Pidgin2:



Hey, stop listening to stories on the Internet try to get actual experience.
I have discovered that most people writing bad things about Nigeria are the frustrated folks who would rather cross to Europe through Lybia than to be productive to themselves.

You say we don't have running water here? Well, that's a big lie, we do. And if anyone does not then they can supply their own water by digging a bore hole for themselves or their communities (no one pays tax for this and you get constant water for life once this is done). They can form groups to achieve this if funds are limited.

Public schools are totally free here too and most of our leaders today attended these schools, people can also make choices based on their budgets on the kind of schools they want their kids to attend, they can also home school if they chose. As for light, we were paying only N87/ltr for fuel to run our gen in 2015, I believe we can get back to that again with good leadership. Some places do have good light supply. Alternative energy like solar and wind is being used privately.


Alternative medicine here is an option which people use (just like in China and India) our grand parents lived very long too. As for Western medicine, some states do give free basic health care to pregnant women and children under 5. Most government and state hospitals are heavily subsidized

Nigeria is not hell, contrary to what you might think so someone earning N400K a month can expand his wealth greatly in an almost tax free country. Everything depends on him and his God

Pidgin2:



Hey, stop listening to stories on the Internet try to get actual experience.
I have discovered that most people writing bad things about Nigeria are the frustrated folks who would rather cross to Europe through Lybia than to be productive to themselves.

You say we don't have running water here? Well, that's a big lie, we do. And if anyone does not then they can supply their own water by digging a bore hole for themselves or their communities (no one pays tax for this and you get constant water for life once this is done). They can form groups to achieve this if funds are limited.

Public schools are totally free here too and most of our leaders today attended these schools, people can also make choices based on their budgets on the kind of schools they want their kids to attend, they can also home school if they chose. As for light, we were paying only N87/ltr for fuel to run our gen in 2015, I believe we can get back to that again with good leadership. Some places do have good light supply. Alternative energy like solar and wind is being used privately.


Alternative medicine here is an option which people use (just like in China and India) our grand parents lived very long too. As for Western medicine, some states do give free basic health care to pregnant women and children under 5. Most government and state hospitals are heavily subsidized

Nigeria is not hell, contrary to what you might think so someone earning N400K a month can expand his wealth greatly in an almost tax free country. Everything depends on him and his God

maternal:


Go and find your president before comparing naija to a western country. Still digging Bore hole in 2017. You've proven my point.

Collyno82:

Stop defending the undefendable.

Pidgin2:



Lol so because of Buhari I should discard my country? Your level of reasoning is too low. Go and seek wisdom from the elderly, you need knowledge.

Nobody is stopping you from running to Lybia and crossing over to Europe if you like. The OP is not poverty stricken this is why I asked him to look inwards, you are frustrated because you fail to look at what you have, the only thing you see is what others have.

maternal:


Epic fail.

I'm a Canadian citizen.

Pidgin2:



Hey, stop listening to stories on the Internet try to get actual experience.
I have discovered that most people writing bad things about Nigeria are the frustrated folks who would rather cross to Europe through Lybia than to be productive to themselves.

You say we don't have running water here? Well, that's a big lie, we do. And if anyone does not then they can supply their own water by digging a bore hole for themselves or their communities (no one pays tax for this and you get constant water for life once this is done). They can form groups to achieve this if funds are limited.

Public schools are totally free here too and most of our leaders today attended these schools, people can also make choices based on their budgets on the kind of schools they want their kids to attend, they can also home school if they chose. As for light, we were paying only N87/ltr for fuel to run our gen in 2015, I believe we can get back to that again with good leadership. Some places do have good light supply. Alternative energy like solar and wind is being used privately.


Alternative medicine here is an option which people use (just like in China and India) our grand parents lived very long too. As for Western medicine, some states do give free basic health care to pregnant women and children under 5. Most government and state hospitals are heavily subsidized

Nigeria is not hell, contrary to what you might think so someone earning N400K a month can expand his wealth greatly in an almost tax free country. Everything depends on him and his God

Pidgin2:



Alternative medicine here is an option which people use (just like in China and India) our grand parents lived very long too. As for Western medicine, some states do give free basic health care to pregnant women and children under 5. Most government and state hospitals are heavily subsidized

Nigeria is not hell, contrary to what you might think so someone earning N400K a month can expand his wealth greatly in an almost tax free country.

ApexTitan:
Like I've been saying throughout this thread there are actually good and valid reasons to want to remain in Nigeria but those reasons fall outside the realm of personal financial/economic prosperity. In fact, if it were based on just those factors then remaining in Nigeria is not the wisest of choices especially if one has the chance now to relocate.

