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Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by Kagawa10: 3:45pm On Jan 31, 2017
Tournel:
I don't know why I'm replying here, because I'm non-religious or possibly atheist. whether you believe in just Jehovah (according to the bible) or Brahma (according to Hindu) or Allah (according to Qu'ran), etc. To me, these are all just same things which I refer to as reality or the Universe itself and its laws. Jesus, Muhammed, Buddha, Moses, etc are all teachers of various religions (Though, there's possibility that Jesus' existence is untrue). Religions are just beliefs carried on. So, I don't see any reason why you should face some sort of eternal punishment for not respecting the prophet of a particular religion. I don't think a Hindu will be condemned to hell for not worshiping Jesus or showing respect to Muhammed.

It's because all have sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God and only by believing in the saving grace of the blood of Jesus Christ would make you blameless before God.
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by sonmvayina(m): 3:56pm On Jan 31, 2017
jchioma:


Thank you. Hmmmm! It's becoming clearer now. This could also mean that origin of God as we know it today, may be more steep than we have cared to know in Nigeria. What is the origin of this Tanakh? Could it be divine wisdom passed down through out the ages assembled in an organized form to guide men in the order of life? Please see me as a student who is willing to learn truth as it is. Thanks.

it was Ezra and. Baucch that wrote the book of the laws. that is from genesis to judges..and kings. History says they where taken to exile in babylon for a long time. it was duringg the reign of King cyrus that Marduk aasked to free all of them and send them home..it was furing this time that jufaism started taking shape and.Ezra started writing the laws..genesis, exodus etc..the jews put it at 460Bc, but recent scholarshhip put it at 430 bc..it was for thrir religion and not the whole world..
the Romans...just selectedd some bits and created their jesus character from several myths.
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by mostelected: 4:29pm On Jan 31, 2017
EbolaParasite:


My personal opinion doesn't matter so i won't say whether i do or not. The fact remains that there are several religions out there that also believe in God but do not believe they need to go through Jesus. Basically, you are saying they are wasting their time right? For example, Muslims pray 5 times a day every day all their life. Are you saying someone that prays to God all day every day will go to Hell? Forget about being righteous. We are looking at hypothetical situations here. Let's say this person is a saint and harms nobody and does no wrong. Prays 5 times a day for life until death but does not believe in Jesus. You mean to tell me this person will go to Hell? This is my question. Will the person in this scenario go to Hell. Yes or no?

Yes the person will go to hell and this are my reasons: Righteousness can only be found in Jesus Christ that is to say the person is not righteous to begin with. As long as Jesus has been revealed to the world, no one can ever go to the Father but by him.

Lemme clarify you more; I won't do this based on Christians belief or that of the Muslims but I want to reveal to you the testimony of Enoch even the coming of Jesus. Enoch was the father of Methuselah, great grandfather of Noah, he was a righteous man and the first man to ascend to heaven without dying as recorded in the bible.

Enoch recorded his experience in heaven. Then he said that he saw someone his hair as white as wool and he looked like the son of man( a human being) and he asked who the man was? They told him that the man is called the Righteous One and The Elect (chosen) one and in him will be righteousness and wisdom. I'm just writing these ones to let us know of the sonship of Jesus and his power, let's now speak on how this Elect one will judge the world and save the righteous.

Enoch wrote that
At that place, I saw the One to whom belongs the time before time. And his head
was white like wool, and there was with him another individual, whose face was like that
of a human being. His countenance was full of splendor like that of one among the
kodesh malakim.
46:2 And I asked the one -from among the malakim -who was going with me, and who
had revealed to me all the secrets regarding the One who was born of human beings,
“Who is this, and from whence is he who is going as the prototype of the Before -Time?”
46:3 And he answered me and said to me, “This is the Son of Man, to whom belongs
righteousness, and with whom righteousness dwells. And He will open all the hidden
storerooms; for YAHWEH of Hosts has chosen Him, and He is destined to be victorious
before YAHWEH of Hosts in eternal uprightness.”
46:4 “This Son of Man whom you have seen is the One who would remove the kings
and the mighty ones from their comfortable seats and the strong ones from their
thrones. He shall loosen the reins of the strong and crush the teeth of the sinners.”

The Elect one was Jesus. Enoch went further to say that he will be revealed to the world by his name will they be saved because righteousness dwells in him. He further said that Jesus would sit on the throne and judge all, he will save the righteous and punish the sinners.
At that hour, that Son of Man was given a name, in the presence of YAHWEH of
Hosts, the Before Time; even before the creation of the sun and the moon, before the
creation of the stars, He was given a name in the presence of YAHWEH of Hosts.
48:4 He will become a staff for the righteous ones in order that they may lean on Him
and not fall. He is the Light of the gentiles and He will become the hope of those who
are sick in their hearts.
48:5 All those who dwell upon the earth shall fall and worship before Him; they shall
magnify, bless, and sing the NAME of YAHWEH of Hosts.
48:6 For this purpose He became the Chosen One; He was concealed in the presence
of YAHWEH of Hosts prior to the creation of the world, and for eternity.
48:7 And He has revealed the wisdom of YAHWEH of Hosts to the righteous and the
kodesh ones, for He has preserved the portion of the righteous because they have hated
and despised this world of oppression together with all its ways of life and its habits in
the NAME of YAHWEH of Hosts; and because they will be saved in His Name and it is
His good pleasure that they have life.

All those who claim to be righteous and calls the name of Yahweh of Hosts (God of hosts), shall be saved by the name of Jesus and Jesus will give them life. No wonder he said'I have come to give life and give it more abundantly'

Don't be deceived that you can see God or gain eternal life without Jesus. It has been written and God honors his word more than his name, it is in Jesus the Righteous One and the Elect one will we be saved.
dom, and power of the Elect One
49:1 So wisdom flows like water and majesty is measureless before Him forever and
ever.
49:2 For His might is in all the mysteries of righteousness, and oppression will vanish
like a shadow having no foundation. The Elect One stands before YAHWEH of Hosts; His
splendor is forever and ever and His power is unto all generations.
49:3 In Him dwells the spirit of wisdom, the spirit which gives thoughtfulness, the spirit
of knowledge and strength, and the spirit of those who have fallen asleep in
righteousness.
49:4 He shall judge the secret things. And no one will be able to utter vain words in
His presence. For He is the Elect One before YAHWEH of Hosts according to HIS good
pleasure.
50 HANOCH - ENOCH 50
His Mercy And His Judgment
50:1 In those days, there will be a change for the kodesh and the righteous ones and
the Light of days shall rest upon them; and splendor and honor shall be given back to
the kodesh ones, on the day of weariness.
50:2 He heaped evil upon the sinners; but the righteous ones shall be victorious in the
NAME of YAHWEH of Hosts. He will cause the others to see this so that they may repent
and forsake the deeds of their hands.
50:3 There shall not be honor unto them in the NAME of YAHWEH of Hosts. But
through His Name (Jesus) they shall be saved, and YAHWEH of Hosts shall have mercy upon
them, for HIS mercy is considerable.
50:4 HE is righteous in HIS judgment and in the splendor that is before HIM.
Oppression cannot survive HIS judgment; and the unrepentant in HIS presence shall
perish.
50:5 YAHWEH of Hosts has said that from henceforth HE will not have mercy on them.

