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Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:04am On Feb 16, 2017
Roman Catholic Group Requests 'Pope Francis' Refer to Mary as 'Co-Redemptrix With Jesus'
By Heather Clark on February 15, 2017
Photo Credit: Lloyd Baltazar


The International Marian Association has requested that the leader of Roman Catholicism, Jorge Bergoglio, also known as Pope Francis, refer to Mary as "co-redemptrix with Jesus the redeemer" during the 100th year anniversary of the purported apparitions of Mary in Fatima, Portugal.
The Theological Commission of the Marian Association, which is comprised of 30 supportive entities, including Vatican Secretariat of State Florian Kolfhaus, Andrew Apostoli of the Eternal Word Television Network (EWTN), Elias Mary of the Our Lady of Guadalupe Sanctuary in Wisconsin, and Michael O’Neill and Christopher Padgett of the Mariological Society of America, recently released a 10-page document outlining why Mary is deserving of the title.

It states that Mary passed on her sinless nature—given to her by God at conception—to Jesus, that He might redeem the world from sin. Through her willing human participation in the Father’s divine means of saving wicked men, the Commission contends, she is the “New Eve” just as Jesus is the "New Adam."

"Mary, the 'full of grace' (Lk. 1:28) was providentially prepared by the Father through her Immaculate Conception to participate with the Son in the crushing of the head of Satan and redeeming humanity from sin, and to pass on to her divine Son an immaculate human nature like her own in order to accomplish the mission of redemption," the document asserts.

"Within the rich tradition of the Church the patristic concept of Mary as the 'New Eve' who uniquely worked with Jesus, the 'New Adam,' to restore the life of grace to the human family contains within itself the doctrine of Mary’s unique participation with Jesus in the redemption," it states. "Declared 'Mother of the Church' by Pope Bl. Paul VI, Mary ‘cooperated in initiating God's kingdom' and thus manifested her motherly co-redemption for the Church."

The Commission clarifies, however, that the title of co-redemptrix does not set Mary as equal with Christ, as it believes such a concept would be heresy.

"The philosophical and theological meaning of 'participation' includes the understanding of an inferior being 'taking part in' (partem capere) the perfections or qualities of a superior being," it outlines. "Thus, Mary’s participation in the redemption of Christ in no way diminishes His perfect divine redemption, but rather in a human feminine and maternal expression, partakes in its divine power and efficacy."

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The Marian Association therefore requests that "Pope Francis would kindly grant public recognition and honour to the role of the Blessed Virgin Mary as 'co-redemptrix with Jesus the redeemer'" during the Fatima observance in May. It says that the recognition would provide a means for humanity to consider how God used men as a vessel as He carried out His purposes in the plan of salvation.

"We believe that a public acknowledgement of Mary's true and continuous role with Jesus in the saving work of redemption would justly celebrate the role of humanity in God’s saving plan; foster greater devotion to the mother of God; and lead to the release of historic graces through an even more powerful exercise of our lady’s maternal roles of intercession for the Church and for all humanity today," it writes.


While the Association says that title would point the eyes of the people to the cross of Christ, some beg to differ. Mike Gendron of Proclaiming the Gospel Ministries in Plano, Texas told Christian News Network that the Roman Catholic religion often attributes many of Christ’s characteristics to Mary.

"They teach that both were conceived without sin and lived sinless lives, and both are our advocates. They proclaim that Jesus is the source of grace, Mary is the channel of all grace; Jesus is the Mediator, Mary is the Mediatrix; Jesus ascended into glory, Mary's body was assumed into glory; Jesus is the King of Heaven, Mary is the Queen of Heaven; Jesus is the Prince of peace, and Mary is the Queen of peace," he explained.
Gendron said that these doctrines are unbiblical. Further considering Mary now as co-redemptrix, he opined, rather takes God’s rightful glory and gives part of it to man.

