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Why Would An African Convert/remain A Muslim When The Quran Says The Following? by mmsen: 3:14pm On May 11, 2017
Ishaq:243 "I heard the Apostle say: 'Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!' He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks.... Allah sent down concerning him: 'To those who annoy the Prophet there is a painful doom." [9:61] "Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, 'If a black man comes to you his heart is more gross than a donkey's.'"

Ishaq:144 "A rock was put on a slave's chest. When Abu Bakr complained, they said, 'You are the one who corrupted him, so save him from his plight.' I will do so,' said Bakr. 'I have a black slave, tougher and stronger than Bilal, who is a heathen. I will exchange him. The transaction was carried out."

Qur'an 9:97 "The Arabs of the desert are the worst in unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger."

Tabari II:11 "Shem, the son of Noah was the father of the Arabs, the Persians, and the Greeks; Ham was the father of the Black Africans; and
Japheth was the father of the Turks and of Gog and Magog who were cousins of the Turks. Noah prayed that the prophets and apostles would be descended from Shem and kings would be from Japheth. He prayed that the African's color would change so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and Turks."

Tabari II:21 "Ham [Africans] begat all those who are black and curly-haired, while Japheth [Turks] begat all those who are full-faced with small eyes, and Shem [Arabs] begat everyone who is handsome of face with beautiful hair. Noah prayed that the hair of Ham's descendants would not grow beyond their ears, and that whenever his descendants met Shem's, the latter would enslave them."

Tabari IX:69 "Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah's helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in Allah's Cause. Killing him is a small matter to us."

Bukhari: V9B89N256 "Allah's Apostle said, 'You should listen to and obey your ruler even if he is a black African slave whose head looks like a raisin.'"

Ishaq:450 "It is your folly to fight the Apostle, for Allah's army is bound to disgrace you. We brought them to the pit. Hell was their meeting place. We collected them there, black slaves, men of no descent."

Ishaq:374 "The black troops and slaves of the Meccans cried out and the Muslims replied, 'Allah destroy your sight, you impious rascals.'"

Bukhari:V4B52N137 "The Prophet said, 'Let the negro slave of Dinar perish. And if he is pierced with a thorn, let him not find anyone to take it out for him.... If he [the black slave] asks for anything it shall not be granted, and if he needs intercession [to get into paradise], his intercession will be denied.'"

What is your reason for defending a book that has the above to say about you and yours?
Re: Why Would An African Convert/remain A Muslim When The Quran Says The Following? by MDsambo: 3:21pm On May 11, 2017
What an expensive bullshit.

1. The Ka'abah is black


2. The first person to call the adhan was black


3. Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) once said: "A white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good actions.

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Re: Why Would An African Convert/remain A Muslim When The Quran Says The Following? by mmsen: 3:37pm On May 11, 2017
MDsambo:
What an expensive bullshit.

1. The Ka'abah is black


2. The first person to call the adhan was black


3. Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) once said: "A white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good actions.

None of that negates what was said.

Why would the Quran say what was said if your third point was truly valid?
Re: Why Would An African Convert/remain A Muslim When The Quran Says The Following? by samfuntua: 3:50pm On May 11, 2017
1. MDsambo: Quote Post
What an expensive bullshit.

1. The Ka'abah is black


2. The first person to call the adhan was black


3. Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) once said: "A white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good actions.

provide empirical prove of point 3

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Re: Why Would An African Convert/remain A Muslim When The Quran Says The Following? by annunaki2(m): 3:53pm On May 11, 2017
mmsen:


None of that negates what was said.

Why would the Quran say what was said if your third point was truly valid?


Truth is that the quoran is full of contradictions, it is whatever is consistent for mohammed that. He spews in it depending on the circumstances.
Re: Why Would An African Convert/remain A Muslim When The Quran Says The Following? by obafemee80(m): 4:09pm On May 11, 2017
MDsambo:
What an expensive bullshit.