You can only be saved through the name of Jesus and only cos God would have mercy on you.

Nb: it is Jesus that will judge the world ( he will separate goats from sheep) or separate sinners from righteous according to Enoch words on the Righteous One. It will do you more good than harm to be one of his own on the judgement day rather than being among those that blasphemed against him. Even if you don't accept him at least acknowledge him, it will do you no good in fighting or speaking against the one who will determine where you will go.
He with judge the world. All of us! Please be on his part not against him.

Only in Jesus is righteousness, you can't be righteous by doing all the things you mentioned

And lastly it is only the name of Jesus that will save you. As long as he has been revealed to the world, there is no two ways about it. Take it or leave it. Accept him or not.

Now I have gone to extreme to prove to you the power of Jesus from the book of the Noah's great grandfather, why not seek knowledge in your Bible now and find wisdom in Jesus. It will guide you to the right path. Please contact me for help or guidance.

In conclusion to your question: yes the person will go to hell because it is only through Jesus will he find life.

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Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by mostelected: 4:46pm On Jan 31, 2017
Please note that THE NAME OF YAHWEH OF HOSTS is the name given to Jesus (Righteous one) before the presence of Yahweh of Hosts. It is a mystical name that John in his revelation talked about written on him.

So it is evident that is Jesus that can save.
Book of Enoch is not part of the bible so please make Better references from the bible.

Jesus is righteousness, he is the Saviour.
Note that the angels praised and worshipped him. Just as they also did in the book of revelation. This is for those who claimed Jesus should not be worshiped, if even angels worshipped him, why can't I or you?

Do not be shaken in your belief, if you have found jesus, you have found life. Endeavor to baptize by immersion. For those who see him as a frictional character, you have read the truth. Your belief is on you. Make your choice now, myth or the truth.

I'm leaving this thread now, please contact me by mail for any further questions...

May God bless us all and reveal Jesus Christ to us that we might be saved. To participate in my forthcoming messages please join my group on Facebook or Whatsapp. I will share a link anytime I visit this thread again, I need to create the group so I can bring believers together and let's share the truth. @jchioma, Jesus is not a myth or a frictional character else many people o old and new won't testify about him. I am a witness that jesus is very real, please believe what you want now. The choice is yours. You can contact me privately for a chat, I will really like to lead you to Christ if you let me.

Sighs! May God help us all with the spirit of wisdom and understanding. Bye for now

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Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by jchioma: 5:14pm On Jan 31, 2017
mostelected:
Please note that THE NAME OF YAHWEH OF HOSTS is the name given to Jesus (Righteous one) before the presence of Yahweh of Hosts. It is a mystical name that John in his revelation talked about written on him.

So it is evident that is Jesus that can save.
Book of Enoch is not part of the bible so please make Better references from the bible.

Jesus is righteousness, he is the Saviour.
Note that the angels praised and worshipped him. Just as they also did in the book of revelation. This is for those who claimed Jesus should not be worshiped, if even angels worshipped him, why can't I or you?

Do not be shaken in your belief, if you have found jesus, you have found life. Endeavor to baptize by immersion. For those who see him as a frictional character, you have read the truth. Your belief is on you. Make your choice now, myth or the truth.

I'm leaving this thread now, please contact me by mail for any further questions...

May God bless us all and reveal Jesus Christ to us that we might be saved. To participate in my forthcoming messages please join my group on Facebook or Whatsapp. I will share a link anytime I visit this thread again, I need to create the group so I can bring believers together and let's share the truth. @jchioma, Jesus is not a myth or a frictional character else many people o old and new won't testify about him. I am a witness that jesus is very real, please believe what you want now. The choice is yours. You can contact me privately for a chat, I will really like to lead you to Christ if you let me.

Sighs! May God help us all with the spirit of wisdom and understanding. Bye for now

Thanks for your heartfelt concern. But at this stage, I will need a personal revelation of Him to believe, and not some conviction of men. If He is real, nothing stops him from showing himself.
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by mostelected: 5:26pm On Jan 31, 2017
jchioma:


Thanks for your heartfelt concern. But at this stage, I will need a personal revelation of Him to believe, and not some conviction of men. If He is real, nothing stops him from showing himself.

You can only find him if you seek him. To find him you will first of all accept this conviction of men, then you seek him in truth and in spirit and there you will find him. Unless he has a special purpose for you that's when he can reveal himself to you like he did with Paul, he made him blind. But now, you know the truth, don't wait for him to come and show himself, you should be the one that will seek him and then you shall find him. Pray over it anyways, ask God to reveal the truth bout Jesus to you, please pray with all your heart and be in the right situation for God to hear you. Remember the prayer of a sinner is an abomination unto him.

I pray you find him, he is very real. I have found him, I have seen him not stories. But I did because I sought him
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by jchioma: 5:32pm On Jan 31, 2017
sonmvayina:


it was Ezra and. Baucch that wrote the book of the laws. that is from genesis to judges..and kings. History says they where taken to exile in babylon for a long time. it was duringg the reign of King cyrus that Marduk aasked to free all of them and send them home..it was furing this time that jufaism started taking shape and.Ezra started writing the laws..genesis, exodus etc..the jews put it at 460Bc, but recent scholarshhip put it at 430 bc..it was for thrir religion and not the whole world..
the Romans...just selectedd some bits and created their jesus character from several myths.