"Nowhere in Scripture is Mary referred to as co-redeemer or co-mediatrix," he declared. "It was the Lord Jesus, not Mary, who gave His life as a ransom for many (Mark 10:45). It was Jesus, not Mary, who redeemed those who were once slaves to sin and purchased their freedom so that they are no longer in bondage to sin. Jesus gave Himself to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own (Titus 2:14)."

“For anyone to refer to Mary as co-redemptrix not only violates the truth of God's Word, it also dishonours the Lord Jesus Christ and robs Him of the glory, honor and praise that He alone deserves," Gendron stated.

Pope John Paul II referred to Mary as co-redemptrix on several occasions, but some worried that it would impede the ecumenical unity that Catholics were seeking with Christians.

"There is great spiritual danger for Catholics when they look to Mary and not Jesus," Gendron said. "Paul warned, ‘But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ (2 Corinthians 11:3).' I pray that Catholics will heed the exhortation from the book of Hebrews: 'Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God (Hebrews 12:2).'"

http://christiannews.net/2017/02/15/roman-catholic-group-requests-pope-francis-refer-to-mary-as-co-redemptrix-with-jesus/

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Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by ayaside(m): 5:16am On Feb 16, 2017
They trying to confuse themselves again...

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Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by orunto27: 5:47am On Feb 16, 2017
Confusion in Trinity again.
Under rating The Omnipotence of God and that Eve was formed from mere Ribs is fundamental to their differences with Islam.
Women are mere Portal's Design. God is their Ladi KwalI.
Mary is not a Redeemer. Jesus Christ, The Righteous, Lord God on Earth, Himself established The Offices of Eve, Mrs JOB and Holy Mary, The Mother of our Lord. The Three are one and the same in The Hands of God.
They are essentially made to reproduce but not to redeem anything. God redeems and resurrects at His Pleasure and Ratings.
God became Man. Yes. But Man can only become God when he accepts Jesus as LORD, The Savior and his Redeemer.
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by chiedu7: 5:54am On Feb 16, 2017



The bible is clear that their is ONE mediator between Man and God, that's Jesus.
So if there is ONE NOT TWO where does mary fit in?

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

The catholics have come with their philosophy that the bible rejects

Colossians 2:8
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men,
after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

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Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by DjAndroid: 6:02am On Feb 16, 2017
The Holy Bible should be the Christians' guide not their assumptions.

Very soon, the song will change to "Holy Mary, Forgive their sins"

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Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Alexk2(m): 6:02am On Feb 16, 2017
That's idolatry and no longer Christianity. Sometimes I wonder if some people read their Bible at all before coming out with such strange idea.

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Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by olaric(m): 7:03am On Feb 16, 2017
Always maintained that the Roman Catholic Church is a cult and not a true Church of God.

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Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by donnie(m): 9:53am On Feb 16, 2017
Abomination

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Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by donnie(m): 9:57am On Feb 16, 2017
Alexk2:
That's idolatry and no longer Christianity. Sometimes I wonder if some people read their Bible at all before coming out with such strange idea.
They regard "church tradition" more highly than the scriptures.

Mary wasn't conceived without sin. That's an outright lie.

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Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by donnie(m): 10:04am On Feb 16, 2017
DjAndroid:
The Holy Bible should be the Christians' guide not their assumptions.

Very soon, the song will change to "Holy Mary, Forgive their sins"

They will say ordinary men wrote the scriptures and it is neither the only source of truth nor is it absolute truth, thereby giving room for more deception.
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Ubenedictus(m): 12:44pm On Feb 16, 2017
Mary is co-redemptorist, that is historic christian teaching.

What does that mean?

It simply means that in an inferior manner she participated in the salvation of the world by voluntarily agreeing to bring forth for us our saviour, Jesus Christ who accomplished our salvation completely, totally and per excellence.

Jesus our saviour didnt fall from heaven someone had to co-operate with God so we all may be redeemed, this contribution is small and inferior but it is a contribution nonetheless and Mary is that person who made it. She made a contribution for my salvation, for your salvation, for our redemption. We cant sweep that truth away as if it didnt happen.

