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Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by akintom(m): 1:46pm On Feb 21, 2017
According to the Bible, the concept of the original sin says, ALL humans became sinner, through the disobedience of Adam and Eve to god, in the garden of eden.

The bible also says that the death and resurrection of Jesus atoned for this original sin.

To access this atonement, the Catholic and Pentecostals have the following process:

The Catholic

* An infant baptism, will atone for the original sin. Therefore, if the infant dies before the age of personal accountability, the infant will be admitted to paradise.

* At the age of accountability, any sin committed by commission will receive forgiveness, once confessed to the Rev. Father.

The Pentecostals

* The original sin will only be atoned for, when an individual (at the age of accountability) admit to being original sinner, confess same and ask god for forgiveness.

* If an infant dies, the infant will go to hell, because the infant is guilty of original sin.

* After removal of the nature of original sin (at the point of being born again), the repentant folk CAN'T commit sin again (how realistic this claim is, is another topic for another day).


Hmmmmm,

Could the Catholic and the Pentecostals be relating with the same god, Jesus and Bible?

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Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by InsanePsycho(m): 1:49pm On Feb 21, 2017
I can imagine little kids burning in hell while Jehovah/Allah smiles at them all lovingly cheesy grin

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Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by giles14(m): 2:07pm On Feb 21, 2017
akintom:
According to the Bible, the concept of the original sin says, ALL humans became sinner, through the disobedience of Adam and Eve to god, in the garden of eden.

The bible also says that the death and resurrection of Jesus atoned for this original sin.

To access this atonement, the Catholic and Pentecostals have the following process:

The Catholic

* An infant baptism, will atone for the original sin. Therefore, if the infant dies before the age of personal accountability, the infant will be admitted to paradise.

* At the age of accountability, any sin committed by commission will receive forgiveness, once confessed to the Rev. Father.

The Pentecostals

* The original sin will only be atoned for, when an individual (at the age of accountability) admit to being original sinner, confess same and ask god for forgiveness.

* If an infant dies, the infant will go to hell, because the infant is guilty of original sin.

* After removal of the nature of original sin (at the point of being born again), the repentant folk CAN'T commit sin again (how realistic this claim is, is another topic for another day).


Hmmmmm,

Could the Catholic and the Pentecostals be relating with the same god, Jesus and Bible?
wot do u as a Muslim hope to achieve with this venomous question/enquire.
Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by akintom(m): 2:42pm On Feb 21, 2017
giles14:
wot do u as a Muslim hope to achieve with this venomous question/enquire.
Are you of the Pentecostals or Catholic?
And what's "venomous" about my curiosity?
Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by Nobody: 3:02pm On Feb 21, 2017
akintom:
According to the Bible, the concept of the original sin says, ALL humans became sinner, through the disobedience of Adam and Eve to god, in the garden of eden.

The bible also says that the death and resurrection of Jesus atoned for this original sin.

To access this atonement, the Catholic and Pentecostals have the following process:

The Catholic

* An infant baptism, will atone for the original sin. Therefore, if the infant dies before the age of personal accountability, the infant will be admitted to paradise.

* At the age of accountability, any sin committed by commission will receive forgiveness, once confessed to the Rev. Father.

The Pentecostals

* The original sin will only be atoned for, when an individual (at the age of accountability) admit to being original sinner, confess same and ask god for forgiveness.

* If an infant dies, the infant will go to hell, because the infant is guilty of original sin.

* After removal of the nature of original sin (at the point of being born again), the repentant folk CAN'T commit sin again (how realistic this claim is, is another topic for another day).


Hmmmmm,

Could the Catholic and the Pentecostals be relating with the same god, Jesus and Bible?

There is nothing like original sin, it is not in the bible. Any day you see it show me.

Nothing like adamic nature.
Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by giles14(m): 3:39pm On Feb 21, 2017
akintom:

Are you of the Pentecostals or Catholic?
And what's "venomous" about my curiosity?
I don't chat/argue matters concerning Christianity with a Muslim or Muslims.
Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by akintom(m): 4:12pm On Feb 21, 2017
giles14:
I don't chat/argue matters concerning Christianity with a Muslim or Muslims.


Are the Muslims not part of the lost sinners, deserving of the messages of salvation?
Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by giles14(m): 6:22pm On Feb 21, 2017
akintom:


Are the Muslims not part of the lost sinners, deserving of the messages of salvation?
so is ur question that of salvation or to mock Christianity
Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by akintom(m): 6:28pm On Feb 21, 2017
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Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by akintom(m): 6:29pm On Feb 21, 2017
soulpeppersoup:


There is nothing like original sin, it is not in the bible. Any day you see it show me.

