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Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by Nobody: 11:15pm On Apr 24, 2017
I just want to have a civilized debate with any atheist on Nairaland who is up for it. The subject is simple. Is the act of committing murder wrong? Do you think taking the life of someone else is morally impermissible? If yes, does this notion apply to every instance or circumstance under which such act is committed?

If anyone is wondering why my title is addressed specifically to atheists, well, it's because I think they don't have any workable framework for objective morality and as such, morality seems to be more of a subjective quality to them. So I want to see how their moral intuitions are calibrated on the question of murder. Still, opinions from theists are also welcome.
Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by Nobody: 11:19pm On Apr 24, 2017
It is not wrong. but when you drink the blood, that's where the problem sets in .

last month I killed 3 animals (men) and nothing happened

you see, we are all animals.

but with different mentality

some of the animals I kill are just like you, they ask stupid questions a lot sad

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Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by Nobody: 11:21pm On Apr 24, 2017
Foxyn:
It is not wrong. but when you drink the blood, that's where the problem sets in .

last month I killed 3 animals (men) and nothing happened

you, we are all animals.

some of the animals I kill are just like you, they ask stupid questions a lot sad

You obviously didn't read the part where I said I wanted a civilized debate.

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Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by Nobody: 11:23pm On Apr 24, 2017
Stewie101:


You obviously didn't read the part where I said I wanted a civilized discussion.
so did I give you a militarilized reply?
Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by champagnepapi01: 11:23pm On Apr 24, 2017
Foxyn:
It is not wrong. but when you drink the blood, that's where the problem sets in .

last month I killed 3 animals (men) and nothing happened

you see, we are all animals.

but with different mentality

some of the animals I kill are just like you, they ask stupid questions a lot sad


Loooooooooool. Fooooooooooooooooooool

Lol,
Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by thesicilian: 11:24pm On Apr 24, 2017
That atheists do not believe in the existence of a Supreme Deity doesn't mean they don't know the difference between right & wrong

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Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by Nobody: 11:29pm On Apr 24, 2017
Foxyn:
so did I give you a militarilized reply?

More like an incoherent, badly written reply that bespeaks of a remarkable inability to pass across your opinions effectively through writing. I couldn't comprehend the first four "paragraphs" of your post. I couldn't even understand the point you were making. Reading your response was really excruciating.

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Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by Nobody: 11:34pm On Apr 24, 2017
thesicilian:
That atheists do not believe in the existence of a Supreme Deity doesn't mean they don't know the difference between right & wrong
You play chess very well?
Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by Nobody: 11:36pm On Apr 24, 2017
Stewie101:


More like an incoherent, badly written reply that bespeaks of a remarkable inability to pass across your opinions effectively through writing. I couldn't understand the first four "paragraphs" of your post. Reading your response was really excruciating. You should learn how to write properly.
old Roger is dead and went to his grave. hmmm aaah! went to his grave

they planted an apple tree over his head. hmm aaah! over his head

the apple grew up, and ready to fall. hmm aaah! ready to fall

then came an old woman and pick them all up. hmm aaah! pick them all up

old roger got up, and gave her a knock. hmm aaaah! gave her a knock.

I just hope you'll understand this one.. at your level, this is what you should be reciting

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Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by Nobody: 11:39pm On Apr 24, 2017
thesicilian:
That atheists do not believe in the existence of a Supreme Deity doesn't mean they don't know the difference between right & wrong

I would like to know how you arrived at this distinction between right and wrong. What's your basis? What's your definition for what's wrong and what's right?

And I find it a bit odd that you seem to be speaking on behalf of every atheist. Are you the spokesperson for the Association Of All Atheists On Planet Earth? Or are you somehow clairvoyant that you know the mind of every atheist in the world? Wouldn't it be better if you addressed the question from your own perspective, instead of purporting to know what you don't know?