1. The Ka'abah is black


2. The first person to call the adhan was black


3. Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) once said: "A white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good actions.
Thank you

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Re: Why Would An African Convert/remain A Muslim When The Quran Says The Following? by iceboy4752(m): 4:55pm On May 11, 2017
Abu Bakar freed Bilaal Ibn Rabah from slavery after he saw him been inflicted with torments like the placing of rock you posted prior to Ibn Ishaq's account. Now after he freed Billal from the pagans who were his masters, he took good care of him and never treated him unfairly. Bilaal in fact fell in love with Islam till. he converted.
In fact, he was selected as the first Mu'azin(caller of prayers) in Islam. The Prophet never discriminated him because he was black and neither did the Muslims.
That's just point number 1 to refute your lies. grin

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Re: Why Would An African Convert/remain A Muslim When The Quran Says The Following? by iceboy4752(m): 5:04pm On May 11, 2017
Now, Oga Islamophobe observe this Hadith carefully and make sure you are with your brain while reading. grin

Volume 1, Book 8, Number 448:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

A black man or a black woman used to sweep the mosque and he or she died. The Prophet asked about her (or him). He was told that she (or he) had died. He said, "Why did you not inform me? Show me his grave (or her grave)." So he went to her (his) grave and offered her (his) funeral prayer."

Why will the Prophet offer funeral prayers to the people he despises so much? In fact funeral prayers are supposed to be observed for dead Muslims. If the blacks have no slot in Islam, then why the heck did he prayed for them?

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Re: Why Would An African Convert/remain A Muslim When The Quran Says The Following? by mmsen: 7:49pm On May 11, 2017
iceboy4752:
Abu Bakar freed Bilaal Ibn Rabah from slavery after he saw him been inflicted with torments like the placing of rock you posted prior to Ibn Ishaq's account. Now after he freed Billal from the pagans who were his masters, he took good care of him and never treated him unfairly. Bilaal in fact fell in love with Islam till. he converted.
In fact, he was selected as the first Mu'azin(caller of prayers) in Islam. The Prophet never discriminated him because he was black and neither did the Muslims.
That's just point number 1 to refute your lies. grin

What 'lies'? Those are quotes lifted directly from your special book.
Re: Why Would An African Convert/remain A Muslim When The Quran Says The Following? by ihustler(m): 8:05pm On May 11, 2017
Where art the Islamic zealots to explain all of these now.

LOL
Re: Why Would An African Convert/remain A Muslim When The Quran Says The Following? by iceboy4752(m): 9:53pm On May 11, 2017
mmsen:


What 'lies'? Those are quotes lifted directly from your special book.
Can't you refute what I said? Besides the original hagiography of Ibn Ishaq didn't survive.
Re: Why Would An African Convert/remain A Muslim When The Quran Says The Following? by iceboy4752(m): 9:53pm On May 11, 2017
mmsen:


What 'lies'? Those are quotes lifted directly from your special book.
Can't you refute what I said?
Re: Why Would An African Convert/remain A Muslim When The Quran Says The Following? by mmsen: 10:01pm On May 11, 2017
iceboy4752:

Can't you refute what I said? Besides the original hagiography of Ibn Ishaq didn't survive.

Are you admitting that the Quran has been altered and is imperfect?
Re: Why Would An African Convert/remain A Muslim When The Quran Says The Following? by iceboy4752(m): 10:10pm On May 11, 2017
mmsen:


Are you admitting that the Quran has been altered and is imperfect?
You see yourself?
Is Ibn Ishaq in anyway related to the Qur'an
Re: Why Would An African Convert/remain A Muslim When The Quran Says The Following? by mmsen: 10:14pm On May 11, 2017
iceboy4752:
You see yourself?
Is Ibn Ishaq in anyway related to the Qur'an

Why did you bring him up? Were you not admitting that the Quran is unverified jibberish? Is he not a historian? A recorder of facts?
Re: Why Would An African Convert/remain A Muslim When The Quran Says The Following? by iceboy4752(m): 10:17pm On May 11, 2017
mmsen:


Why did you bring him up unless you were admitting that the Quran is unverified jibberish?
Weren't you the one who said that the proofs are from our 'special books?' besides non of these events were recorded in the Qur'an but it Tafsirs alone. I can see that you're one of those who know nothing about Islam yet they keep wailing. grin
Re: Why Would An African Convert/remain A Muslim When The Quran Says The Following? by iceboy4752(m): 10:19pm On May 11, 2017
In fact, it's so ironical that you're even the OP. You posted Tafsirs thinking they are Suras from the Qur'an. Do you even know what a Sura is?grin

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Re: Why Would An African Convert/remain A Muslim When The Quran Says The Following? by mmsen: 10:20pm On May 11, 2017
iceboy4752:

Weren't you the one who said that the proofs are from our 'special books?' besides non of these events were recorded in the Qur'an but it Tafsirs alone. I can see that you're one of those who know nothing about Islam yet they keep wailing. grin

I've only quoted from the Qu'ran, you are bringing up other texts. Indirectly you are undermining the authority of the Qu'ran by admitting (implicitly) that is incomplete and faulty.
Re: Why Would An African Convert/remain A Muslim When The Quran Says The Following? by iceboy4752(m): 10:20pm On May 11, 2017
In fact, it's so ironical that you're even the OP. You posted Tafsirs thinking they are Suras from the Qur'an. Do you even know what a Sura is?grin
Oga you must be joking!
Re: Why Would An African Convert/remain A Muslim When The Quran Says The Following? by mmsen: 10:21pm On May 11, 2017
iceboy4752:
In fact, it's so ironical that you're even the OP. You posted Tafsirs thinking they are Suras from the Qur'an. Do you even know what a Sura is?grin
Oga you must be joking!

What difference does it make - is it not in the Qu'ran?

That is the foundation for the faith of the Muslims.
Re: Why Would An African Convert/remain A Muslim When The Quran Says The Following? by iceboy4752(m): 10:22pm On May 11, 2017
mmsen:


I've only quoted from the Qu'ran you are bringing up other texts. Indirectly you are undermining the authority of the Qu'ran by admitting, implicitly, that is incomplete and faulty.
So Bukhari, Tabari and Ibn Ishaq are all in the Qur'an. Is that your point?
Re: Why Would An African Convert/remain A Muslim When The Quran Says The Following? by mmsen: 10:23pm On May 11, 2017
iceboy4752:

So Bukhari, Tabari and Ibn Ishaq are all in the Qur'an. Is that your point?

The Hadith are no longer important in Islam? Is that what you are saying?

Are they no longer Islamic authors?
Re: Why Would An African Convert/remain A Muslim When The Quran Says The Following? by MDsambo: 11:11pm On May 11, 2017
obafemee80:
Thank you
You're welcome cool
Re: Why Would An African Convert/remain A Muslim When The Quran Says The Following? by islamStinks: 11:40pm On May 11, 2017
it has come to our notice a senseless question and answer spread by Muslims on social media its our turn to ask them fundamental questions.. design and share.

preach the gospel.. there is only one God and his begotten son Jesus.


1. who is Allah?
God.

2. who is God?
Allah.

3. who is Mohammed?
pbu s.a.w prophet.

4. who created him?
Allah.

5. who created Man?
Allah.

6. who instructed jihad?
Mohammed.

7. what is jihad?
killing of infidels

8. who created infidels?
Allah.

8. who are infidels?
non believers of Mohammed.

9.who is Mohammed?
prophet.

10. is Mohammed God?
no.

12. can Mohammed create a fly?
no.
Re: Why Would An African Convert/remain A Muslim When The Quran Says The Following? by Deicide: 3:12am On May 12, 2017
Because muslim heaven make sense die........Abeg who no want 72 virgins after hin die? undecided
Re: Why Would An African Convert/remain A Muslim When The Quran Says The Following? by udatso: 7:16am On May 13, 2017
iceboy4752:

So Bukhari, Tabari and Ibn Ishaq are all in the Qur'an. Is that your point?
Please ignore the fool. You don't waste time on someone who doesn't even know what are verses Of the Quran

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Re: Why Would An African Convert/remain A Muslim When The Quran Says The Following? by iceboy4752(m): 5:40pm On May 13, 2017
udatso:

Please ignore the fool. You don't waste time on someone who doesn't even know what are verses Of the Quran
thank you my brother. grin

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