Nothing like adamic nature.

Romans 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
Romans 5:12 Why, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed on all men, for that all have sinned:
Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Romans 5:15 But not as the offense, so also is the free gift. For if through the offense of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, has abounded to many.
Romans 5:17 For if by one man's offense death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came on all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came on all men to justification of life.
Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

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Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by akintom(m): 6:56pm On Feb 21, 2017
giles14:
so is ur question that of salvation or to mock Christianity
you obviously don't have useful contribution to make. Pls bow out!
Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by Nobody: 9:17am On Feb 22, 2017
akintom:


Romans 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
Romans 5:12 Why, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed on all men, for that all have sinned:
Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Romans 5:15 But not as the offense, so also is the free gift. For if through the offense of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, has abounded to many.
Romans 5:17 For if by one man's offense death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came on all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came on all men to justification of life.
Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Study those verses again you will see that it never said sin entered into man but into the world.

By reason of sin entering into the world all were made sinners or have sinned but are not sinners for no one is born a sinner.

There is a difference between being born a sinner and being made a sinner.
There is a difference between being born a sinner and having sinned.

No one is born a sinner.

All are sinners by practicing sin not by birth.
Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by akintom(m): 11:23am On Feb 22, 2017
soulpeppersoup:


Study those verses again you will see that it never said sin entered into man but into the world.

By reason of sin entering into the world all were made sinners or have sinned but are not sinners for no one is born a sinner.

There is a difference between being born a sinner and being made a sinner.
There is a difference between being born a sinner and having sinned.

No one is born a sinner.

All are sinners by practicing sin not by birth.

* May i know the theological reference for this your exegesis.

* As at today, the theological conclusion of all the major Christian groups, is that original sin is an imputed transgression in ALL human beings, through Adam and Eve, just as the vicarious death of Jesus is the atonement (imputed righteousness).
Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by Nobody: 12:13pm On Feb 22, 2017
akintom:


* May i know the theological reference for this your exegesis.

* As at today, the theological conclusion of all the major Christian groups, is that original sin is an imputed transgression in ALL human beings, through Adam and Eve, just as the vicarious death of Jesus is the atonement (imputed righteousness).


Theology is a product of the letters of the scriptures. Understanding unveils the spirit behind the letters.

The theology of original sin came from the text that Adam begot sons and daughter after his image but they stop at that without seeking for spiritual understanding.
Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by akintom(m): 12:16pm On Feb 22, 2017
soulpeppersoup:


Theology is a product of the letters of the scriptures. Understanding unveils the spirit behind the letters.

The theology of original sin came from the text that Adam begot sons and daughter after his image but they stop at that without seeking for spiritual understanding.

When you answer my first question - what is your reference?

I shall respond to you.
Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by Nobody: 12:17pm On Feb 22, 2017
akintom:


When you answer my first question - what is your reference?

I shall respond to you.

The bible
Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by CriticMaestro: 12:22pm On Feb 22, 2017
akintom:


* May i know the theological reference for this your exegesis.

* As at today, the theological conclusion of all the major Christian groups, is that original sin is an imputed transgression in ALL human beings, through Adam and Eve, just as the vicarious death of Jesus is the atonement (imputed righteousness).

all u say? really? fake news? kush
Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by Nobody: 12:28pm On Feb 22, 2017
akintom:
According to the Bible, the concept of the original sin says, ALL humans became sinner, through the disobedience of Adam and Eve to god, in the garden of eden.

The bible also says that the death and resurrection of Jesus atoned for this original sin.

To access this atonement, the Catholic and Pentecostals have the following process:

The Catholic

* An infant baptism, will atone for the original sin. Therefore, if the infant dies before the age of personal accountability, the infant will be admitted to paradise.

* At the age of accountability, any sin committed by commission will receive forgiveness, once confessed to the Rev. Father.

The Pentecostals

* The original sin will only be atoned for, when an individual (at the age of accountability) admit to being original sinner, confess same and ask god for forgiveness.

* If an infant dies, the infant will go to hell, because the infant is guilty of original sin.

* After removal of the nature of original sin (at the point of being born again), the repentant folk CAN'T commit sin again (how realistic this claim is, is another topic for another day).