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Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by chemystery: 11:40pm On Apr 24, 2017
OP these will answer your questions

Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by thesicilian: 11:41pm On Apr 24, 2017
mikezuruki:

You play chess very well?
On a scale of 1 to 10, I consider myself a level 6.
Although I'm wondering why you asked?
Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by Nobody: 11:48pm On Apr 24, 2017
Stewie101:


You obviously didn't read the part where I said I wanted a civilized debate.

Nah!!! He didn't.
Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by Nobody: 11:48pm On Apr 24, 2017
chemystery:
OP these will answer your questions

I think I'd prefer if you made independent arguments rather that borrow lines from internet memes to respond to a question that was cleary addressed to Nairaland atheists, in order to get THEIR OPINIONS on a very slippery subject, and engage with these opinions through dialogue.

I want to know YOUR thoughts, not some words on trite memes that don't even address my question.
Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by chemystery: 11:52pm On Apr 24, 2017
Stewie101:


I think I'd prefer if you made independent arguments rather that borrow lines from internet memes to respond to a question that was cleary addressed to Nairaland atheists, in order to get THEIR OPINIONS on a very slippery subject, and engage with these opinions through dialogue.

I want to know your thoughts, not some words on trite memes that don't even address my question.
Sorry, those are my thoughts. There is no law that says two or more people cant share same thoughs. Maybe you would have taken it as my thought had it been i chose to type them instead of posting it as images...sorry my wrong sad

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Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by obinna58(m): 11:53pm On Apr 24, 2017
Another crazy thread, and the guy is hoping civilized discussion when he not even civilized.

Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by Nobody: 11:55pm On Apr 24, 2017
chemystery:

Sorry, those are my thoughts. There is no law that says two or more people cant share same thoughs. Maybe you would have taken it as my thought had it been i chose to type them instead of posting it as images...sorry my bad sad

Okay. Could you summarize these points in writing so that I can address them?
Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by philosophie: 11:55pm On Apr 24, 2017
mikezuruki:
You play chess very well?
yeah bro
Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by Nobody: 11:57pm On Apr 24, 2017
obinna58:
Another crazy thread, and the guy is hoping civilized discussion when he not even civilized.

What's your definition of civilized, and how does my behaviour not conform to that definition?
Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by chemystery: 12:03am On Apr 25, 2017
Stewie101:


Okay. Could you summarize these points in writing so that I can address them?
Those on the images, are they not writings? undecided
Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by Nobody: 12:09am On Apr 25, 2017
chemystery:

Those on the images, are they not writings? undecided

They are, and let me grant you that they are also your opinions on religion and morality, but they still don't respond to my question directly, and that's what I was hoping for you to do.

Why are you circumventing giving a direct response to my question?
Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by obinna58(m): 12:09am On Apr 25, 2017
Stewie101:


What's your definition of civilized, and how does my behaviour not conform to that definition?
My own definition of civilized (are u serious?)

Anyway to our question
Murder is wrong cool
Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by Nobody: 12:12am On Apr 25, 2017
obinna58:

My own definition of civilized (are u serious?)

Anyway to our question
Murder is wrong cool


Why is murder wrong?
Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by Nobody: 12:15am On Apr 25, 2017
philosophie:
yeah bro
Can see you are a corper. I am too. In delta state
Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by jonbellion(m): 12:46am On Apr 25, 2017
Murder is wrong
It's quite simple pure empathy alone would make that a highly untenable proposition and also not to mention you wasting the remainder of your short life in prison smiley
But mr OP done since you subscribe to divine command then murder isn't
actually wrong because it's wrong its only wrong cuz God... Pardon.. The abrahamic god says so. It is arbitrary and controlled by his preference. There are many times the abrahamic God approved of murder in the bible
-the flood
-Canaanite genocide
-murder of boys by bears
-Levites killing Israelites who worshipped the golden calf
All these were commanded and endorsed by the Abrahamic God
smiley
So if the Abrahamic God exists murder isn't actually wrong
Afterall he has an ultimately good divine plan na

