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Accept It Or Reject It! by newnature: 3:34pm On Feb 22, 2017
Will people accept what Jesus accomplished or will people reject it? God purchased the human race out of sins dominion never to be returned to the market place of sin again. God effectively canceled Satan’s ownership of all the human race. Satan can lay claim to no person based on their sinfulness. Does that mean the entire world is saved? No. A person has to have an individual change of status and that take place when they accept what the son did for them. Throughout the ages, God in his sovereignty, has chosen to recognize as being righteous those who would simply take him at his Word. In Romans 3:24 to be justified is to be recognized as being right. It’s a judicial decree of rightness. God recognizes those who take him at his Word concerning the price Jesus became on the tree of crucifixion on their behalf to resolve God’s justice for their sins. A judicial decree of righteousness. It doesn’t go away. It doesn’t abate over time. It’s their’s forever. 


Understanding peace with God comes from understanding the accomplishment of Jesus, but letting the peace of God rule in our hearts is not the same thing as understanding the reality of having peace with God. But, their people are under the assumption that their sin debt is separation from God. If an ounce of new reconciliation in this Age of Grace could be restored for anyone when it comes to the issue of their sin debt then the degree of forgiveness that must be obtained in order to restore the reconciliation is the very degree to which that individual refuses to believe that Jesus accomplished it all. Paul’s gospel is hid from those people. They don’t understand what reconciliation is all about. For a person to have to make their own peace with God would be nothing more than an exercise in futility, it could never be done. Grace within a dispensation was one thing, a dispensation characterized solely by grace is something else altogether.
Re: Accept It Or Reject It! by Seun(m): 3:51pm On Feb 22, 2017
newnature:
God effectively canceled Satan’s ownership of all the human race.
How did Satan come to own the human race? Did God sell the human race to him at some point? If not, why couldn't God just take us back?

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Re: Accept It Or Reject It! by greatnaija01: 3:56pm On Feb 22, 2017
but bros dont tell me that you do not know that JESUS CAME AND TOOK US BACK BY TAKING OUR PLACE FOR ALL THE SINS WE COMMITTED...BY HIS CROSS

Seun:

How did Satan come to own the human race? Did God sell the human race to him at some point? If not, why couldn't God just take us back?
Re: Accept It Or Reject It! by Seun(m): 4:06pm On Feb 22, 2017
greatnaija01:
but bros dont tell me that you do not know that JESUS CAME AND TOOK US BACK BY TAKING OUR PLACE FOR ALL THE SINS WE COMMITTED...BY HIS CROSS
I don't see how sinning against God makes the human race the legal property of some fallen angel, such that God wouldn't be able to simply take us back anytime without having to pay any price for us. If God didn't sell us to Satan, then he didn't need to buy us back from Satan.

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Re: Accept It Or Reject It! by newnature: 4:11pm On Feb 22, 2017
greatnaija01:
but bros dont tell me that you do not know that JESUS CAME AND TOOK US BACK BY TAKING OUR PLACE FOR ALL THE SINS WE COMMITTED...BY HIS CROSS

Adam and Eve founded the first religion called “The First Church of the Fig Leaf”. Reconciliation with God on their terms. It doesn’t work that way! God will have none of that. Reconciliation on God’s part is of God and reconciliation from God’s advantage point is a done deal. Amazing salvation we have. The issue remaining on the table of God’s justice is today is whether people will accept that gift. To accept the gift is to receive the gift according to scripture and to receive it simply means to take it to ones self or acknowledge something as being true. In other wards, to believe it.

In contrast to the land, Yahweh’s sanctuary can be purified for moral impurity by means of a special sacrifice. The blood of the animal, the blood of the sacrifice is the key to the whole ritual. Blood, the blood that courses through one’s veins, represents the life force; the Noahide covenant, you may not spill human blood. And you may not eat animal flesh that has the lifeblood in it, because the blood is the life and that belongs to Yahweh, that’s holy. So the life force is holy, and the life force is in the blood; Leviticus 17:11, repeats the blood prohibition, and  then it offers a rationale. “For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have assigned it to you for making expiation for your lives upon the altar.” Yahweh assigned it to them to use in sacrificial practices. 