So, at the end of it all, can it be safe to say that there's actually NO god or is that there are several gods working actively or passively in the affairs of men? Or these are just myths of olden days organized to form a more civilized form of religion? What can you tell me about the origin of 'Yehova' - God? Though I read that archaeological artifacts provided evidence of various religious practices that coexisted in Judah alongside the official worship of Yahweh. If most of the Bible stories were invented, what can we say of the gods of our fathers, e.g. Chineke (Chukwu), Olodumare, etc? Sorry, for the multiple questions. lol

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Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by mostelected: 5:42pm On Jan 31, 2017
jchioma:


So, at the end of it all, can it be safe to say that there's actually NO god or is that there are several gods working actively or passively in the affairs of men? Or these are just myths of olden days organized to form a more civilized form of religion? What can you tell me about the origin of 'Yehova' - God? Though I read that archaeological artifacts provided evidence of various religious practices that coexisted in Judah alongside the official worship of Yahweh. If most of the Bible stories were invented, what can we say of the gods of our fathers, e.g. Chineke (Chukwu), Olodumare, etc. Sorry, for the multiple questions. lol

Chai see confusions. I told you that you will get confused and confused till you are entangled. I have really been there. May you find the truth in Jesus Name. All this questions, I have worked and researched on them in earlier days, anything you still see or read now is still myth. You were not there when they happened or occurred neither have you seen what transpires in the spirit. Best for you to believe the one many people testifies to than seek knowledge where it is not.

I came back to ask you to chat me up that I can give you way to get revelation from God as you wished but it is obvious you are not ready until you are ready.
And I pray it Wont b too late. I will still pray for you.
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by jchioma: 7:53pm On Jan 31, 2017
mostelected:


Chai see confusions. I told you that you will get confused and confused till you are entangled. I have really been there. May you find the truth in Jesus Name. All this questions, I have worked and researched on them in earlier days, anything you still see or read now is still myth. You were not there when they happened or occurred neither have you seen what transpires in the spirit. Best for you to believe the one many people testifies to than seek knowledge where it is not.

I came back to ask you to chat me up that I can give you way to get revelation from God as you wished but it is obvious you are not ready until you are ready.
And I pray it Wont b too late. I will still pray for you.

I appreciate your time and effort Mostelected, but I do not run with the popular choice. If you were born in an Hindhu community, I am sure your views will be different. It is clear that as humans we get swayed according to what we chose to believe. I seek to know the the truth and will appreciate if you can express same here for my benefit and of those that may read us. However, I will still contact you. Thanks.
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by EbolaParasite: 8:18pm On Jan 31, 2017
mostelected:


Yes the person will go to hell and this are my reasons: Righteousness can only be found in Jesus Christ that is to say the person is not righteous to begin with. As long as Jesus has been revealed to the world, no one can ever go to the Father but by him.

Lemme clarify you more; I won't do this based on Christians belief or that of the Muslims but I want to reveal to you the testimony of Enoch even the coming of Jesus. Enoch was the father of Methuselah, great grandfather of Noah, he was a righteous man and the first man to ascend to heaven without dying as recorded in the bible.

Enoch recorded his experience in heaven. Then he said that he saw someone his hair as white as wool and he looked like the son of man( a human being) and he asked who the man was? They told him that the man is called the Righteous One and The Elect (chosen) one and in him will be righteousness and wisdom. I'm just writing these ones to let us know of the sonship of Jesus and his power, let's now speak on how this Elect one will judge the world and save the righteous.

Enoch wrote that
At that place, I saw the One to whom belongs the time before time. And his head
was white like wool, and there was with him another individual, whose face was like that
of a human being. His countenance was full of splendor like that of one among the
kodesh malakim.
46:2 And I asked the one -from among the malakim -who was going with me, and who
had revealed to me all the secrets regarding the One who was born of human beings,
“Who is this, and from whence is he who is going as the prototype of the Before -Time?”
46:3 And he answered me and said to me, “This is the Son of Man, to whom belongs
righteousness, and with whom righteousness dwells. And He will open all the hidden
storerooms; for YAHWEH of Hosts has chosen Him, and He is destined to be victorious
before YAHWEH of Hosts in eternal uprightness.”
46:4 “This Son of Man whom you have seen is the One who would remove the kings
and the mighty ones from their comfortable seats and the strong ones from their
thrones. He shall loosen the reins of the strong and crush the teeth of the sinners.”

The Elect one was Jesus. Enoch went further to say that he will be revealed to the world by his name will they be saved because righteousness dwells in him. He further said that Jesus would sit on the throne and judge all, he will save the righteous and punish the sinners.
At that hour, that Son of Man was given a name, in the presence of YAHWEH of
Hosts, the Before Time; even before the creation of the sun and the moon, before the
creation of the stars, He was given a name in the presence of YAHWEH of Hosts.
48:4 He will become a staff for the righteous ones in order that they may lean on Him
and not fall. He is the Light of the gentiles and He will become the hope of those who
are sick in their hearts.
48:5 All those who dwell upon the earth shall fall and worship before Him; they shall
magnify, bless, and sing the NAME of YAHWEH of Hosts.
48:6 For this purpose He became the Chosen One; He was concealed in the presence
of YAHWEH of Hosts prior to the creation of the world, and for eternity.
48:7 And He has revealed the wisdom of YAHWEH of Hosts to the righteous and the
kodesh ones, for He has preserved the portion of the righteous because they have hated
and despised this world of oppression together with all its ways of life and its habits in
the NAME of YAHWEH of Hosts; and because they will be saved in His Name and it is
His good pleasure that they have life.

All those who claim to be righteous and calls the name of Yahweh of Hosts (God of hosts), shall be saved by the name of Jesus and Jesus will give them life. No wonder he said'I have come to give life and give it more abundantly'

Don't be deceived that you can see God or gain eternal life without Jesus. It has been written and God honors his word more than his name, it is in Jesus the Righteous One and the Elect one will we be saved.
dom, and power of the Elect One
49:1 So wisdom flows like water and majesty is measureless before Him forever and
ever.
49:2 For His might is in all the mysteries of righteousness, and oppression will vanish
like a shadow having no foundation. The Elect One stands before YAHWEH of Hosts; His
splendor is forever and ever and His power is unto all generations.
49:3 In Him dwells the spirit of wisdom, the spirit which gives thoughtfulness, the spirit
of knowledge and strength, and the spirit of those who have fallen asleep in
righteousness.
49:4 He shall judge the secret things. And no one will be able to utter vain words in
His presence. For He is the Elect One before YAHWEH of Hosts according to HIS good
pleasure.
50 HANOCH - ENOCH 50
His Mercy And His Judgment
50:1 In those days, there will be a change for the kodesh and the righteous ones and
the Light of days shall rest upon them; and splendor and honor shall be given back to
the kodesh ones, on the day of weariness.
50:2 He heaped evil upon the sinners; but the righteous ones shall be victorious in the
NAME of YAHWEH of Hosts. He will cause the others to see this so that they may repent
and forsake the deeds of their hands.
50:3 There shall not be honor unto them in the NAME of YAHWEH of Hosts. But
through His Name (Jesus) they shall be saved, and YAHWEH of Hosts shall have mercy upon
them, for HIS mercy is considerable.
50:4 HE is righteous in HIS judgment and in the splendor that is before HIM.
Oppression cannot survive HIS judgment; and the unrepentant in HIS presence shall
perish.
50:5 YAHWEH of Hosts has said that from henceforth HE will not have mercy on them.

