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Atheists How Is This Possible.(Viewers Discretion is Advised) by peacesamuel94(m): 2:13pm On Dec 04, 2016
Many atheists reject the claims of theists concerning miracles, because most ones they've happened to come across can easily be arranged. So i would like to see your reaction as well as the logical explanation you would give for the one below.


Happy watching !



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdxmUc_jY_A

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Re: Atheists How Is This Possible.(Viewers Discretion is Advised) by accountbalance: 2:35pm On Dec 04, 2016
That guy there has a long term working relationship with the church. Why do you think he comes back regularly to confirm the story? In the art of deceit, that is what they call planted miracle, he will still come back to give the same testimony when he is 50 years.

Where is the evidence that what he had was truly eye cancer?

He mentioned in his testimony that the eye bursted and pus came out when the pastor prayed for him, I didnt see that in the video.

There is no true evidence in the video that the pastor did anything. Majority of the events happened behind the scene so why should anyone believe it?

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Re: Atheists How Is This Possible.(Viewers Discretion is Advised) by peacesamuel94(m): 5:22pm On Dec 04, 2016
accountbalance:
That guy there has a long term working relationship with the church. Why do you think he comes back regularly to confirm the story? In the art of deceit, that is what they call planted miracle, he will still come back to give the same testimony when he is 50 years.

Where is the evidence that what he had was truly eye cancer?

He mentioned in his testimony that the eye bursted and pus came out when the pastor prayed for him, I didnt see that in the video.

There is no true evidence in the video that the pastor did anything. Majority of the events happened behind the scene so why should anyone believe it?



Out of desperation to prove something wrong you ended up typing out of point.
hère is another case of eye cancer, you recongnize the similarity ?

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Re: Atheists How Is This Possible.(Viewers Discretion is Advised) by accountbalance: 5:48pm On Dec 04, 2016
peacesamuel94:




Out of desperation to prove something wrong you ended up typing out of point.
hère is another case of eye cancer, you recongnize the similarity ?

Must you resort to abuse. I thought I was engaging a matured mind. Good luck in your purported miracle believe.

BTW, the media you're putting up might be irritating to some people.
Re: Atheists How Is This Possible.(Viewers Discretion is Advised) by peacesamuel94(m): 7:10pm On Dec 04, 2016
accountbalance:


Must you resort to abuse. I thought I was engaging a matured mind. Good luck in your purported miracle believe.

BTW, the media you're putting up might be irritating to some people.


Not at all, no one is trying to insult you, and sorry if my initial post sounds abusive, what i was trying to say was that, the sum up of the video you gave was too onesided, you were rather too bent On proving the inauthenticity of the miracle, instead of putting other things into consideration.


OK i Will edit the topic.

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Re: Atheists How Is This Possible.(Viewers Discretion is Advised) by ScienceWatch: 7:45pm On Dec 04, 2016
peacesamuel94:



on point bro.
There are too many people that believe lies about this truly great church Scoan in Nigeria.
The hidden motives are now obvious for all to see.

have come to understand that all religions including most of so-called Christian leaders wrongly impart a theoretical understanding of God.
While Christ came to rectify this serious weakness by freely giving awesome practical demonstrations of what the true worship of God
must produce in fallen human life as witnessed 24 hrs daily on Emmanuel TV and youtube.com

Through the mind-blowing demonstrations of Gods power and Love for all suffering Humanity, Christ proved that He is the only true Messiah firstly to his chosen and anointed ones. He never intended for pastors to become glorified motivational speakers without the WORKS (Miracle healing, Deliverance from evil spirits, etc.)

Examine what Christ is saying about Himself and the miraculous WORKS.
John 5:36 But I have a greater witness than that of John: for the WORKS which the Father hath given me to finish, the same WORKS that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

What are these WORKS that Jesus always refer to ?
They are the miracles, prophecy, signs and wonders. Jesus also instructs all pastors, ministers, evangelists to do the same, He says to them, ”As my father sent me, so send I you.”
Re: Atheists How Is This Possible.(Viewers Discretion is Advised) by peacesamuel94(m): 7:56pm On Dec 04, 2016
ScienceWatch:
There are too many people that believe lies about this truly great church Scoan in Nigeria.
The hidden motives are now obvious for all to see.

have come to understand that all religions including most of so-called Christian leaders wrongly impart a theoretical understanding of God.
While Christ came to rectify this serious weakness by freely giving awesome practical demonstrations of what the true worship of God
must produce in fallen human life as witnessed 24 hrs daily on Emmanuel TV and youtube.com

Through the mind-blowing demonstrations of Gods power and Love for all suffering Humanity, Christ proved that He is the only true Messiah firstly to his chosen and anointed ones. He never intended for pastors to become glorified motivational speakers without the WORKS (Miracle healing, Deliverance from evil spirits, etc.)