You don't need to be catholic to admit the truth that my her obedience to God, she contributed, though in an inferior manner to the world's redemption.

That much is scattered in the gospel, in the writting of the early christians and the historic judgement of the church.

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Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Ubenedictus(m): 12:53pm On Feb 16, 2017
Please don't lie about catholic just because you want to make a point. abeg, na sin.
donnie:


They will say ordinary men wrote the scriptures and it is neither the only source of truth nor is it absolute truth, thereby giving room for more deception.
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men wrote scripture and that is true but catholic are very quick to add that they wrote it under the inspiration of the holy spirit. Scripture is spirit breathed and so it is inerrant and a primary source of Divine revelation.

Even so scripture doesnt claim to be the ONLY source of revelation, it contains objective truth but it doesn't claim to sufficiently expound all truths that God has revealed.

That isnt deception it is fact.

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Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Ubenedictus(m): 1:02pm On Feb 16, 2017
donnie:

They regard "church tradition" more highly than the scriptures.

Mary wasn't conceived without sin. That's an outright lie.
that is a strawman you are making. Where does the catholic church say that 'church' tradition is to be regarded above scripture?

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Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Ubenedictus(m): 1:05pm On Feb 16, 2017
olaric:
Always maintained that the Roman Catholic Church is a cult and not a true Church of God.
it is the cult that compiled your new testament which means your bible is a cult book.

Ur 'church' all came from the cult after adopting the book she compiled, i guess that make u guys minor or smaller cult.

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Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Ubenedictus(m): 1:08pm On Feb 16, 2017
Alexk2:
That's idolatry and no longer Christianity. Sometimes I wonder if some people read their Bible at all before coming out with such strange idea.
so it is idolatry to state that in an inferior way mary contributed to our redemption by voluntarily cooperating with God to bring forth our redeemer?

Abeg do u even know the meaning of idolatry or are you just throwing fancy words around?

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Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Ubenedictus(m): 1:10pm On Feb 16, 2017
DjAndroid:
The Holy Bible should be the Christians' guide not their assumptions.

Very soon, the song will change to "Holy Mary, Forgive their sins"
And ur bible doesnt tell u that mary voluntarily cooperated to birth our redeemer?

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Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Ubenedictus(m): 1:11pm On Feb 16, 2017
chiedu7:



The bible is clear that their is ONE mediator between Man and God, that's Jesus.
So if there is ONE NOT TWO where does mary fit in?

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

The catholics have come with their philosophy that the bible rejects

Colossians 2:8
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men,
after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Weytin concern mediator and mary as co-redemptorist.

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Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:26pm On Feb 16, 2017
Ubenedictus:


Mary is co-redemptorist, that is historic christian teaching.

What does that mean?

It simply means that in an inferior manner she participated in the salvation of the world by voluntarily agreeing to bring forth for us our saviour, Jesus Christ who accomplished our salvation completely, totally and per excellence.

Jesus our saviour didnt fall from heaven someone had to co-operate with God so we all may be redeemed, this contribution is small and inferior but it is a contribution nonetheless and Mary is that person who made it. She made a contribution for my salvation, for your salvation, for our redemption. We cant sweep that truth away as if it didnt happen.

You don't need to be catholic to admit the truth that my her obedience to God, she contributed, though in an inferior manner to the world's redemption.

That much is scattered in the gospel, in the writting of the early christians and the historic judgement of the church.

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (1 Timothy 2:5). Jesus is the only way to God. No long story. cool

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Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Ubenedictus(m): 1:56pm On Feb 16, 2017
OLAADEGBU:


"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (1 Timothy 2:5). Jesus is the only way to God. No long story. cool
This is a stawman. what concern the fact that mary cooperated voluntarily in the salvation of humanity with the fact that Jesus is the ONE mediator within whom all xtians offer up intercessions?

two different topics, ur quote isnt relevant here unless u can find a quote that says 'no human participated in anyway in our redemption'.

