On Nov 10, 2016
be your self....... hillary is fake grin

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Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by Timbuktuo: 6:49pm On Nov 10, 2016
Another thing, this election is interesting in the sense that people who voted fir Hillary did so against Trump rather than because of any confidence in Hillary and vice versa. Trump edged it because more people saw him as the lesser of two evils, which frankly, is how voters on both sides chose on election day.

Hillary also had negative Goodwill because of the Democratic primaries fiasco where it was revealed the primaries were rigged to edge out Sanders and allow Clinton to run as the establishment candidate which many Sanders fan never forgave her for. Some voted Trump, others stayed home.

Truth is she was a defective good, and no amount of marketing can turn a defective good into a quality good.

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Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by Mindfulness: 6:56pm On Nov 10, 2016
Timbuktuo:
Bukatyne:

Isn't it strange that women want a woman to be president just for the sake of it? And any man who doesn't vote a woman is a misogynist who isn't ready for a woman president. grin. Never mind that more white women voted Trump than Hillary. Trump got 53% of the white woman's vote. grin. Le Trump also got 45% of college educated white women voted to Hillary's 51%. I could go on and on about the statistics of voting but that would probably be pointless. But the media will try to tell you it's uneducated, basement-deelling white men who voted Trump in. Bullshit. Bullshit, I say.

But I think the most important lesson for you should be never to trust the mainstream media. Forget whatever CNN is saying, they have/had an agenda and pursued it till the very end, and were shocked, shocked I say.

Did you learn from the media about Hillary getting leaked questions to the presidential debates? I guess not. Why? Because they wanted it all hush hush. Guess who leaked the question to Clinton, a CNN operative. Oh, the shock. Now, imagine if it was found out that Trump leaked questions, the furore would be deafening. I guess Hillary is special and untouchable and above the law.

And no, Trump isn't anti-everything, he's anti anything that is anti American welfare.l, and he is not afraid to say so. That is the reason he won because he said he wasgoing to protect the interests of the average American. Trump got millions of black votes, don't get it twisted. The black voters who cast for Clinton are very likely on welfare grin, and that is a great incentive to vote Democrat. The leftwing media is in shock but a certain dude named Michael Moore, a Clinton supporter, expressly stated why Trump would win and it had nothing to do at all with bigotry or racism. This is a guy who hates Trump telling the world Trump's strwnght, but I guess it was a little too late.

Anyway, I'm happy he won. After all, we misogynists do tend to stick together.

What I learned? "Tell Ze haters to go and die."

What a contradiction!
Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by Timbuktuo: 6:59pm On Nov 10, 2016
Mindfulness:


What a contradiction!


Indeed it is. The very foolishness of identity politics exposed. So while foolish women call men misogynist for not supporting Clinton, the wise ones are making their decisions on more enduring reasons. tongue

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Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by cococandy(f): 7:01pm On Nov 10, 2016
The main lesson to learn is that most of them are still in their hearts racist, misogynist, homophobic and whatever else Trump represents.

It means never relax in the fight against segregation and discrimination because it's only the laws that keep people 'good'. When they have the chance to be themselves without repercussions, their anti-other-humans-who-are-not-like-us sides will come glaring.

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Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by ndcide(m): 7:03pm On Nov 10, 2016
All I see is the level of sickening narrow mindedness of people foolishly thinking they are always correct with who they love politically and the other person is therefore wrong.

They tell me that I'm wrong to support GEJ in 2015 and they are right to support buhari.

One and half years latter, they still feel they were not quite right to support buhari but insist I was wrong to support GEJ.

This same kind of persons, feel they are right to support Hillary Clinton and others have no good reason to support Donald Trump.

My question is what exactly makes their sentiments the standard for correctness or being right.

I see many of them all over the place and I SMH in disgust.

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Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by cococandy(f): 7:07pm On Nov 10, 2016
On the other hand I hope he surprises us all to become the exact opposite of what people expect.

Until then he doesn't have my respect. He's never respected Obama so he should not expect others to hand it to him. He has to earn it.

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Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by Mindfulness: 7:07pm On Nov 10, 2016
carammel:


This means that women only show they love their fellow women outwardly but deep within them,they would never support a woman to become a leader.

Modern-feminism will have a hard time staying.

So I must support a woman even if I do not agree to her political agenda? Like seriously?

