achorladey:
DoctorAlien: Another important fact is the harmony of the entire books of the Bible. We know that no part of the Bible contradicts another, "for GOD is not the author of confusion, but of peace..." 1 Cor. 14:33.
Achorladey: My own question is, why is it difficult to acknowledge that, if Jesus was indeed (God of old testament) and Jesus(God of new testament) has a head as well? Why? Afterall apostle Paul wrote both 1 Corinthians 11:3 and 1 Corinthians 14 :33. Can he(Paul) be confused as well? Please mind the word ''if''.

sonmvayina:
the old testament has got nothing to do with the new testament....they are basically 2 different religions. and ideologies..it is explicitly stated in the old testament time and time again..''God is not a man''...and had no intention of making a woman pregnant to bear a son or child. the first commandment specifically warned them not to serve any other God beside this particular God that choose the Jews ( Deuteronomy 32:7)..he choose them, they where his people and he was their God..they Jews knew they were other Gods but only worship this particular God. to worship another was punishable by death and to worship a man was a big idolatry to the Jews, this particular God warned them not to make any idol of him.the Romans where surprised that when they got to the temple in Jerusalem, they did not find any..they only stole their writ tings( law and prophets)

sonmvayina:
the old testament has got nothing to do with the new testament....they are basically 2 different religions. and ideologies..it is explicitly stated in the old testament time and time again.. ''God is not a man''...and had no intention of making a woman pregnant to bear a son or child. the first commandment specifically warned them not to serve any other God beside this particular God that choose the Jews ( Deuteronomy 32:7) ..he choose them, they where his people and he was their God..they Jews knew they were other Gods but only worship this particular God. to worship another was punishable by death and to worship a man was a big idolatry to the Jews, this particular God warned them not to make any idol of him.the Romans where surprised that when they got to the temple in Jerusalem, they did not find any..they only stole their writ tings( law and prophets)

Christianity on the other hand is the cult of Inana and her beloved Dimuzi or Tammuz, which originated from Babylon, they stole the Jewish writings and super glued their '' Confra'' manual to the Tanaka...to discourage the Jews from waiting for the messiah..

- You shall have no other gods before me.

- You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
- You shall not bow down to them or worship them;

DoctorAlien:
The Bible should be the only creed of the Christian. And as such, in matters concerning doctrine, the Christian knows that there are only two sides: the wrong teaching and the biblical teaching.

Another important fact is the harmony of the entire books of the Bible. We know that no part of the Bible contradicts another, "for GOD is not the author of confusion, but of peace..." 1 Cor. 14:33. Therefore, a Christian understands that:

1. The Bible is totally in harmony, and is devoid of any form of contradiction.

How could you make this deliberate false claim? More than a thousand times, here on this NL, your Bible has been presented to you as one single fictional book that failed story consistency and rationality (full of perceptible and confirmed conflictions and contradictions).

Stop this jokes plsssssssssssssss.....

2. Perceived contradictions in the Bible will be cleared up if the Bible is diligently studied with the help of the Holy Spirit.

The contradictions are not only perceptible, but confirmed.

3. It is grossly wrong to base a doctrine on just a verse of the Bible, and that the entire books of the Bible must be consulted to find out their harmonious opinion on a matter, before conclusion can be drawn.

Verses upon verses, and precept upon precept, whatever is harmonious in the bible, is based on the "the God in whom there's no good or evil" concept (if God does evil, he can't be questioned). What a God?

4. If a verse of the Bible appears to contradict a host of other which are in harmony on an issue, a better understanding of that verse must be sought.

wirinet:


That is food for thought. If the 21st 2nd and 3rd commandments states;


Why then do the christians add two other Gods to Yahweh to make 3. Why do the christians add a jewish man - Jesus and a holy spirit to the Jewish God to make three Gods in one.

If God wanted to equate others to himself, he would have said so in the commandment given to moses.

DoctorAlien:


"A virgin shall conceive and bear a Son..." Does that sound familiar?

