4everGod:


^^^^^^^^
As expected, this self acclaimed atheist did not read between the lines. His zombie (one tracked) mentality sees everything as an experiment. Lmao.

Intelligence has hit a record low with these atheists on Nairaland.

enshy:

Oga, you are the unintelligent one!
Is it the test and experiment of oxygen that heralded atheism?
One of you said atheism began 4000 years ago, so why didnt atheists refuse breathing till science made the discovery?

Man, science only makes discoveries of the existing!

The question is where did oxygen come from? where did air emanate from?
To show your folly to all: tell us also the discoveries of science, the tests and experiments on oxygen? did you confirm these tests or rather believed them? You read them in a book?
Oga, you failed before you open the thread!

ScepticalPyrrho:
I'm sure you feel godly right now.

Smh

4everGod:


Am i the reason why you predictably found it impossible to read between the lines of my comment? I feel pity for you right now and not godly.

ScepticalPyrrho:
I used to believe that God exists until I scrutinized my thoughts independent of the dogmas of religious teachings and objectively.

I don't believe God exists as all the arguments I could come up with lack evidential basis.

With further research and learning on the subject matter, I realized that there is a clear distinction between believing in the existence of God, and whether or not there is such a thing.

For instance, I've never really perceived God, like most people, but I believed anyway.

I tried to rationalize or give reasons why God should exist.

Bottom line, which I sincerely can't deny is this; No matter how strongly I may have believed, or wished it to be. There is no knowledge of God, but only belief.

ScepticalPyrrho:
You've displayed enough hypocrisy here to prove my op correct.

Thank you.

ScepticalPyrrho:

Seriously?

I'm suppose to take this as an intelligent post?
You are right about this. Maybe someone would discover God one day and then we'll truly know God.

Trash

ScepticalPyrrho:
You've displayed enough hypocrisy here to prove my op correct.

Thank you.

4everGod:



Stop mixing up harsh truth with Hypocrisy all in an attempt to garner cheap points. The Hypocrite has been you all along who claims to be an atheist yet claims there is some god somewhere which nobody truly knows but only believes and their belief isnt factual when factual belief actually exists.

Belief is not a mystery little man....belief can also be as a result of an event or series of events so that belief was backed by fact and not belief existing in isolation.

Upgrade your intelligence mr atheist. Its badly lacking in that department.

enshy:

Did you cease breathing before you read about science discovery of oxygen wise one?
You enjoyed oxygen while you deceived urself on research that you didnt do neither understood, you only read it and sheepishly believed, a wise thing to do though!
Your post is fit only for the bin! It lacks human reasoning though another of you has said the hope of an atheist is the hope of an animal that dies without hope of eternity.

ScepticalPyrrho:
"belief backed up by fact"?

why are you having problems presenting this facts?

You just wasted a whole lot of energy trying to present a thing believed to be factual.

"Belief" isn't needed when it is fact.

4everGod:



face palm! Who put your intelligence in reverse? chai.

If you have seen a man bench press 500 pounds repeatedly and he now is asked to bench press 550 pounds and someone asks you....hey Mr atheist do you think he can do it?

Your answer would be...I BELIEVE HE CAN!

And why so? Its because you have seen him bench press 500 pounds so you believe 550 pounds is doable.

The fact is the experience...the experience is the basis for the belief.

With every response you give me you show how much less intelligent you really are.

ScepticalPyrrho:
Modified:
So?
Does that mean I know for sure?

ScepticalPyrrho:
I see this as a futile attempt to change this into an exchange of abuses out of frustration.

4everGod:



face palm! Who put your intelligence in reverse? chai.

If you have seen a man bench press 500 pounds repeatedly and he now is asked to bench press 550 pounds and someone asks you....hey Mr atheist do you think he can do it?

Your answer would be...I BELIEVE HE CAN!

And why so? Its because you have seen him bench press 500 pounds so you believe 550 pounds is doable.

The fact is the experience...the experience is the basis for the belief.

With every response you give me you show how much less intelligent you really are.

ScepticalPyrrho:
"belief backed up by fact"?

why are you having problems presenting this facts?

You just wasted a whole lot of energy trying to present a thing believed to be factual.

"Belief" isn't needed when it is fact.

enshy:

You are indeed 4ever God's!
You are wise my man!

Blogthug:


do u believe belief isn't needed when its a fact?

and what fact do u have for the inexistence of God?

(please I didn't know how to comment on your comments so I made a mess, please see the comment above and respond thanks)

4everGod:


What do you think "TO BELIEVE" means?

ScepticalPyrrho:
This is what I addressed in my OP.

It replies your question.

ScepticalPyrrho:
This is what I addressed in my OP.

It replies your question.

Blogthug:


please can u show me how to insert comments between comments while quoting? I suck at it

ScepticalPyrrho:
Lol.

4everGod:


Your OP addressed absolutely nothing!

I on the other hand have shown you how a positive comes from a negative. You say God does not exist and that means you have reasons for that disclosure. Your reasons have become your belief.

So prove to us that your belief which came from your lack of belief is true.