Hmmmmm,

Could the Catholic and the Pentecostals be relating with the same god, Jesus and Bible?

What's the source for this claims?

As an evangelical Christian I am not familiar with the protestant part of your claims.

You are right that through Adam men became sinners. Evangelicals believe that men will continue to sin in their human nature. The idea that man will stop sinning at any point is not an evangelical doctrine. We believe man is not a sinner because he has committed a sin rather man is commits sins because he's a sinner. Man is however justified through his faith in the finished work of Christ. At conversion God grants the sinner His Holy Spirit who starts to renew his mind and hence his character. Does it mean he will never commit a sin? NO. There are times he will commit sin but each time he/she will be remorseful and more importantly repent. The Christian no longer rejoice in sin. His mind is now changed to the point that he wants to only please God....TBC
Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by akintom(m): 2:55pm On Feb 22, 2017
soulpeppersoup:


The bible

OK, and i want to assume you are mainstream Christian (as against some very obscure deviant groups who still use the bible as their reference book).

* Now, how then did human beings transgressed god (Yahweh in this instance)?
Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by akintom(m): 3:13pm On Feb 22, 2017
ApostleT:

What's the source for this claims?
C
The doctrines of both groups. Remember i was of the Pentecostals variant for over two decades.



ApostleT:

As an evangelical Christian I am not familiar with the protestant part of your claims.
C
Which part precisely?
* original sin?
* rejection of infant baptism?
* infant going to hell, because they are guilty of original sin?



ApostleT:

. The idea that man will stop sinning at any point is not an evangelical doctrine. Does it mean he will never commit a sin? NO. C
Your Bible says otherwise;


1 John 3:9 Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: AND HE CANNOT SIN, because he is born of God.

please note the capital letter phrase.



ApostleT:

There are times he will commit sin but each time he/she will be remorseful and more importantly repent. The Christian no longer rejoice in sin. His mind is now changed to the point that he wants to only please God....TBC
Of what use then?, If you still commit sin after all the rituals and claims of some uprooting/death/ of the adamic nature via regeneration (new creation).

Every normal human knows when he offends another person, he should feel bad about it (especially when his attention has been drawn to it), apologize and strive not to repeat such offense.

How is this normal behavioral pattern, different from the unnecessary and burdensome claims of Christian religion?

Of what use or benefit is this duplication of behavior?
Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by Nobody: 4:11pm On Feb 22, 2017
akintom:

The doctrines of both groups. Remember i was of the Pentecostals variant for over two decades.




Which part precisely?
* original sin?
* rejection of infant baptism?
* infant going to hell, because they are guilty of original sin?




Your Bible says otherwise;


1 John 3:9 Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: AND HE CANNOT SIN, because he is born of God.

please note the capital letter phrase.




Of what use then?, If you still commit sin after all the rituals and claims of some uprooting/death/ of the adamic nature via regeneration (new creation).

Every normal human knows when he offends another person, he should feel bad about it (especially when his attention has been drawn to it), apologize and strive not to repeat such offense.

How is this normal behavioral pattern, different from the unnecessary and burdensome claims of Christian religion?

Of what use or benefit is this duplication of behavior?

First you haven't put a source to your claims. Just being part of the pentecostal movement isn't a source. Is this what your pentecostal movement believed? If so. What documents states your assumptions.

On the issue of sin.

The big question is can a Christian commit sin? YES the Christian can commit sin. He would not commit sin as a natural thing. Yet he may commit sin as an unnatural thing. Hence remorse and repentance. but why does 1 John 3:9 say HE CANNOT SIN?

There has been a lot of study on what John was actually teaching here. in I John 1: 8 -9 John had earlier suggested that that believers cannot attain to sinless perfection in their experience.

1 John 1: 8 -9 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

I believe and agree with other Christian interpretation that John is saying that if the believer abides in His new nature HE CANNOT possibly commit SIN

The fact that he has been begotten of God excludes the possibility of his committing sin as an expression of his true character, though actual sins may, and do, occur so far as he fails from weakness to realize his true character. (The Johannine Epistles, p.89)

A Christian would not commit sin as a way of life but an aberration. That's what we call progressive sanctification. That a Christian commit sin in this unnatural way does not make him/her a sinner (not Christian) because he/she has been declared a saint by Christ and his born of God.

You said
Every normal human knows when he offends another person, he should feel bad about it (especially when his attention has been drawn to it), apologize and strive not to repeat such offense.

