GenBuhari:
blueAgent is clearly a white racist probably working for imperialist white supremacists agenda on African forums.

Why has Africa not developed because these white devils fear our brillance so much , that they have made it a full time occupation to sabotage African development.

Even till today the evidence of their continue sabotage is all around,.

Where are all the looted African wealth? in their banks , Who are the $trillion beneficiaries of the Malabu scandal? Imperialist owned oil companies.

What of the $17bn undeclared oil theft ? all this from just one country.

Many of these pathetic agents of imperialism on African forums are on NL and on this thread feigning to be African.

Dear white man , change your ways you would destroy yourself in your quest to destroy us Africans, you have forgotten how to work hard and soon will become so uncompetitive that is why china is wiping the floor with you economically , without pillaging africa in the way you have been continuing to do.

Dreamer.

lols!!! op you cant be convincing black people that they were once great at the same time supporting most African countries structure even though you know they are of the whites creation. You simply cannot support Nigeria if you believe that we are greater than the whites because Nigeria itself was created by them. Lead by example by telling Africans to restructure there countries according to their choice not by the European creation. Africans have to start speaking their native language as their official language. This way, we will go back to our glory.

deedeedee1:
lols!!! op you cant be convincing black people that they were once great at the same time supporting most African countries structure even though you know they are of the whites creation. You simply cannot support Nigeria if you believe that we are greater than the whites because Nigeria itself was created by them. Lead by example by telling Africans to restructure there countries according to their choice not by the European creation. Africans have to start speaking their native language as their official language. This way, we will go back to our glory.

I'm not opposed to restructuring or anything else. Where did you get that idea? All I say is that such changes have to be well organised and well thought through, with all stakeholders on board. We do not need societal collapse or territorial wars breaking out.

deedeedee1:
lols!!! op you cant be convincing black people that they were once great at the same time supporting most African countries structure even though you know they are of the whites creation. You simply cannot support Nigeria if you believe that we are greater than the whites because Nigeria itself was created by them. Lead by example by telling Africans to restructure there countries according to their choice not by the European creation. Africans have to start speaking their native language as their official language. This way, we will go back to our glory.

Abeg tell us what computer or The first 20 elements in chemistry are called in any native African language

blueAgent:

Abeg tell us what computer or The first 20 elements in chemistry are called in any native African language

Even if there is no name for them, new names can be developed.

THE MINOANS OF ANCIENT GREECE WERE ACTUALLY....AFRICANS!


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Archaeologist Manfred Bietak conducted extensive research on ancient Greek civilizations and their connections to ancient Egypt. Bietak unearthed evidence from artwork as early as 7000 B.C. that depicts the early people inhabiting Greece were of African descent.

The Minoan culture of Ancient Greece reached its peak at about 1600 B.C. They were known for their vibrant cities, opulent palaces and established trade connections. Minoan artwork is recognized as a major era of visual achievement in art history. Pottery, sculptures and frescoes from the Minoan Bronze age grace museum displays all over the world. Palace ruins indicate remnants of paved roads and piped water systems.

http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/04/16/5-ancient-black-civilizations-africa/

Ancient Artefact showing the first Olympic Games in Greece around 3000 years ago.




Who would have guessed that it was our ancestors who invented the Olympic Games?

The Moors were not "black Africans". They were of Berber and Arab origins. Europeans may have referred to them as "black" in the same way many Nigerians here may call a Lebanese or even an Indian man "white". Doesn't mean they were "black" in the Bantu/Negro sense. Considering our ancestors along the Nigerian coast here couldn't even sail or navigate the oceans and never advanced beyond dugout canoes, you can't be trying to claim your ancestors conquered parts of Southern Europe. It's like a man from Bangladesh trying to claim the achievements of Chinese people.

A lot of the things Afrocentrist black people claim have tenuous links to their actual heritage. One that particularly drives me mad as an Igbo man is when Igbo people claim they have Jewish origins, despite no shred of existence that we've ever set foot on the Sahara and despite the fact we're most likely a far older civilization than Semitic people. Not even that Jews descended from them (which would still be false with no shred of evidence, but plausibe), but that they descend from Jews. Even heard some Yoruba's claim to have Egyptian roots.

Instead of claiming Jesus and every man of consequence in history was black (I'm sure if there were no pictures, the same people would claim even Einstein was black), focus on the present and future. If we had all these glorious empires, why is it so damn hard to replicate in the modern world. Why can white people abandon their European homelands and build great wealth everywhere they go: North America, Oceania, South Africa, Latin America etc while we still grapple with the same old problems that stunt the black race?