Blogthug:



u proved my point, u can't claim to lack belief in God, you only disbelief in God, but u forget one important thing, God is the best explanation for the origin of the universe, and intelligent life, there is to argument or evidence for your disbelief in God

You can make thousands of excuses, reasons, arguments for the existence of god(which I'm very good at), but the objects of human knowledge remains what we can prove substantially.

u can't prove God's inexistence either, in fact there is no reason to think the universe wasn't intended coz all available evidences points to the fact that our universe would need a creator, a law Giver, God
.

If you want to gain knowledge "education" on a subject matter, learn to avoid sentimental authors.
which sentimental authors did I quote? I only showed u a link with various dictionary definition of atheism, forget about the name of the site and just go see the definitions of atheism from various dictionaries , not asking u to read the site owners opinion
.

The best place to find the proper definition of concepts is in its philosophical definition.
aha! if u have done your home work, u will discover that philosophical definition of atheism isn't a lack of belief in God, is a denial or disbelief in God not gods ( take note of the G and see image below

I'll do that, but still learn to be sincere to your intellect in your quest for knowledge.
I don't know what your are talking about here
I'm not aware of such unison in all religious god-claim.

this is because you have been ignorantly making the category of grouping God with god's , God's capitalization is important because it denotes a different category of being ascribed to be the creator of the universe and origin of intelligent life but describes and named differently by various religions Eledumare, Yahweh, Allah, Vishnu all Same God, get it?

I made a topic on this, u can read more from my post.
As a matter of fact, those God's discribed always seem to have characters similar to the culture they emanate from.


God is not a god, again different category of being, all (g)ods are not ascribed to creating the universe.
Like the Judaism god, happens to love the Jews than any other race. Allah is also somewhat presented as having bias against other non-allah worshippers.
Brahman isn't even a deity, according to Hindu belief system. They have a more pantheistic perception of Brahman.

by definition Brahman is God, the perception doesn't matter, even Christians believe in Trinity

So, your instance is wrong. Nature, as a scientific concept, is not as diverse in meaning, character or sentiments as all the thousands of religious gods.

dead Wrong, no two scientist would describe Nature the same way, but they won't ask which Nature, u think there is sentiments because u ignorantly classified God and gods as the same thus making a category error fallacy, visit my post on the topic

Have you disproved it? .

tu quoque fallacy, u made the claim so u prove it
Something more objective, verifiable, concrete, justifiable, substantiable like other things we claim to have knowledge of.

do u require this for for everything you believe in or only when it comes to God? if it's only for God then u are a hypocrite, what evidence do u have for other peoples minds or consciousness existing without presupposing they must exist ?
do u also believe that our present technology can prove the supernatural being called God? or do u imagine God to be a physical being? or do u assume materialism is all we have? if yes, mathematics and logic? what about the mind? do u have a mind? and isit material ?

Where did you get your stats from?
.

it's from a research of coz, daily mail also published that, reseach more on it.

Besides, knowledge have been passed on through learning, studying, research, tests and observation.
do u think the scientific method is the only way we can have knowledge? how about logic?

Not everyone on the planet knows that there is such a thing as a solar system.
It will be a fallacy of argumentum ad populum to accept a thing as true because majority BELIEVES it is so.

nope, I was only showing u that, if the research is true, it means u as an atheist have a poor brain function, and no matter what evidence theists present for the existence of God, u will reject it incredulously
there is also a way to justify your disbelief in Gods inexistence as True, see the picture below , if u can't then ur disbelief in God is by faith and nothing more

Blogthug:
I feel your pain.


testing testing

I had problems reading your response, but it's harder to explain how it is done.

Blogthug:

Nope, I was only showing u that, if the research is true, it means u as an atheist have a poor brain function, and no matter what evidence theists present for the existence of God, u will reject it incredulously
there is also a way to justify your disbelief in Gods inexistence as True, see the picture below , if u can't then ur disbelief in God is by faith and nothing more

ScepticalPyrrho:
Well, I never said God does not exist.

I don't believe in God's existence.

It is quite different if you look at it properly.

My position is that of an agnostic-atheist.

You shouldn't lay claim to what you don't know.

Like I said in my OP, I can't argue against believe as it is interpreted to mean.

I only reject claims of knowing god by your likes. Learn not to make that leap.

ScepticalPyrrho:
Well, I never said God does not exist.

I don't believe in God's existence.

It is quite different if you look at it properly.

My position is that of an agnostic-atheist.

You shouldn't lay claim to what you don't know.

Like I said in my OP, I can't argue against believe as it is interpreted to mean.

I only reject claims of knowing god by your likes. Learn not to make that leap.

Well, I never said God does not exist.

I don't believe in God's existence.

Blogthug:


agnostic atheism is simply word salad created by Anthony flew and promoted by biologist come pseudo philosopher Richard Dawkins .
it's quite a cop out move that allows an atheist when asked to defend their position hide under the agnostic position while demanding answers from theist, it's does not answer the Does God exist? question or do u agree God exists ? which is either yes (theism )no (atheism) and I don't know (agnosticism).

also think of how ridiculous the Gnostic theist position will sound now if I asked u, do u agree God exists? what will your answer be?