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Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Syncan(m): 2:23pm On Feb 16, 2017
"The philosophical and theological meaning of 'participation' includes the understanding of an inferior being 'taking part in' (partem capere) the perfections or qualities of a superior being," it outlines. "Thus, Mary’s participation in the redemption of Christ in no way diminishes His perfect divine redemption, but rather in a human feminine and maternal expression, partakes in its divine power and efficacy."


Go school, person no go go, agree say you no know...mba! "...As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction" 2 Pet.3:16

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Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:26pm On Feb 16, 2017
Ubenedictus:


This is a stawman. what concern the fact that mary cooperated voluntarily in the salvation of humanity with the fact that Jesus is the ONE mediator within whom all xtians offer up intercessions?

two different topics, ur quote isnt relevant here unless u can find a quote that says 'no human participated in anyway in our redemption'.

Only One Person is both God and man and that is the man Christ Jesus. He is the only One who could mediate between men and our Creator God. He is the only way to God and our only true Advocate with the Father (See 1 Timothy 2:5; John 14:6; 1 John 2:1-2 for details). wink

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Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:34pm On Feb 16, 2017
Syncan:
"The philosophical and theological meaning of 'participation' includes the understanding of an inferior being 'taking part in' (partem capere) the perfections or qualities of a superior being," it outlines. "Thus, Mary’s participation in the redemption of Christ in no way diminishes His perfect divine redemption, but rather in a human feminine and maternal expression, partakes in its divine power and efficacy."


Go school, person no go go, agree say you no know...mba! "...As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction" 2 Pet.3:16

"Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus" (Acts 4:13).

Depending on what kind of schooling you are on about. Peter and John were also accused on being unlearned and ignorant men but being with Jesus yielded them greater wisdom and courage than the religious folks of their days. They also lived happier and more productive lives than the kind of your kind of education would grant you. cool
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Syncan(m): 2:39pm On Feb 16, 2017
OLAADEGBU:


"Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus" (Acts 4:13).

Depending on what kind of schooling you are on about. Peter and John were also accused on being unlearned and ignorant men but being with Jesus yielded them greater wisdom and courage than the religious folks of their days. They also lived happier and more productive lives than the kind of your kind of education would grant you. cool


Hahahahaha, Jesus was the wisest of all Rabbis, His students cannot be called unlearned in his own teaching, that's what they realized..."and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus". Note that it was Peter who you erroneously claim to be unlearned that wrote 2Pet.3:16. You can quarrel with Peter all you want.

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Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by chiedu7: 2:50pm On Feb 16, 2017
Ubenedictus:
Weytin concern mediator and mary as co-redemptorist.

For you to redeem you need to first mediate and ascertain the problem,

If not you wont know what to redeem.


Now How can mary redeem anybody please?
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:53pm On Feb 16, 2017
Syncan:



Hahahahaha, Jesus was the wisest of all Rabbis, His students cannot be called unlearned in his own teaching, that's what they realized..."and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus". Note that it was Peter who you erroneously claim to be unlearned that wrote 2Pet.3:16. You can quarrel with Peter all you want.

Your kind of education will twist the scripture I quoted just as you have just done. According to the verse I quoted which you misrepresented, misconstrued and misapplied was referring to the men accusing Peter and John of being uneducated and ignorant just as you did to me by saying I don't go to school. The men accusing Peter and John also had "great learning" but could not be compared with the "unlearned and ignorant" disciples of Christ who had great wisdom and courage and live more happier and productive lives than the accusers. smiley
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Ubenedictus(m): 3:55pm On Feb 16, 2017
chiedu7:


For you to redeem you need to first mediate and ascertain the problem,

If not you wont know what to redeem.


Now How can mary redeem anybody please?
Mary didnt redeemed she co-redeem that means she cooperated with the plan of redemption by voluntarily bearing the redeemer.

