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Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by HardMirror(m): 7:32am On Feb 05, 2017
malvisguy212:
Is it wrong for governmental authorities to execute a murderer ?All murder is killing but not all killing is murder. Murder involves killing unlawfully with premeditated malice.
Ask yourself, what would Jesus do? As a christian, you have no business killing anyone not even in self defense. Seems you don't read your bible.

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Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by malvisguy212: 7:45am On Feb 05, 2017
HardMirror:

Ask yourself, what would Jesus do? As a christian, you have no business killing anyone not even in self defense. Seems you don't read your bible.
what is the meaning of the 6th commandment ?
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by HardMirror(m): 8:21am On Feb 05, 2017
dallyemmy:
Read Numbers 1:44-45.
That is old testament. Imagine sending a 12 year old to war. I am talking about CHRISTIANS, supposed followers of Christ. Have you not read Mathew 5? Jesus said in the old testament "an eye for an eye" but now you shld turn the other cheek.
Wld jesus ever permit you to kill?

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Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by HardMirror(m): 8:24am On Feb 05, 2017
malvisguy212:
what is the meaning of the 6th commandment ?
Can christians kill even as soldiers? Shld a christian even be a soldier knowing he can be ordered to kill at anytime and he must obey. Show me scriptures backing christians not Jews to kill. Jesus can with a "better" covenant. A new way of life where it is wrong to follow "an eye for an eye" Mathew 5 (sermon on the mount)

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Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by dalaman: 8:42am On Feb 05, 2017
Christians know very well that the idiotic pacifism thought by Jesus is impossible. They can't ever follow his teachings. They just love to talk about how their Jesus talked about love. They will tell you that you are to love your enemies, love your neighbors as your self, turn the other cheek and the other nonsense Jesus said they should do that they NEVER follow. They only talk about it. Jesus went as far as saying that if a person takes your shirt you are to give him your coat. He encouraged his followers to run away when prosecuted instead of fighting back.

The new testament is filled with idiotic pasifism that no christian ever follows. They NEVER follow it. They only keep repeating it like robots. They know very well that it is all nonsense and impossible to follow any of the nonsense Jesus said. That's why I can see felixmor and malvisguy212 crying baa baa baa, meh meh meh without using the bible to support anything they are saying. If it were another topic they'll be throwing bible verses at you like some deranged goats now all they can do is cry baa baa baa, meh meh meh.

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Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by AceRoyal: 9:48am On Feb 05, 2017
YES!!!
CHRISTIANS ARE ALLOWED TO KILL IN SELF DEFENSE!
EVEN GOD ENCOURAGES SELF DEFENSE AND TOTAL ANNIHILATION!!!
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by MakeADifference: 9:48am On Feb 05, 2017
Very useless post - simply to lead people in to a useless argument.

Did you see a command in the Bible - 'thou shall not be a soldier"?


Did you see a command "thou shall not do your 'legal duties' as a Christian?

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Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by INTERMAN: 9:52am On Feb 05, 2017
HardMirror:
The days of fighting physical battles is over, in fact if the bible is to be followed, it is even a sin to take vengeance in any form. The New testament makes it clear that gone are the days of an eye for an eye. It is the age of turning the left cheek when the right cheek is slapped. It is an age of fighting with spiritual weapons. It is an age of evangelism and not warfare.

There seems to be Absolutely NO REASON why a christian should be a soldier. Jesus would certainly from at any of his sheep throwing bombs at souls he created.

What are your thoughts on this?

Can a soldier indeed go to heaven if killed in warfare? Can a christian be a soldier?





IS THERE ANY TIME A CHRISTIAN IS PERMITTED TO KILL? CAN A CHRISTIAN KILL IN SELF DEFENSE?

ok dont kill. Allow the boko haram to kill you then... Nonsense

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Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by SalamRushdie: 9:52am On Feb 05, 2017
Christians are permitted to kill to stop the extinction of Christianity
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by actrinity(m): 9:53am On Feb 05, 2017
HardMirror:
The days of fighting physical battles is over, in fact if the bible is to be followed, it is even a sin to take vengeance in any form. The New testament makes it clear that gone are the days of an eye for an eye. It is the age of turning the left cheek when the right cheek is slapped. It is an age of fighting with spiritual weapons. It is an age of evangelism and not warfare.

There seems to be Absolutely NO REASON why a christian should be a soldier. Jesus would certainly from at any of his sheep throwing bombs at souls he created.

What are your thoughts on this?

Can a soldier indeed go to heaven if killed in warfare? Can a christian be a soldier?





IS THERE ANY TIME A CHRISTIAN IS PERMITTED TO KILL? CAN A CHRISTIAN KILL IN SELF DEFENSE?

Is israel not a christian state? Don't they have an army? You can now figure out the rest by yourself.