You need to read more.

sonmvayina:


you are the dullest person i have seen on this forum...am sorry to say..that was a sign for king Ahab,

Splinz:


Hello Canticles, you're more of a scoffer—ignorant fellow than a teacher. If you're disagreeing with the op's position and wish to enlighten him, there're standards that befits and suits a teacher, which the apostle Paul communicated to Timothy. Here, "And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kindly to everyone, an apt teacher, patient, correcting opponents with gentleness..." (2 Timothy 24-25). But regrettably, you're running foul of these instructions by trying to ridicule him, and worse still, also ignorantly & confidently making assertions without understanding either what you're saying or the things about which you assert (1 Timothy 1:6-7).

Now, the crux of the matter. The op has conveniently established that Jesus is the same as God of the old testament, and I absolutely agrees with him because it is simply the truth!



Absolutely yes! Here's the proof: “And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they [ancient Israel] drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ” (I Cor. 10:4). Again, this is one unmistakably proof among many others, that the God the patriarchs served and worshiped was Jesus Christ! What can be plainer than this, or do you still need more proofs?

You can't cheery-pick scriptural verses that seems to suit your belly in this matter, and bluntly ignored the many other verses that runs contrary, examples are (John 1:1-3, 14, Hebrews 1:8-10, 7:3, etc). Ignoring these truths and focusing only on Jesus earthly life breeds contradictions (where there's none), confusion, denial and hypocrisy. Understand that God is not the author of confusion but of peace (1 Corinthians 14:33).

Now, if you're lacking knowledge of why Jesus needed another God while He was on earth, even though He was God, then humbly ask for it and the answer will be provided. Bye now.

Is your Bible contradicting itself ?

But Act 3 vs 13 says Jesus is just a servant of the God of the old testament , Is the Bible confuse ?

MizJanet:




Is your Bible contradicting itself ?

But Act 3 vs 13 says Jesus is just a servant of the God of the old testament , Is the Bible confuse ?

MizJanet:




Is your Bible contradicting itself ?

But Act 3 vs 13 says Jesus is just a servant of the God of the old testament , Is the Bible confuse ?

Splinz:


It's either you're lacking in comprehension skills or simply drooling in foolery.

Piece of advice. Go and sharpen your comprehension skills, or better still, go back and read my post for at least five(5) times.

ujiriukiri:
@hahn in the first few replies accurately described the god of the old testament with verses from the bible.
Then christians pick one or two verses that say god never contradicts itself.

If I write a book and a line in the book says "This book is the best book ever written and cannot be disputed", does this make the book factual? What makes a book factual is the validity and truth in its content. The bible has proved otherwise!

I'll say again, if christians actually read the bible, we'll see less of them. They rather read only the parts their pastors have culled for them.

You take it all or leave it all!

DoctorAlien:


If the sign was for King Ahab alone:

1. Has it been fulfilled?

2. Which baby fulfilled it?

3. Which virgin conceived?

4. Was the Baby called Immanuel?

5. If the Baby was called Immanuel, where was that?

Did you also note that Ahaz never asked a sign of the LORD? And that when the LORD was about to speak the sign, He said "Hear now, O House of David"?

10 Moreover the LORD spake again unto Ahaz, saying,
11 Ask thee a sign of the LORD thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above.
12 But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the LORD.
13 And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?
14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.
16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.
17 The LORD shall bring upon thee, and upon thy people, and upon thy father's house, days that have not come, from the day that Ephraim departed from Judah; even the king of Assyria.

Barristter07:

Splinz



A popular quote says a Chain is only as strong as its weakest link

Rather than insulting those who present Act 3:13 to you ( with what I read in that verse , it logically destroy this thread) , can you just kindly explain that scripture for proper clarification ?

Splinz:


That's no insult, it's simply answering her accordingly.

I can discern a true seeker and one who simply want to scoff. I'm not cut out for useless wrangling.

Acts 3:13 doesn't destroy anything, but is in perfect harmony with the rest of scripture!

