Seun:
That's base 2 arithmetic. What the OP is saying doesn't really make any sense.

KingEbukaNaija:

God's nature is at least 9 dimensions

Seun:
That's base 2 arithmetic. What the OP is saying doesn't really make any sense.

Richirich713:


Monotheism means one God, not one person (Unitarianism), you adding that part.

We can get to wat the bible teaches later, first show me how the basic trinitarian position that there is one God and God is three co-existing eternal persons is not monotheism (the doctrine or belief that there is one being who is God).

Barristter07:




the Jews during the days of Moses and Aaron are monotheist, please how many persons do they worship ?

Richirich713:


Monotheism means one God, not one person (Unitarianism), you adding that part.

We can get to wat the bible teaches later, first show me how the basic trinitarian position that there is one God and God is three co-existing eternal persons is not monotheism (the doctrine or belief that there is one being who is God).

Richirich713:



Why mention me then ignore everything I said in my post? "We can get to wat the bible teaches later, first show me how the basic trinitarian position that there is one God and God is three co-existing eternal persons is not monotheism (the doctrine or belief that there is one being who is God)."

But I'll answer ur question anyway, the ancient jews worshiped and believed in one God, but they understood that there was a some kind of plurality in this one God, as is evident from the old testament and some other ancient jews writings. We can even see in the old testament how God manifests himself in three.

U can see more of this here :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-aVQ8MELeg

And here :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNt5NKSse0Y

Barristter07:



Exactly, doesnt make any sense

DeepSight:


There three gods referred to within the Trinity and then there is the claim that these three are all one God. It is a meaningless claim, as many worldviews have the idea of all things being "one" anyway. Thus the idea that Father, Son and Holy Ghost are one God does not lead to monotheism: especially when they are described with different personalities and manifestly different roles and attributes. That is nothing but a clear case of several gods.

Christianity is both pagan (as it believes in human sacrifice) and polytheistic.

DeepSight:


There three gods referred to within the Trinity and then there is the claim that these three are all one God. It is a meaningless claim, as many worldviews have the idea of all things being "one" anyway. Thus the idea that Father, Son and Holy Ghost are one God does not lead to monotheism: especially when they are described with different personalities and manifestly different roles and attributes. That is nothing but a clear case of several gods.

Christianity is both pagan (as it believes in human sacrifice) and polytheistic.

Barristter07:

Richirich713





I replied based on your stance that


" first show me how the basic trinitarian position that there is one God and God is three co-existing eternal persons is not monotheism"


to show this, we need to examine what the Jews like Moses and Aaron believed because they claimed to be monotheists.


Are hebrews like Moses , Kind David or Aaron Trinitarians and how many persons do they worship ?

Barristter07:




Deepsight, One God indeed but the question is why didnt the Father and holy spirit also die when the son died for three days , arent they one being ?

Richirich713:

Define monotheism.

Barristter07:




The doctrine or belief that there is [jb] ONLY [/b] one God .

Richirich713:


Only the second person of the trinity became human, this is basic stuff.

Richirich713:


That's exactly what the trinity says. That there is one God

Barristter07:




one died But the other is still Alive . that means the Father and son are two different beings . Two beings not one being

Barristter07:


hehehehehe . see this 419


ONLY one God . monotheism


how does people like Moses who speak with God and King David view God , how many persons do they worship or are they trinitarians ?

Richirich713:


One died a human death becuz he took upon a human nature, he didn't cease to exist as u seem to be implying.

Barristter07:



its either you are alive or dead , tell me something new , was he alive or dead during the three days ?


if he isnt alive , and the other is alive . they are two beings not one . get that straight









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Richirich713:


Lol, okay u tell me what the trinity claims, key word being claims, u might say what they claim is impossible but you'll see what they are teaching is monotheism.

Who was moses speaking at the burning bush nd why did he call him the god of Abraham and isaac?

Barristter07:


stop being dubious, its not monotheism but polytheism.

Father is Almighty God = 1

Son is Almighty God = 2

Holy spirit is Almighty God =3

three different Gods .

for more, God the Father is DIFFERENT from God the Son, and God the Son is DIFFERENT from God the Holy spirit .

separate Gods .




