I agree with you. As a matter of fact, they broke the news of Yaradua travelling to Saudi Arabia for medical reasons before Yaradua spokesperson (Adeniyi) announced the edited version.

@debosky

you are truly intelligent, and ur critical analysis of the ''medical report'' was good. what kind of doctor will make such detailed analysis of a patient he/she/it has not yet seen? that doctor has broken medical ethics by ''sentencing to death'' , a patient that she has not yet seen, little wonder he/she/it remained anonymous

however, that does not change the fact that the yaradua spin factory has be very economical with the truth about his health. for now we dont know much, but soon we will know better. meanwhile, for the sake of our country, we should hope for the best.

pres-elect:

@debosky

you are truly intelligent, and your critical analysis of the ''medical report'' was good. what kind of doctor will make such detailed analysis of a patient he/she/it has not yet seen? that doctor has broken medical ethics by ''sentencing to death'' , a patient that she has not yet seen, little wonder he/she/it remained anonymous

You are intelligent too, so I find it strange you want to ridicule the messenger (the author of the article) when anyone , if they want to and without actually seeing Yar Adua , can do a 2 minutes google search to see that Mr. President is at stage three of the disease. Stage three can be fatal . The prognosis is worse with the involvement of several organs. Yar Adua has his skin, kidney, lungs and heart involved.  More organs may be involved because all those around Yar Adua are casual liars. At the very least , if we are serious about good leadership, this quote should worry Nigerians enough to galvanise them into action:

"The third and final stage involves the various organ systems. Stage three is by far the most life threatening and painful. Often the person will develop severe nerve pain in their legs, arms and hands. Purple marks will appear on the skin and often sores will appear in the mouth or nose. The disease can affect the heart, lungs, kidneys and liver"

Is it not clear that Yar Adua is unlikely to ever be a good leader given the distraction of a disease that must mean Mr.President will be in pain constantly? Please do some more research to note that Myocardial infarction (a heart attack) is a risk of stage three churg Strauss. Nigerians should wake up and resist how selfish and callous leaders , for their own selfish gains, continue to tout Yar Adua as healthy enough to carry on. We always make what is simple complicated in Nigeria. Yar Adua is very sick . Many wish him well but things do not look good for him and he should do what is best for 150 million and put selfish interest aside. Mr.President has been distracted with this disease for a while and that is why incompetence and retrogression are the hallmarks of his Presidency. He should refuse to listen to sycophant and do the honourable thing.

With early treatment Yar Adua may have had a good chance but because he was initially misdiagnosed our President did not recieve treatment early and that , in many cases, can be a fatal mistake as it leads to organ involvement and possible organ failure. I hope the poor guy does not have a heart attack while being forced to Preside over the affairs of Nigeria.


http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Churg-Strauss_syndrome

Disease stages

This disease has three distinct stages.
The first stage often involves the sinuses and the onset of allergies not previously had or the worsening of pre-existing allergies.
The second stage involves the onset of acute asthmaAsthma
Asthma is a predisposition to chronic inflammation of the lungs in which the airways are reversibly narrowed. Asthma affects 7% of the population of the United States, and 300 million worldwide,
. Normally, the person would not have had asthma previously.
The third and final stage involves the various organ systems. Stage three is by far the most life threatening and painful. Often the person will develop severe nerve pain in their legs, arms and hands. Purple marks will appear on the skin and often sores will appear in the mouth or nose. The disease can affect the heart, lungs, kidneys and liver.

People can live for many years in the first two stages before progressing to stage three.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/333492-overview

Mortality/Morbidity
The principal causes of morbidity and mortality in Churg-Strauss syndrome are myocarditis and myocardial infarction secondary to coronary arteritis.14

With treatment, the 1-year survival rate is 90% and the 5-year survival rate is 62%.1

Cardiac manifestations - Symptoms related to heart failure, myocarditis, pericarditis, constrictive pericarditis, and myocardial infarction

What disease does Yar'adua have? The Churg-Strauss claim as far as I'm concerned, is the creation of Sahara Reporters. Till his medical advisers come out and give that kind of specific indication, there's no fact to confirm that he is indeed suffering from that ailment.