Examine what Christ is saying about Himself and the miraculous WORKS.
John 5:36 But I have a greater witness than that of John: for the WORKS which the Father hath given me to finish, the same WORKS that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

What are these WORKS that Jesus always refer to ?
They are the miracles, prophecy, signs and wonders. Jesus also instructs all pastors, ministers, evangelists to do the same, He says to them, ”As my father sent me, so send I you.”


Very true, the proof of God's existence is not strictly theoretical, there are numerous day to day occurrences(miracles) that points to this fact. They might not be logical to the rational mind, but it doesn't out rule the fact that they happen.

Logic as well as our human perception of things will always adjust to fit into reality and not the other way round.
Re: Atheists How Is This Possible.(Viewers Discretion is Advised) by accountbalance: 8:10pm On Dec 04, 2016
peacesamuel94:



Not at all, no one is trying to insult you, and sorry if my initial post sounds abusive, what i was trying to say was that, the sum up of the video you gave was too onesided, you were rather too bent On proving the inauthenticity of the miracle, instead of putting other things into consideration.


OK i Will edit the topic.

Now you are talking, so let's talk.

First of all, am not being one sided. If you read my first post very well, you will notice that I never outrightly said the miracle was a lie, in fact I was surprised when you said I typed out of point.

Let me clearly state my concerns clearly again:

1. Why does the guy keep coming back to give the same testimony that has happened years ago. Doesn't this show that the church has a relationship with him. To me, this looks more like a PR stunt in any business.

2. About the picture, I say it again. I don't see a total evidence to be assured that the boy really had eye cancer. You can't just post a picture and ask us to compare. Besides, the picture you posted isn't exactly the same as that of the one in the video. The boy in the video had the affected eye totally closed while the latter boy could still open his eyes. It would have been better if the boy truly brought a doctor's confirmation to show that he truly has eye cancer. For all I know, what the boy had could have just been a very highly infected boil, I could be wrong as regards that as well as you. Only a doctor could have ascertained what illness he had.

3. I also want you to sincerely tell me if you saw anywhere in the video where the swollen eye bursted and pus came out.

4. About your other friend claiming atheists have mental illnesses, I just smile. I didn't bother to read the rest of his comment. It lacks objectivity and sounds more like some junks he lifted off Internet. I will advise that you do not follow his footsteps. Have an open mind and see the truth for what it is. No one is trying to disprove anyone, am only interested in setting out the facts and letting out what is true.

Honestly, I will lean towards your beliefs if you have good evidence and can engage me logically.

He also mentioned that someone was trying to disprove the authenticity of the mentioned church. I believe he wasn't referring to me because I didn't even mention the name of the church, not now or then.

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Re: Atheists How Is This Possible.(Viewers Discretion is Advised) by peacesamuel94(m): 8:44pm On Dec 04, 2016
accountbalance:


Now you are talking, so let's talk.

First of all, am not being one sided. If you read my first post very well, you will notice that I never outrightly said the miracle was a lie, in fact I was surprised when you said I typed out of point.

Let me clearly state my concerns clearly again:

1. Why does the guy keep coming back to give the same testimony that has happened years ago. Doesn't this show that the church has a relationship with him. To me, this looks more like a PR stunt in any business.

2. About the picture, I say it again. I don't see a total evidence to be assured that the boy really had eye cancer. You can't just post a picture and ask us to compare. Besides, the picture you posted isn't exactly the same as that of the one in the video. The boy in the video had the affected eye totally closed while the latter boy could still open his eyes. It would have been better if the boy truly brought a doctor's confirmation to show that he truly has eye cancer. For all I know, what the boy had could have just been a very highly infected boil, I could be wrong as regards that as well as you. Only a doctor could have ascertained what illness he had.