Yahweh , the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob speak to Moses through his Angel

Richirich713:


Explain to what u mean when u say the father is alive? I take that to mean u saying he still existed, right?

So what I'm saying is Jesus still existed after he died, as a matter of fact he existed before he was born, his human death didn't mean he ceased to exist. The word of God became flesh, that word has and will always exist.

Barristter07:


You mean Jesus is still alive even while dead , what an OXYMORON , that isnt just a lie but rubbish his ressurection

Barristter07:


stop being dubious, its not monotheism but polytheism.

Barristter07:


for more, God the Father is DIFFERENT from God the Son, and God the Son is DIFFERENT from God the Holy spirit .

separate Gods .

Barristter07:


Yahweh , the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob speak to Moses through his Angel

Barristter07:


You mean Jesus is still alive even while dead , what an OXYMORON , that isnt just a lie but rubbish his ressurection

Richirich713:

Explain to what u mean when u say the father is alive? I take that to mean u saying he still existed, right?
So what I'm saying is Jesus still existed after he died, as a matter of fact he existed before he was born, his human death didn't mean he ceased to exist. The word of God became flesh, that word has and will always exist.

4everGod:



Pause....take a deep breathe and repeat after me

I Barrister07 am confused! X 10 times

Your head knowledge says you are right because you have no spiritual knowledge. All you need to understand has already been explained to you in writing and via videos. Do i now present you further explanation via Braille or sign Language if those 2 have failed?

Edenoscar:


Excerps from the athanesian creed

The Father uncreated; the Son uncreated; and the Holy Ghost uncreated. The Father unlimited; the Son unlimited; and the Holy Ghost unlimited. The Father eternal; the Son eternal; and the Holy Ghost eternal. And yet they are not three eternals; but one eternal. As also there are not three uncreated; nor three infinites, but one uncreated; and one infinite. So likewise the Father is Almighty; the Son Almighty; and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not three Almighties; but one Almighty. So the Father is God; the Son is God; and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods; but one God

Except you dont believe in the athanesian creed, how does this make any sense
cc: kingebukasblog Richirich713

Richirich713:


It is better to say that the trinity teaches monotheism (since it claims only one God), but u don't considered it monotheism because u think it is I'm impossible for God to be three co-existing persons. Just because it's impossible for humans to exist like this, doesn't mean it's impossible for God.

The "is" is an "is of predication" not identity. In other words saying Jesus is God, means he is divine, it doesn't mean he is the whole of God as if he is the trinity. Jesus is identified as the second person of the trinity not the second God, u should be adding up three persons not three Gods.



That's because they different persons. This again is basic stuff. Jesus isn't the father nor is he the spirit, he's the word OF God not the spirit OF God.

its funny you are advising me to add up persons and not God. an insult to rational thinking

Jesus is also the son OF God , which God ? himself ?

Saying that God only spoke thru this messenger seems inconsistent with what the text says :

"Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian, and he led the flock to the far side of the desert and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. There the angel of the LORD appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up. So Moses thought, ‘I will go over and see this strange sight—why the bush does not burn up.’ When the LORD saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, ‘Moses! Moses!’ And Moses said, ‘Here I am.’ ‘Do not come any closer,’ God said. ‘Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground.’ Then he said, ‘I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.’ At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God.’"Exodus 3:1-6

And :

“Go, assemble the leaders of Israel. Say to them, ‘The Lord God of your ancestors, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, appeared to me." Exodus 3:16


Moreover this isn't the only place in the old testament where this messenger is called God by monotheistic jews, there's tons of places in the old testament where one can show that God is not just one person.

Richirich713:


u think that I meant Jesus was still alive after he died? , the post u just quoted said exactly what I meant and no wer did I say anything like that:



I said Jesus still existed after he died, he even existed before he was born. Do u think humans cease to exist after they die?

KingEbukasBlog:


They are simply saying that the Godhead are of one substance , essence and nature that makes the three One .