People are simply adding 2+2 and getting 20. He is suffering from some serious ailment, but that is definitely not justification for wild speculations.

debosky:

What disease does Yar'adua have? The Churg-Strauss claim as far as I'm concerned, is the creation of Sahara Reporters. Till his medical advisers come out and give that kind of specific indication, there's no fact to confirm that he is indeed suffering from that ailment.

People are simply adding 2+2 and getting 20. He is suffering from some serious ailment, but that is definitely not justification for wild speculations.

Not true. Folks are using perfectly sensible logic given that they are dealing with a Government that is callous, decietful and dishonest. Please list the number of conditions that affect the skin, kidney, heart ,lungs, peripheral nerves plus produce pericarditis as a complication !!! Yar Adua has locked up folks when they said things he did not like . He has come out vehemently to refute certain claims in the past. He took leadership to court and I believe he even recieved an apology or retraction. Why has he never denied that he has Churg Strauss when several news agency , other than saharareporters, have reported that he does?

What is wrong with Nigerians trying to deduce what will never be willingly revealed to them? Do you think that Yar Adua will admit he has stage three Churg Strauss when those wanting him to step down will use that revelation to state that Yar Adua , given his heart involvement , may suffer a heart attack because of the stress and rigour of office? My man , it is not 2+2 equals 20 at all !!! Far from it !!!

In fact if Nigerians are to be accused of anything,  it is excessive and dangerous docility. The type that has always ensured they are badly led.

^Thank you. I don't know why debosky is so bent on making it look like the presidency is not as bad as it actually is.
Yar'Adua HARDLY EVER admits to being sick, how can he be expected to admit to being sick with a serious disease like churg strauss?

@gbawe
i'm afraid that even though you seem to be making a good point, i'll have to stand by pres-elect and debosky. no medical professional will make a statement on a patient that has not been seen or examined by him or his surrogate. now this does not mean that the poster or you are wrong,but the posted article is unethical from a medical point of view. you dont google up facts about a patient to make a medical statement. you examine the patient and interview him.

however, like someone said, the govt has been economical with the truth. and in the absence of authentic information, rumor holds sway. and now we hear all sorts of things from all sorts of sources, some of which may indeed be true

toshmann:

@gbawe
i'm afraid that even though you seem to be making a good point, i'll have to stand by pres-elect and debosky. no medical professional will make a statement on a patient that has not been seen or examined by him or his surrogate. now this does not mean that the poster or you are wrong,but the posted article is unethical from a medical point of view. you dont google up facts about a patient to make a medical statement. you examine the patient and interview him.

however, like someone said, the govt has been economical with the truth. and in the absence of authentic information, rumor holds sway. and now we hear all sorts of things from all sorts of sources, some of which may indeed be true

Toshmann, I respect your input but even the best medical doctors will admit that some diseases are very well understood, with clearly documented symptoms manifestations and stages,  to the extent that even a layman can sensibly deduce the prognosis for a particular patient !!!!! How do Doctors pronounce that a cancer is terminal if decades of research has not show what terminal cancer resembles? Are you aware of the scheme operating in some African Countries whereby Doctors in villages use the internet to consult experts abroad to get diagnoses, advice and treatment plans? Has the specialist abroad seen the sick person in Africa? If the expert abroad has not examined a patient personally why is a Doctor in Africa willing to rely on his/her advice if not for the common sense logic that some diseases follow certain clear patterns that medical history has seen before and documented well?

Churg Strauss is rare but very well documented with clear stages. Organ involvement is seen at stage three. This is the final stage of the disease. This is the stage organ involvement and organ failure is experienced . Is it not sensible , for the sake of 150 million people, that we see Yar Adua as someone who might experience fatal organ failure given that many, many experts have documented clearly that when Churg Strauss affects many organs at stage three the prognosis may be poor and the patient untreatable?