It's not clear what you mean by normal human but sin is not about offending a fellow man it is about breaking God's law. Every normal human would naturally revenge especially if they have the power to. However to revenge is to break God's law. Every normal person would probably commit fornication when there is a willing partner. However to commit fornication is to break God's law. And there are many sins a normal person would commit without blinking a eyes or his/her conscience condemning him/her. The idea that a "normal" human knows what to do is to view sin from an exclusively carnal perspective.

The normal human is incapable of obeying God's laws. Romans 8:8 "Indeed, those who are under the control of human nature cannot please God." Hence he is a sinner by default.
Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by akintom(m): 5:01pm On Feb 22, 2017
ApostleT:



On the issue of sin.

The big question is can a Christian commit sin? YES the Christian can commit sin. He would not commit sin as a natural thing.


Yet he may commit sin as an unnatural thing. Hence remorse and repentance. but why does 1 John 3:9 say HE CANNOT SIN?




I believe and agree with other Christian interpretation that John is saying that if the believer abides in His new nature HE CANNOT possibly commit SIN



The fact that he has been begotten of God excludes the possibility of his committing sin as an expression of his true character, though actual sins may, and do, occur so far as he fails from weakness to realize his true character. (The Johannine Epistles, p.89)




It's not clear what you mean by normal human



but sin is not about offending a fellow man it is about breaking God's law. Every normal human would naturally revenge especially if they have the power to. However to revenge is to break God's law. Every normal person would probably commit fornication when there is a willing partner. However to commit fornication is to break God's law. And there are many sins a normal person would commit without blinking a eyes or his/her conscience condemning him/her. The idea that a "normal" human knows what to do is to view sin from an exclusively carnal perspective.

My question to both Catholic and Pentecostal group members here, is how they could possibly be relating with the same bible, god and Jesus, based on their fundamentally different doctrinal position, on issue as important as original sin.

You might want to look into that.
Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by Nobody: 5:22pm On Feb 22, 2017
akintom:


My question to both Catholic and Pentecostal group members here, is how they could possibly be relating with the same bible, god and Jesus, based on their fundamentally different doctrinal position, on issue as important as original sin.

You might want to look into that.

I hope to read about the definition of the original sin. I once heard some people discussing it on the radio but I do not even understand fully what they were talking about. They were saying is that concept still relevant. So I would talk about that later. I think it refers to the human nature being corrupted and incapable of pleasing God naturally but I am not too sure what the true definition is.

On doctrinal issues. It is possible to interpret scriptures differently. This is the problem with man and is an old problem. The Jews for example believed that the messiah would come but they interpreted it as coming to defeat the Romans and establish a Jewish nation. The only problem is they misinterpreted scriptures and Jesus called them out a few times saying "you do not know scriptures" , "you do not know who you worship" etc

I am not a Roman catholic and do not belong to the pentecostal movement but a study of church history may shed some light on how the Roman catholic church and pentecostal groups came about their doctrines.

In the early church there were groups of "believers" preaching a gospel different from the gospel of Christ. Some of them are preaching that you must be circumcised to be acceptable to God. Some teach that you must observe certain special days to be saved and there were all sorts of letters these groups have written. Their books were rejected in the compilation of the cannons of the bible because it wasn't consistent with the teachings of Christ or his apostles.

The Roman church used the exclusive access to the bible to propagate a lot of un-biblical doctrines. Within the Roman catholic church some priests rebelled against what they see as the manipulation of God's word for gain or influence over the people. That led to the bible getting into the hands of all who wants to read it in their language.

The problem comes to interpretation of the scripture which like the Jews many still get wrong today. I have heard many pastors teach things that are un-biblical e.g. rapture, bone of your bone in marriage or need to see a vision before you marry, a large part of prosperity gospel, open theism (this is common in the pentecostal movement), legalism ( a common problem in many Nigerian church) etc.

As a principle anything that is not established on scriptural truth I count an unessential doctrine or outright heresy depending on what it is.
Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by akintom(m): 5:22pm On Feb 22, 2017
ApostleT:


What's the source for this claims?

As an evangelical Christian I am not familiar with the protestant part of your claims.