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Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by Nobody: 1:06am On Apr 25, 2017
jonbellion:
Murder is wrong
It's quite simple pure empathy alone would make that a highly untenable proposition and also not to mention you wasting the remainder of your short life in prison smiley
But mr OP done since you subscribe to divine command then murder isn't
actually wrong because it's wrong its only wrong cuz God... Pardon.. The abrahamic god says so. It is arbitrary and controlled by his preference. There are many times the abrahamic God approved of murder in the bible
-the flood
-Canaanite genocide
-murder of boys by bears
-Levites killing Israelites who worshipped the golden calf
All these were commanded and endorsed by the Abrahamic God
smiley
So if the Abrahamic God exists murder isn't actually wrong
Afterall he has an ultimately good divine plan na

Lol. Where did I state that I was Christian?

So let's talk about empathy which seems to be the core of your main argument. Although empathy is a predominant trait among humans, it's also a trait that is expressed by humans in varying degrees. So there are people that express higher degrees of empathy than others. And there are also people who don't express any empathy at all, by dint of the wiring of their brains. Now, how then can you classify an action as wrong based on a trait that is expressed in varying degrees by some and not expressed in any degree by others? Is the moral obligation to not kill a responsibility of only those who express empathy? Do people who possess greater levels of empathy have a greater responsibility to not kill? Should people who don't express the trait of empathy have no moral obligation to not kill?

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Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by obinna58(m): 1:06am On Apr 25, 2017
Stewie101:


Why is murder wrong?
Lol
Why isn't murder wrong?

Anyway
Don't u think that atheists should be more afraid of murder, we have law that governs everybody, since atheist believes in no afterlife meaning their current life is all they get, so are they going to ruin their small lifetime in prison? They might even be killed, so u think they still gonna bet it huh undecided

Maybe u should direct this question to ur God who drown millions of innocent people cos few bad people, gave a man strength to kill thousands.


Or maybe out of hypocrisy u went ahead to ask useless questions, don't u read ur bible
Ecclesiastes 3:1-15
1 Everything that happens in this world happens at the time God chooses. 2 He sets the time for birth and the time for death, the time for planting and the time for pulling up, 3 the time for killing and the time for healing, the time for tearing down and the time for building. 4 He sets the time for sorrow and the time for joy, the time for mourning and the time for dancing, 5 the time for making love and the time for not making love, the time for kissing and the time for not kissing. 6 He sets the time for finding and the time for losing, the time for saving and the time for throwing away, 7 the time for tearing and the time for mending, the time for silence and the time for talk. 8 He sets the time for love and the time for hate, the time for war and the time for peace. 9 What do we gain from all our work? 10 I know the heavy burdens that God has laid on us. 11 He has set the right time for everything. He has given us a desire to know the future, but never gives us the satisfaction of fully understanding what he does. 12 So I realized that all we can do is be happy and do the best we can while we are still alive. 13 All of us should eat and drink and enjoy what we have worked for. It is God's gift. 14 I know that everything God does will last forever. You can't add anything to it or take anything away from it. And one thing God does is to make us stand in awe of him. 15 Whatever happens or can happen has already happened before. God makes the same thing happen again and again.


u don't even trust your God or maybe u still yet to know about ur God
Hypocrite.
Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by Nobody: 1:19am On Apr 25, 2017
obinna58:

Lol
Why isn't murder wrong?

Anyway
Don't u think that atheists should be more afraid of murder, we have law that governs everybody, since atheist believes in no afterlife meaning their current life is all they get, so are they going to ruin their small lifetime in prison? They might even be killed, so u think they still gonna bet it huh undecided

Maybe u should direct this question to our God who drown millions of innocent people cos few bad people, gave a man strength to kill thousands.