However, for the sake of those who sincerely seeks to understand the seemingly contradictions (not that there's any), I'd devote time towards clearing the confusion when I'm less busy.

wirinet:


This is the exact verses you are referring to;



Please can you explain how you relate this promise made to ahaz to jesus?
Was Jesus named Immanuel? From what we know, he was not named even Jesus. He was said to have been named Joshua.

Barristter07:



I will be expecting your explanation on the said verse

Both Beings worked together in one mindset. There was no room for envy, pride or selfish ambition, for God is love (I John 4:16)—and love “is kind; [it] envies not…vaunts not itself, is not puffed up, does not behave itself unseemly, seeks not her own, is not easily provoked, thinks no evil; rejoices not in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth…[Love] never fails” (I Cor. 13:4-6, .

wirinet:


This is the exact verses you are referring to;



Please can you explain how you relate this promise made to ahaz to jesus?
Was Jesus named Immanuel? From what we know, he was not named even Jesus. He was said to have been named Joshua.

wirinet:


That is food for thought. If the 21st 2nd and 3rd commandments states;


Why then do the christians add two other Gods to Yahweh to make 3. Why do the christians add a jewish man - Jesus and a holy spirit to the Jewish God to make three Gods in one.

If God wanted to equate others to himself, he would have said so in the commandment given to moses.

Who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross (Philippians 2:6-8, RSV).

Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death— even death on a cross! (New International Version)

Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. (New Living Translation)

Splinz:
"The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant Jesus..." (Acts 3:13)



The above scripture sets the tone for our next discussion. Here, we see that the "God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob" glorified His servant Jesus. No doubt, a careless reading of this verse seems to suggest that Jesus was merely a servant of God that was "glorified".

Yes, it is true that Jesus was a servant of God while on earth—He prayed and relied on God for all of His needs. Even the messages He brought was from God, same with all His miracles—everything!

Some people, because of Jesus dependency on God for everything, often laughed off the idea that is He is God too. One among some of the questions they asked is: "How can God pray to God"?. Indeed, why did He (God) prayed to another God

I have already confidently asserted and established according to scriptures that Jesus is the same God that the patriarchs worshiped and served (1 Cor. 10:4). Also, having thoroughly dealt with the Person of God as it is and was in the beginning, Acts 3:13 becomes self-explanatory!

Why Jesus Needed Another God

Before His eventual birth as flesh and blood human, prophecies were given about His coming (Isaiah 7:14), and He was to be known as the son/servant of God (Luke 1:32, Deuteronomy 18:18). Now, since His birth was of divine origin—of the holy spirit, it then becomes clear as to why God claimed responsibility—fatherhood, of the child, since His (Jesus) mission on earth was a mutual agreement between the two to save their creation—man, from eternal death.

What Changed?

What really changed in Jesus as "an eternal God Being" and a "son/servant of God"? What was the missing link? How did an all-powerful God suddenly becomes a helpless, puny and needy man? Lets find out what happened—what changed.







I quoted these three translation for clarity purpose—to grasp the amazing understanding here! Jesus, though being God, had to emptied His glory as God having found Himself as a man! It was only right for Him to do so, since man is man and God is God—never both. However, the only difference between Jesus and other men was that He was of divine origin and full of the holy spirit right from birth.

So, it was this emptiness—relinquish of powers, to His better-half (God the Father), that made Jesus became a son/servant of God! And note that He did this thing of His own accord! (John 10:18). Now, there are two possible reasons for this emptiness: (1). To successfully complete His mission on earth, which is supremely to die for the sins of the world. (2). To fulfill prophecies. Having earlier described God, it is now very easy to understand their relationship—purely love based. In fact, it is only when you understand the relationship between these two Personages (God), that you can successfully love anyone!