Obi1kenobi:
The Moors were not "black Africans". They were of Berber and Arab origins. Europeans may have referred to them as "black" in the same way many Nigerians here may call a Lebanese or even an Indian man "white". Doesn't mean they were "black" in the Bantu/Negro sense. Considering our ancestors along the Nigerian coast here couldn't even sail or navigate the oceans and never advanced beyond dugout canoes, you can't be trying to claim your ancestors conquered parts of Southern Europe. It's like a man from Bangladesh trying to claim the achievements of Chinese people.

A lot of the things Afrocentrist black people claim have tenuous links to their actual heritage. One that particularly drives me mad as an Igbo man is when Igbo people claim they have Jewish origins, despite no shred of existence that we've ever set foot on the Sahara and despite the fact we're most likely a far older civilization than Semitic people. Not even that Jews descended from them (which would still be false with no shred of evidence, but plausibe), but that they descend from Jews. Even heard some Yoruba's claim to have Egyptian roots.

Instead of claiming Jesus and every man of consequence in history was black (I'm sure if there were no pictures, the same people would claim even Einstein was black), focus on the present and future. If we had all these glorious empires, why is it so damn hard to replicate in the modern world. Why can white people abandon their European homelands and build great wealth everywhere they go: North America, Oceania, South Africa, Latin America etc while we still grapple with the same old problems that stunt the black race?

Stop your crap!, the video below debunk all your lies

(Quotes from the author of the video)

These images alone utterly destroy the Eurocentrist lies that would have you believe that the Moors who invaded Spain and ruled for over 780 years and also conquered much of white Europe were not black. History records the fact that they were black. Common sense would dictate that they were black and most significantly and undeniably the images of Moors in Europe TODAY even show that they were a black African race of people.

I am certain that if the racist Eurocentrists could afford to do so they would purchase all of the evidence I am showing in this video and then destroy it. But these artifacts are extremely valuable and highly prized. the artifacts and images speak for themselves and are irrefutable. The desperate Eurocentrists often come up with laughable and child-like explanations that make NO sense whatsoever because they are intent upon postulating the lies that the must and need to believe. Anything that threatens their idea of white supremacy, racial superiority and their idea of a "manifest destiny" to rule is seen as a threat.

It is for this very reason that books have been burned, entire valuable libraries of ancient knowledge destroyed and images defaced (such as in Egypt) in order to facilitate the confusion and the theft of a history and a legacy they want to claim as their own although they had nothing to do with it.

For the serious seeker I would say, just use that tool that is in front of you now. Put aside all prejudice, bias and pre-conceived ideas and go on a search for truth. You may be surprised.

Only a fool is afraid of truth, regardless of what that truth is and only a fool lies even to themselves because they would rather trick themselves into believing a lie than to accept the truth that is right before their eyes. This is a FOOL. A damned man or woman with no soul.

Research the Moorish Crests that to this day are all over Europe and show Moorish KINGS as black. Yes, these Moorish kings were eventually overthrown but that doesn't change their historical record.

Perhaps the primary reason that Eurocentrists and white supremacists want to deny the legacy of the Black Moors with their shameful lies is because of the following: Much of Europe was in the dark ages when the Moors first invaded Spain. 99% of Christian Europe was ILLITERATE, even most of the Kings and Queens.

The black Moors brought literacy; science; medicine; technology; advanced math; introduced bathing (built over 700 bathhouses). (Many believed it a sin to bathe). They established libraries and universities (one librarie contained over 600,000 manuscripts.

Spain went on to become the most powerful force in the world as a result of the BLACK Moorish invasion which actually was a god-send to Europe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8M1ey6U5io

100's of BLACK negro Moors Images in Europe

Horus:


Stop your crap!, the video below debunk all your lies

(Quotes from the author of the video)

These images alone utterly destroy the Eurocentrist lies that would have you believe that the Moors who invaded Spain and ruled for over 780 years and also conquered much of white Europe were not black. History records the fact that they were black. Common sense would dictate that they were black and most significantly and undeniably the images of Moors in Europe TODAY even show that they were a black African race of people.

I am certain that if the racist Eurocentrists could afford to do so they would purchase all of the evidence I am showing in this video and then destroy it. But these artifacts are extremely valuable and highly prized. the artifacts and images speak for themselves and are irrefutable. The desperate Eurocentrists often come up with laughable and child-like explanations that make NO sense whatsoever because they are intent upon postulating the lies that the must and need to believe. Anything that threatens their idea of white supremacy, racial superiority and their idea of a "manifest destiny" to rule is seen as a threat.