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Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by Mindfulness: 7:11pm On Nov 10, 2016
cococandy:
The main lesson to learn is that most of them are still in their hearts racist, misogynist, homophobic and whatever else Trump represents.

It means never relax in the fight against segregation and discrimination because it's only the laws that keep people 'good'. When they have the chance to be themselves without repercussions, their anti-other-humans-who-are-not-like-us sides will come glaring.

Most of them? Trump did not even get the majority of popular vote, which means that more voters than not voted for Hillary. We should be careful.
Moreover, many voters did not vote for Trump because he made racist remarks but despite them.


Apart from this, I know many Nigerians who support Trump. I was talking to someone yesterday who wanted Trump to win because Obama was 'forcing homosexuality down his throat' and Hillary was the same. In a nutshell, he would rather vote for someone who makes racist remarks than someone who supports homosexuality.

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Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by Mindfulness: 7:13pm On Nov 10, 2016
Timbuktuo:


Indeed it is. The very foolishness of identity politics exposed. So while foolish women call men misogynist for not supporting Clinton, the wise ones are making their decisions on more enduring reasons. tongue

You are making stuff up, aren't you?
Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by cococandy(f): 7:15pm On Nov 10, 2016
Electoral votes. The ones that really matter. I should have made that clearer.

Mindfulness:


Most of them? Trump did not even get the majority of popular vote
, which means that more voters than not voted for Hillary. We should be careful.
Moreover, many voters did not vote for Trump because he made racist remarks but despite them.


Apart from this, I know many Nigerians who support Trump. I was talking to someone yesterday who wanted Trump to win because Obama was 'forcing homosexuality down his throat' and Hillary was the same. In a nutshell, he would rather vote for someone who makes racist remarks than someone who supports homosexuality.

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Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by carammel(f): 7:19pm On Nov 10, 2016


This also confirmed that beneath the façade of liberalism and modern-feminism, Americans are a very conservative and traditional lot.

What did you learn?

The above quote led to my comment.

I'm not so intersted in the election and it's outcome.
Mindfulness:

So I must support a woman even if I do not agree to her political agenda,like seriously?
Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by raumdeuter: 7:22pm On Nov 10, 2016
timbuktou

Timbuktuo:

Indeed it is. The very foolishness of identity politics exposed. So while foolish women call men misogynist for not supporting Clinton, the wise ones are making their decisions on more enduring reasons. tongue

White women brought feminism and sold it to black women and other races whenever WOmen are voted as presidents in Africa they hail it as the victory for feminism

But the opportunity came for them to break the glass ceiling and empower a white woman for the first time in US history to the highest politcal office, majority of them went back to the comfort of a White man, A white man who is everything feminism is against

5 kids from 3 wives, WHo openly mocks women

WHen do we start to wonder why the seller of the idea doesnt even believe in it

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Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by Timbuktuo: 7:22pm On Nov 10, 2016
Let's also not forget the millions of blacks, Latinos and other minorities who voted this guy. Are they also racist towards themselves and their kind? grin. Diamond and Silk are two black women who have a YouTube channel analysing their support for Trump, there was the Blacks for Trump movement, Latinos for Trump, etc. Peter Thiel, a gay billionaire donated, at least, $25m to Trump. But there was a backlash, a gay group came out and declared "Peter Thiel is no longer gay". grin. I swear, you can't make this up. Identity politics is a symptom of mental imbalance.

When you treat people according to demographics you stand the risk of fostering division.

I would like to ask if it is racist to despise Obamacare and vote for the only candidate who says he's going to repeal it grin. What Hilary said is she'll double down on Obamacare even though most Americans don't want it. They can literally not afford it. Just google Obamacare and see why Americans hate it, and you actually expect them to vote Hillary? grin

Abeg, all dis one na water under bridge.

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Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by Mindfulness: 7:31pm On Nov 10, 2016
cococandy:
Electoral votes. The ones that really matter. I should have made that clearer.


Trump has made racist, islamophobic and sexist remarks but that does not mean that his voters or most of them are racist, sexist or islamophobic.
I would have never voted for him but voting for Hillary would make me lose sleep as well. Americans had the choice between pest and cholera and Trump seemed like the lesser of the two evils to many and for reasons I can understand. Hillary fvcked it all up. She did not have what it takes and her campaign was ineffective. I saw this coming.