Or maybe out of hypocrisy u went ahead to ask useless questions, don't u read ur bible
Ecclesiastes 3:1-15
1 Everything that happens in this world happens at the time God chooses. 2 He sets the time for birth and the time for death, the time for planting and the time for pulling up, 3 the time for killing and the time for healing, the time for tearing down and the time for building. 4 He sets the time for sorrow and the time for joy, the time for mourning and the time for dancing, 5 the time for making love and the time for not making love, the time for kissing and the time for not kissing. 6 He sets the time for finding and the time for losing, the time for saving and the time for throwing away, 7 the time for tearing and the time for mending, the time for silence and the time for talk. 8 He sets the time for love and the time for hate, the time for war and the time for peace. 9 What do we gain from all our work? 10 I know the heavy burdens that God has laid on us. 11 He has set the right time for everything. He has given us a desire to know the future, but never gives us the satisfaction of fully understanding what he does. 12 So I realized that all we can do is be happy and do the best we can while we are still alive. 13 All of us should eat and drink and enjoy what we have worked for. It is God's gift. 14 I know that everything God does will last forever. You can't add anything to it or take anything away from it. And one thing God does is to make us stand in awe of him. 15 Whatever happens or can happen has already happened before. God makes the same thing happen again and again.


u don't even trust your God or maybe u still yet to know about ur God
Hypocrite.

I hate to break it to you but I don't believe in your God. He simply doesn't exist and there are a lot of rational arguments that substantiate my claim. I can present them to you but your inordinate level of credulity, and invulnerability to evidence and rational arguments is going to be a massive stumbling block to persuasion, so I am not even going to bother.

An extremely naive, fatuous and uncompelling response like yours is why I was specific on the crop of people I wanted to have this debate with.
Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by obinna58(m): 1:27am On Apr 25, 2017
Stewie101:


I hate to break it to you but I don't believe in your God. He simply doesn't exist and there are a lot of rational arguments that substantiate my claim. I can present them to you but your inordinate level of credulity, and invulnerability to evidence and rational arguments is going to be a massive stumbling block to persuasion, so I am not even going to bother.

An extremely naive, fatuous and uncompelling response like yours is why I was specific on the crop of people I wanted to have this debate with.
shocked
This made me wonder why u created this thread at first
Are a deist?
Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by Nobody: 1:29am On Apr 25, 2017
obinna58:

shocked
This made me wonder why u created this thread at first
Are a deist?

I am just a human being trying to make sense of the complex world I was born into.

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Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by jonbellion(m): 1:39am On Apr 25, 2017
Stewie101:


Lol. Where did I state that I was Christian?

So let's talk about empathy which seems to be the core of your main argument. Although empathy is a predominant trait among humans, it's also a trait that is expressed by humans in varying degrees. So there are people that express higher degrees of empathy than others. And there are also people who don't express any empathy at all, by dint of the wiring of their brains. Now, how then can you classify an action as wrong based on a trait that is expressed in varying degrees by some and not expressed in any degree by others? Is the moral obligation to not kill a responsibility of only those who express empathy? Do people who possess greater levels of empathy have a greater responsibility to not kill? Should people who don't express the trait of empathy have no moral obligation to not kill?
good point
I believe that's where secular laws come in
We have evolved quite a lot in morality a thousand years back slavery,human sacrifice etc was not considered wrong by many but today we have the United nations...ironically those things were when religion was at it's peak. Religions like Christianity have evolved to suit modern times as well unlike the other abrahamic religion "of peace" cheesy
Morality is a really complicated concept it's not all black and white like world religions paint it out to be
I personally feel that anything that males life pleasant to yourself and others does not cause sorrow pain or anguish to a human being can be considered as moral. Murder by this definition cannot be moral so people that don't have this trait will have to deal with the law smiley
Re: Atheists, Is The Act Of Committing Murder Wrong? by jonbellion(m): 1:39am On Apr 25, 2017
Are you a diest?

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