3. I also want you to sincerely tell me if you saw anywhere in the video where the swollen eye bursted and pus came out.

4. About your other friend claiming atheists have mental illnesses, I just smile. I didn't bother to read the rest of his comment. It lacks objectivity and sounds more like some junks he lifted off Internet. I will advise that you do not follow his footsteps. Have an open mind and see the truth for what it is. No one is trying to disprove anyone, am only interested in setting out the facts and letting out what is true.

Honestly, I will lean towards your beliefs if you have good evidence and can engage me logically.

He also mentioned that someone was trying to disprove the authenticity of the mentioned church. I believe he wasn't referring to me because I didn't even mention the name of the church, not now or then.


1. One major point skeptics raise when presented with evidences of miracles, is that what we refer to as miracles are mere coincidences, and that the ailment usually reoccurred after the said miracle has taken place, Just that we pay less attention to them after the healing has taken place, Now that the Church has followed up on his health status, you still see it as a reason to doubt, Lets be sincere, if the video of his return was not added, wouldn't you have asked for it, or claimed that thé ailment later reoccured............You see we cant please everyone.



2. It shows that the boy's case was a severe one, Besides even if a doctor was provided to confirm it, People will still claim that he was paid, infact a thread was opened on this section, about how a Child confirmed dead by a certified doctor, was brought back to life, people called him a quack, some said he was not a doctor in the first place......You see People dont believe what we try to prove to them, they believe what they choose.



3.Does it necessarily have to burst there, the healing of the eye without any reoccurence after so many years is enough proof, except we deliberately want to reject proofs.
Re: Atheists How Is This Possible.(Viewers Discretion is Advised) by mrvitalis(m): 9:58pm On Dec 04, 2016
peacesamuel94:



1. One major point skeptics raise when presented with evidences of miracles, is that what we refer to as miracles are mere coincidences, and that the ailment usually reoccurred after the said miracle has taken place, Just that we pay less attention to them after the healing has taken place, Now that the Church has followed up on his health status, you still see it as a reason to doubt, Lets be sincere, if the video of his return was not added, wouldn't you have asked for it, or claimed that thé ailment later reoccured............You see we cant please everyone.



2. It shows that the boy's case was a severe one, Besides even if a doctor was provided to confirm it, People will still claim that he was paid, infact a thread was opened on this section, about how a Child confirmed dead by a certified doctor, was brought back to life, people called him a quack, some said he was not a doctor in the first place......You see People dont believe what we try to prove to them, they believe what they choose.



3.Does it necessarily have to burst there, the healing of the eye without any reoccurence after so many years is enough proof, except we deliberately want to reject proofs.

U are just funny. ... Religion is indeed the opium of the masses


Please Google miracles and show me any confirmed one.. . Truths don't hide bro
Re: Atheists How Is This Possible.(Viewers Discretion is Advised) by peacesamuel94(m): 11:49pm On Dec 04, 2016
mrvitalis:


U are just funny. ... Religion is indeed the opium of the masses


Please Google miracles and show me any confirmed one.. . Truths don't hide bro

what makes you think that the above is not one ?

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Re: Atheists How Is This Possible.(Viewers Discretion is Advised) by NASKEX: 9:45am On Dec 05, 2016
The man's statement contradicts the cancer claim.
Cancer is not some sort of pyogenic inflammatory process that forms pus... So if truly he discharged pus and get healed he either had no cancer or the whole story was concocted to campaign for your imagined sky daddy... Well am not impressed grin grin
Re: Atheists How Is This Possible.(Viewers Discretion is Advised) by peacesamuel94(m): 9:56am On Dec 05, 2016
NASKEX:
The man's statement contradicts the cancer claim.
Cancer is not some sort of pyogenic inflammatory process that forms pus... So if truly he discharged pus and get healed he either had no cancer or the whole story was concocted to campaign for your imagined sky daddy... Well am not impressed grin grin


Then why is it called a miracle ? the process of healing, does not necessarily have to be in agreement with the normal scientific view of it.

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Re: Atheists How Is This Possible.(Viewers Discretion is Advised) by ScienceWatch: 3:06pm On Dec 05, 2016
peacesamuel94:



Very true, the proof of God's existence is not strictly theoretical, there are numerous day to day occurrences(miracles) that points to this fact. They might not be logical to the rational mind, but it doesn't out rule the fact that they happen.