Gbawe:

Not true. Folks are using perfectly sensible logic given that they are dealing with a Government that is callous, decietful and dishonest. Please list the number of conditions that affect the skin, kidney, heart ,lungs, peripheral nerves plus produce pericarditis as a complication !!! Yar Adua has locked up folks when they said things he did not like . He has come out vehemently to refute certain claims in the past. He took leadership to court and I believe he even recieved an apology or retraction. Why has he never denied that he has Churg Strauss when several news agency , other than saharareporters,  have reported that he does?

What is wrong with Nigerians trying to deduce what will never be willingly revealed to them? Do you think that Yar Adua will admit he has stage three Churg Strauss when those wanting him to step down will use that revelation to state that Yar Adua , given his heart involvement , may suffer a heart attack because of the stress and rigour of office? My man , it is not 2+2 equals 20 at all !!! Far from it !!!

In fact if Nigerians are to be accused of anything,  it is excessive and dangerous docility. The type that has always ensured they are badly led.

Yar Adua is listed among famous patients with Churg-Strauss on the very public Wikipedia Churg–Strauss article;

Famous patients

The memoir Patient, by the musician Ben Watt, deals with Watt's mid-1990s experience with Churg-Strauss syndrome, and his recovery. Watt's case was unusual in that it mainly affected his gastrointestinal tract, leaving his lungs largely unaffected; this unusual presentation contributed to a delay in proper diagnosis. His treatment required the removal of large sections of necrotized intestine, leaving Watt on a permanently restricted diet. The current president of Nigeria, Musa Yar' Adua, is also suffering from Churg-Strauss syndrome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churg%E2%80%93Strauss_syndrome#Famous_patients

Can it get more public than that? The Wikipedia article is the very first item on googles search results for "Churg–Strauss".

@gbawe
u dont get my point. ur analogy with a village doctor and foreign doctor . . . fits into my description . .

toshmann:

no medical professional will make a statement on a patient that has not been seen or examined by him or his surrogate.

while the foreign Dr has not seen the patients, the village doctor is a professional surrogate in this case and has seen and examined the patient. so it makes sense. to the best of my knowledge, all we have heard from yaradua is from the press or from gueswork here and there. neither his personal physician nor his foreign doctors have come out openly to tell us the truth. so as a professional i find it hard to openly agree with what i hear in the news. now i'm nt saying y'all are wrong. no, all i'm saying is we dont know for sure. and what evidence proves this more than the fact that the president has been rumoured to have died up to three times, each time the guy no gree die.

Gbawe:

Not true. Folks are using perfectly sensible logic given that they are dealing with a Government that is callous, decietful and dishonest. Please list the number of conditions that affect the skin, kidney, heart ,lungs, peripheral nerves plus produce pericarditis as a complication !!! Yar Adua has locked up folks when they said things he did not like . He has come out vehemently to refute certain claims in the past. He took leadership to court and I believe he even recieved an apology or retraction. Why has he never denied that he has Churg Strauss when several news agency , other than saharareporters, have reported that he does?

What is wrong with Nigerians trying to deduce what will never be willingly revealed to them? Do you think that Yar Adua will admit he has stage three Churg Strauss when those wanting him to step down will use that revelation to state that Yar Adua , given his heart involvement , may suffer a heart attack because of the stress and rigour of office? My man , it is not 2+2 equals 20 at all !!! Far from it !!!

In fact if Nigerians are to be accused of anything,  it is excessive and dangerous docility. The type that has always ensured they are badly led.

So because you can speculate and google up medical conditions on the internet your opinion becomes fact?

This is not a matter of deducing things - regardless of the nature of the illness, the president is sick. What is wrong is making speculations and treating them as fact. No one knows what is wrong with him in terms of the underlying cause - what is being done is tantamount to making a medical diagnosis on the back of a cigarette carton.

The government has not denied Churg Strauss, neither has it confirmed it - all they've said is that he has pericarditis - which can be caused by a number of things, and SOLELY be tied to Churg Strauss, even when the kidney condition is factored in.

One thing - what evidence of an ailment to his 'peripheral nerves' do you have?

Yar'adua doesn't need to lock up people in order for something to be false - there have been claims he is dead every time he travels abroad. . . .how many people were locked up for that? Does that now mean he has in fact died like 4 times?