You can only be saved through the name of Jesus and only cos God would have mercy on you.

Nb: it is Jesus that will judge the world ( he will separate goats from sheep) or separate sinners from righteous according to Enoch words on the Righteous One. It will do you more good than harm to be one of his own on the judgement day rather than being among those that blasphemed against him. Even if you don't accept him at least acknowledge him, it will do you no good in fighting or speaking against the one who will determine where you will go.
He with judge the world. All of us! Please be on his part not against him.

Only in Jesus is righteousness, you can't be righteous by doing all the things you mentioned

And lastly it is only the name of Jesus that will save you. As long as he has been revealed to the world, there is no two ways about it. Take it or leave it. Accept him or not.

Now I have gone to extreme to prove to you the power of Jesus from the book of the Noah's great grandfather, why not seek knowledge in your Bible now and find wisdom in Jesus. It will guide you to the right path. Please contact me for help or guidance.

In conclusion to your question: yes the person will go to hell because it is only through Jesus will he find life.

I appreciate the length at which you have gone. Now, i am being genuine and not trying to be antagonistic but the accounts you state were reported by Human Beings. Other religions with their faiths also have accounts that they believe in which were also reported by Humans.
Personally, i believe everything is based on faith. One faith is not stronger than the other. If you believe in one, stick to it. I personally believe if i am good and do no one harm that i will make Heaven regardless of going through anyone.

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Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by EbolaParasite: 8:23pm On Jan 31, 2017
jchioma:


I appreciate your time and effort Mostelected, but I do not run with the popular choice. If you were born in an Hindhu community, I am sure your views will be different. It is clear that as humans we get swayed according to what we chose to believe. I seek to know the the truth and will appreciate if you can express same here for my benefit and of those that may read us. However, I will still contact you. Thanks.


Exactly. If Mostelected was born in Saudi Arabia, chances are, he/she would have probably been a muslim. Not saying there are no muslims there that converted to christianity but we are influenced by our environment. Everything we know is based on what our immediate environment teaches us. Most people ended up being Christians or Moslems based on what their parents thought them. Sure we have a choice when we get older but the formative years are crucial in a childs life. At the end of the day, i personally believe there is no such thing as religion. Man simply created it to account for law and order. Most of the religions have something in common. In the bible, they once prayed the way muslims pray today. So you can see that they have a common origin. As far as i am concerned, believe in God, do good to your other man and you will make heaven regardless of what religion you belong to

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Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by mostelected: 8:36pm On Jan 31, 2017
EbolaParasite:


Exactly. If Mostelected was born in Saudi Arabia, chances are, he/she would have probably been a muslim. Not saying there are no muslims there that converted to christianity but we are influenced by our environment. Everything we know is based on what our immediate environment teaches us. Most people ended up being Christians or Moslems based on what their parents thought them. Sure we have a choice when we get older but the formative years are crucial in a childs life. At the end of the day, i personally believe there is no such thing as religion. Man simply created it to account for law and order. Most of the religions have something in common. In the bible, they once prayed the way muslims pray today. So you can see that they have a common origin. As far as i am concerned, believe in God, do good to your other man and you will make heaven regardless of what religion you belong to

That is why my greatest testimony is the privilege given to me to know Christ and to know the truth. God loves me greatly and that was why I wasn't born in Saudis Arabia. Among all the people, God called Abraham and blessed him. So I believe he has done the same to me by not taking me there. You have the privilege as well use it. By the grace of God, the gospel of truth have gotten to most of them and they have repented. They are Christians even in India. Use the privilege God has given to you wisely.
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by EbolaParasite: 9:37pm On Jan 31, 2017
mostelected:


That is why my greatest testimony is the privilege given to me to know Christ and to know the truth. God loves me greatly and that was why I wasn't born in Saudis Arabia. Among all the people, God called Abraham and blessed him. So I believe he has done the same to me by not taking me there. You have the privilege as well use it. By the grace of God, the gospel of truth have gotten to most of them and they have repented. They are Christians even in India. Use the privilege God has given to you wisely.

I like your matured responses. Unlike some, they will scream atheist because one asks questions. Back to the discuss,
We both know how difficult it is if you are brought up from a strong religious background. As an example, someone born in a strong muslim background in Saudi or Iraq is most likely to live and die as a muslim. Are these people destined for HELL simply because they were born in the wrong place. Because, it is most likely they believe in their faith and will not accept Jesus. Are these people going to hell for being born in the wrong part of the world?

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Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by Tournel(m): 7:06am On Feb 01, 2017
Kagawa10:


It's because all have sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God and only by believing in the saving grace of the blood of Jesus Christ would make you blameless before God.
HAHAHAHAHAHA. Seriously! grin grin
Well, you too have sinned and fallen short of the grace of prophet mohammed.
That's the point! Every religion claiming they're right over the other.
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by sonmvayina(m): 6:55pm On Feb 01, 2017
jchioma:


So, at the end of it all, can it be safe to say that there's actually NO god or is that there are several gods working actively or passively in the affairs of men? Or these are just myths of olden days organized to form a more civilized form of religion? What can you tell me about the origin of 'Yehova' - God? Though I read that archaeological artifacts provided evidence of various religious practices that coexisted in Judah alongside the official worship of Yahweh. If most of the Bible stories were invented, what can we say of the gods of our fathers, e.g. Chineke (Chukwu), Olodumare, etc? Sorry, for the multiple questions. lol

there are Gods...all the religious books says so,and from our own traditions and beliefs..there are Gods..they are spirits. they do not interfere in the affairs of men without men inviting them or consulting them. The Jews never worshiped a God called yehova or yaw-eh..the Jews worshiped the creator of all..and its name is Marduk, he/it was also the God of king Cyrus and called Cyrus his servant. (Isaiah 45)..Marduk is the same as Eledumare, Osanobua, Chineke..etc, he/it is the creator of all.the same being but different nomenclature, and every culture has built there story that they can relate with using there own symbolism and numerology..
The Gods are not human beings, the ONLY way to communicate with God is through an oracle..and if you follow Nollywood or Yoruba movies, when such oracle is consulted, the babalawo usually answer using a parable. it is those parables that the Jews wrote down for their religion. it is what the babalawo says that is the world of God and it kills, but you have to listen to the message the spirit is passing because that is what gives life. a good example is the story of Solomon, it is written in the bible that Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubine, you have to understand that the numbers 700 and 300 are significant and represent something so also is wives and concubines, they are symbols,so if you dont understand what they symbolize, the message will not make any sense to you. and all the church service i have attended no pastor could tell the message in that parable or story. ( heads up---women are symbol for wisdom in Jewish tradition, so you can figure out the message).so you have to read the whole story and learn the message within the story,like the ibo tradition where i belong, we have our own story about Chineke too we call them OMENANI..Ekwensu which the christain denoted as devil is not an adversary, he does what ever Chineke tell him to do, that is what the jews believe too as told by the story or parable of Job, everything God created is under his control including the devil..he has no will on its own outside the will of God. when God needs evil to be done, he sends the devil to do it(lamentation 3:38, Isaiah 45:7, Amos 3:6)..the Romans came much later and set the devil in opposition to God in other to sell the story of Jesus, it has got nothing to do with what the Jews believe...the messiah they are waiting for is a mortal man, not a demi God..

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Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by najib632(m): 1:34am On Feb 02, 2017
mostelected:


Yes the person will go to hell and this are my reasons: Righteousness can only be found in Jesus Christ that is to say the person is not righteous to begin with. As long as Jesus has been revealed to the world, no one can ever go to the Father but by him.

Lemme clarify you more; I won't do this based on Christians belief or that of the Muslims but I want to reveal to you the testimony of Enoch even the coming of Jesus. Enoch was the father of Methuselah, great grandfather of Noah, he was a righteous man and the first man to ascend to heaven without dying as recorded in the bible.

Enoch recorded his experience in heaven. Then he said that he saw someone his hair as white as wool and he looked like the son of man( a human being) and he asked who the man was? They told him that the man is called the Righteous One and The Elect (chosen) one and in him will be righteousness and wisdom. I'm just writing these ones to let us know of the sonship of Jesus and his power, let's now speak on how this Elect one will judge the world and save the righteous.

Enoch wrote that
At that place, I saw the One to whom belongs the time before time. And his head
was white like wool, and there was with him another individual, whose face was like that
of a human being. His countenance was full of splendor like that of one among the
kodesh malakim.
46:2 And I asked the one -from among the malakim -who was going with me, and who
had revealed to me all the secrets regarding the One who was born of human beings,
“Who is this, and from whence is he who is going as the prototype of the Before -Time?”
46:3 And he answered me and said to me, “This is the Son of Man, to whom belongs
righteousness, and with whom righteousness dwells. And He will open all the hidden
storerooms; for YAHWEH of Hosts has chosen Him, and He is destined to be victorious
before YAHWEH of Hosts in eternal uprightness.”
46:4 “This Son of Man whom you have seen is the One who would remove the kings
and the mighty ones from their comfortable seats and the strong ones from their
thrones. He shall loosen the reins of the strong and crush the teeth of the sinners.”

The Elect one was Jesus. Enoch went further to say that he will be revealed to the world by his name will they be saved because righteousness dwells in him. He further said that Jesus would sit on the throne and judge all, he will save the righteous and punish the sinners.
At that hour, that Son of Man was given a name, in the presence of YAHWEH of
Hosts, the Before Time; even before the creation of the sun and the moon, before the
creation of the stars, He was given a name in the presence of YAHWEH of Hosts.
48:4 He will become a staff for the righteous ones in order that they may lean on Him
and not fall. He is the Light of the gentiles and He will become the hope of those who
are sick in their hearts.
48:5 All those who dwell upon the earth shall fall and worship before Him; they shall
magnify, bless, and sing the NAME of YAHWEH of Hosts.
48:6 For this purpose He became the Chosen One; He was concealed in the presence
of YAHWEH of Hosts prior to the creation of the world, and for eternity.
48:7 And He has revealed the wisdom of YAHWEH of Hosts to the righteous and the
kodesh ones, for He has preserved the portion of the righteous because they have hated
and despised this world of oppression together with all its ways of life and its habits in
the NAME of YAHWEH of Hosts; and because they will be saved in His Name and it is
His good pleasure that they have life.

All those who claim to be righteous and calls the name of Yahweh of Hosts (God of hosts), shall be saved by the name of Jesus and Jesus will give them life. No wonder he said'I have come to give life and give it more abundantly'

Don't be deceived that you can see God or gain eternal life without Jesus. It has been written and God honors his word more than his name, it is in Jesus the Righteous One and the Elect one will we be saved.
dom, and power of the Elect One
49:1 So wisdom flows like water and majesty is measureless before Him forever and
ever.
49:2 For His might is in all the mysteries of righteousness, and oppression will vanish
like a shadow having no foundation. The Elect One stands before YAHWEH of Hosts; His
splendor is forever and ever and His power is unto all generations.
49:3 In Him dwells the spirit of wisdom, the spirit which gives thoughtfulness, the spirit
of knowledge and strength, and the spirit of those who have fallen asleep in
righteousness.
49:4 He shall judge the secret things. And no one will be able to utter vain words in
His presence. For He is the Elect One before YAHWEH of Hosts according to HIS good
pleasure.
50 HANOCH - ENOCH 50
His Mercy And His Judgment
50:1 In those days, there will be a change for the kodesh and the righteous ones and
the Light of days shall rest upon them; and splendor and honor shall be given back to
the kodesh ones, on the day of weariness.
50:2 He heaped evil upon the sinners; but the righteous ones shall be victorious in the
NAME of YAHWEH of Hosts. He will cause the others to see this so that they may repent
and forsake the deeds of their hands.
50:3 There shall not be honor unto them in the NAME of YAHWEH of Hosts. But
through His Name (Jesus) they shall be saved, and YAHWEH of Hosts shall have mercy upon
them, for HIS mercy is considerable.
50:4 HE is righteous in HIS judgment and in the splendor that is before HIM.
Oppression cannot survive HIS judgment; and the unrepentant in HIS presence shall
perish.
50:5 YAHWEH of Hosts has said that from henceforth HE will not have mercy on them.