You are not doing your side of the debate any good with the points you are raising as those are even compelling reasons why anyone with the means should leave immediately. Most, if not all, of the responsibilities that the middle class in Nigeria currently bear, have long since been borne by the state in first world nations like Canada. As a result, the middle class there is free to channel its resources, time and effort to professional/personal development and wealth creation.

The middle class in 9ja do not have this luxury; they are still digging their own boreholes, patching their own roads, buying generators to supply their own electricity etc. The quality of education in public schools is now way below the desired level required for life in the 21st century, it was not like this when the current crop of leaders attended them back in the day.

keni:


I totally disagree, with this with 400k you would still be paying for most things out of pocket secondly even doctors here go abroad when they have certain medical issues please this is like comparing oranges and apple, based on the few things highlighted here, OP I strongly advice you to go to Canada but please do your home work

ApexTitan:
Like I've been saying throughout this thread there are actually good and valid reasons to want to remain in Nigeria but those reasons fall outside the realm of personal financial/economic prosperity. In fact, if it were based on just those factors then remaining in Nigeria is not the wisest of choices especially if one has the chance now to relocate.

You are not doing your side of the debate any good with the points you are raising as those are even compelling reasons why anyone with the means should leave immediately. Most, if not all, of the responsibilities that the middle class in Nigeria currently bear, have long since been borne by the state in first world nations like Canada. As a result, the middle class there is free to channel its resources, time and effort to professional/personal development and wealth creation.

The middle class in 9ja do not have this luxury; they are still digging their own boreholes, patching their own roads, buying generators to supply their own electricity etc. The quality of education in public schools is now way below the desired level required for life in the 21st century, it was not like this when the current crop of leaders attended them back in the day.

Pidgin2:


Good, you are a Canadian and you love your country so what makes you feel you have bragging rights and I don't because I am a Nigerian?

What do you know about the things we enjoy here?

1) We pay very little tax here..

2) Our weather is never ever extreme, in fact we have so many months of good weather.

3) I can open multiple businesses and enjoy many months of tax exemptions

4) I can decide to start any legit business I chose with no questions asked by any authorities, all I need is to fill business opening forms and it is done

5) We actually own houses here without paying mortgage..

6) Land is easily bought here with flexible payment plans if one knows where to go

7) Whatever you do in your house e.g. borehole for water, installing solar panels, or using lister is all up to you

I can go on but I have got other things to do.

I am a Nigerian citizen and a very contented one at that, deal with it.

Pidgin2:



Well we don't pay enough taxes down here while the middle class pays for these things over there so I don't see anything wrong in providing some things for ourselves.

The middle class are not all digging boreholes lol those who stay in urban centers do have running water in their homes(don't get me wrong). Did you do any assessment on the quality of education obtainable in public schools? I would like to see an actual report on these findings if available.

maternal:


Pidgeot-babe, the man asked about opinions about if his "friend" should take the risk to migrate to Canada. As a dual citizen of both countries who has also lived in both countries, I gave my opinion. Really who else is better qualified to give such advice ? You started to catch feelings and brought you trouble my way. What's even funny is that you think the points you're making proves your case while in reality its proving why anyone who has the chance to leave should get out ASAP.

1. Paying very little tax is nothing something to brag about. When a society pays for something collectively as a whole, with the rich and big corporations paying more in taxes, it makes life cheaper and helps the middle. The very little taxes explains why the roads are horrible, infrastructure is a joke, gov't healthcare is almost dead last in the world, etc. I'll gladly pay more in taxes.

2. I'd rather prosper in a colder temp country than live in poverty in the hot sun.

3. Businesses get tax exempts here as well.

4. Starting ANY legit business you chose with no questions asked is not something to brag about. That's exactly why Nigeria is a ZOO. In a civilized country not only must you have to be qualified, they'll be inspectors to make sure safety, sanitation, etc is in order.

5. A very few actually owns houses there. The majority live in poverty, without constant running water, neppa,etc. The reason why most don't use/have mortgages is not because money is flying everywhere, and everybody is buying their houses with cash. It's because the majority of Nigerians live below the poverty line, high youth unemployment rate, and there is NO middle class in the country. In short banks would lose money and go under if they gave out mortgages like in the west. That being said, I know some in Nigeria who do have mortgages in Nigeria.

https://www.ripplesnigeria.com/nigerias-poverty-level-index-hits-72-2016-fitch-reports/

6. Land is easily bought with flexible payment plans ? Doesn't that sound like a mortgage.


7. Again Nigeria is a ZOO where most houses lack proper amenities. In 2017 we're still talking about boreholes ?

Please don't go on, you're embarrassing yourself.