It is the blood as life that effects expiation, purging and atonement. The blood of sacrificial animals is assigned by Yahweh as a detergent, if you will, to cleanse the sanctuary of the impurities that are caused by the sinful deeds of the Israelites. Purification of the sanctuary was believed to be critical to the health and the well-being of the community. If the sanctuary is not purged of impurity, it can become polluted to the point when Yahweh is driven out entirely. The purification offering acts on the sanctuary, not on the offerer. It purges the sanctuary of the defilement that is symbolically; it has symbolically suffered from the offerer’s state of ritual impurity or sinfulness. Once the sanctuary is purged, the offerer has settled his debt, he’s repaired the damage he caused. He’s fully atoned, and Yahweh is no longer repelled by the impurity that marred his sanctuary. 


Matt. 27:51, the earthquake that fractured the rock opened a fissure that ran down through 20 foot of solid rock into a cave and cracked the stone lid on top of a black stone volt where the Ark of the Covenant lie hidden inside, pushing the lid aside. John 19:34, the blood of Jesus ran down through that crevice and dripped onto the Mercy Seat of the Ark of the Covenant that was hidden by God and the prophet Jeremiah, right under where they crucified Jesus, 620 years earlier when the Babylonians destroyed Salomon’s temple. The Greek word used for “the cross” on which Jesus was put to death is “stauros,” which denotes an upright pale or stake. It never means two pieces of timber placed across one another at any angle, but always of one piece alone. There is nothing in the Greek of the New Testament even to imply two pieces of timber. The blood of Jesus would do no good for the Israelites dripping on “stauros!” 


Isaiah 53:7-8 - By going back to the prophet Isaiah...Jesus is revealing for the very first time...to his apostles...that the blood of Jesus was the basis by which...Israel’s kingdom program and Israel’s New Covenant...could continue on. Remission of sins...the complete clearing away of Israel’s sin debt...could now be accomplished just as Jeremiah, Israel’s New Covenant Prophet had proclaimed. The blood that poured from the side of Jesus as he hung on the tree of crucifixion was the basis by which God would now have...just cause...to remit (or to clear the accounts) of those with faith in time past...those who had trusted God’s Word to them...and who obeyed what God told them to do. Only the people of Israel are referred to as God’s sheep in scripture. Never the Gentiles. Psalms 79:13
Re: Accept It Or Reject It! by Seun(m): 4:15pm On Feb 22, 2017
I'm confused about why God would need to pay a high price to "buy back" something that he never sold off to anybody. Can you enlighten me?

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Re: Accept It Or Reject It! by greatnaija01: 4:20pm On Feb 22, 2017
Oh thats simple... see THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE has laws beyond the one we have discovered that states that YOU ARE A SERVANT TO WHOM YOU OBEY, this is in the bible.. and God himself has highest honor not to break his own rules....

If you had a son who went to steal from your tenant and your tenant wants to hold it against you and escalate it.. WONT you pay whatever price you can to end the matter once an for all? its simple logic, tho you know that the house will soon be given to your only son and he will drive that tenant away in future.... THIS IS A SIMPLE WAY TO SEE IT. so the way we see sin down here is not the same way it is from God's point of view... it is more costly, hence such a high price. JUST BECAUSE HE OWNS THE HOUSE doesn't give him right to cheat.

Seun:
I don't see how sinning against God makes the human race the legal property of some fallen angel, such that God wouldn't be able to simply take us back anytime without having to pay any price for us. If God didn't sell us to Satan, then he didn't need to buy us back from Satan.
Re: Accept It Or Reject It! by greatnaija01: 4:21pm On Feb 22, 2017
lols this is not correct o... but you are entitled to your opinion. CHRISTIANITY IS NEVER AND WILL NEVER BE A RELIGION.

newnature:

Adam and Eve founded the first religion called “The First Church of the Fig Leaf”. Reconciliation with God on their terms. It doesn’t work that way! God will have none of that. Reconciliation on God’s part is of God and reconciliation from God’s advantage point is a done deal. Amazing salvation we have. The issue remaining on the table of God’s justice is today is whether people will accept that gift. To accept the gift is to receive the gift according to scripture and to receive it simply means to take it to ones self or acknowledge something as being true. In other wards, to believe it.