Most people are simple. They want simple solutions to complex problems and The Donald had them whereas Hillary was representing the elites that simple people do not understand and do not trust. The same elites that they feel betrayed them.

These elections pretty much remind me of the Brexit disaster. Take back control was the slogan that made people feel strong and powerful again when in fact Brexit means the opposite but looking back at how the Brexiters campaigned, it was much more effective as it appealed to people in simple terms. Make America great again is a better slogan than Stronger Together.

It is all about how you sell yourself but I am pretty happy Brexiters won and Trump did so too. They must deliver now. The NHS has not seen all the millions they were promised yet and will not see them ever. grin

I want to see the wall Trump promised to build and have Mexicans pay for it. And I want to see how he will successfully isolate the USA in times of globalization, boost the economy and create the jobs. I am also waiting for more populists to govern Europe. People will be hungry soon. History repeats itself. I wish we could avoid it but since every Dick and Harry acts like an expert on politics and economics nowadays, let them deliver.

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Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by raumdeuter: 7:32pm On Nov 10, 2016
Its also funny when some posters on this forum brag about how the West and America is the standard and would tell us this can only happen in Nigeria/Africa

I wonder if in Nigeria a man who

- Has 5 kids from 3 wives and was openly cheating on each of them, actually he took the 1st and 2nd to a holiday resort to fight it out
- Openly said if he came home and doesnt meet food on his table he loses it
- Says you have to treat women like shitt
- Babies and pregnancy are an inconvenience
- Insults a woman by referring to "Blood coming out of her everywhere
- Calls women pigs sluts, bimbos fat and every degrading name

Is now voted as President

Nigerian women would have sworn this cant happen in advanced countries and berate Africa for all wrong in the world

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Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by Mindfulness: 7:34pm On Nov 10, 2016
Raumdeuter and Timbuktou, take your obsession with feminism to another thread. You are men but act like petty pvssies, seriously. angry We are talking politics here, you are here obsessing over feminism. Get over it.

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Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by raumdeuter: 7:35pm On Nov 10, 2016
Mindfulness:
Rumdeuter and Timbuktou, take your obsession with feminism to another thread. You are men but act like petty pvssies, seriously. angry We are talking politics here, you are here obsessing over feminism. Get over it.

Grab them by the Pvssies baby

The leader of the world you all see as the perfect societies is a PVssy grabber

GOP - Grabber of Poossies

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Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by Mindfulness: 7:39pm On Nov 10, 2016
raumdeuter:


Grab them by the Pvssies baby

Being a declining world power makes people lose it, just like hunger does. Sexism and xenophobia are nothing but symptoms. It's the same everywhere. wink

Do you feel better now? grin

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Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by raumdeuter: 7:50pm On Nov 10, 2016
Mindfulness:
Being a declining world power makes people lose it, just like hunger does. Sexism and xenophobia are nothing but symptoms. It's the same everywhere. wink

Do you feel better now? grin

No, I actually think the idea that women wanted to be treated the modern way vs the traditional way, Is actually to sell to the media most dont actually believe it
The ideas they sell on paper is against what they believe

Most women especially white women desire a man like Trump and to be treated like Trump says. What policy does Trump really have that will make you support a man who openly denigrates people like you for their biological makeup

I recently posted an article that many women find guys who stay home, doing chores and helping out undesirable and choose the alpha males who dont

I have attended several churches and gathering in the US that are white dominated and most of the women dont work and dont want any of those women liberation stuff, They actually bully and lash at women who choose to work even ganging up on them names for not doing what nature wants females to do

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Re: Lessons I Learnt From 2016 US Presidental Elections: Donald Trump's Victory by KillerPriest: 7:52pm On Nov 10, 2016
I learned – well, weeks before the campaign – that while Hilary was the World's choice, Trump was America's choice.

I learned America is a conservative nation at its core despite the veneer of liberalism that it hedges up.

I learned populism is an almost fail-proof stategy in winning, especially when the masses are the prime determinant.

I also learned -- no, not learned -- I witnessed what I had always known about Democracy — that it could be evil when franchise is accorded the informed, the uninformed, and the ill-informed.

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Mindfulness, you are correct in all, especially in your last reply to cococandy.
In the end Americans voted for theatricality and rhetoric. The same way Nigerians did in 2015 when the mantra of change was tactically used in creating an emotionally-charged campaign atmosphere.
What better way to win over the hoi polloi than through an ample dosage of pathos?

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