It is for this very reason that books have been burned, entire valuable libraries of ancient knowledge destroyed and images defaced (such as in Egypt) in order to facilitate the confusion and the theft of a history and a legacy they want to claim as their own although they had nothing to do with it.

For the serious seeker I would say, just use that tool that is in front of you now. Put aside all prejudice, bias and pre-conceived ideas and go on a search for truth. You may be surprised.

Only a fool is afraid of truth, regardless of what that truth is and only a fool lies even to themselves because they would rather trick themselves into believing a lie than to accept the truth that is right before their eyes. This is a FOOL. A damned man or woman with no soul.

Research the Moorish Crests that to this day are all over Europe and show Moorish KINGS as black. Yes, these Moorish kings were eventually overthrown but that doesn't change their historical record.

Perhaps the primary reason that Eurocentrists and white supremacists want to deny the legacy of the Black Moors with their shameful lies is because of the following: Much of Europe was in the dark ages when the Moors first invaded Spain. 99% of Christian Europe was ILLITERATE, even most of the Kings and Queens.

The black Moors brought literacy; science; medicine; technology; advanced math; introduced bathing (built over 700 bathhouses). (Many believed it a sin to bathe). They established libraries and universities (one librarie contained over 600,000 manuscripts.

Spain went on to become the most powerful force in the world as a result of the BLACK Moorish invasion which actually was a god-send to Europe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8M1ey6U5io

100's of BLACK negro Moors Images in Europe

Making those deductions from art works is daft. There are kooks and conspiracy theorists all over the Internet to support every idea anyone harbors. Afrocentrists are renowned conspiracy theorists consumed with paranoid delusions. Moorish history and culture can easily to traced to Berbers and Arabs. If you think they were of negro stock, can you trace exactly which ethnic group or nationality they descended from. I'll wait.

Interesting, thanks for sharing

Rosskii:

Even if there is no name for them, new names can be developed.

Dreamer. You want to sandfill the Atlantic abi?

Rosskii:

Even if there is no name for them, new names can be developed.

Dreamer. You wan Sandfill Atlantic Ocean? abi

Obi1kenobi:


Making those deductions from art works is daft. There are kooks and conspiracy theorists all over the Internet to support every idea anyone harbors. Afrocentrists are renowned conspiracy theorists consumed with paranoid delusions. Moorish history and culture can easily to traced to Berbers and Arabs. If you think they were of negro stock, can you trace exactly which ethnic group or nationality they descended from. I'll wait.

We dont deal with "deductions" but facts and the fact is that there are representations of black moors in museums, public buildings, churchs, monuments, government buildings etc all over europe. You, arab supremacist should just realise that it is too late for you, the information is out and you cannot mislead people any longer.

Horus:


We dont deal with "deductions" but facts and the fact is that there are representations of black moors in museums, public buildings, churchs, monuments, government buildings etc all over europe. You, arab supremacist should just realise that it is too late for you, the information is out and you cannot mislead people any longer.

You've stated nothing factual other than linking me to a random guy's youtube video as if he's some kind of global intellectual authority. A video that depends entirely on making wild speculations from artworks. You deliberately avoided my question. Who are these blacks that the Moors are descended from? I mean....you can trace the Persians to today's Iran. Or Mesopotamians to today's Iraq. Or the Ottomans to today's Turkey. So what black people today have these links to the Moors?

I've provided a fairly simply explanation for the wild assumptions made by your youtube hero: that the Berbers (many of whom were almost Negro/Bantu-level dark) and Arabs were comparatively dark compared to their European subjects. You disagree. So, you should be able to provide tangible links between black Africans and Moors other than art works.

Obi1kenobi:

So, you should be able to provide tangible links between black Africans and Moors other than art works.

If you refuse to accept the ancient ''artworks'' which depict them as they actually looked, ie black, what other evidence or 'tangible links' will you accept?

Eyewitness testimonies?

Well, how about this one?

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The Spanish occupation by the Moors began in 711 AD when an African army, under their leader Tariq ibn-Ziyad, crossed the Strait of Gibraltar from northern Africa and invaded the Iberian peninsula.