In contrast to the land, Yahweh’s sanctuary can be purified for moral impurity by means of a special sacrifice. The blood of the animal, the blood of the sacrifice is the key to the whole ritual. Blood, the blood that courses through one’s veins, represents the life force; the Noahide covenant, you may not spill human blood. And you may not eat animal flesh that has the lifeblood in it, because the blood is the life and that belongs to Yahweh, that’s holy. So the life force is holy, and the life force is in the blood; Leviticus 17:11, repeats the blood prohibition, and  then it offers a rationale. “For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have assigned it to you for making expiation for your lives upon the altar.” Yahweh assigned it to them to use in sacrificial practices. 


It is the blood as life that effects expiation, purging and atonement. The blood of sacrificial animals is assigned by Yahweh as a detergent, if you will, to cleanse the sanctuary of the impurities that are caused by the sinful deeds of the Israelites. Purification of the sanctuary was believed to be critical to the health and the well-being of the community. If the sanctuary is not purged of impurity, it can become polluted to the point when Yahweh is driven out entirely. The purification offering acts on the sanctuary, not on the offerer. It purges the sanctuary of the defilement that is symbolically; it has symbolically suffered from the offerer’s state of ritual impurity or sinfulness. Once the sanctuary is purged, the offerer has settled his debt, he’s repaired the damage he caused. He’s fully atoned, and Yahweh is no longer repelled by the impurity that marred his sanctuary. 


Matt. 27:51, the earthquake that fractured the rock opened a fissure that ran down through 20 foot of solid rock into a cave and cracked the stone lid on top of a black stone volt where the Ark of the Covenant lie hidden inside, pushing the lid aside. John 19:34, the blood of Jesus ran down through that crevice and dripped onto the Mercy Seat of the Ark of the Covenant that was hidden by God and the prophet Jeremiah, right under where they crucified Jesus, 620 years earlier when the Babylonians destroyed Salomon’s temple. The Greek word used for “the cross” on which Jesus was put to death is “stauros,” which denotes an upright pale or stake. It never means two pieces of timber placed across one another at any angle, but always of one piece alone. There is nothing in the Greek of the New Testament even to imply two pieces of timber. The blood of Jesus would do no good for the Israelites dripping on “stauros!” 


Isaiah 53:7-8 - By going back to the prophet Isaiah...Jesus is revealing for the very first time...to his apostles...that the blood of Jesus was the basis by which...Israel’s kingdom program and Israel’s New Covenant...could continue on. Remission of sins...the complete clearing away of Israel’s sin debt...could now be accomplished just as Jeremiah, Israel’s New Covenant Prophet had proclaimed. The blood that poured from the side of Jesus as he hung on the tree of crucifixion was the basis by which God would now have...just cause...to remit (or to clear the accounts) of those with faith in time past...those who had trusted God’s Word to them...and who obeyed what God told them to do. Only the people of Israel are referred to as God’s sheep in scripture. Never the Gentiles. Psalms 79:13
Re: Accept It Or Reject It! by newnature: 4:25pm On Feb 22, 2017
Seun:

How did Satan come to own the human race? Did God sell the human race to him at some point? If not, why couldn't God just take us back?
Christianity developed the notion of original sin. 


Extreme are the psalmist’s guilt feelings that he sees himself as sinful even before birth. Evil is a product of human behavior, not a principal inherent in the cosmos. It is the power of moral choice alone, that is Yahweh-like and having that good and bad knowledge is no guarantee that one will choose or incline towards the good. The very action that brought Adam and Eve a god-like awareness of their mortal autonomy, was an action that was taken in opposition to Yahweh. Yahweh knows that that human beings will become like Yahweh, knowing good and bad; it’s one of the things about Yahweh, he knows good and bad, and has chosen the good. Human beings, and only human beings are the potential source of evil, responsibility for evil will lie in the hands of human beings.
Re: Accept It Or Reject It! by Seun(m): 4:32pm On Feb 22, 2017
greatnaija01:
YOU ARE A SERVANT TO WHOM YOU OBEY, this is in the bible
Can you show us the bible verse that says that?

If you had a son who went to steal from your tenant and your tenant wants to hold it against you and escalate it.. WONT you pay whatever price you can to end the matter once an for all?
In your example, the son 'sinned' against the tenant, which is why the tenant has the right to demand payment. But according to the bible, human beings didn't sin against Satan, they sinned against God. Satan has no right to demand any payment from God for us. He's irrelevant.

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Re: Accept It Or Reject It! by greatnaija01: 4:41pm On Feb 22, 2017
Seun:

Can you show us the bible verse that says that?