You boys are trivializing the real issue

Whether Yar'adua has chugg-straus syndrome or HIV AIDS is his private business. What is our business is that the President is too sick to be in office. It does not matter what type of sickness it is . . . , . . . . what matters is that the President has been a waste of space in the last 2 years and non-existent in the last 13days.

If we are a serious Nation we will be debating when the President will stand down in accordance to the provisions of our constitution not the medical definition of his illness.

mikeansy:

You boys are trivializing the real issue

Whether Yar'adua has chugg-straus syndrome or HIV AIDS is his private business. What is our business is that the President is too sick to be in office. It does not matter what type of sickness it is . . . , . . . . what matters is that the President has been a waste of space in the last 2 years and non-existent in the last 13days.

If we are a serious Nation we will be debating when the President will stand down in accordance to the provisions of our constitution not the medical definition of his illness.

I wonder what the argument is about. The man hasn't offered us anything and he doesn't look like he has anything to offer. Why keep him in office? In what part of the world is this done? This is not a high school, it's a whole country where we have more than 150 million people. That's the concern. It should not be our business that he's sick, but he should get out of that position and treat himself. If his wife was even a good woman, she ought to ask him to leave office but as it is, she's only concerned with power. I can't deny the fact that sometimes I wish he'd just die and that'd make everything just good - I see no reason why we'll have a non-existent president when there are millions of qualified candidates. This is a country, not a family business.

I said impeach yaradua and put Fashola incharge.

If said president is unfit to lead the nation, given his condition, a suitable replacement should be instated.

The situation is very bad already, His sickness is making things worst. For God sake these people in government should put the interest of the nation above their selfish interest and let this Yaradua go, if he is no longer capable of writing a resignation letter, they should remove him by declaring him incapable to continue and let his vice step up. may be some things can still be done before 2011 or at least prevent things from getting worst before then.

Don't shoot the messenger.  The anonymous doctor has merely given an opinion.

No person is bigger than the country, as Mikeansy has said we wish him well with whatever he has got.
You can't hold 100 million people hostage.
The man is not fit to lead the country. Handover to Goodluck and get well soon.

SapeleGuy:

Don't shoot the messenger.  The anonymous doctor has merely given an opinion.

No person is bigger than the country, as Mikeansy has said we wish him well with whatever he has got.
You can't hold 100 million people hostage.
The man is not fit to lead the country. Handover to Goodluck and get well soon.

That was not an opinion worthy of consideration - it is an attack on the integrity of individuals without any proof, interlaced with some sob story of her own loss.

While the actual nature of his illness is unknown, we do know he isn't well. . . .it is not for people to discuss and determine if he is fit for office or not - the folk in the FEC come from somewhere and have family members. Talk to them and let them do the right thing and let a medical panel assess whether or not Yardie is fit to continue with being president.

Lets not be deceived Yar Adua is suffering from an Auto Immune Disease. . . .a disease where the persons antibodies attacks self! Thus organs such as the Lungs, Liver, Kidney, Heart etc can be affected.
Yar Adua looks pale suggesting that his PCV is low, also he usually go for Medical Treatment due to his Renal Insufficeincy (Kidney Wahala) even when he was the governor of Katstina. Now it is his Heart.
What is happening is that his body is rejecting itself. . . . .some say he is suffering from Chaug Straug Disease which is also an auto immune diease, I don't know if its true but the only thing I know is that my president is SICK! QED.

debosky:

That was not an opinion worthy of consideration - it is an attack on the integrity of individuals without any proof, interlaced with some sob story of her own loss.

While the actual nature of his illness is unknown, we do know he isn't well. . . .it is not for people to discuss and determine if he is fit for office or not - the folk in the FEC come from somewhere and have family members. Talk to them and let them do the right thing and let a medical panel assess whether or not Yardie is fit to continue with being president.

As oyinbo talk 'we are violently agreeing'. Leave aside the etiquette of the matter, there is consensus that this situation is an embarrassment and unhealthy to our dear nation. The latter part of your post implies that you are not opposed to the man resigning too.

debosky:

That was not an opinion worthy of consideration - it is an attack on the integrity of individuals without any proof, interlaced with some sob story of her own loss.