A European scholar sympathetic to the Spaniards remembered the conquest in this way:

''The reins of their horses were as fire, their faces black as pitch, their eyes shone like burning candles, their horses were swift as leopards and the riders fiercer than a wolf in a sheepfold at night . . . The noble Goths [the German rulers of Spain] were broken in an hour, quicker than tongue can tell. Oh luckless Spain!''

Quoted in Edward Scobie, ''The Moors and Portugal's Global Expansion'', in Golden Age of the Moor, ed Ivan Van Sertima, US, Transaction Publishers, 1992, p.336

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So there we have it. Fulsome pictorial evidence, and fulsome eyewitness testimonies.

Yet some people are demanding ''more evidence''. ''More tangible links''.

Sometimes it's just best to ignore some people.

Rosskii:


If you refuse to accept the ancient ''artworks'' which depict them as they actually looked, ie black, what other evidence or 'tangible links' will you accept?

Eyewitness testimonies?

Well, how about this one?

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The Spanish occupation by the Moors began in 711 AD when an African army, under their leader Tariq ibn-Ziyad, crossed the Strait of Gibraltar from northern Africa and invaded the Iberian peninsula.

A European scholar sympathetic to the Spaniards remembered the conquest in this way:

''The reins of their horses were as fire, their faces black as pitch, their eyes shone like burning candles, their horses were swift as leopards and the riders fiercer than a wolf in a sheepfold at night . . . The noble Goths [the German rulers of Spain] were broken in an hour, quicker than tongue can tell. Oh luckless Spain!''

Quoted in Edward Scobie, ''The Moors and Portugal's Global Expansion'', in Golden Age of the Moor, ed Ivan Van Sertima, US, Transaction Publishers, 1992, p.336

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So there we have it. Fulsome pictorial evidence, and fulsome eyewitness testimonies.

Yet some people are demanding ''more evidence''. ''More tangible links''.

Sometimes it's just best to ignore some people.

You're still digressing coz you know you have nothing of substance to say. The Moorish conquests occurred as recently as the 8th century. What tribe/ethnic group/nationality etc in black Africa today spawned the Moors. It's a very simple question. Stop beating around the bush.

This is the problem with inhabiting the bubble of delusional Afrocentrist authors who distort history. Everything becomes some kind of grand conspiracy to suppress black history. Nevermind that most of the West's intellectual class are leftist liberals who if anything are fascinated with any portrayals of black achievement. You think they also have to lie for you.

I've said here that many Berbers are dark. Darker than Arabs. And even Arabs themselves have large dark populations. I've seen many Yemenis and Saudis that could pass for Sudanese people. Those dark people are certainly not Negros. Their achievements aren't ours to claim any more than a man from Nepal can claim Japanese achievements.

Great topic and I did see a few pics and names that I have never seen before, hence I decided to post. History is always interesting and knowledge is infinite.

Anyway, in as much as the moors should always be celebrated for the huge role they played in black history, despite how they have almost made them white when there were no white people in Africa at that point in history (Berbers just started turning white/brown less than 200 years ago and a lot of Berbers are still black) - they're also culpable in the rise of white people, their total domination of the world, and what black people are going through today. The moors failed to do what the Greeks did to the Persians, hence the foray into Africa by Europeans. And the ones who returned to the continent destroyed Songhay and Timbuktu, while a lot of the ones who stayed in Europe were either sold into slavery, or were some of the sailors used for the slave ships. Ditto all the atlas used during that period, which were moorish atlas.

Regardless, we just have to acknowledge their greatness and contributions to world history, especially the renaissance because without them, Europe might still be in the dark ages and there won't be anything called, Western civilisation.

Big ups to Horus and the frenemy, Rossike.

Obi1kenobi:


You've stated nothing factual other than linking me to a random guy's youtube video as if he's some kind of global intellectual authority. A video that depends entirely on making wild speculations from artworks. You deliberately avoided my question. Who are these blacks that the Moors are descended from? I mean....you can trace the Persians to today's Iran. Or Mesopotamians to today's Iraq. Or the Ottomans to today's Turkey. So what black people today have these links to the Moors?

I've provided a fairly simply explanation for the wild assumptions made by your youtube hero: that the Berbers (many of whom were almost Negro/Bantu-level dark) and Arabs were comparatively dark compared to their European subjects. You disagree. So, you should be able to provide tangible links between black Africans and Moors other than art works.

You are free to visit museums, public buildings, churchs, monuments, government buildings and see all evidences by yourself, so whatever you say, think, believe or any other think you post here will not change the reality. Arguing cannot remove the presence of artefacts representing black african moors all over europe. Your attempt to whitewash black history failed miserably.