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Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by thuggCheetah(m): 9:55am On Feb 05, 2017
HardMirror:

Where are the scripture? Or you don't have a bible?
u way get bible
Show us d scripture where Christians were permitted to use technology or even go to school or watch movies
Ewu
So because scripture did not say somtin..we shouldbt do it
OK naw...let all Christian soldiers resign... Let book haram b killing us and we will fold our hands staring at dem even wen we have rifles for self defense... Mtchew

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Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by tigonana: 9:57am On Feb 05, 2017
Dis nairaland self!!!

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Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by Nobody: 9:58am On Feb 05, 2017
Christians shouldn't kill.
Christians shouldn't join the army.

Christians have been separated from the state.

The state has been established to perform its earthly duty. And protect its citizens.

Everyone must obey the state and pray for it.

Christians are called out for no flesh or physical battle.

Our weapon is the word of God and prayer for we wrestle not against flesh and blood bla bla bla

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Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by malvisguy212: 9:59am On Feb 05, 2017
HardMirror:

Can christians kill even as soldiers? Shld a christian even be a soldier knowing he can be ordered to kill at anytime and he must obey. Show me scriptures backing christians not Jews to kill. Jesus can with a "better" covenant. A new way of life where it is wrong to follow "an eye for an eye" Mathew 5 (sermon on the mount)
dint the children of israel have soldier ? Did God condemn the isrealite for fighting war against their enemy ? An atheist will say God encourage war now it is the same atheist who is saying different thing now just to prove his point. I wept for you. are you people alright ? What is the biterness that is in you corncerning christianity ? Is your mom a christian ? Did you hate her ?

D

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Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by guy1234: 9:59am On Feb 05, 2017
John 13:34-35 answers your question.

34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

How do you love when you kill?

Check this scenario: Nigeria and Ghana declared war on themselves. Nigerian Redeemed members that are soliders went to Adeboye to bless them as they go to war to face the Ghanaians. Ghanaian redeemed members that are soldiers also went to the Ghana national coordinator for prayers. They got to the war front both carrying ak47's. One now recorgnizrd the other as the usher during last years Holy Ghost congress. What will they do? Shoot themselves or drop their guns?

ASK YOURSELF: whose prayers between the two nations will God answer? Who will God support? How will they show they love themselves and apply Jesus commandments written in the scripture quoted ?

A CHRISTIAN SHOULD NOT KILL A FELLOW HUMAN.

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Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by oglalasioux(m): 9:59am On Feb 05, 2017
Further evidence of the confusion in religion. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all have military instructions in their 'holy' books; the instructions to murder anyone that doesn't share their opinion about god. So what are you saying, OP? Your answers are in the Bible.

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Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by 9jalyte: 10:01am On Feb 05, 2017
MakeADifference:
Very useless post - simply to lead people in to a useless argument.

Did you see a command in the Bible - 'thou shall not be a soldier"?


Did you see a command "thou shall not do your 'legal duties' as a Christian?

Why I like this post is that it will make a fool of those Lazy, and weak Christians who always hide under one quote "vengeance is for me say the lord" to justify why they will not defend themselves ( Southern Kaduna and Northern Christians come to mind). If God allows Soldiers to kill for the sake of defending their country, what made them think God will be angry when the whole people (not just a selected called the army) should right to fight their battle themselves. Unfortunately, there is no argument about God and faith that Christians have ever won before, they will express their poor intellectual depth and find one verse to hide behind.

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Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by Nobody: 10:02am On Feb 05, 2017
cummando:
Its a job!!!!!!
Once in uniform anything you do is on the country.
Off it you are human.
That's why they are called zombies...tools
The other adversary is a symbol not a personperson
Heaven is sure for soldiers. That follow orders. No matter what
The Messiah has spoken. You must be the Vicar of Christ. cheesy

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Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by poyet(m): 10:02am On Feb 05, 2017
HardMirror:
The days of fighting physical battles is over, in fact if the bible is to be followed, it is even a sin to take vengeance in any form. The New testament makes it clear that gone are the days of an eye for an eye. It is the age of turning the left cheek when the right cheek is slapped. It is an age of fighting with spiritual weapons. It is an age of evangelism and not warfare.

There seems to be Absolutely NO REASON why a christian should be a soldier. Jesus would certainly from at any of his sheep throwing bombs at souls he created.

What are your thoughts on this?

Can a soldier indeed go to heaven if killed in warfare? Can a christian be a soldier?





IS THERE ANY TIME A CHRISTIAN IS PERMITTED TO KILL? CAN A CHRISTIAN KILL IN SELF DEFENSE?

God constituted authorities. In fact asked us, in the book of First Timothy, to first of all, pray for the authorities before anything else. Working as a security personnel, which being a soldier is part of, is no something you made up. The authorities God established constituted it for the sake of security of lives and properties. That's why security personnel usually hunt for bad guys, even though innocent people sometimes get nabbed for one reason or another. If it warrants killing, that will not be shied away from, especially when the perpetrator is armed and dangerous or when trying to evade arrest, and their crimes are grievous. Apart from this, criminals are supposed to arrested alive. That will even enhance and expedite the arrest of others.
The matter is that self defence might not have been mentioned bluntly in the Bible. But we saw the Israelites going to war against their enemies who threatened or fought them. That has not changed, buddy. As long as you are not the one starting it, it is absolutely in order to defend one's self, especially when someone is coming to take your life.