You can only be saved through the name of Jesus and only cos God would have mercy on you.

Nb: it is Jesus that will judge the world ( he will separate goats from sheep) or separate sinners from righteous according to Enoch words on the Righteous One. It will do you more good than harm to be one of his own on the judgement day rather than being among those that blasphemed against him. Even if you don't accept him at least acknowledge him, it will do you no good in fighting or speaking against the one who will determine where you will go.
He with judge the world. All of us! Please be on his part not against him.

Only in Jesus is righteousness, you can't be righteous by doing all the things you mentioned

And lastly it is only the name of Jesus that will save you. As long as he has been revealed to the world, there is no two ways about it. Take it or leave it. Accept him or not.

Now I have gone to extreme to prove to you the power of Jesus from the book of the Noah's great grandfather, why not seek knowledge in your Bible now and find wisdom in Jesus. It will guide you to the right path. Please contact me for help or guidance.

In conclusion to your question: yes the person will go to hell because it is only through Jesus will he find life.
Please show me a passage in Gospel that says that Jesus A.S. over threw a king if you cannot then I am 100% sure your satanic popes changed those verses to increase you in polytheism because of their greed. What does God the Eternal need a son for?

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Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by najib632(m): 2:10am On Feb 02, 2017
mostelected:
To the MUSLIMS... I like how zealous you can be in worshiping God. I heard that the Muslims are very religious (owing to the way you pray 5TIMES A DAY),I wish we Christians could also pray that way. But I want to reveal something you are missing out. In all the prophets mentioned in the Quran I believe Moses, Noah, Abraham, Jesus right? Which of them was killed and didn't die a natural death?

Moses died of old age so did Noah and Abraham even Mohammed died of fever. None of them had their blood shed or spilled. Don't you think Jesus' own was for a reason. We all know the power in blood.
'When Cain killed Abel, God said that Abel's blood cried unto him from the ground' Blood speaks. Every blood speaks.
' Israelites she's blood as a sign of atonement' Blood Cleanses. So king David said ' wash me by thy blood and I will be clean' Blood washes away iniquity.
God stopped Abraham when he wanted to spill the blood of his only son. God hate the spilling of blood but in all his prophets, only the blood of Jesus was spilled. A blood so powerful, why was he killed? He could have lived to 90 years and dies. He could have ascended to heaven like Enoch and Elijah which he actually did until his blood was spilled. Why did he spill his blood? ASCEnding to heaven could be a great sign to the Israelites that he had great power but he chose to be killed first by men. He did great miracles than the other prophets, this proves that he had great power so why did he decide to die rather than vanishing one early morning back to heaven.

Op claimed he was Zeus or whatever, if he were why would he teach people how to be righteous, how to become God's own and how to make it to heaven and gain eternal life, why did he teach them Almighty God and not the roman gods. Why did he use the words and the prophecies of the prophets of God to teach and not even that of the roman gods, why did he pray to God in loud voices and not just perform magic and walk away. Op you are certainly seeking knowledge from the wrong side.

To all, the blood of Jesus was spilled to cleanse away sins of the world. When he died, it was a sign of baptism to the remission of sins. He shed his own powerful blood even as just a prophet that performs such miracles for a reason. Till you understand the power in blood, you will understand the power in that powerful blood that was shed. He shed it to buy us all to God/Allah. He is not just a prophet but a prophet of the prophets, he is the saviour.

I can teach you more about Jesus, see his miracles and his teachings, he did it all by the Father who sent him (God), Jesus is truly from God do not be decieved. All those are made to decieve believers. I read once that Paul was an antichrists and they gave proofs. I nearly believed buy when I sought knowledge from God himself, I understood the great works God used Paul for. Yes, God taught me himself through his spirit, so op, once Again seek your knowledge from God and not what you read. I read all those you are reading but now I know the truth. Those things will only confuse you the more, and the more you seek to understand the more confused you are until you are tangled up. I also had a note of all the things I read trying to find knowledge because it was all confusing. But now I feel completed, I have found the truth.

To my beloved Muslims, I still admire the way you oray and how often you participate in religious talks but I pray and ask you to try seeing Jesus not just a prophet. Among the prophets read meaning to the blood that was shed, God sent him to die so his blood which had the power and spirit of God will wash away sins. Unlike the other prophets, he was the only one with God even before the creation of the world. ' before Abraham I was' in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. He really died for a reason rather than teach the works of God, performed miracles and die,,he alone among the great prophets of God recorded spilled his blood.

'I will see the blood and I will pass over you'
There is power in Blood. Even in human blood like you and I. The book of revelation recorded that the blood of the saints that was killed constantly cried up to God from the ground for vengeance. Blood speaks, Blood cleanses, Blood washes away sin, if the blood of humans even animals could do all this, how much more the blood of Jesus. Let God Almighty bless us all.


Worthy is the Lamb to receive glory, honour, power and Majesty. Now and forever amen.
No Jesus A.S. is not dead that's why he's going to come back. Paul was the betrayer and not Judas. If you notice the book that's most popular among the christians is the Bible that was written by Paul and not Gospel that was revealed to Jesus A.S. the Jews killed prophets and men of God intentionally because they do not want to follow what they do not like that's why they omitted God's words intentionally and corrupt people where made monks and priests so that they will sin how much they like and that's the reason for their curse, the christians on the other hand they paid more attention to miracles and they followed the words of the pastors, popes e.t.c. and abandoned the teachings of the bible an thus the corrupt ones among them edited the word of God and till today they still do edit the bible, they tell you people that they are just making it simpler to understand then whats the use of popes, pastors and so forth and was the use of bible classes? I do not believe a prophet of God will say that blood should be poured over him for it is known that prophets do not behave fetish and barbaric, if you notice John the baptist A.S. was martyred by the and also Zachariah A.S. was martyred by them too and do not forget the Jews have more prophets and messengers than any other nations. Prophet Muhammad S.A.W.s name was mentioned in the book songs of solomon but they insulted Prophet solomon by changing the verses and making them erotic
-[God's refuge is sought]- also the 10,000 soldiers that will liberate conquer paran(mekkah). There several more that i can tell you but I think my fingers should rest here.
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by mostelected: 9:44am On Feb 02, 2017
najib632:
Please show me a passage in Gospel that says that Jesus A.S. over threw a king if you cannot then I am 100% sure your satanic popes changed those verses to increase you in polytheism because of their greed. What does God the Eternal need a son for?