Obi1kenobi:


You're still digressing coz you know you have nothing of substance to say. The Moorish conquests occurred as recently as the 8th century. What tribe/ethnic group/nationality etc in black Africa today spawned the Moors. It's a very simple question. Stop beating around the bush.

This is the problem with inhabiting the bubble of delusional Afrocentrist authors who distort history. Everything becomes some kind of grand conspiracy to suppress black history. Nevermind that most of the West's intellectual class are leftist liberals who if anything are fascinated with any portrayals of black achievement. You think they also have to lie for you.

I've said here that many Berbers are dark. Darker than Arabs. And even Arabs themselves have large dark populations. I've seen many Yemenis and Saudis that could pass for Sudanese people. Those dark people are certainly not Negros. Their achievements aren't ours to claim any more than a man from Nepal can claim Japanese achievements.

First of all, leave "ours" out of this because YOU are not one of us. You are a white foreigner who comes in here pretending to be Nigerian. You ALWAYS come in here to trash any allusions to a great African past. Your attempt to divide black Africans into "Berber, dark, negro, Sudanese, Yemeni" and all that garbage is a total, abject failure, and is wholly rejected by everyone here. You can NEVER divide us, or separate us from our accomplishments, WHITE BOY, so run along, and stay running.

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Horus:


You are free to visit museums, public buildings, churchs, monuments, government buildings and see all evidences by yourself, so whatever you say, think, believe or any other think you post here will not change the reality. Arguing cannot remove the presence of artefacts representing black african moors all over europe. Your attempt to whitewash black history failed miserably.

Did you notice the SPHINX in Egypt?, the faces of the Pharaohs are being tampered with.
White folks are TAMPERING with their NOSES.
They still CANNOT agree with the idea of a black man setting up those structures way back.
No matter how had they try,the truth will always reveal itself.
Look at Euclid, the Egyptian mathematician, they said he is a Greek.
How could he be a Greek when everything point to the facts that he was an Egyptian.
They even argued that hieroglyphics and pyramids were alien inventions, how could this be when there are pyramids is in Sudan as well.
And these were build 800 years after the Egyptians have stopped building pyramids.

Not sure why I got banned by the anti-spam bot for bumping this thread

LMAO @ the title because it's a reach (IMO) but western Europe owes its coming out of the Dark Ages to Black Africans and Arabs who settled in the Iberian peninsula and Sicily for centuries.. My contribution:

In the ninth century, in order to achieve commercial dominance in the region, Muslim powers in Tunisia launched an invasion of Sicily. The conquest was facilitated by "large and well organized fleets” coming from the east coast of Spain and the western Maghrib, and manned chiefly by Berbers.
It began in 827, and ended ten years later with the storming of Palermo. The occupation of Palermo was followed by the occupation of Messina in 842 and Syracuse in 878. In 937, Ibn Hawkal noted that Blacks were very common in Palermo. Regarding one of the city’s main entrances, Hawkal wrote that it was called the "Bab es Soudan,” or "Gate of the Blacks,” so named after its ebony-hued residents. Pope Leo III referred to these Blacks variously as Moors, Agareni, and Saracens. (Golden Age of the Moor, p. 56)

What have Africans done for Sicily ?
https://siciliangodmother.com/2013/05/20/what-have-the-africans-done-for-sicily/

sukkot:
lol brah the moors were kicked out of europe by their mixed race children. the population of the mixed race took the side of their white mothers and kicked the moors out of europe. basically they fuckeddd themselves out of power lol. it is common knowledge bro lmao. you know i have been on this journey for a long time and i associate with moorish americans in the states. they all will tell you its the sexual exploits of the moors that caused their downfall

Very interesting. I need to explore that further.

Interesting read...

I've been doing some research on the Book of Enoch. Why was the book removed from the Bible? I have reason to suspect white imperialism.

That book provides interesting facts and history about the world and human race. The book was was even referenced in other canonical books like Jude.

You can deduce from there that the original Jews were actually black and so on. So they took it out.

donnie:
Interesting read...

I've been doing some research on the Book of Enoch. Why was the book removed from the Bible? I have reason to suspect white imperialism.

That book provides interesting facts and history about the world and human race. The book was was even referenced in other canonical books like Jude.

You can deduce from there that the original Jews were actually black and so on. So they took it out.

Oh the Book of Enoch is probably the most important account of the world, and definitely promises trouble for the children of Esau, or white folk to be precise.

Nice