Logic as well as our human perception of things will always adjust to fit into reality and not the other way round.
Athiesm/ deism/ agnosticm is a treat to a stable society:
The gods of the [/b]agnostic, atheist, deists, humanist are disguises, but underneath the mask you with find big trouble.
At least protect the youth of the world from this soul destroying satanic inspired belief systems that ends in a Mental Asylum. You will seek help in times of need and these groups will mock you instead. Mercy can not be found among them !

[b]New information from a 22-year old study at a German University
has many psychiatrists and psychologists throughout the world wondering if atheism/ deism, agnosticism is a sign or warning of a more serious mental illness already present or in the process of developing. Atheists or people who are very strident about their atheism are heavily prone to mental illness:

[b]The results of this study have unnerved [b] even the most stoic scientists, physicians and researchers.

The end result is that you will soon suffer unexplained anger, moodiness, depression, inability to forgive, cruelty, etc, etc, etc. Then you will be ready to except scientific solutions to spiritual problems. They will give you dangerous mind altering drugs that has no cure.
Re: Atheists How Is This Possible.(Viewers Discretion is Advised) by Nobody: 3:15pm On Dec 05, 2016
accountbalance:


Must you resort to abuse. I thought I was engaging a matured mind. Good luck in your purported miracle believe.

BTW, the media you're putting up might be irritating to some people.

Purported miracle? You've clearly seen something you cannot comprehend so it has to be fake. You athiests are pathetic.

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Re: Atheists How Is This Possible.(Viewers Discretion is Advised) by accountbalance: 5:43pm On Dec 05, 2016
Pidgin2:


Purported miracle? You've clearly seen something you cannot comprehend so it has to be fake. You athiests are pathetic.

Why are you pained? Is that what you are taught in your religion to resort to abuse when someone doesn't share your view.
Re: Atheists How Is This Possible.(Viewers Discretion is Advised) by peacesamuel94(m): 5:53pm On Dec 05, 2016
Its funny, how atheists deny proofs, Just because its not in agreement with their belief system. which is a big contradiction to the open minded stand, they claim to have concerning evidences of the supernatural.
Re: Atheists How Is This Possible.(Viewers Discretion is Advised) by paulGrundy(m): 6:44pm On Dec 05, 2016
accountbalance:
That guy there has a long term working relationship with the church. Why do you think he comes back regularly to confirm the story? In the art of deceit, that is what they call planted miracle, he will still come back to give the same testimony when he is 50 years.

Where is the evidence that what he had was truly eye cancer?

He mentioned in his testimony that the eye bursted and pus came out when the pastor prayed for him, I didnt see that in the video.

There is no true evidence in the video that the pastor did anything. Majority of the events happened behind the scene so why should anyone believe it?

Do you even know what eye cancer is?
Eye cancer has NO CURE. What happened there is a miracle!
Re: Atheists How Is This Possible.(Viewers Discretion is Advised) by accountbalance: 6:51pm On Dec 05, 2016
peacesamuel94:
Its funny, how atheists deny proofs, Just because its not in agreement with their belief system. which is a big contradiction to the open minded stand, they claim to have concerning evidences of the supernatural.

What evidence do you have of the supernatural? This video is already out of it. So give us something else, not another miracle video of course.

And dont give hearsay, mention your own personal experience in the world of the supernatural. Your friends are also welcome to give theirs.
Re: Atheists How Is This Possible.(Viewers Discretion is Advised) by accountbalance: 6:55pm On Dec 05, 2016
paulGrundy:


Do you even know what eye cancer is?
Eye cancer has NO CURE. What happened there is a miracle!

I agree with you, eye cancer has no cure.

Meanwhile, In the video testimony, he claimed the eye bursted and pus came out. Eye cancer don't burst with pus. Boil does that. Draw your conclusions
Re: Atheists How Is This Possible.(Viewers Discretion is Advised) by paulGrundy(m): 7:49pm On Dec 05, 2016
accountbalance:


I agree with you, eye cancer has no cure.