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Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by Nobody: 10:05am On Feb 05, 2017
HardMirror:

Scriptures?
Cos I don't think so. Every murderer will go to hell. Whose orders should a christian follow? God or man? Jesus would NEVER permit a man to kill another man.

Why I love Jehovah witnesses. They don't have any business with politics or military.

The idea of killing in the military is for the protection of your country. So let's say someone came in your house with a weapon while your wife and children were asleep. Would you take care of them before they took care of your loved ones? Or would you question it?

In the New Testament, Jesus marveled when a Roman centurion (an officer in charge of one hundred soldiers) approached Him. The centurion’s response to Jesus indicated his clear understanding of authority, as well as his faith in Jesus (Matthew 8:5-13). Jesus did not denounce his career. Many centurions mentioned in the New Testament are praised as Christians, God-fearers, and men of good character.

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Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by sparko1(m): 10:06am On Feb 05, 2017
dallyemmy:
Luke 3:14

And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.

Out of context, "be content with your wages", that means they are allowed to do their job which is protecting life even if they have to kill to accomplish that!

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Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by amnesty7: 10:07am On Feb 05, 2017
"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me."
According to Luke 19:27 , Jesus commanded.
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by AngelsAndStars(m): 10:07am On Feb 05, 2017
HardMirror:

I don't see you quoting any scriptures yet. I only see you glorying in murders which your God wld judge with hell fire. When last have you won a soul to christ? Have you taken time to win muslims to Jesus? How many converts do you have? God should not reward you for lives you killed, he would reward you for lives you saved. I guess you don't read your bible.
Give to Caesar(government) what belongs to Caesar(government) and to God what belongs to God. Jesus recognized the government. now please do read up what government means.

thank me later

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Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by Nobody: 10:08am On Feb 05, 2017
felixomor:
Oga atheist, wetin concern you with christian and scriptures again?

And wetin concern you with the atheist's concerns?
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by nattty(m): 10:10am On Feb 05, 2017
It is warfare, don't forget life is not fair anyway and don't be too sentimental about Christianity... you can't criticize a man who has vowed to defend his country for the purpose of peace...it's not sin to kill when you're about been killed.
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by phyllosilicate(m): 10:12am On Feb 05, 2017
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. Mathew 10: 34

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by Firstcitizen: 10:12am On Feb 05, 2017

Like 22:36

Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

The swords were for what purpose?
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by satysaca: 10:12am On Feb 05, 2017
HardMirror:
The days of fighting physical battles is over, in fact if the bible is to be followed, it is even a sin to take vengeance in any form. The New testament makes it clear that gone are the days of an eye for an eye. It is the age of turning the left cheek when the right cheek is slapped. It is an age of fighting with spiritual weapons. It is an age of evangelism and not warfare.

There seems to be Absolutely NO REASON why a christian should be a soldier. Jesus would certainly from at any of his sheep throwing bombs at souls he created.

What are your thoughts on this?

Can a soldier indeed go to heaven if killed in warfare? Can a christian be a soldier?





IS THERE ANY TIME A CHRISTIAN IS PERMITTED TO KILL? CAN A CHRISTIAN KILL IN SELF DEFENSE?


if that is the case why are pastors guiding themselves with police and ready to ask them to shoot at an enemy .please explain why men of God hire military and police men
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by hopefulLandlord: 10:14am On Feb 05, 2017
checks in
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by zionmade(m): 10:20am On Feb 05, 2017
The reason why atheists and Muslims always rush on sundays to raise stupid questions about Christianity is because an atheist just dnt have any peace of mind within himself knowing full well that thereis a hole in his heart only God can fill while the muslims know that what they practice is just useless but they cant leave it because of the death penalty awaiting them

The only sin in the bible is defined as "anything not done by faith and love" Jesus said dat all the laws are summarized in the commandment love thy neighbor as urself.
Love is wen a soldier picks up his gun to protect d lives of others.
Jesuz healed the servant of a centurion(army general) and even said dat he has never seen a faith like his own in the whole Israel
Love is when a soldier knows dat even though death awaits him, he wont relent in ensuring that other lives are secured
Peter went to a centurion's house and the Holy Spirit came upon him and his family even before peter prayed.
Now who are u to condemn a general in army who God chooses to reside in his heart.
Please dnt ask me of where u can find these in the bible because i believe those that read the Bible as d Op claims will know exactly where to find it

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Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by Nobody: 10:21am On Feb 05, 2017
As a christian what did your conscience tell you when as you kill as a soldier in a battle or self defence? Am sure your conscience will condemn you if you kill a helpless innocent man.
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by tigonana: 10:22am On Feb 05, 2017
hopefulLandlord:
checks in
kaabo!!!!

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