So friends, I believed that I've successfully lay bare the misunderstanding and seemingly contradictions regarding Jesus preexistence and sonship. Armed with this understanding, we can better appreciate Jesus for who He is, and the supreme sacrifice He paid for mankind. I tell you, nobody would wield such an enormous and unfettered powers as Jesus did, only to relinquish it and suffer in the hands of puny men—His own creation! But He did it after all, for you and I! Little wonder then why "He was highly exalted and given a name that is above every other name, that at the name of Jesus, every knee should bow in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Philippians 2:9-11). Glory be to God!

Finally, even if this understanding is still veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing (2 Cor. 4:3).

Splinz:
"The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant Jesus..." (Acts 3:13)



The above scripture sets the tone for our next discussion. Here, we see that the "God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob" glorified His servant Jesus. No doubt, a careless reading of this verse seems to suggest that Jesus was merely a servant of God that was "glorified".

Yes, it is true that Jesus was a servant of God while on earth—He prayed and relied on God for all of His needs. Even the messages He brought was from God, same with all His miracles—everything!

Some people, because of Jesus dependency on God for everything, often laughed off the idea that is He is God too. One among some of the questions they asked is: "How can God pray to God"?. Indeed, why did He (God) prayed to another God

I have already confidently asserted and established according to scriptures that Jesus is the same God that the patriarchs worshiped and served (1 Cor. 10:4). Also, having thoroughly dealt with the Person of God as it is and was in the beginning, Acts 3:13 becomes self-explanatory!

Why Jesus Needed Another God

Before His eventual birth as flesh and blood human, prophecies were given about His coming (Isaiah 7:14), and He was to be known as the son/servant of God (Luke 1:32, Deuteronomy 18:18). Now, since His birth was of divine origin—of the holy spirit, it then becomes clear as to why God claimed responsibility—fatherhood, of the child, since His (Jesus) mission on earth was a mutual agreement between the two to save their creation—man, from eternal death.

What Changed?

What really changed in Jesus as "an eternal God Being" and a "son/servant of God"? What was the missing link? How did an all-powerful God suddenly becomes a helpless, puny and needy man? Lets find out what happened—what changed.







I quoted these three translation for clarity purpose—to grasp the amazing understanding here! Jesus, though being God, had to emptied His glory as God having found Himself as a man! It was only right for Him to do so, since man is man and God is God—never both. However, the only difference between Jesus and other men was that He was of divine origin and full of the holy spirit right from birth.

So, it was this emptiness—relinquish of powers, to His better-half (God the Father), that made Jesus became a son/servant of God! And note that He did this thing of His own accord! (John 10:18). Now, there are two possible reasons for this emptiness: (1). To successfully complete His mission on earth, which is supremely to die for the sins of the world. (2). To fulfill prophecies. Having earlier described God, it is now very easy to understand their relationship—purely love based. In fact, it is only when you understand the relationship between these two Personages (God), that you can successfully love anyone!

So friends, I believed that I've successfully lay bare the misunderstanding and seemingly contradictions regarding Jesus preexistence and sonship. Armed with this understanding, we can better appreciate Jesus for who He is, and the supreme sacrifice He paid for mankind. I tell you, nobody would wield such an enormous and unfettered powers as Jesus did, only to relinquish it and suffer in the hands of puny men—His own creation! But He did it after all, for you and I! Little wonder then why "He was highly exalted and given a name that is above every other name, that at the name of Jesus, every knee should bow in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Philippians 2:9-11). Glory be to God!

Finally, even if this understanding is still veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing (2 Cor. 4:3).

DoctorAlien:
Barristter07,

The concept of a second Person in the GOD Family who is worthy of homage just like the Father is, is seen in Psa. 2:12 which reads "Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."

It is also recorded here that those who put their trust in this Son are blessed. This Son could not have been a man, for "Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man..." Jer. 17:5

This Son can, also, not be an angel, for "Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly:" Job 4:18. If GOD charged His angels with folly, then He could not ask us to put our trust in an angel.

This leaves us with only one option: this Son being talked about in Psa. 2:12 is GOD! Prov. 3:5-8 and Psa.118:8 instructs us to trust only GOD. And since trust can be put in this Son, He must be GOD.