Dual Canadian/Nigerian citizen who's perception of reality is not distorted by foolish patriotism. Deal with it baby girl.

Pidgin2:


By saying Nigeria is a zoo you are indirectly calling us who live here Animals, right? You claim to live in a society with high standards, basic amenities, the best education, good health care facilities and so on and yet you still come across as uncivilized and unsophisticated. So what is the point of all the luxury when your state of mind is still like that of the average Street boy in Nigeria.


If this was a well moderated forum you will not get away with such insult. Nigeria is not a zoo, it is a country and we owe it a duty to make things work

I have never liked Buhari because he doesn't practice what he preaches but the fact is that we all should feel a sense of responsibility towards our country. That said, the OP is at liberty to make his choice as for me o won't even give it a passing thought if I was in his shoes

Seun, why haven't you relocated?

justwise:

maternal:


Go and find your president before comparing naija to a western country. Still digging Bore hole in 2017. You've proven my point.

WellEndowed:


I beg where will you see/find the president? Someone that is enjoying correct medical care in the land of obodo oyibo.

Who knows...maybe Theresa May and Trump and Turnbull and Putin and Merkel e.t.c all plan to visit Naija for medical check up.

Nigeria's HOD(head of state) is busy enjoying the health care system of a developed country. The guy isn't a patriot Why should I be?

Even Bobrisky isn't a patriot. He has bleached so tey even his pubic hair join inside the bleach..and una want me to be a patriot?. The only reason why I haven't bleached my skin is because no amount of TURA is enough to scrape of this BLACK. Plus gone are the days of good ol Tura...the ones we see around (That's if Omotola's husband is not busy collecting them and stashing them away at his place), are china made

WellEndowed:


I beg where will you see/find the president? Someone that is enjoying correct medical care in the land of obodo oyibo.

Who knows...maybe Theresa May and Trump and Turnbull and Putin and Merkel e.t.c all plan to visit Naija for medical check up.

Nigeria's HOD(head of state) is busy enjoying the health care system of a developed country. The guy isn't a patriot Why should I be?

Even Bobrisky isn't a patriot. He has bleached so tey even his pubic hair join inside the bleach..and una want me to be a patriot?. The only reason why I haven't bleached my skin is because no amount of TURA is enough to scrape of this BLACK. Plus gone are the days of good ol Tura...the ones we see around (That's if Omotola's husband is not busy collecting them and stashing them away at his place), are china made

Pidgin2:


By saying Nigeria is a zoo you are indirectly calling us who live here Animals, right? You claim to live in a society with high standards, basic amenities, the best education, good health care facilities and so on and yet you still come across as uncivilized and unsophisticated. So what is the point of all the luxury when your state of mind is still like that of the average Street boy in Nigeria.


Nigeria is not a zoo, it is a country and we owe it a duty to make things work

I have never liked Buhari because he doesn't practice what he preaches but the fact is that we all should feel a sense of responsibility towards our country. That said, the OP is at liberty to make his choice as for me o won't even give it a passing thought if I was in his shoes

Seun, why haven't you relocated?

Pidgin2:


justwise lol

Edited..

maternal:


I'm calling anyone who foolishly defends the country and policies, like it's progressive an animal. Buhari doesn't practice what he preaches. Name me one naija politician who did since 1960 ? You have to admit you have a problem before you can fix it.

Pidgin2:


No one is foolishly defending anything, I will never hate my country and I am sure there are a few people like me here too. Are you hanging around here to get a kick out of Nigerians hating on our country or what?

Here are the names of a few presidents that did well: Obasanjo, Yaradua and Goodluck Ebere Jonathan.

Pidgin2:


The glass is either half full or half empty, it all depends on your mindset. It is a free world no one is forcing you to see things my way

Pidgin2:


No one is foolishly defending anything, I will never hate my country and I am sure there are a few people like me here too. Are you hanging around here to get a kick out of Nigerians hating on our country or what?

Here are the names of a few presidents that did well: Obasanjo, Yaradua and Goodluck Ebere Jonathan.

Collyno82:

This is just a simple discourse. Stop mixing up issues. It is not an emotional question like Nigeria n Canada which do u love most. Someone is seeking for an advice, why not advise him n stop this ur holier than thou patriotism