In your example, the son 'sinned' against the tenant, which is why the tenant has the right to demand payment. But according to the bible, human beings didn't sin against Satan, they sinned against God. Satan has no right to demand any payment from God for us. He's irrelevant.

BROS here it is

ROMANS 6:16 King James Bible
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

In the case of the tenant, STEALING is not just an offence against the tenant but also the landlord but in this case of ADAM and the devil, it was the devil that deceived EVE to sin against GOD.... ADAM was not deceived ... he chose to obey the devil willingly and that is why when eve ate the fruit nothing happened UNTIL Adam ate it.

1 Timothy 2:14 ►
New Living Translation
And it was not Adam who was deceived by Satan. The woman was deceived, and sin was the result

The next law was that anyone who sins must DIE(Perish). thats why JESUS took our place... So by believing in him we would be saved JOHN 3:16.
Re: Accept It Or Reject It! by newnature: 4:55pm On Feb 22, 2017
Seun:

Can you show us the bible verse that says that?


In your example, the son 'sinned' against the tenant, which is why the tenant has the right to demand payment. But according to the bible, human beings didn't sin against Satan, they sinned against God. Satan has no right to demand any payment from God for us. He's irrelevant.

You say, “How did that happen?” I made a wrong choice somewhere along the line. Could of made a better decision, but I didn’t. Now I’ve planted the wrong crop. Now the wrong crop is coming up and I’m going to pray to God to take the crop away. But instead, I can learn and start planting new seed right away. Better decisions right away. But God wants me to know that it’s not my praying that has the power to impact his hand on my behalf. Paul didn’t pray for the outer, he prayed for the strengthening of the inner. (Ephesians 3:16) From where does God intend the suffering saint gain that mental emotional emotional stabilization in such times? The answer is, it should come from the stabilizing doctrines that are found written in the written word of God. Paul give us ample ammunition when it comes to those distressing situations that boggle our minds, shatter our peace, knock us off our feet. The truth is every believer should be armed, should be scripturally equip with the fortifying doctrines provided by the apostle Paul for the suffering saints of the age of grace. Don’t look at those suffering situations, look at the things that are not seen. (2 Corinthians 4:16-18) It’s God’s power deposited inside you praying each and every moment of each and every day according to the will of God. If there’s ever a power to bolster me, it’s God’s power praying on my behalf. (Romans 8:26-27)

We see in 2 Corinthians 4:3 the word hid. Satan’s not a mandy pandy at hiding what Jesus accomplished. It’s one thing to have your sin slate wiped clean. It’s something else entirely different to be in the Savior. Righteousness and sin two different things. If people are asking for forgiveness for their sins today, than what do those people understand about what happen to their sins Jesus accomplished for the human race. We shouldn’t be surprised today that Satan, the master counterfeiter, is so successful at confusing what Jesus accomplished. Don’t let anyone confuse you. God is reconciled where the sin debt of the human race is concerned. There’s not a sin you did commit, are committing or could ever commit that God hasn’t reconciled himself through what Jesus accomplished on your behalf. Satan’s ministers of righteousness are keeping the issue of sin on the table of God’s justice. Sin stood between God and the human race but Jesus stepped up according to God’s plan and became sin for the human race. (2 Corinthians 5:21) So becoming sin for the human race and dying for the sins of the human race was the ultimate act of righteousness where our Savior was concerned. So in the eyes of a perfectly righteous God, Jesus is the only one who has ever earned merited righteousness through his performance. No one else has done so. God was perfectly satisfied with all the sins Jesus did die for. God’s justice was satisfied.

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Re: Accept It Or Reject It! by urheme: 5:25pm On Feb 22, 2017
Seun:

How did Satan come to own the human race? Did God sell the human race to him at some point? If not, why couldn't God just take us back?

Nothing was sold .....the world was simply corrupted by greed and man's selfish earthly desires.....

God will take you when you are ready to die....but you enjoy the world so much....that you are not willing to transform......God will not take you in your fleshy nature.
Re: Accept It Or Reject It! by urheme: 5:33pm On Feb 22, 2017
Seun:
I don't see how sinning against God makes the human race the legal property of some fallen angel, such that God wouldn't be able to simply take us back anytime without having to pay any price for us. If God didn't sell us to Satan, then he didn't need to buy us back from Satan.


man's wickedness to man is the real sin....your badness only affects man....God is to adjudicate between one man and the other and render judgment......the court of heaven is no different from the earthly court except that the earthly one is corrupted because it is maned by men.