He will overthrow kings. Psalm 2 said he will rule with iron scepter. Isaiah said his government will be an everlasting one and Jesus himself said that his kingdom is not of this world: all in the Bible. If you read NY passage further you will understand that he will overthrow kings by putting them to shame when he will take over his kingdom and rule. He will judge everyone even the kings. I do not mean any physical combat where kings will be overthrown. No!

Secondly God does not need a son but sons. We all are children of God so why does God need us?
David wrote Psalms 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by mostelected: 9:55am On Feb 02, 2017
najib632:
No Jesus A.S. is not dead that's why he's going to come back. Paul was the betrayer and not Judas. If you notice the book that's most popular among the christians is the Bible that was written by Paul and not Gospel that was revealed to Jesus A.S. the Jews killed prophets and men of God intentionally because they do not want to follow what they do not like that's why they omitted God's words intentionally and corrupt people where made monks and priests so that they will sin how much they like and that's the reason for their curse, the christians on the other hand they paid more attention to miracles and they followed the words of the pastors, popes e.t.c. and abandoned the teachings of the bible an thus the corrupt ones among them edited the word of God and till today they still do edit the bible, they tell you people that they are just making it simpler to understand then whats the use of popes, pastors and so forth and was the use of bible classes? I do not believe a prophet of God will say that blood should be poured over him for it is known that prophets do not behave fetish and barbaric, if you notice John the baptist A.S. was martyred by the and also Zachariah A.S. was martyred by them too and do not forget the Jews have more prophets and messengers than any other nations. Prophet Muhammad S.A.W.s name was mentioned in the book songs of solomon but they insulted Prophet solomon by changing the verses and making them erotic
-[God's refuge is sought]- also the 10,000 soldiers that will liberate conquer paran(mekkah). There several more that i can tell you but I think my fingers should rest here.

Thank you for saying Jesus is not dead and is coming again. The only prophet (as they said) they rose up again from death.

Then all this omission and Editting, my brother please were you there when they did all those things? Have you by chance read the original scripture to find out all this were fake? Did you read the book of Solomon before the Editting?,
No! You just heard and believed. Then why are you so sure that what you heard was the truth?

Who was the prophet that asked that blood would be poured over him?

The teachings of Jesus is more extended than that of Paul. Paul's teachings was mostly on faith, he encoraged us to accept Jesus, have faith in Jesus and that Jesus with save us. Why Jesus taught about repentance, baptism, faith in God and in him, commandments and will of God etc Please tell me how that betrayed Jesus?

I'm willing to hear from you since you know a lot from what you heard or read from unknown sources and not from the scriptures or divine revelation.
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by najib632(m): 12:10pm On Feb 02, 2017
mostelected:


Thank you for saying Jesus is not dead and is coming again. The only prophet (as they said) they rose up again from death.

Then all this omission and Editting, my brother please were you there when they did all those things? Have you by chance read the original scripture to find out all this were fake? Did you read the book of Solomon before the Editting?,
No! You just heard and believed. Then why are you so sure that what you heard was the truth?

Who was the prophet that asked that blood would be poured over him?

The teachings of Jesus is more extended than that of Paul. Paul's teachings was mostly on faith, he encoraged us to accept Jesus, have faith in Jesus and that Jesus with save us. Why Jesus taught about repentance, baptism, faith in God and in him, commandments and will of God etc Please tell me how that betrayed Jesus?

I'm willing to hear from you since you know a lot from what you heard or read from unknown sources and not from the scriptures or divine revelation.
No it was Uzair(Ezra) that was the only prophet that died and came back. You said David A.S. asked for blood to be poured over him, yes I was not there when the book was written buy him but I know with the kind of wisdom Almighty Allah blessed him with he cannot say such and also he being a prophet will definitely make him control his tongue and I cannot afford to buy and an original Gospel because its in millions of dollars the last that was found in turkey ancient Rome was sold for $40,000,000 and it Jesus did not die he ascended into heaven alive and it was Paul that betrayed him not Judas, and it was confirmed an original because it was in Aramaic.
I have faith in Jesus A.S. but it is not his power that's going to save it is God's own, if sin Allah is the one that forgives me not him, Allah feeds me not him Allah created me not him, I love him as a prophet and messenger of God and that's it.

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Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by orunto27: 1:05pm On Feb 02, 2017
No. If you believe One without the other, it means that you don't understand fully what you believe in. We call that half education, which is very bad.
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by jchioma: 4:56pm On Feb 02, 2017
orunto27:


No. If you believe One without the other, it means that you don't understand fully what you believe in. We call that half education, which is very bad.

Do you know that according to Islam, if you believe Jesus as the Son of God you go to hell, and according to Christianity if you believe that Jesus is not the Son of God you go to hell. Now, how are we supposed to know what exactly happened in the Middle East 2000 years ago? Of course we cannot know, we can only believe. I still believe in God but sometimes I feel very lost and insecure with all these hell ish.

People and religions say you should love God, but I do not understand how I could love someone who would put me into hell for eternity based on what I believe about Jesus, even though God knows my situation and knows that I could never be sure about which belief is true. Did God ever say anything about sending anyone to hell? I don't think so! Why will the 'Jesus' character now come and contradict God's stand if he is not a figure raised by the Romans with a carrot and stick measure just to scare us and bring us to subjugation?

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Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by orunto27: 8:46pm On Feb 02, 2017
For God so love the World that He gave His Son, Christ, that, whoever believes in Him, will not Perish but have Eternal Life. That's to say, if you don't believe in Jesus Christ, you Perish, that's go to Hell. If you believe, you have Eternal Life, which means Heaven straight you go. Muslims and Judaism have something to hide about Jesus Christ which they swore never to reveal. Strict Islamism is Christianity arabianised.
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by orunto27: 5:59am On Feb 04, 2017
jchioma:


Do you know that according to Islam, if you believe Jesus as the Son of God you go to hell, and according to Christianity if you believe that Jesus is not the Son of God you go to hell. Now, how are we supposed to know what exactly happened in the Middle East 2000 years ago? Of course
we cannot know, we can only
believe. I still believe in God but

sometimes I feel very lost and


insecure with all these hell ish.

Many at time The Muslims and The Judaists know certain things The Christians know, but don't want to talk about it. The Muslims laugh at Christians when they openly say that their Fathers BLEEP their Mothers to bear them.
The Jews are just jealous of Contemporary Jesus.
When you know The Truth, but can't talk 'cos you're afraid of The DSS, you're in Hell already.