To coredeem all you need to do is participate in the work of the redeemer.

I explained this earlier i am suprised u confuse between coredemptorist and unique mediatorship.
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Ubenedictus(m): 4:13pm On Feb 16, 2017
OLAADEGBU:


Only One Person is both God and man and that is the man Christ Jesus. He is the only One who could mediate between men and our Creator God. He is the only way to God and our only true Advocate with the Father (See 1 Timothy 2:5; John 14:6; 1 John 2:1-2 for details). wink
NoN seqitur. another straw man arguement.
Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Syncan(m): 4:30pm On Feb 16, 2017
OLAADEGBU:


Your kind of education will twist the scripture I quoted just as you have just done. According to the verse I quoted which you misrepresented, misconstrued and misapplied was referring to the men accusing Peter and John of being uneducated and ignorant just as you did to me by saying I don't go to school. The men accusing Peter and John also had "great learning" but could not be compared with the "unlearned and ignorant" disciples of Christ who had great wisdom and courage and live more happier and productive lives than the accusers. smiley

Chai, poor ola, even my own writings-were i speak of things easy to understand-you still wrest unto your own unhappiness. cry

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Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Ubenedictus(m): 6:26pm On Feb 16, 2017
Syncan:


Chai, poor ola, even my own writings-were i speak of things easy to understand-you still wrest unto your own unhappiness. cry
Syncan y u dey bully ola. he is already crying victim.

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Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by chiedu7: 6:28pm On Feb 16, 2017
Ubenedictus:
Mary didnt redeemed she co-redeem that means she cooperated with the plan of redemption by voluntarily bearing the redeemer.

To coredeem all you need to do is participate in the work of the redeemer.

I explained this earlier i am suprised u confuse between coredemptorist and unique mediatorship.

See how you Catholics mess up the gospel of Jesus.

How on earth did Mary co-redeem please?
How can see co-redeem when Jesus said that she does not want Him Jesus to do His Fathers business.
Which means Mary was not helping at all let alone co-redeeming.

Remember when Jesus was small and stayed back at Jerusalem to discuss at the temple,
remember what Mary said to Jesus & Jesus's reply?


Luke 2
43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it.

46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.

48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.

49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?

50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.


Again when Jesus was preaching, if Mary was co-redeeming why was she not listening to Jesus?
Why did she come to pull Jesus away from preaching?

Also notice Jesus's reply starts with BUT, showing you that Mary was not with Jesus's plan.


Matthew 12 (KJV)
47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?


Again we can see that when Jesus performed His first miracle, Jesus asked Mary, "WHAT IS MY BUSINESS WITH THEE"?
If She has no business with Jesus, how can see be a co-redeemer?


John 2 (KJV)
3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.

4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.


So please explain to me from the bible, how on earth that Mary is a co-redeemer please when the she did not understand what Jesus came to do?

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Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by Ubenedictus(m): 7:58pm On Feb 16, 2017
We are talking about mary voluntarily cooperating in bring forth our redeemer someone is talk about the finding of Jesus in the temple.

does the later nulify the former? the mary sin by looking for her 12yr old son so that the protestants of today now claim that she didnt cooperate with GOD'S plan.

may God save us from silly talk.

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Re: Roman Catholics Requests Pope Francis Refer To Mary As Co-redemptrix With Jesus by donnie(m): 8:29pm On Feb 16, 2017
Ubenedictus:


Even so scripture doesnt claim to be the ONLY source of revelation, it contains objective truth but it doesn't claim to sufficiently expound all truths that God has revealed.

That isnt deception it is fact.

And that is the lie in Catholicism I'm trying to point out.
That's their basis for sneaking in false doctrines as it suits them. I mean how else would they even consider such falsehood as made in this their request to pope Francis if they didnt first assume that the truth isn't absolute?

Jesus is coming soon, all such liars will be judged.

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