While the actual nature of his illness is unknown, we do know he isn't well. . . .it is not for people to discuss and determine if he is fit for office or not - the folk in the FEC come from somewhere and have family members. Talk to them and let them do the right thing and let a medical panel assess whether or not Yardie is fit to continue with being president.

The more I read your posts, the more I wonder whether you are a political apologist or you are just a damm ignorant. Even a school cert dropped-out can see that the man is suffering. It has been officially announced before now that the man has kidney problem, his skin problem is ovious to all and now they are crying he has a heart problem. what more information do you need? With those informations a good doctor should be able to make a good analysis. The anonymous doctor is free to make analysis from a well-informed angle. What she cannot do is to prescribe treatment, since that can only be done after confirmation of her analysis.

This annonymous doctor based her analysis on the information at her disposal and she did mention that it accurateness depends on the truthfulness of those informations.

It is people like you that make others wish the man dead. May be after he died, then your eyes will clear.

Anyway what is most important now is that we cannot continue like this. We need a leader, everyone knows that Yaradua is not available to lead  and Jonathan has not been legally empowered to lead. If he cannot resigns, he can at least write the Nat Assmb. for leave of absence so that his VP can officially take over. If he is not doing any, it might just mean that the Anonymous doctor is right afterall, meaning he is dead but still alive

OAM4J:

The more I read your posts, the more I wonder whether you are a political apologist or you are just a damm ignorant. Even a school cert dropped-out can see that[b] the man is suffering.[/b] It has been officially announced before now that the man has kidney problem, his skin problem is ovious to all and now they are crying he has a heart problem. what more information do you need? With those informations a good doctor should be able to make a good analysis. The anonymous doctor is free to make analysis from a well-informed angle. What she cannot do is to prescribe treatment, since that can only be done after confirmation of her analysis.

Good thing you are not a medical doctor or an analyst of worth - the nonsense you spew is baffling. So what if the man is suffering? Is suffering now the exact nature of the ailment? So what if he has a kidney disease and a heart problem? Does that NECESSARILY imply Churg Strauss?

The doctor is not making any well informed analysis - she is talking out of her backside and claiming to know things she doesn't. She CANNOT make a diagnosis of whether he is on life support or not based on simple pericarditis. That is quackery and not giving sound opinion.

This annonymous doctor based her analysis on the information at her disposal and she did mention that it accurateness depends on the truthfulness of those informations.

Where is the acknowledgment in that post of hers that she got this information and it may not be reliable - where is the 'may' usage? Instead she states categorically that the man is on life support! Analysis indeed - she is simply as self important upstart looking to make some noise and appear intelligent. . . .but realising she is likely talking nonsense, has to keep her name hidden else she'd be thoroughly disgraced.

It is people like you that make others wish the man dead. May be after he died, then your eyes will clear.

Whether he dies or lives, it doesn't change the fact that the opinion giver is a sensationalist who is condemning people even though she has no evidence.

debosky:


Where is the acknowledgment in that post of hers that she got this information and it may not be reliable - where is the 'may' usage? Instead she states categorically that the man is on life support! Analysis indeed - she is simply as self important upstart looking to make some noise and appear intelligent. . . .but realising she is likely talking nonsense, has to keep her name hidden else she'd be thoroughly disgraced.

Now I understand you have a problem reading and understanding simple english. You dont worth my time. But for the benefit of others reading. Below is the quote of the 1st and the last lines of her piece.

I just woke up to read this idiotic piece dished out to Nigerians. First, let me say, that beyond all reasonable doubt that if the diagnosis and the muddled up information dished out by the demons in PDP are true, then Mr. Yar'dua is not coming back to Nigeria, at least NOT on his feet.
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May God help us, and am genuinely praying, but it is not likely the man will come back. That is however, based on the premise that all what we have read is true.

I thought English was simple.

Two comments cannot explain what she says:

What is happening now is that they have put him on life support, he can neither talk or blink, he is in what we call CATATONIC STATE, with only the severely compromised brain ticking away. In that case , his algorithm will be very erratic on the monitor, They can give him all the epi. in the world and it will not make a difference.