People and religions say you should love God, but I do not understand how I could love someone who would put me into hell for eternity based on what I believe about Jesus, even though God knows my situation and knows that I could never be sure about which belief is true. Did God ever say anything about sending anyone to hell? I don't think so! Why will the 'Jesus' character now come and contradict God's stand if he is not a figure raised by the Romans with a carrot and stick measure just to scare us and bring us to subjugation?
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by mostelected: 10:04pm On Feb 05, 2017
najib632:
No it was Uzair(Ezra) that was the only prophet that died and came back. You said David A.S. asked for blood to be poured over him, yes I was not there when the book was written buy him but I know with the kind of wisdom Almighty Allah blessed him with he cannot say such and also he being a prophet will definitely make him control his tongue and I cannot afford to buy and an original Gospel because its in millions of dollars the last that was found in turkey ancient Rome was sold for $40,000,000 and it Jesus did not die he ascended into heaven alive and it was Paul that betrayed him not Judas, and it was confirmed an original because it was in Aramaic.
I have faith in Jesus A.S. but it is not his power that's going to save it is God's own, if sin Allah is the one that forgives me not him, Allah feeds me not him Allah created me not him, I love him as a prophet and messenger of God and that's it.

I'm sorry but then your point is pointless and baseless. Just speaking on your own understanding and wisdom as a human. Don't start an argument when you cannot defend it. Its an individual race so good luck on your own wisdom.
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by najib632(m): 11:45am On Feb 06, 2017
mostelected:


I'm sorry but then your point is pointless and baseless. Just speaking on your own understanding and wisdom as a human. Don't start an argument when you cannot defend it. Its an individual race so good luck on your own wisdom.
ok
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by sonmvayina(m): 3:48pm On Feb 10, 2017
orunto27:
For God so love the World that He gave His Son, Christ, that, whoever believes in Him, will not Perish but have Eternal Life. That's to say, if you don't believe in Jesus Christ, you Perish, that's go to Hell. If you believe, you have Eternal Life, which means Heaven straight you go. Muslims and Judaism have something to hide about Jesus Christ which they swore never to reveal. Strict Islamism is Christianity arabianised.

why wil a loving God create a devil to toment you?..

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Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by orunto27: 7:08am On Feb 11, 2017
sonmvayina:


why wil a loving God create a devil to toment you?..

Spare The Rod and spoil The Child. The Bible says this. The One Who does and doesn't spare The Rod is Abba God using His Department of Discipline at His Own Pleasure. The Point there's is, you're to know God and who's Jesus Christ very well.
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by orunto27: 7:44am On Feb 11, 2017
sonmvayina:


why wil a loving God create a devil to toment you?..

You, as a Boss or a Father figure to an Atheist staff or son of yours, can't sit down and allow that staff or son stick his finger into your eyes without punishing him somehow? That Punishment to your staff or son is satanic to him but Godly to you doing The Will of ABBA FATHER.
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by laribari(m): 9:27pm On Feb 11, 2017
Auki:
Worship God alone not Jesus or any other creatures.

Believe that Jesus, Noah, Abraham, Muhammad, Mosses(peace be on them all) etc are human being sent by God. They are to be obeyed not worship.

That is the right religion.

Arrant nonsense!!

For the fact you said.........peace be on them all shows you are a Muslim. Secondly, we are talking about Jesus christ but you still systematically slot in Muhammad inside, show you are an alakoba.

According to the stupid Op, you guys can believe exodus written by moses but not the gospel of John?

As dumb as you guys are let me ask. Which books talked more about heaven, peace and reconciliation with God? Isn't it the new testament and the gospel?

God is so so so deep and the revelation each one of us have of Him is different. It depends majorly on the dispensation.

Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

From the above verse, God made us to know that He is deeper than we can imagine, so He is I AM THAT I AM. Meaning He is what He is.

However, to put a name to it He told moses that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who are great men knew Him as God Almighty, but by His name. JEHOVAH was He not known to them. God revealed Himself to moses alone as Jehovah, no wonder he performed miracle becos he had a higher revelation of God's manifestation than Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who didn't perform jark.

TODAY, GOD HAS GIVEN US A HIGHER NAME WHICH IS JESUS AND THAT IS THE FULLNESS OF GOD.

I'm kinda tired I would have proven you scripturally that God in this age is named Jesus. wasn't it the angel Gabriel that hand picked that name?

If you don't believe in Jesus I'm sorry for you.
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by laribari(m): 9:35pm On Feb 11, 2017
orunto27:


Spare The Rod and spoil The Child. The Bible says this. The One Who does and doesn't spare The Rod is Abba God using His Department of Discipline at His Own Pleasure. The Point there's is, you're to know God and who's Jesus Christ very well.

Bros you are totally wrong.

God didn't create the devil to torment us instead the devil chose his own path. The torment is as a form of spoiling what we humanity have of God in our lives.

The thing that is upsetting lucifer is mankind. God adore man so much that lucifer was jealous. God inhabits in eternity but created heaven (dwelling of spiritual being) while He created earth for Adam (mankind).

Lucifer didn't like that and wanted to overthrow man by taking our authority from Adam. In fact before then, the fallen angels went in with the daughters of men and polluted mankind so that we will never be redeemed and their seeds were giants.

In the nut she'll, the torment we get aren't from God but lucifer.

Example: if you give birth to a child and he starts drinking and smoking weed etc. Will you blame the father by saying he gave birth to the child to be like that.

God didn't create lucifer to be that way, instead he chose his own path.
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by orunto27: 1:31pm On Feb 12, 2017
God works in Council. Lucifer was a member. Lucifer gave the suggestion that these Humans are Self and that their loyalty should be proved. Lucifer tried Its Theory on Eve and like a 419 It won. God decided to make It a sneaky Serpent Devil on Earth. Please note that it was the same Serpent Devil Lucifer that reported as Satan in Heaven with the other Children of God. And God permitted Satan to try JOB, second Adam, who was then behaving in the Face of God better than the first Adam.
In the first, Lucifer tried Eve, the woman first. The woman contaminated the man. In the second, Satan went straight for JOB, leaving the woman to play hate game with God. JOB and wife and the Pre Eminence Satan were The Adam, Eve and Serpent repeated to prove God's lives in Humans.
The Third Adam and Eve, Joseph and Mary, God finalised His Creations by bringing out Eve, perfect in Mary and coming down Himself through her to face Lucifer, Satan first in the Wilderness, next at Guantanamo(Getsemane) before Crucifixion and Resurrection.
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