You are right that through Adam men became sinners. Evangelicals believe that men will continue to sin in their human nature. The idea that man will stop sinning at any point is not an evangelical doctrine. We believe man is not a sinner because he has committed a sin rather man is commits sins because he's a sinner. Man is however justified through his faith in the finished work of Christ. At conversion God grants the sinner His Holy Spirit who starts to renew his mind and hence his character. Does it mean he will never commit a sin? NO. There are times he will commit sin but each time he/she will be remorseful and more importantly repent. The Christian no longer rejoice in sin. His mind is now changed to the point that he wants to only please God....TBC

* You did agree that Christian religion has a doctrinal position called "original sin"

* You equally agree that Pentecostals reject infant baptism, as an atonement process for regeneration.

* Now, do you agree that infant will go to hell at death, since they are guilty of original sin?
Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by akintom(m): 5:43pm On Feb 22, 2017
ApostleT:


I hope to read about the definition of the original sin. I once heard some people discussing it on the radio but I do not even understand fully what they were talking about. They were saying is that concept still relevant. So I would talk about that later. I think it refers to the human nature being corrupted and incapable of pleasing God naturally but I am not too sure what the true definition is.
the bible verses below, formed the basis on which the doctrine of original sin is built.

Romans 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
Romans 5:12 Why, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed on all men, for that all have sinned:
Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Romans 5:15 But not as the offense, so also is the free gift. For if through the offense of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, has abounded to many.
Romans 5:17 For if by one man's offense death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came on all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came on all men to justification of life.
Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
[/quote]
Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by Nobody: 8:43pm On Feb 22, 2017
akintom:


OK, and i want to assume you are mainstream Christian (as against some very obscure deviant groups who still use the bible as their reference book).

* Now, how then did human beings transgressed god (Yahweh in this instance)?

Don't understand what you mean by your last paragraph.
Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by akintom(m): 8:56pm On Feb 22, 2017
soulpeppersoup:


Don't understand what you mean by your last paragraph.
since you're claiming that there's no such doctrine as "original sin" in Christian religion, how did the concept of sin against God came about?

Which necessitated the vicarious death of Jesus.
Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by Nobody: 9:04pm On Feb 22, 2017
akintom:
since you're claiming that there's no such doctrine as "original sin" in Christian religion, how did the concept of sin against God came about?

Which necessitated the vicarious death of Jesus.

The Bible said by one man (Adam) sin came into the world. Men born into the world have since passed unto them by learning.

Jesus' blood remit sin men commit and his resurrection infuse in them his life to overcome the sin learned to learn righteousness.
Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by akintom(m): 10:39pm On Feb 22, 2017
soulpeppersoup:


The Bible said by one man (Adam) sin came into the world. Men born into the world have since passed unto them by learning.
.
So that i don't waste my time, i will like to know the Christian denomination you align with in doctrine.

Or, is this your personal interpretation?

I need a direct answer to these, so that i can respond appropriately.




soulpeppersoup:

Jesus' blood remit sin men commit and his resurrection infuse in them his life to overcome the sin learned to learn righteousness.

My response to this is dependent on your reply to the above.
Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by Nobody: 5:35am On Feb 23, 2017
akintom:

So that i don't waste my time, i will like to know the Christian denomination you align with in doctrine.

Or, is this your personal interpretation?

I need a direct answer to these, so that i can respond appropriately.



My response to this is dependent on your reply to the above.



I don't waste my time with people who see spending time with me as a waste.
Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by akintom(m): 7:05am On Feb 23, 2017
soulpeppersoup:




I don't waste my time with people who see spending time with me as a waste.
Spending time to debate original sin concept (a widely accepted doctrine among the mainstream Christian groups), with someone who either sees himself as an authority in Christian theology or aligns with some deviant Christian groups in doctrine, is a waste of my time.

Intellectual discussion is based on referencing established authority, to support your claims.

And when you make a claim that's based on your personal opinion, you indicate it as such.

I will only debate you when i know basis of your claims.
Re: Original Sin: The Conflict Between Catholic And Pentecostal. by Nobody: 10:33am On Feb 23, 2017
akintom:

Spending time to debate original sin concept (a widely accepted doctrine among the mainstream Christian groups), with someone who either sees himself as an authority in Christian theology or aligns with some deviant Christian groups in doctrine, is a waste of my time.

Intellectual discussion is based on referencing established authority, to support your claims.

And when you make a claim that's based on your personal opinion, you indicate it as such.

I will only debate you when i know basis of your claims.


Can you state better reference on Christianity than they Bible?

That a thing or doctrine is widely accepted, those it make it true?

All references outside the Bible on Christianity are personal opinion.

It's a waste of my time talking with you though

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