Meanwhile, In the video testimony, he claimed the eye bursted and pus came out. Eye cancer don't burst with pus. Boil does that. Draw your conclusions

Yes its possible, at the stage of eye cancer where fluid builds up in the eyes,its. Called melanomalytic gluoacoma.

http://www.cancer.net/cancer-types/eye-cancer/stages-and-grades

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Re: Atheists How Is This Possible.(Viewers Discretion is Advised) by Nobody: 8:07pm On Dec 05, 2016
accountbalance:


Why are you pained? Is that what you are taught in your religion to resort to abuse when someone doesn't share your view.

I'm pained because he lied, there is no need for lies
Re: Atheists How Is This Possible.(Viewers Discretion is Advised) by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:14pm On Dec 05, 2016
peacesamuel94:
Many atheists reject the claims of theists concerning miracles, because most of the ones they've happened to come across can easily be arranged. So i would like to see your reaction as well as the logical explanation you would give for the one below.

Not every atheist repudiates miracles , the deists who believe in God also reject miracles . Some atheists accept miracles - not that it actually comes from God but it can come ancestral spirits or manipulation of forces .

What these atheists do here is religious skepticism and religious skepticism is not atheism .

Read more here : https://www.nairaland.com/3500235/must-read-god-without-religion
Re: Atheists How Is This Possible.(Viewers Discretion is Advised) by ScienceWatch: 8:19pm On Dec 05, 2016
accountbalance:



Please who knows what this guy is saying?
This guy is saying, this type of miracles is happening daily.
Re: Atheists How Is This Possible.(Viewers Discretion is Advised) by peacesamuel94(m): 8:29pm On Dec 05, 2016
accountbalance:


What evidence do you have of the supernatural? This video is already out of it. So give us something else, not another miracle video of course.

And dont give hearsay, mention your own personal experience in the world of the supernatural. Your friends are also welcome to give theirs.


You are face to face with a clear proof of the supernatural, yet you rejected and labelled it a scam, and you want me to share my personal experience of the supernatural which you have no means of confirming, what difference will it make ? you will call it a scam as well.


This thread has at least proven an already established fact, miracles exist, irrespective of what you guys believe.
I posted a video and your reason for writing it off is because of "mere assumptions" not that you are totally sure that the "boy was a fraud" or "that his ailment was not actually eye cancer", and you claim to be open minded ? i think you actions are negating your claims Bro.
Re: Atheists How Is This Possible.(Viewers Discretion is Advised) by peacesamuel94(m): 8:33pm On Dec 05, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Not every atheist repudiates miracles , the deists who believe in God also reject miracles . Some atheists accept miracles - not that it actually comes from God but it can come ancestral spirits or manipulation of forces .

What these atheists do here is religious skepticism and religious skepticism is not atheism .

Read more here : https://www.nairaland.com/3500235/must-read-god-without-religion


Very True, thats why i said "many" not all.
Re: Atheists How Is This Possible.(Viewers Discretion is Advised) by accountbalance: 8:50pm On Dec 05, 2016
peacesamuel94:



You are face to face with a clear proof of the supernatural, yet you rejected and labelled it a scam, and you want me to share my personal experience of the supernatural which you have no means of confirming, what difference will it make ? you will call it a scam as well.


This thread has at least proven an already established fact, miracles exist, irrespective of what you guys believe.
I posted a video and your reason for writing it off is because of "mere assumptions" not that you are totally sure that the "boy was a fraud" or "that his ailment was not actually eye cancer", and you claim to be open minded ? i think you actions are negating your claims Bro.

You are referring to some video as face to face proof. Seriously? Seems you are even more open minded than I am. Kudos.

You are attacking my approach because you are not happy that I don't accept your claim. Why don't you buttress your points instead.

Tell me your experience of supernatural first and let's see if it's true. It seems you are not sure you have enough proof. Bring it on.
Re: Atheists How Is This Possible.(Viewers Discretion is Advised) by peacesamuel94(m): 9:10pm On Dec 05, 2016
accountbalance:


You are referring to some video as face to face proof. Seriously? Seems you are even more open minded than I am. Kudos.

You are attacking my approach because you are not happy that I don't accept your claim. Why don't you buttress your points instead.

Tell me your experience of supernatural first and let's see if it's true. It seems you are not sure you have enough proof. Bring it on.

Some video ? but most scientific claims usually do not take more than videos for you to believe.

I am not unhappy, only surprised about the contradiction between your actions and your claims.

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