Christ came to reconcile you with God but you willfully refuse..........but anytime you change your mind He will accept you but not in your fleshy nature.
Re: Accept It Or Reject It! by urheme: 5:35pm On Feb 22, 2017
newnature:

Christianity developed the notion of original sin. 


Extreme are the psalmist’s guilt feelings that he sees himself as sinful even before birth. Evil is a product of human behavior, not a principal inherent in the cosmos. It is the power of moral choice alone, that is Yahweh-like and having that good and bad knowledge is no guarantee that one will choose or incline towards the good. The very action that brought Adam and Eve a god-like awareness of their mortal autonomy, was an action that was taken in opposition to Yahweh. Yahweh knows that that human beings will become like Yahweh, knowing good and bad; it’s one of the things about Yahweh, he knows good and bad, and has chosen the good. Human beings, and only human beings are the potential source of evil, responsibility for evil will lie in the hands of human beings.


Well said... the last sentence just hit the nail.
Re: Accept It Or Reject It! by newnature: 6:00pm On Feb 22, 2017
We see in Romans 12:1-2 that the church is stuck on the word reformation rather than transformation. They don’t understand the difference. We present ourselves to God as we allow him to do the transforming through the intake of his word rightly divided. Satan’s ministers of righteousness use the word reform instead of the word transform. They would appeal to people to reform. God doesn’t make that appeal. Transformation is entirely a work of God in the believer. Reformation would be a work of the believer for God. God’s Word tells us his thoughts. As we take in his thoughts and begin to understand him and know his thinking, his thinking can become our thinking. It’s only when we come to properly understand God from his perspective concerning ourselves both before we came to understand Paul’s good news message and then what we are and who we are after we’ve believed Paul’s good news message and have been joined to his son...then we can be capable if viewing others and relating to others accordingly who are also members of the Savior’s body. So transformed thinking relates to transform relating as the Savior’s thinking becomes our thinking. That’s where we see the love of God...Romans 5:5

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Re: Accept It Or Reject It! by GMBuhari: 6:57pm On Feb 22, 2017
Seun:

Can you show us the bible verse that says that?


In your example, the son 'sinned' against the tenant, which is why the tenant has the right to demand payment. But according to the bible, human beings didn't sin against Satan, they sinned against God. Satan has no right to demand any payment from God for us. He's irrelevant.



So you are saying it's a scam ?


Why was there sin in the first place ?
Re: Accept It Or Reject It! by newnature: 7:48pm On Feb 22, 2017
The sin nature within us uses the opportunity to take normal appetites and create abnormal desires in conjunction with those normal appetites. That’s what Paul’s talking about in Romans 7:5. It’s the motions or passions, the intense cravings of the sin nature that Paul has in mind here. And he goes on to say the emotions of those sins that were through the law. It’s law principle that actually stirs up the sinful emotions. The law principle itself incites the sinful nature that’s within the human race. Most people suppose that if you want to eliminate sin simply put forth a little more law. Well, it’s the other way around according to the apostle Paul. It’s the law that stirs up the passions of the sin nature. The law actually ignites the passions of the sin nature. The law is a good thing, the problem lies not with a holy and just law, the problem lies in the fact that while the law is good the flesh is weak. This is why God had to devise a way to view us not in our flesh but in his son. There’s no weakness in the flesh of his son. He fulfilled the law and not only that, he died for our sins. So, God doesn’t view us in light of a so called new found Christian performance, but in light of our new identity in the Savior.
Re: Accept It Or Reject It! by Rrankdonga(m): 7:53pm On Feb 22, 2017
Seun:

Can you show us the bible verse that says that?


In your example, the son 'sinned' against the tenant, which is why the tenant has the right to demand payment. But according to the bible, human beings didn't sin against Satan, they sinned against God. Satan has no right to demand any payment from God for us. He's irrelevant.
Mr seun, I must say that I'm excited to always read your comments. I recently became an atheist and its really incredible how logical and free thinking can change a persons life for the better.
I'm currently reading the God delusion by Richard Dawkins, and I must say its a wonderful book everybody should read it. Thanks again

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Re: Accept It Or Reject It! by Rrankdonga(m): 7:54pm On Feb 22, 2017
GMBuhari:




So you are saying it's a scam ?


Why was there sin in the first place ?
instead of showing the verse, look at what you said.

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