She says he has been put on life support - what information is that based on? She says his brain is damaged - what is that information based on? That is simply from her own imagination and nowhere else.

She mentioned her source - 'muddled up information dished out by the demons in PDP'

I assume she has access to some of these demons in PDP. Anyway she described the information as being muddled up. She only tried to make the best analysis from the muddled up information. And she concluded that her conclusions are valid to the extent those informations are true. She has done no wrong.

OAM4J:

She mentioned her source - 'muddled up information dished out by the demons in PDP'

I assume she has access to some of these demons in PDP. Anyway she described the information as being muddled up. She only tried to make the best analysis from the muddled up information. And she concluded that her conclusions are valid to the extent those information are true. She has done no wrong.

If the information is muddled up, can it be relied upon and can it be regarded as doubtful - how can any evidence be regarded true and factual? She is discrediting the same evidence and claiming it is the basis for conclusions?

I'd rather believe a shoemaker's medical analysis than this nonsense.

debosky:

If the information is muddled up, can it be relied upon and can it be regarded as doubtful - how can any evidence be regarded true and factual? She is discrediting the same evidence and claiming it is the basis for conclusions?

I'd rather believe a shoemaker's medical analysis than this nonsense.

Your choice. And you are indeed entitled to it. Let's others make up their minds whether to believe her or not.

All i can say is that the man is someones father and no matter what ur fathers position is u cant find it amusing or okay to start divulging all this kind of anlysis and i think that is the respect people close to him and his family are giving him. If the nation is at a stand still i cant blame the president cos im sure that if there is a war situation we wont say d president is ill or out of town or indisposed and allow another country run us down the government as constituted cannot and should not stand still bicos d president is indisposed.
We all live by Gods miracle how many of us alive today can really be assured that he would outlive the president even if he were to die tomorrow we dont hold our lives in our hands.

OAM4J:

Your choice. And you are indeed entitled to it. Let's others make up their minds whether to believe her or not.

Thats ends the argument between OAM4J and Debosky. Everybody is entitled to believe whatever he or she wants to believe. But as for me, I don't believe that muddled up statement by the person on saharareporters.com
All I know is that my president is SICK! QED

marvix:

All i can say is that the man is someones father and no matter what your fathers position is u cant find it amusing or okay to start divulging all this kind of anlysis and i think that is the respect people close to him and his family are giving him. If the nation is at a stand still i cant blame the president cos im sure that if there is a war situation we wont say d president is ill or out of town or indisposed and allow another country run us down the government as constituted cannot and should not stand still bicos d president is indisposed.
We all live by Gods miracle how many of us alive today can really be assured that he would outlive the president even if he were to die tomorrow we dont hold our lives in our hands.

Sorry the man is also the president of 150million people by his choice. If you don't want your private life analysed don't hold a public position, it is that simple, even celebrities are not spared. And don't push the blame away from him or make excuses for him, he is the president. He owes us explanation on why we should be without a leader at this moment. I don't wish him dead, but he has no right to hold us to ransom for his ill heath. Millions are sick in Nigeria and millions die daily, I will die too, but all these other millions are not holding us to ransom. People should leave sentiments and face facts. Nigeria is bigger than any one person.

The Nation is at stand still, many things including the budget that should affects millions of lives are waiting for unavailable Mr President signature. We deserve better.

You better not wish or pray for war. You can not imagine the complications and confusions that will follow because the commander in chief of the armed forces has gone AWOL. (Away Without Official Leave). Technically, sentiments aside, he should have been dismissed or impeached cos that is a serious offence.

It's amazing some people can claim to have 0.5 functioning brain cell in their head from their posts! Haha. . .OAM4J. . .I think you should just leave the deluded posters alone! If this Yar'HasDoneNothing "president" was worth anything, he should have spoken up since but maybe he is now like a shigidi who needs to be carried all around and spoken for. 21 days. . .Nigerians are still counting and some people are questioning SR and a doctor who spoke from her experience??

Well, lies can go for a millennium. , truth catches-up but in a second!

Funny thing is I don't see him as the president, rather than a Father & husband, can see his loved ones so worried, pray he pulls through this.